Better to impose a cess of $10,000 per year on every Indian student who enrolls in Oxford university. This will go towards a national fund to promote universal brotherhood and equality in countries which have a history of racism.srin wrote:There is the nuclear option - stop banks from providing education loans to those wanting to study in Oxford - that I wish some private member can present as a bill in Parliament. Shouldn't pass - yet- but there should be a debate on it.
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we should have had EAMs like Jaishankar all along, instead of the useless namby pambys that we got stuck with, the colonoial stretcher bearers, the maculayputras and the brown sahibs who nostalgically gloried in the past splendour of the rajManish_P wrote:Well done.. About time we started playing the game as the big boys play
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@PantheraTigrisN :Kashi wrote:Look at the twitter feed, the sheer number of sepoys crawling out of their hidey holes with their chaddis in an almighty collective twist and getting schooled all over again.
@dhwaj99 :Aaye haaye.
Jo dard utha Goro ke liye.
Dekho, yahi woh chehre hain.
These hypocrites can't even listen one word against their Daddy UK.
This speech was a clear msg to UK parliamentarians not to poke their nose in Internal matters of India or else consequences be there.
Jyoti basu to yechuri to kavita krishnan all travel to UK every year without fail. UK interests need to be protected. Any exposure of UK racism, intolerance needs to be sabotaged.
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of course as a member of common "wealth" India is perfectly right in discussing racism where the defacto "head" of commonwealth is accused of racismchetak wrote:perfect payback would beRajeevK wrote:Here is the report in Times of India on the debate. UK MPs blast Indian government for failing to protect press
Meghnad Desai says instead of huffing and puffing in a "childish" way - at the UK, all India needs to do is to convene a session of Parliament and debate Harry & Meghan
game set and match, all while the britshits squeal impotently and tear their hair out
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https://www.dailypioneer.com/2021/top-s ... ities.html
Boris visiting India in April!!
Hmmm wonder if the Farmer isstruggle will be dragged on until then??
No sure of the dates but end of April: if so when are the result for five states due!!
For sure the results of these elections will have an impact on the reception organised by the LeLi/Woke/Jihad/Congi's
What are the main things we need to focus on this visit for signing:
RR deal??
Free trade agreement??
Indian student's access to work post masters without need for sponsor(I believe that has already changed if not may need looking at )
Any other defence deal?? what's the news with QEII twin ship I think Brits have only one carrier??
NHS work force especially doctors and nurses ( there has been a flood of middle eastern types filling up posts in the recent past and seems a deliberate ploy by the employers to recruits more of the peacefuls and I can say this from first hand experience in my hospital)
Anything else folks!!
Boris visiting India in April!!
Hmmm wonder if the Farmer isstruggle will be dragged on until then??
No sure of the dates but end of April: if so when are the result for five states due!!
For sure the results of these elections will have an impact on the reception organised by the LeLi/Woke/Jihad/Congi's
What are the main things we need to focus on this visit for signing:
RR deal??
Free trade agreement??
Indian student's access to work post masters without need for sponsor(I believe that has already changed if not may need looking at )
Any other defence deal?? what's the news with QEII twin ship I think Brits have only one carrier??
NHS work force especially doctors and nurses ( there has been a flood of middle eastern types filling up posts in the recent past and seems a deliberate ploy by the employers to recruits more of the peacefuls and I can say this from first hand experience in my hospital)
Anything else folks!!
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Don't think boris is interested in kanadian farmer protests.Rsatchi wrote:https://www.dailypioneer.com/2021/top-s ... ities.html
Boris visiting India in April!!
Hmmm wonder if the Farmer isstruggle will be dragged on until then??
No sure of the dates but end of April: if so when are the result for five states due!!
For sure the results of these elections will have an impact on the reception organised by the LeLi/Woke/Jihad/Congi's
What are the main things we need to focus on this visit for signing:
RR deal??
Free trade agreement??
Indian student's access to work post masters without need for sponsor(I believe that has already changed if not may need looking at )
Any other defence deal?? what's the news with QEII twin ship I think Brits have only one carrier??
NHS work force especially doctors and nurses ( there has been a flood of middle eastern types filling up posts in the recent past and seems a deliberate ploy by the employers to recruits more of the peacefuls and I can say this from first hand experience in my hospital)
Anything else folks!!
