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ManSingh wrote:...

If anyone's paying them it has to be GOI, which is highly unlikely. ..
Not really as far fetched as one might think, Although it will be probably be indirectly instead of directly

The BJP were very quick of the bat to use social media for visibility and connecting with the younger generation.

Several BJP leaders relatives and friends have ties with or even own digital media companies. Their media spends are at considerable levels and they are not short of getting donations/contributions...

Even their former ally the SS learnt this from them... remember the synchronized "UT ji is the best CM....." tweet campaign during the first wave even as Maharastra and Mumbai were recording the highest number of Corona cases....
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chetak wrote: saar,

this was coordinated.

no call for such types to express colored political opinions unless motivated by interested parties or big money

they haven't gone political in the past, so it is not normal for them to do so now unless some BIF entity has reached out either directly to them or via some local influential agency

and, they are not supporting the Govt but the seem "amicable" only to other side.
definitely coordinated but by someone pro GOI. you missed the context & intent of these posts as Mansingh ji said.
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Rahul M wrote:
chetak wrote: saar,

this was coordinated.

no call for such types to express colored political opinions unless motivated by interested parties or big money

they haven't gone political in the past, so it is not normal for them to do so now unless some BIF entity has reached out either directly to them or via some local influential agency

and, they are not supporting the Govt but the seem "amicable" only to other side.
definitely coordinated but by someone pro GOI. you missed the context & intent of these posts as Mansingh ji said.
I still think that it's not GoI friendly but let's move on.
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Christophe Jaffrelot, one of the speakers at the infamous "Dismantling Global Hindutva" event, has written a book titled " Modi’s India: Hindu Nationalism and the Rise of Ethnic Democracy" - Princeton: Princeton University Press.

Jaffrelot "is a French political scientist and Indologist specialising in South Asia, particularly India and Pakistan. He is a professor of South Asian politics and history the Centre d'études et de recherches internationales (CERI) at Sciences Po (Paris), a professor of Indian Politics and Sociology at the King's India Institute (London), and a Research Director at the Centre national de la recherche scientifique (CNRS).[1]" - wiki

A review of the same by Ajay Verghese, Middlebury College : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c9Jd5- ... kYIOX/view

Some new terminologies seem to have been coined:
...from 2014-present, India has become an
“ethnic democracy,” a term developed by Sammy Smooha to refer to democracies where one
dominant ethnic group receives preferential treatment (Smooha’s prototypical example was
Israel)
. The focus of Jaffrelot’s work is this third age of India’s democracy.
Modi’s national populism (31), which Jaffrelot says is a form of populism
where the “Other” is defined in not just social but ethnic terms...

... once Modi won the 2014 election. He argues that India
became a “de facto ethnic democracy”...

...how India is moving toward a system of “competitive authoritarianism.” In this system, elections happen but
they are hardly free or fair...

...Modi government has damaged the sterling reputation of the Electoral Commission of India by appointing several compliant officials...

...It is important to note that this is not a new party system, but a “new political system
characterized by the rise of a special kind of authoritarianism”...

...the government “has transitioned from a predominantly Hindu nationalist vigilantism-based agenda to a more Hindu statist authoritarianism-oriented one”...

...Modi understands that “charisma is above accountability”...
So we know what his angle of attack would be. In other webcasts, Jaffrelot also criticises popular schemes like Ujjwala, toilet building, piped water" etc are mere eyewashes and smokescreens that claim to restore dignity of the poor to simply enlarge his voter base. Also displays the unhealthy fascination of western intellos for India's caste system and attributes most socio-political happenings to caste dynamics which he expects will divide India and is puzzled that it actually has consolidated the Hindu electorate.

