Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

[Manish_P]

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I wonder why these MRAP assets were not irreparably disabled by the US or destroyed with a bit of strategically placed C4.

These beasts also consume prodigious amounts of fuel with their 6-7 liters, and often super charged, cummins or caterpillar diesel engines.
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A scorpion MRAP can cost between 500K to 1 million$ depending on how it has been outfitted.

It simply doesn't compute how so many apparently undamaged top of the line military vehicles could have "fallen" into the hands of the taliban.

A retreating army always destroys its own assets that it has been forced to leave behind. Something is not right....

Possibly as a bribe to the paki fauj (along with the light attack Aircraft and the Helos) to keep their Tali hounds on a leash to ensure the safe evacuation of the last of the US personnel...

[Jarita]

21 million - 40 million
That is the increase in population in Afghanistan through the US occupation. With the toxic education/ fanaticism, where else will this surplus population go. Along with the infrastructure, there should have been a focus on female empowerment and birth control. There is a fresh new population who has not experience Mujahideen or Taliban and will be food for them.

[Sicanta]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 340907.cms

According to reports, Afghan president Ashraf Ghani will resign within hours and relinquish power to the Taliban, and Ali Ahmad Jalali, US-based academic, is reportedly tapped to head an interim Afghan administration. Earlier, a Taliban spokesman said that the militants are 'awaiting a peaceful transfer of Kabul city' after they entered the capital's outskirts. Suhail Shaheen made the comment to Qatar's Al-Jazeera English satellite news channel. He declined to offer specifics on any possible negotiations between his forces and the government.

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https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/bu ... n-advances

Political solution in Afghanistan 'more urgent than ever': NATO

[nam]

The only silver lining in this mess is Pak will loose leverage over US and our lot in GoI will be forced to prepare for delusion Pak yahoo targeting us thinking they are invincible.

[rsingh]

Erdogan is batting for Bakistan for stability of Afganistan .

[Ambar]

It is official, Ashraf Ghani after vowing to fight on in Kabul has resigned is believed to have already left Afghanistan. In a way i am glad he decided this course because he would have otherwise ended up like Najibullah.

Need to watch what happens next with Qatar-Turkey-Iran-Russia-China-Pakistan, they are emboldened now after Afghanistan .

[g.sarkar]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/15/taliban ... abul-.html
Taliban enter Afghan capital as U.S. forces evacuate diplomats
Amanda Macias, Natasha Turak, Aug 15 2021
WASHINGTON — Taliban fighters began entering the Afghan capital of Kabul on Sunday, the last city to have been thus far spared takeover by the militants amid their rapid sweep of the country in the wake of U.S. forces departing.
A Taliban spokesperson said the fighters intended to negotiate a “peaceful surrender” of the city.
“Until a peace agreement is agreed, the security of the city and its residents is the responsibility of the government and they should guarantee it,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said in a statement.
Two U.S. defense officials confirmed to NBC News that the Taliban also seized Bagram Air Base, a development that comes less than two months after the U.S. military handed over the once-stalwart airbase to the Afghan National Security and Defense Force.
The group began emptying out Parwan prison there which has an estimated 5,000 to 7,000 prisoners, including hardened Taliban and al Qaeda fighters, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
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Gautam

[SRajesh]

Russia calling for UNSC meeting over Afghanistan
Interesting how this will pan out : India holds the chair and refused to entertain Paxtan presence in the last meet.
Now What will the Turd+Gin+Dim+Alpha Dog group do
They cant block India from the UNSC Meet!!
Any killings probably will start after Bunnies fully take over
There will probably a complete ban on the social media in the interim and no uploading of any atrocities videos from the provincial cities.
On BBC talk shows rumours of girls/women turned back from Universities and schools already started in the Provincial towns!!

[AshishA]

I think many of the Taliban might be Paki army in disguise or paki irregulars. And I don't understand at such a critical time why do we have a cease-fire with Pakis?