Purchase of QE class is a non starter despite the IN briefing on them. Perhaps a lease might
The POI of Boris meeting is trade trade trade. He would love a FTA but india is not going easy
The other one being R&R type up for aeroengines
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The anti farming reforms protest have nothing to do with any foreign powers at the moment. They are purely about excerciseing political power over an elected government.
If this elected government was going to fall in line it would have done so a long time ago. If they haven't done so they are not going to do it regardless of who is getting involved in the issue.
WRT, the UK government they are not going to get involved other than making cursory comments regarding democratic rights and law and order.
Something that we can live with.
If anyone is expecting more from them, they will sadly be disappointed.
If this elected government was going to fall in line it would have done so a long time ago. If they haven't done so they are not going to do it regardless of who is getting involved in the issue.
WRT, the UK government they are not going to get involved other than making cursory comments regarding democratic rights and law and order.
Something that we can live with.
If anyone is expecting more from them, they will sadly be disappointed.
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There are still many BIF entities backing the farmer's "agitation"Pratyush wrote:The anti farming reforms protest have nothing to do with any foreign powers at the moment. They are purely about excerciseing political power over an elected government.
If this elected government was going to fall in line it would have done so a long time ago. If they haven't done so they are not going to do it regardless of who is getting involved in the issue.
WRT, the UK government they are not going to get involved other than making cursory comments regarding democratic rights and law and order.
Something that we can live with.
If anyone is expecting more from them, they will sadly be disappointed.
It is far, far beyond the ken of a few piddly, illiterate arhtiyas and their mediocre political backers in punjab to sustain and coordinate the protests this long, especially given the logistics, funding and the international media management and the woke narrative.
If said "mediocre political backers" had any real ability or influence, they would be ruling the country instead of dribbling piss outside the Modi tent
greta thugberg and rihana either need to be paid off or explicitly given case by case permission to even speak on any topic. They are mere puppets with their masters safely hidden in the shadows
The britshit parliament discussions, India getting "downgraded" by "Freedom House" from 'Free' to 'Partly Free', the V-Dem ranking of countries calling India an "Elected Autocracy" are all manifestations of the same nasty narrative by demented wokes.
no call to consult unwashed commies about any reforms. They are irrelevant and almost invisible these days but desperately seeking the reflected limelight
BTW, WTF is 'Partly Free', what does it even mean, can someone be "slightly pregnant" or is 'Partly Free' only applicable to brown skinned Hindus and not to the fully paid up, card carrying, white skinned members of human race like the ever pontificating successors to the aryans or the nordic master race.
what the mafia parivar did since independence can be called "rigged elected autocracy", if the same yardstick were to be equally applied to them. We had blatant illegalities like the unelected NAC which over ruled the cabinet and none of these hypocritical white skinned wunderkind had anything to say about it, not then, and certainly not now.
The Indian parliament discussing racism in the UK has blindsided the britshits and no one there is in any shape to take on the very feisty and combative Jaishankar.
boris would not like his visit to be marred by the provable racism of the royal family meme and return empty handed like theresa may was forced to do.
So, dismissing something that is so very obviously staring us in the face is not only counterproductive but also downright dangerous.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56410532
UK to shift foreign policy focus following review
"The UK is pledging to shift its focus towards countries such as India, Japan and Australia, after a year-long review of its foreign policy.
The government said it would boost alliances in the Indo-Pacific region, describing it as "increasingly the geopolitical centre of the world"."
UK to shift foreign policy focus following review
"The UK is pledging to shift its focus towards countries such as India, Japan and Australia, after a year-long review of its foreign policy.
The government said it would boost alliances in the Indo-Pacific region, describing it as "increasingly the geopolitical centre of the world"."
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or is a case of empty coffers, brexit blowback and a much diminished britshit global polity that is now very hopefully reaching out to former colonials and and erstwhile enemies to buttress its once shining image that has almost faded into oblivion.Lisa wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56410532
UK to shift foreign policy focus following review
"The UK is pledging to shift its focus towards countries such as India, Japan and Australia, after a year-long review of its foreign policy.
The government said it would boost alliances in the Indo-Pacific region, describing it as "increasingly the geopolitical centre of the world"."