Expect this narrative to be repeated and amplified by the usual cabals in the months to come.
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This is a good peek into the thinking and arguments of "Dismantling Global Hindutva" 's organisers/supporters :

IF HINDUTVA IS DISMANTLED, WHOM WILL IT HARM? - Nivedita Menon (She doesn't seem to be on the announced panel of this event but she may well be included later)

Please read in full. Knowing whom we are fighting and what arguments they put forth is an important step in debunking and countering such propaganda.
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Cyrano wrote:This is a good peek into the thinking and arguments of "Dismantling Global Hindutva" 's organisers/supporters :

IF HINDUTVA IS DISMANTLED, WHOM WILL IT HARM? - Nivedita Menon (She doesn't seem to be on the announced panel of this event but she may well be included later)

Please read in full. Knowing whom we are fighting and what arguments they put forth is an important step in debunking and countering such propaganda.
the list of references is quite indicative of where she's coming from.

another insignificant brown sepoy, salaaming her masters
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Cyrano wrote:This is a good peek into the thinking and arguments of "Dismantling Global Hindutva" 's organisers/supporters :

IF HINDUTVA IS DISMANTLED, WHOM WILL IT HARM? - Nivedita Menon (She doesn't seem to be on the announced panel of this event but she may well be included later)

Please read in full. Knowing whom we are fighting and what arguments they put forth is an important step in debunking and countering such propaganda.
Slimely seeding the enemy message in the camp of nationalists.
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Univ of Colorado at Boulder is advertising this event on their website. So clearly they are backing it.

https://www.colorado.edu/cas/dismantlin ... 0210910-12
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onion merchants are getting slaughtered.

and, IIRC, Yogi has just paid the long pending dues of the sugarcane farmers in UP, pending from the loot maar akaless govt days.

Lucknow: UP cane minister Suresh Rana on Thursday said the state government has made a record payment of Rs 1.37 lakh crore to more than 45 lakh sugarcane farmers. ... Rana said the Yogi government has also cleared arrears worth Rs 10,661 crore, pending during the Akhilesh government, to cane farmers.18-Jun-2021

Aug 25 ............Highest ever FRP of Rs 290/qtl has been approved for sugarcane farmers. This decision by the @narendramodi led cabinet will benefit 5 cr farmers, their dependents, as well as 5 lakh workers employed in sugar mills and related ancillary activities.
Samridhh Kisan under BJP sarkar.
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khali-toon siddhu seems to be playing games, supported silently by the eyetalian mafia pappu pappi woke duo.


The MLA from Sidhu's Camp has exposed the conspiracy over the meeting. Ferozpur rural Congress MLA Satkar Kaur has issued a statement revealing that she was not aware of the agenda behind Sidhu's camp meeting & thought that it was a meeting to discuss the developmental work.


Captain Amarinder Quelled Rebellion. But How Long Can He Fight the Silent Battle?



AUGUST 25, 2021

Captain Amarinder Quelled Rebellion. But How Long Can He Fight the Silent Battle?

Those who know Captain Amarinder Singh warn that his silence carries more weight than his words. The normally exuberant Captain who does not mince words has been silent for long, not willing to say a word against the new Punjab Congress chief, Navjot Singh Sidhu, or his supporters. But when nearly 32 MLAs, including ministers met at Tript Rajinder Singh Bajwa’s home in Chandigarh demanding that the CM should be changed, the Captain realised it was time for another battle but with silent guns.

His resolve to fight back was strengthened when Sidhu tweeted a picture of himself with some of the dissident MLAs at the Congress office, saying he would take their matter up to the top leadership.

Back in Delhi, sources say, Gandhis were in no mood to get involved in this round of dissidence. Sonia Gandhi asked state in charge Harish Rawat and KC Venugopal to settle the matter not wishing to meet the rebels. When late Tuesday night, around seven MLAs issued a statement that they did not want any change of CM it was clear that the Captain had got cracking.