[Mort Walker]

Commercial aviation safety of flying over Afghan airspace is going to affect India. Flights coming in from the west will now need to pass through the Gulf into the Arabian Sea.

AI243 had to shut off radar in the event it was targeted during approach to Kabul to evacuate Indian nationals. Kabul air traffic control has become non existent.

[Pratyush]

I hope that none of the Indian people remain now in Afghanistan.

I feel bad for the Afghan women. All the hopes and dreams that women were able to build have now turned to dust.

The blame has to go to the Americans for failure to build a fighting force that could not even fight for 3 weeks.

Pakistan has won for now.

[Pratyush]

The Americans are denying that this is a repeat of Siagon. They are right.

This is worst than Siagon. In Siagon the North Vietnamese army took over. Here a rag tag militia has defeated the world's most powerful country. With just a little help from TSP.

The best part is that the Americans bribed Pakistan to achieve this end.

[Ambar]

I hope that none of the Indian people remain now in Afghanistan.

I feel bad for the Afghan women. All the hopes and dreams that women were able to build have now turned to dust.

The blame has to go to the Americans for failure to build a fighting force that could not even fight for 3 weeks.

Pakistan has won for now.

Despite the relative "peace" of the last 20 yrs, many educated Afghanis have been leaving the country for greener pastures in US, Canada or Europe over the years, so there arent many who'll be left behind. Remember something like 85% of Afghanistan lives in rural, tribal villages, so for the women folk there life goes on and it makes little difference to them which flag the local warlord decides to fly on Friday morning.

I do sometimes wonder if the barbarian cavemen had 2 functioning greycells they can out to pakis in pakisness. Just install some acceptable "moderate" face as the new President, act like a normal nation, get billions in aid from countries around the world for "gender studies, women development, vaccination etc" and open pizza franchises abroad.

[SinghS]

The Americans are denying that this is a repeat of Siagon. They are right.

This is worst than Siagon. In Siagon the North Vietnamese army took over. Here a rag tag militia has defeated the world's most powerful country. With just a little help from TSP.

The best part is that the Americans bribed Pakistan to achieve this end.

Americans did not lose. They never fought any war in Afghanistan. They were there to punish for 9-11 and prevent repeat of such events in future. That objective is achieved. Taliban learnt the lesson by being out of power for 20 years.

Stability in Afghanistan is not their concern. Extended presence in Afghanistan hampers their further future actions and is an unnecessary drain on resources. Americans don't care a bit whether Afghanis slaughter each other as long as it doesn't affect them.

[SinghS]

The most dangerous aspect for India is that now we are surrounded by Russia-Iran-Qatar-Afghanistan-Turkey-Pakistan-China-Nepal-Bangladesh-Srilanka-Maldives...an Islamic commie nexus. Doesn't bode well for us, unless we spend enough on military preparedness and indigenization. We also need to discover fault lines in this nexus and show political maturity and resolve to exploit it.

The other thing we need to do with lightning speed is fix our corrupt police and clear the poisonous BIF gang from our society.

[Mort Walker]

The Americans own this mess. Over a $1 trillion on Afghanistan and several hundred billion on TSP in less than 20 years. Massive carpet bombing was the only solution after the failed Doha agreement.

[Jarita]

I hope that none of the Indian people remain now in Afghanistan.

I feel bad for the Afghan women. All the hopes and dreams that women were able to build have now turned to dust.

The blame has to go to the Americans for failure to build a fighting force that could not even fight for 3 weeks.

Pakistan has won for now.

Couple of thoughts here -
1) One does not feel bad for Afghan women. They are part and parcel of this. Yes there is a section that was educated and wanted to move on but 20 years is a long enough time to make a change. If you still profess to follow the fundamentalist pillars of a group, then you cannot hunt with the hounds and run with the hares. The society will always come back to it's true north. Beyond a few schools and some minor legislation, one did not see much structural change towards female empowerment. Read about what the Afghan women did to Soviet soldiers. I can't write that here.
2) Don't blame the Americans too soon. They might end up being beneficiaries of this from a business and resource perspective.
3) The Indian government (successive governments) did the best they good. I see people bringing them up and claiming they could have acted more. But truly the Indian government did everything short of putting boots to the ground - which would have been catastrophic for us. Beyond a point, we are dealing with such a distorted philosophy that it keeps coming back to it's true north.