So, the moot question is, will boris quietly muzzle his own parliament and keep India out of new discussions or will boris be forced to listen to Jaishankar do some very plain speaking during his forthcoming India visit.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... TOIDesktop
UK police officer in court on kidnap, murder charges
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Yep.. Serving police officer on Diplomatic protection duties.. Also the vigil for the murdered person was broken up with violence by the Metropolitan police.. And also there is a bill going through parliament to impose prison sentences up to 10 years for those taking part in 'unauthorised protests'. Britain's descent into Fascism and authoritarianism continues..A Nandy wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... TOIDesktop
UK police officer in court on kidnap, murder charges
Cop arrested:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 17865.html
New bill:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 18118.html
Police Brutality:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/15/97748666 ... 5970639126
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Was looking at the size of the protesting crowd., an equivalent size in India would be literally a hundred times bigger !., no wonder they are in awe of the kanadian farmer protestsvrbarreto wrote:
New bill:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 18118.html
Police Brutality:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/15/97748666 ... 5970639126
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It's also worth noting that the same UK citizens didn't find that it was worth protesting against grooming gangs and UK institutions shielding these gangs.
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Most wanted Gujarat criminal Jayesh Patel of Jamnagar nabbed in London
https://www.deshgujarat.com/2021/03/17/ ... in-london/
https://www.deshgujarat.com/2021/03/17/ ... in-london/
India had asked UK to nab Ranpariya and sent related dossier with details of 42 offenses against him. Diplomatic channels were also activated to ensure success in nabbing this notorious mafia, whose assets are attached by India’s Enforcement Directorate.
Bringing Jayesh back to Gujarat will be a Herculean task for Police, because that will depend on local court’s decision in UK.
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Maybe Indians should., after all hooman rights are in question., a lifafa rag tag group can take a Sunday stroll to Brit embassy and have a bbc headline the same daydarshan wrote:It's also worth noting that the same UK citizens didn't find that it was worth protesting against grooming gangs and UK institutions shielding these gangs.
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Time to send a strong message to Britain
Time to send a strong message to Britain
Stuck in its colonial mindset, and often disrespectful of Indian sovereignty, London must get its India policy right
By Kanwal Sibal
MAR 16, 2021
Boris Johnson is regarded positively in India as one committed to expanded India-UK ties in mutual interest. Let us see what he can do to get rid of the debris that still clings to India-UK ties from Britain’s colonial past.
Britain’s hope after Brexit — to be a Global Britain, Global Broker, as outlined in a Chatham House report — reflects both its diminished status and its imperial nostalgia. Britain is assuming that its membership of the European Union (EU) constrained its global role, which it now can play, and that Britain has enough weight and credibility in the international system to mediate differences among countries and assist in finding solutions to vexed contemporary issues.
No doubt Britain is still a major power, but global economic and political power have steadily shifted towards Asia. Britain has limited political, economic or military weight in this area that is dominated by China, Japan, South Korea, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean), and, increasingly, India. On regional security issues that are now primary strategic concerns of the United States (US), whether in the South and East China Seas, North Korea, Taiwan, Indo-Pacific or Quad, Britain is a minor or absent player. China’s Hong Kong grab has also exposed the limits of Britain’s power.
Being a “Global Broker” goes beyond commissions for financial brokerages. Britain has to be seen as politically unbiased. In our region, it still bats for Pakistan because of an unshed historical attachment to that country. Its claimed superior understanding of Afghanistan from its imperial past has contributed to a befuddled US Afghan policy. Britain has always favoured accommodating the Taliban. All this has been at India’s expense, including its position on the Kashmir issue.
This reality goes beyond government and is reflected in its parliament, media and think-tanks. It allows demonstrations against our high commission in London by a combination of Sikh separatists and Kashmiri elements with the connivance of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Britain’s intelligence agencies are well aware of the background of the agitators but, despite our repeated official representations, these “peaceful protests” are permitted time and again for vote-bank politics and to maintain some heat on India on its internal affairs.
The recent debate in the British parliament on the farm protest shows why Britain’s status as “broker” will be suspect in India. Out of the 27 petitions presented for debate, many were more pressing but this petition was given priority. Human rights was chosen to justify the parliamentary discussion on the specious ground that this universal issue did not amount to foreign interference in India’s internal affairs. The statements of the Members of Parliament (MPs), barring one honourable exception, with large Sikh and Pakistanis in their constituencies, contain glaring factual distortions in which Jeremy Corbyn, a former Labour Party chief, excelled.