According to sources, Captain’s close aides had begun calling the MLAs asking them to retract. They were also told that this would anger the Congress high command and their chances of receiving tickets could be jeopardised. Sukhwinder Singh Danny Bandala, one of the working presidents appointed by Sonia Gandhi, Navjeet Cheema, Satkar Kaur began to issue statements that they were not aware that a meeting was called at Bajwa’s house to remove Captain as the CM.
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^^^ please listen to this analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6urO-SnuZlQ
its only a matter of few weeks before this blows up. More worrying for me is I somehow have a feeling that this all is orchestrated between AAP+INC + Khalistani with ISI help.
Sidhu is sold is what my gut says, otherwise, this guy making this change all by himself or gandhi family stooges does not make sense
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^^^

SG said the same thing in one of his cut the clutters.
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Speaking of channels, the commies at youtube have deleted Sabloktantra channel and his back up 'Truth and Dare' channel. Its only a matter of time before every popular dharmic channel is deplatformed. From what i've noticed, the threshold for pro-India, nationalists channels on youtube seems to be 500k subscribers. If a pro-national channel has more than 500k subscribers it will come under google's radar, and then it is only a matter of time before a permanent ban. I am worried the same fate awaits AKTK, Satyasanatan, The Liberal Hindu and other popular channels.
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Cyrano wrote:Christophe Jaffrelot, one of the speakers at the infamous "Dismantling Global Hindutva" event, has written a book titled " Modi’s India: Hindu Nationalism and the Rise of Ethnic Democracy" - Princeton: Princeton University Press.

Jaffrelot "is a French political scientist and Indologist specialising in South Asia, particularly India and Pakistan. He is a professor of South Asian politics and history the Centre d'études et de recherches internationales (CERI) at Sciences Po (Paris), a professor of Indian Politics and Sociology at the King's India Institute (London), and a Research Director at the Centre national de la recherche scientifique (CNRS).[1]" - wiki

A review of the same by Ajay Verghese, Middlebury College : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c9Jd5- ... kYIOX/view

Some new terminologies seem to have been coined:
...from 2014-present, India has become an
“ethnic democracy,” a term developed by Sammy Smooha to refer to democracies where one
dominant ethnic group receives preferential treatment (Smooha’s prototypical example was
Israel)
. The focus of Jaffrelot’s work is this third age of India’s democracy.
Modi’s national populism (31), which Jaffrelot says is a form of populism
where the “Other” is defined in not just social but ethnic terms...

... once Modi won the 2014 election. He argues that India
became a “de facto ethnic democracy”...

...how India is moving toward a system of “competitive authoritarianism.” In this system, elections happen but
they are hardly free or fair...

...Modi government has damaged the sterling reputation of the Electoral Commission of India by appointing several compliant officials...

...It is important to note that this is not a new party system, but a “new political system
characterized by the rise of a special kind of authoritarianism”...

...the government “has transitioned from a predominantly Hindu nationalist vigilantism-based agenda to a more Hindu statist authoritarianism-oriented one”...

...Modi understands that “charisma is above accountability”...
So we know what his angle of attack would be. In other webcasts, Jaffrelot also criticises popular schemes like Ujjwala, toilet building, piped water" etc are mere eyewashes and smokescreens that claim to restore dignity of the poor to simply enlarge his voter base. Also displays the unhealthy fascination of western intellos for India's caste system and attributes most socio-political happenings to caste dynamics which he expects will divide India and is puzzled that it actually has consolidated the Hindu electorate.

Expect this narrative to be repeated and amplified by the usual cabals in the months to come.
what a crock of sh*t, this guy seems to be living up to his name sake of a harlot. he is regurgitating the same points our "seculars/gate keepers of democracy do".
Democracy is the rule of the majority. too bad if one minority only has decided to side with the loosing side. it is they who have to see the winds of change and reform themselves to get the ahead. Instead they are made to whine by these unelectable idiots who have self serving titles of an intellectuals.
he is an expert in south asian affairs of India and pakistan. maybe its because his peers in europe are either too uninterested or uninformed on the subcontinent that anything these idiots spout is taken as gospel and the brown sepoys take this same drivel and regurgitate as a circular argument.