[Jarita]

The most dangerous aspect for India is that now we are surrounded by Russia-Iran-Qatar-Afghanistan-Turkey-Pakistan-China-Nepal-Bangladesh-Srilanka-Maldives...an Islamic commie nexus. Doesn't bode well for us, unless we spend enough on military preparedness and indigenization. We also need to discover fault lines in this nexus and show political maturity and resolve to exploit it.

The other thing we need to do with lightning speed is fix our corrupt police and clear the poisonous BIF gang from our society.

We were always surrounded by them. Things were much worse earlier and we are much better off now.
However, our weakness is BIF gang which has further fermented because of our distorted and messed up education system.

[SinghS]

God save the world if Taliban gets hold of nuclear weapons from the usual rouges : Pak-China-North Korea.

[Jarita]

The Americans own this mess. Over a $1 trillion on Afghanistan and several hundred billion on TSP in less than 20 years. Massive carpet bombing was the only solution after the failed Doha agreement.

What if, just what if and this is hypothetically speaking - The Chinese start mining aggressively in Afghanistan (After all the Taliban thinks the chinese are good) and start selling goods manufactured in China (through American factories) into Afghanistan. Say rare earths are mined and shipped to Chinese factories (owned by wall street) and then Tesla cars are sold in Afghanistan. This is just a hypothetical scenario, amongst many scenarios. Who would be the net beneficiaries? There is a nation state and there is the economic state.

See what the Taliban has to say about China

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/tal ... 021-08-14/

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/10277565 ... -interests

We just heard about how the Taliban is making quick advances throughout Afghanistan. And now there's growing dismay about what will happen if the militant group gains control of the country once the U.S. and NATO allies leave at the end of this month. But China views it differently and is reaching out and trying to consolidate its relationship with the Taliban. NPR's Jackie Northam reports.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 295588.cms

Afghan Taliban says it sees China as a 'friend', promises not to host Uyghur militants from Xinjiang: Report

[Narad]

Afghan president leaves Afghanistan as Taliban enters Kabul

[chetak]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/15/taliban ... abul-.html
Taliban enter Afghan capital as U.S. forces evacuate diplomats
Amanda Macias, Natasha Turak, Aug 15 2021
WASHINGTON — Taliban fighters began entering the Afghan capital of Kabul on Sunday, the last city to have been thus far spared takeover by the militants amid their rapid sweep of the country in the wake of U.S. forces departing.
A Taliban spokesperson said the fighters intended to negotiate a “peaceful surrender” of the city.
“Until a peace agreement is agreed, the security of the city and its residents is the responsibility of the government and they should guarantee it,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said in a statement.
Two U.S. defense officials confirmed to NBC News that the Taliban also seized Bagram Air Base, a development that comes less than two months after the U.S. military handed over the once-stalwart airbase to the Afghan National Security and Defense Force.
The group began emptying out Parwan prison there which has an estimated 5,000 to 7,000 prisoners, including hardened Taliban and al Qaeda fighters, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
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Gautam

no wonder that many gora jokers want India to intervene and put Indian boots on afghan ground.

what a joke the ANA has been and all the arms given given to them will soon end up in taliban hands as will many of the ANA soldiers who will switch sides, provided they are from some acceptable tribe or clan or ethnicity.

this is what the wokes and the commies wanted in amerika and they have gotten biden to do it for them.