If individual parliamentarians need to nourish their constituencies even at the cost of their credibility beyond that circle, the British government, through its Minister of State for Asia, Nigel Adams, needed to act more responsibly in the interest of ties between India and the United Kingdom (UK). Instead, he welcomed the petition, endorsed the propaganda against the Indian government and did not correct the obvious distortions. He praised the offensive interventions of some MPs, failed to snub a Pakistani-origin MP who made outrageous remarks against Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and instead of roundly dismissing it, gave an equivocal response to an MP who spoke about evoking sanctions against India for human rights abuses. He patronisingly lectured India on abiding by its Constitution and international agreements, and spoke of serious and specific concerns that Britain will raise during Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s visit.
While paying lip service to the farm protests as Indian’s internal affair, Adam’s intervention attempted to carve out space for Britain as a “friend” to intrude into our internal matters. This is incongruous with British efforts to establish a new framework of ties with India post-Brexit.
The British high commissioner in Delhi was rightly summoned to lodge a protest but that may not be enough to close the matter. Some conclusions have to be drawn about the British mindset towards India that assumes that its provocations can be cost-free. Britain has become a safe haven for fugitives from Indian justice. Of the 23 requests for extraditions made over 26 years, only one individual wanted in one of 2002 Gujarat riot cases has been extradited, with others have sunk into the dark hole of Britain’s legal system.
Post-Brexit, Global Britain has to get its Asia policy right. For that, it has to get its India policy right. For it to be a credible Global Broker, honesty is a prerequisite. The parliamentary debate was an unwise move in the background of plans to launch a 10-year road map for expanded India-UK ties during Johnson’s visit to India. Raising the human rights issue with India is a double-edged sword given Britain’s own past and present record.
Johnson himself is regarded positively in India as one genuinely committed to expanded India-UK ties in mutual interest. Let us see what he can do to get rid of the debris that still clings to India-UK ties from Britain’s colonial past.
Kanwal Sibal is a former foreign secretary
The views expressed are personal
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -churchill
Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill?
Priyamvada Gopal, Wed 17 Mar 2021
Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side
A baleful silence attends one of the most talked-about figures in British history. You may enthuse endlessly about Winston Churchill “single-handedly” defeating Hitler. But mention his views on race or his colonial policies, and you’ll be instantly drowned in ferocious and orchestrated vitriol.
In a sea of fawningly reverential Churchill biographies, hardly any books seriously examine his documented racism. Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to complicate, let alone tarnish, the national myth of a flawless hero: an idol who “saved our civilisation”, as Boris Johnson claims, or “humanity as a whole”, as David Cameron did. Make an uncomfortable observation about his views on white supremacy and the likes of Piers Morgan will ask: “Why do you live in this country?”
Not everyone is content to be told to be quiet because they would be “speaking German” if not for Churchill. Many people want to know more about the historical figures they are required to admire uncritically. The Black Lives Matter protests last June – during which the word “racist” was sprayed in red letters on Churchill’s statue in Parliament Square, were accompanied by demands for more education on race, empire and the figures whose statues dot our landscapes.
Yet providing a fuller picture is made difficult. Scholars who explore less illustrious sides of Churchill are treated dismissively. Take the example of Churchill College, Cambridge, where I am a teaching fellow. In response to calls for fuller information about its founder, the college set up a series of events on Churchill, Empire and Race. I recently chaired the second of these, a panel discussion on “The Racial Consequences of Mr Churchill”.
Even before it took place, the discussion was repeatedly denounced in the tabloids and on social media as “idiotic”, a “character assassination” aimed at “trashing” the great man. Outraged letters to the college said this was academic freedom gone too far, and that the event should be cancelled. The speakers and I, all scholars and people of colour, were subjected to vicious hate mail, racist slurs and threats. We were accused of treason and slander. One correspondent warned that my name was being forwarded to the commanding officer of an RAF base near my home.
The college is now under heavy pressure to stop doing these events. After the recent panel, the rightwing thinktank Policy Exchange, which is influential in government circles – and claims to champion free speech and controversial views on campus – published a “review” of the event. The foreword, written by Churchill’s grandson Nicholas Soames, stated that he hoped the review would “prevent such an intellectually dishonest event from being organised at Churchill College in the future – and, one might hope, elsewhere”.
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Gautam
Why can't Britain handle the truth about Winston Churchill?
Priyamvada Gopal, Wed 17 Mar 2021
Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to tarnish the national myth – as I found when hosting a Cambridge debate about his murkier side
A baleful silence attends one of the most talked-about figures in British history. You may enthuse endlessly about Winston Churchill “single-handedly” defeating Hitler. But mention his views on race or his colonial policies, and you’ll be instantly drowned in ferocious and orchestrated vitriol.
In a sea of fawningly reverential Churchill biographies, hardly any books seriously examine his documented racism. Nothing, it seems, can be allowed to complicate, let alone tarnish, the national myth of a flawless hero: an idol who “saved our civilisation”, as Boris Johnson claims, or “humanity as a whole”, as David Cameron did. Make an uncomfortable observation about his views on white supremacy and the likes of Piers Morgan will ask: “Why do you live in this country?”
Not everyone is content to be told to be quiet because they would be “speaking German” if not for Churchill. Many people want to know more about the historical figures they are required to admire uncritically. The Black Lives Matter protests last June – during which the word “racist” was sprayed in red letters on Churchill’s statue in Parliament Square, were accompanied by demands for more education on race, empire and the figures whose statues dot our landscapes.
Yet providing a fuller picture is made difficult. Scholars who explore less illustrious sides of Churchill are treated dismissively. Take the example of Churchill College, Cambridge, where I am a teaching fellow. In response to calls for fuller information about its founder, the college set up a series of events on Churchill, Empire and Race. I recently chaired the second of these, a panel discussion on “The Racial Consequences of Mr Churchill”.
Even before it took place, the discussion was repeatedly denounced in the tabloids and on social media as “idiotic”, a “character assassination” aimed at “trashing” the great man. Outraged letters to the college said this was academic freedom gone too far, and that the event should be cancelled. The speakers and I, all scholars and people of colour, were subjected to vicious hate mail, racist slurs and threats. We were accused of treason and slander. One correspondent warned that my name was being forwarded to the commanding officer of an RAF base near my home.
The college is now under heavy pressure to stop doing these events. After the recent panel, the rightwing thinktank Policy Exchange, which is influential in government circles – and claims to champion free speech and controversial views on campus – published a “review” of the event. The foreword, written by Churchill’s grandson Nicholas Soames, stated that he hoped the review would “prevent such an intellectually dishonest event from being organised at Churchill College in the future – and, one might hope, elsewhere”.
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Gautam
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So this uber-wokenastha academic Priyamvada Gopal can write reams about Churchill's racism without a word about his part in creating famine and the death of millions of Indians? Such touching empathy for Indian lives from the UK wokes. This Priyamvada Gopal was elevated to professorhood recently due to her skillful use of woke-victim-card politics, and her wokeness is exemplary. Like many other anti-India losers outside India, she is the product of India's nehruvian bureaucracy (with an IFS lineage), and the irony is that she teaches and researches "decolonization" at Oxford, and she has done this while exhibiting all signs of a colonized-coolie Indian minds.
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In the article Priyamvada did mention about Bengal Famine. Rest you are right, she is the uber-woke but still colonized-coolie Indian mind.
There is a new guy in town from oxford, Abhijit Sarkar, (responsible for Rashmi Sawant issue) who is ultra-woke radical academic. He is countering Priyamvada's Churchill attack by his new article with a narrative of communal angle in the Bengal famine issue spewing venom.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 303041B830
There is a new guy in town from oxford, Abhijit Sarkar, (responsible for Rashmi Sawant issue) who is ultra-woke radical academic. He is countering Priyamvada's Churchill attack by his new article with a narrative of communal angle in the Bengal famine issue spewing venom.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 303041B830
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Apart from Churchill's role in the Bengal famine, there is also the little matter of his rant against Indians "I hate Indians, they are a beastly people with a beastly religion" Interestingly, even those woke Indians who do refer to this gratuitously racist remark, fail to acknowledge which religion he is referring to! It's Hinduism all the way, it's not Islam, Sikhism, Christianity or Zoroastrianism. So by concealing what he is really talking about, the wokes are contributing to the denial of the existence of Hinduphobia. Because recognising that, would complicate matters in the single tracked effort to keep the spotlight on Islamophobia and anti-Black racism.
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It was not only Bengal famine but accross Southern and Eastern India, many food stores were confiscated and mainly supplied to the Soviets via Iran otherwise the Germans could have won after they got Ukraine.