As for senile uncle joe, one wonders if he even knows what is happening. black baptist mylapore maami seems to be very quiet and she won't risk getting in the way of the runaway train wreck that the US administration is fast becoming.

one wonders what the ameriki generals have to say about all this monumental fiasco and massive loss of face that has happened on their watch, especially after the US agencies have collectively poured trillions of dollars into a jehadi black hole for over twenty years and in the end have nothing to show for it.

the amerikis should have bombed the hell out of the taliban when they were out in the open. The taliban's encircling lightening sprint to capture cities and block off the border means that they didn't want to be caught out on open ground or leave themselves open to an attack from outside

uncle joe will not continue for too long now, and when he steps down/is removed on medical grounds the real contours of the game may emerge and the head of the snake might appear.

is there a regime change being engineered in amrika by the same forces that forced trump out of office.

just asking onlee

[SinghS]

America is no longer the superpower, neither is China. America needs its resources and peace to have a better chance at the geopolitical chess-board and regain number one spot. America's current situation is like Aurangzeb's period. You are strong yet you can't win decisively and impose your will.

We have to watch keenly how Europeans align in future, when they are being Islamized at an unprecedented pace and don't see America having common societal goals.

[kit]

The Americans own this mess. Over a $1 trillion on Afghanistan and several hundred billion on TSP in less than 20 years. Massive carpet bombing was the only solution after the failed Doha agreement.

Promises are worth nothing in geopolitics.

What happened to we don't negotiate with terrorists

Next goal talibunnies with nukes..soon they are gonna take over central Asia

[chetak]

God save the world if Taliban gets hold of nuclear weapons from the usual rouges : Pak-China-North Korea.

The US + NATO have contingencies to cover just this aspect. They have been tracking the movements of the paki nukes for sure and will know where they are at any given moment.

Israel will also be clued up since they will become one of the primary targets in the event of a paki collapse.

The US + NATO will have no option but to read in India since India will probably be the first off the block due to distance and time imperatives

[chetak]

America is no longer the superpower, neither is China. America needs its resources and peace to have a better chance at the geopolitical chess-board and regain number one spot. America's current situation is like Aurangzeb's period. You are strong yet you can't win decisively and impose your will.

We have to watch keenly how Europeans align in future, when they are being Islamized at an unprecedented pace and don't see America having common societal goals.

the jehadis are still very far from govt formation anywhere in europe.

It will become the age old crusade type of situation with one abrahamic ganging up against the other. The whites will maintain numerical superiority for quite some time to come.

They are already slowing down the migration of jehadis using legalities.

In the US, monsters like AOC, ilhan omar have been created because the US has foolishly allowed concentration and consolidation of jehad enclaves and huge multi county ghettoes that have spawned ethnic vote banks that enabled the voting in of such venomous snakes

[Ambar]

Talibunnies with nukes ? Although there's literally zero chance of that ever happening , if it does happen then why worry ? Between 2003-2012 or so when Af-Pak was looking like it will imminently collapse, we on this forum discussed about such an eventuality and how it is a much more desirable outcome compared to the single malt scotch drinking, cigar smoking, pizza chain owning taliban generals who are in control of pindi today. The taliban just like their levantine ISIS brethren are showing the true face of cult without any window dressing, it takes away " we are a religion of peace " smoking mirror to hide the crimes against humanity. It is far better to have such barbarians without masks in control of Pakistan than the current RAPEs barbarians with masks in the their saville row suits.

[SinghS]

The US + NATO will have no option but to read in India since India will probably be the first off the block due to distance and time imperatives

Did we do that in case of Pakis, like what Israel did for Arabs? Did NATO do it in case of Arabs? We are not Israel either politically or societally. If UPA or a Khichdi is in power this option can be safely assumed to be non-existent.

[Ambar]

For those of you who are yet to be banned/blocked by Twitter/Insta, do your bit and tweet about Pakis duplicity, its the least we can do.

[SinghS]

the jehadis are still very far from govt formation anywhere in europe.

Currently they are in enough numbers forcing politicians in UK and Canada, to toe their line and be soft. Other places are not far away. Its a question of vote bank everywhere.