They only spared thier "loyal Martial Race" - i.e the Punjabi Muslim.
They only spared thier "loyal Martial Race" - i.e the Punjabi Muslim.
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So not only did the Brits get a lot of Indians involved in a war between colonial powers, they also killed millions of already impoverished civilians by appropriating their entire food product. Maybe UK under the Germans would not have been so bad after all -- would have given them first-hand experience of being colonized, something the ex-colonial countries are yet to experience.
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Seems the British govt have found a new boogeyman for their incompetence ... Now coming out with statements that their vaccine delays is due to India holding up supplies to due to "vaccine nationalism " , If you listen to Boris and co First it was the Americans hoarding , then the EU now the Indians
Of course all the tabloids and rags have jumped at the opportunity to write pointless articles and the common idiots have now risen complaining about the non-existent "aid " that India receives ,Apparently they seem to think India's budget is like 75% UK aid .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctory.html
Of course all the tabloids and rags have jumped at the opportunity to write pointless articles and the common idiots have now risen complaining about the non-existent "aid " that India receives ,Apparently they seem to think India's budget is like 75% UK aid .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctory.html
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Please stop beating on Churchill's bloated pallid carc/ass.
He was a product of his culture: the Christian has a certain world view, much as our friend in Alabama was doing god's work, Churchill was doing his best. Of course whether his best was responsible for victory in the war is a matter of debate by some sour Russians I know.
Naturally primitive people's have a need for deifying their heroes.
He was a product of his culture: the Christian has a certain world view, much as our friend in Alabama was doing god's work, Churchill was doing his best. Of course whether his best was responsible for victory in the war is a matter of debate by some sour Russians I know.
Naturally primitive people's have a need for deifying their heroes.
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Yeah na I don't agree with that at all , Churchill was certainly doing his best to defeat Hitler but there's lot more to him beyond 1939-1945 . his views are anything but "a product of his time /upbringing " , There were several others high up in the British govt who not only disagreed with him but fought to contain his mad empire building shenanigans .sanjaykumar wrote:Please stop beating on Churchill's bloated pallid carc/ass.
He was a product of his culture: the Christian has a certain world view, much as our friend in Alabama was doing god's work, Churchill was doing his best. Of course whether his best was responsible for victory in the war is a matter of debate by some sour Russians I know.
Naturally primitive people's have a need for deifying their heroes.
He was strongly against Govt of India act in 1935 , strongly for partitioning India , strongly for gaining control of oil by destabilizing the ME and spouted off nonsense such as " “I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
His bloated **** should be beaten for such decisions which have caused unstability ,war and ruin for decades to come .
Besides we (modern society ) can discuss what were the many incorrect decisions Gandhi,Nehru etc did in getting India independent , We can discuss the failings of Stalin and Mao , We can discuss the the many many wrong calls American presidents made then why should Churchill not be held to the same standards .
Simply saying the "Christian world has these kind of views" gets us nowhere , Its important to keep reminding the British that while we prefer to look forward rather than backwards we haven't yet forgotten and we won't ever forget those years .
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AkshaySG wrote:Seems the British govt have found a new boogeyman for their incompetence ... Now coming out with statements that their vaccine delays is due to India holding up supplies to due to "vaccine nationalism " , If you listen to Boris and co First it was the Americans hoarding , then the EU now the Indians
Of course all the tabloids and rags have jumped at the opportunity to write pointless articles and the common idiots have now risen complaining about the non-existent "aid " that India receives ,Apparently they seem to think India's budget is like 75% UK aid .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctory.html
A great injustice has been done. India is prioritizing Indians for things produced in India, instead of letting Britain loot India produced things for Britain's benefit.
I sympathize with the British, this must be a shocker for them.
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meanwhile somewhere "under" the sun
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctory.html
BATMOBILE-driving Indian CEO of vaccine producer meant to be supplying UK says countries hoarding ingredients has slowed production - while Delhi wants to target surging second wave
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctory.html
BATMOBILE-driving Indian CEO of vaccine producer meant to be supplying UK says countries hoarding ingredients has slowed production - while Delhi wants to target surging second wave
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Please don't post stuff like that without a link to a corresponding article.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Just as posting links to Pakistani newspapers and blogs is banned outside of certain threads, the time has come to do the same regarding rags such as daily Mail and the Sun.
Pakis and the above magazines have the same standards...