[chanakyaa]

...What if, just what if and this is hypothetically speaking - The Chinese start mining aggressively in Afghanistan (After all the Taliban thinks the chinese are good) and start selling goods manufactured in China (through American factories) into Afghanistan. Say rare earths are mined and shipped to Chinese factories (owned by wall street) and then Tesla cars are sold in Afghanistan. This is just a hypothetical scenario, amongst many scenarios. Who would be the net beneficiaries? There is a nation state and there is the economic state....

That would be very much Syria, Iraq, Bolivia model. What is most important in these countries is oil (Syria, Iraq) or Lithium deposits in Bolivia. Warlords and owners of natural resources are effectively shunted (by way of wars, fractured internal democratic instituions, human rights violation.. blah blah) from international commodities markets and traditional banking system, which forces them to sell commodities at cheaper price than that what is commanded by international prices denominated in $$. Any such agreement by China with Talibunnies will make Afg. completely dependent on the Chinese and Pakis will be happy to deliver such subjugation, if they think Indian influence in the region can be reduced/eliminated. Question is whether uncle's disengagement from Afg. part of byeden-eleven pact or some other longer term goal beyond the reach of aam abduls?

[chetak]

The US + NATO will have no option but to read in India since India will probably be the first off the block due to distance and time imperatives

Did we do that in case of Pakis, like what Israel did for Arabs? Did NATO do it in case of Arabs? We are not Israel either politically or societally. If UPA or a Khichdi is in power this option can be safely assumed to be non-existent.

the two have no connection, not in the Indo pak context. Don't mix up the two.

a nuke, just sitting there, and a live mated nuke posing an existentialist threat and under the control of jehadis are very different ball games.

There are ways to force even a UPA or a khichdi in power govt to act. expeditiously.

[SinghS]

Question is whether uncle's disengagement from Afg. part of byeden-eleven pact or some other longer term goal beyond the reach of aam abduls?

If America considers China superpower; not openly but at least in boardroom, then there arises any possibility of pact with eleven. This would mean that they have forfeited the game even before playing. This no superpower would do with another emerging superpower. The American industry feeds on international conflicts and there are powerful domestic interests; yet they are reducing conflict points.

It is either re-organization or something else.

[Pratyush]

Chetak,

You are reading too much into the capacity in American government. They have gone full retard.

Only a hard turn to the right with all that entails can preserve what is left of America's power.

PS have you seen an Pentagon add with over weight females?

A fighting force never does something like that.

[chetak]

the jehadis are still very far from govt formation anywhere in europe.

Currently they are in enough numbers forcing politicians in UK and Canada, to toe their line and be soft. Other places are not far away. Its a question of vote bank everywhere.

There is a world of difference between being soft and getting the govt to using armed force to do your bidding.

[SinghS]

a nuke, just sitting there, and a live mated nuke posing an existentialist threat and under the control of jehadis are very different ball games

I am guessing the Jehadis would not like to get devolved of power anytime soon like it happened the previous time. Don't forget that time they were not Jehadis, a complete fanatical country with representation in UN. They would like to secure their government and fanatical way of life. Wasn't Iran at one time ruled by such mullas, now a full fledged respected country?

[chetak]

Chetak,

You are reading too much into the capacity in American government. They have gone full retard.

Only a hard turn to the right with all that entails can preserve what is left of America's power.

PS have you seen an Pentagon add with over weight females?

A fighting force never does something like that.

quite the opposite, I do not see any capacity in the US govt under biden.

It is exactly that lack of will to use power that has brought about the afghan debacle.

What was the rush to withdraw in such an abrupt and disorganized manner, what drove such a stoopide decision and how did it get implemented.

The amerikis game everything in advance.

This required little gaming to foretell the disaster in the making

[nam]

The bunnies have reached the palace and US have shutdown evacuation at the airport.

There is absolute silence on our end about our people. Have we made a deal with the cavemen to allow the Kabul embassy, there by recognizing the regime?

No additional civilian flights from India going in as well.

[AshishA]

Now that they have freed all those prisoners held in various prisons across Afghanistan, where do you all think they are going to go?

I am pretty sure they are going to Kashmir.

[SinghS]

Haven't we got everyone out?