Pakis and the above magazines have the same standards...
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
UK's supply is delayed because of the restrictions on the supply of raw materials from US by Biden administration.
This is nothing but big business. A US jab costs $18 each while AZ costs only around $2. Restrict that, and US vaccine makers get a bumper.
This is nothing but big business. A US jab costs $18 each while AZ costs only around $2. Restrict that, and US vaccine makers get a bumper.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
To a certain extent yes their credibility is next to nothing when it comes to accurate reporting but papers such as DM ,Express etc are also the mouthpieces of the current conservative govt and Royal Family ,in the same way Fox is for Repubs in US .So you get an idea of what narrative the govt wants to push to the public when you look at the headlines .Tanaji wrote:Just as posting links to Pakistani newspapers and blogs is banned outside of certain threads, the time has come to do the same regarding rags such as daily Mail and the Sun.
Pakis and the above magazines have the same standards...
Yesterday they were getting grilled on vaccine delay and today these papers start churning out articles on India , Cyrus etc etc hoarding vaccines
The reporting is inaccurate but if this is the narrative Boris is pushing then we should be aware of it
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Speaking of vaccines, this is a great video:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56261397
48.9% of UK adults had received a first dose by 17 March, so the UK Government cannot complain about delays in supplies:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56261397
48.9% of UK adults had received a first dose by 17 March, so the UK Government cannot complain about delays in supplies:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Which UK paper has standards??Tanaji wrote:Just as posting links to Pakistani newspapers and blogs is banned outside of certain threads, the time has come to do the same regarding rags such as daily Mail and the Sun.
Pakis and the above magazines have the same standards...
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
What exactly is wrong with speaking German? Millions of Germans, Austrians, Swiss folks do it every day. Is it wrong for people in the UK to speak German? If so, why?Not everyone is content to be told to be quiet because they would be “speaking German” if not for Churchill.
Would it be okay if the German speaking folks were forced to speak English instead?
Or is the objection only to the fact that the language is being imposed on a population against their will? If the population were okay with speaking German (given that their royal family anyway is from the house of Hanover), would that be okay? German is after all the precursor of English. Platt Deutsch (low German) is what we know as "English" today.
If languages should not be imposed on some other population, then why do the Brits proudly claim that they brought English to India? In fact, on this forum, we type in English all the time. It might be a choice which Indians make now. It wasn't back then. Nor was Persian or Arabic imposed benignly, for that matter. A colonial power imposing its language on a population, to which that language is alien, is seen as good. The Germans imposing Hoch Deutsch (high German) on speakers of Platt Deutsch (low German=English) is bad. No explanation or elaboration is offered as to exactly *why* it is bad. It just is.
Also to mention - the English have in the past tried to wipe the language of the Scotts off the face of the earth and replace it with English. And civilizing the natives of the Americas and Australia by imposing English on them would fall in the same category.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
^^^^^^^
@sudarshan ji
By speaking german, they mean that the germans would have forcefully imposed their will, language, as well as, their culture upon them, had the britshits lost the war.
and for their "great victory", the lying britshits credit the seldom sober drunk and alcoholic churchill, forgetting, of course, the almost two and a half million Indian soldiers who fought for the allies, and they undoubtedly saved the britshit's bacon.
There is not any mention today of the contributions of these almost two and a half million hapless Indian soldiers who fought for the crown and the many who died to save the white unwashed britshit backsides. They fought a fight in which they had no dog and nothing to gain because of the "agreement" that was made by that stretcher bearer of the britshit empire and his wilfully complicit disciple in crime, neverwho
nor did the ungrateful churchill ever mention the contributions/sacrifices of these valiant Indian soldiers and the decisive part that they played in saving the corpulent, alcohol soaked butt of this great colonial icon.
and that sirji, is the real tragedy.
@sudarshan ji
By speaking german, they mean that the germans would have forcefully imposed their will, language, as well as, their culture upon them, had the britshits lost the war.
and for their "great victory", the lying britshits credit the seldom sober drunk and alcoholic churchill, forgetting, of course, the almost two and a half million Indian soldiers who fought for the allies, and they undoubtedly saved the britshit's bacon.
There is not any mention today of the contributions of these almost two and a half million hapless Indian soldiers who fought for the crown and the many who died to save the white unwashed britshit backsides. They fought a fight in which they had no dog and nothing to gain because of the "agreement" that was made by that stretcher bearer of the britshit empire and his wilfully complicit disciple in crime, neverwho
nor did the ungrateful churchill ever mention the contributions/sacrifices of these valiant Indian soldiers and the decisive part that they played in saving the corpulent, alcohol soaked butt of this great colonial icon.
and that sirji, is the real tragedy.
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Of course ji, no disagreement. I was coming at it from the angle of psyops. When a Brit credits Churchill with saving their race from having the German will, language, and culture imposed on them, the obvious retort of an Indian would be - "yes, unfortunately that didn't happen in India, which is why I'm speaking English today - but we will go back to our roots, don't worry." Which means that there is tacit understanding that if India were to go "nationalistic" that would be a good thing. So what's wrong with "Hindu nationalism" then?chetak wrote:^^^^^^^
@sudarshan ji
By speaking german, they mean that the germans would have forcefully imposed their will, language, as well as, their culture upon them, had the britshits lost the war.
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As you rightly point out, Churchill didn't save the Brits from speaking German, 2.5 million Indian soldiers did. That should also enter the conversation.
There's multiple ways to skin a Brit. Their extended pretensions have ensured that they have many vulnerabilities.
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Western commentators and historians have always given too much credit to the British for defeating the Germans anyway. The Russians deserve far more credit for that than the British. Germany's first and biggest defeats were on the Eastern Front. The Russians were fighting them continuously from 41 to 45 while the British were mostly twiddling their thumbs after the defeat in the Battle of France and the failed German aerial offensive over Britain. The only fighting they did was in North Africa and plenty of Indian soldiers fought in those battles. Meanwhile, German defeats at Stalingrad and Kursk (largest tank battle of all time) happened in 1943. The Russians literally chased them all the way from Moscow to Berlin fighting continuously over the entire front. Stalin did not leave Moscow even when the Germans were nearly within sight of the city and the Red Army had lost every battle till then.
Even when the Western front finally became hot, it was the industrial and military might of the US that saved the day (and indeed made the Normandy landings possible in the first place). Churchill had a great talent of making speeches and improving morale (and carrying out genocides of brown people) but all that would have been useless if the Americans hadn't come in and if the Russians hadn't broken the back of the Wehrmacht in the east. The Americans saved their bacon in the Pacific too by beating the Japanese.
Even when the Western front finally became hot, it was the industrial and military might of the US that saved the day (and indeed made the Normandy landings possible in the first place). Churchill had a great talent of making speeches and improving morale (and carrying out genocides of brown people) but all that would have been useless if the Americans hadn't come in and if the Russians hadn't broken the back of the Wehrmacht in the east. The Americans saved their bacon in the Pacific too by beating the Japanese.
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and they always talk big about a few aussies, new zealanders, canadians and such like who fought in WWII.nachiket wrote:Western commentators and historians have always given too much credit to the British for defeating the Germans anyway. The Russians deserve far more credit for that than the British. Germany's first and biggest defeats were on the Eastern Front. The Russians were fighting them continuously from 41 to 45 while the British were mostly twiddling their thumbs after the defeat in the Battle of France and the failed German aerial offensive over Britain. The only fighting they did was in North Africa and plenty of Indian soldiers fought in those battles. Meanwhile, German defeats at Stalingrad and Kursk (largest tank battle of all time) happened in 1943.
Even when the Western front finally became hot, it was the industrial and military might of the US that saved the day (and indeed made the Normandy landings possible in the first place). Churchill had a great talent of making speeches and improving morale (and carrying out genocides of brown people) but all that would have been useless if the Americans hadn't come in and if the Russians hadn't broken the back of the Wehrmacht in the east. The Americans saved their bacon in the Pacific too by beating the Japanese.
racist rogues
the true face of the germans was only seen by the russians and they paid the germans back in the same coin when they finally entered germany after decimating the wehrmacht
civilizational traits and military muscle memory of the germans and the japs are currently dormant but for how long, no one can say.
One expects that the germans and the japs will rise again one day.
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wat ... union-jack
outrage in UK after BBC disrespects Union Jack. Guests after guests on other channels seething regarding how BBC has become adda of wokes, #DefundtheBBC is trending.
outrage in UK after BBC disrespects Union Jack. Guests after guests on other channels seething regarding how BBC has become adda of wokes, #DefundtheBBC is trending.