We see something similar in that our MSM in India says that any one from OBC's or SC, ST minority proposed by BJP is only for votes while the other side does it due to the absolute good nature. this guy is saying the same stuff coated with many terms as an analysis that in the end is nothing but a big pile of turd/pakistan.
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chetak wrote:onion merchants are getting slaughtered.

and, IIRC, Yogi has just paid the long pending dues of the sugarcane farmers in UP, pending from the loot maar akaless govt days.

Lucknow: UP cane minister Suresh Rana on Thursday said the state government has made a record payment of Rs 1.37 lakh crore to more than 45 lakh sugarcane farmers. ... Rana said the Yogi government has also cleared arrears worth Rs 10,661 crore, pending during the Akhilesh government, to cane farmers.18-Jun-2021

Aug 25 ............Highest ever FRP of Rs 290/qtl has been approved for sugarcane farmers. This decision by the @narendramodi led cabinet will benefit 5 cr farmers, their dependents, as well as 5 lakh workers employed in sugar mills and related ancillary activities.
Samridhh Kisan under BJP sarkar.



yogi effect on the congis in punjab
Punjab | Sugarcane farmers block highway, railway track in Jalandhar, demand that state govt clears their dues

If govt doesn't hold talks with us by today evening, then we'll give Punjab Bandh call.We'll try to avoid imposing a bandh from tomorrow due to Rakhi: MS Rai,BKU-Doaba
via@ANI 11:39 AM · Aug 21, 2021
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Funny that a Frenchman makes up stuff about 'ethnic democracy'. Clearly he's got no experience being a non-white in France. Try literally any field of work there beyond certain professional sports and you'll hit the glass ceiling fast and hard. The janitorial and service industries are earmarked for the non whites there.

Any western pressperson fits a very predictable template. They get posted someplace in Europe and immediately burnish their resume by stating they now speak French after 6 months in Paris. Then they get deployed in New Delhi and after 5 years clearly cannot string together a sentence in Hindi, having lived all the while in a bubble, getting their news and worldview in English from the class of RNIs who interact with them. E.g. Annie Gowen, who's now back in NY and studiously avoiding talking about the NYC Covid situation.
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Wonder what snake oil is being sold as 'mentorship program'. Kajri bai wants to implement this across the country.
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Suraj wrote:Funny that a Frenchman makes up stuff about 'ethnic democracy'. Clearly he's got no experience being a non-white in France. Try literally any field of work there beyond certain professional sports and you'll hit the glass ceiling fast and hard. The janitorial and service industries are earmarked for the non whites there.

Any western pressperson fits a very predictable template. They get posted someplace in Europe and immediately burnish their resume by stating they now speak French after 6 months in Paris. Then they get deployed in New Delhi and after 5 years clearly cannot string together a sentence in Hindi, having lived all the while in a bubble, getting their news and worldview in English from the class of RNIs who interact with them. E.g. Annie Gowen, who's now back in NY and studiously avoiding talking about the NYC Covid situation.
I asked this many times. They know few words like Namaste and then they say that we communicated in English. It is not their fault. Hindi was not necessary.
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rsingh wrote:
Suraj wrote:Funny that a Frenchman makes up stuff about 'ethnic democracy'. Clearly he's got no experience being a non-white in France. Try literally any field of work there beyond certain professional sports and you'll hit the glass ceiling fast and hard. The janitorial and service industries are earmarked for the non whites there.

Any western pressperson fits a very predictable template. They get posted someplace in Europe and immediately burnish their resume by stating they now speak French after 6 months in Paris. Then they get deployed in New Delhi and after 5 years clearly cannot string together a sentence in Hindi, having lived all the while in a bubble, getting their news and worldview in English from the class of RNIs who interact with them. E.g. Annie Gowen, who's now back in NY and studiously avoiding talking about the NYC Covid situation.
I asked this many times. They know few words like Namaste and then they say that we communicated in English. It is not their fault. Hindi was not necessary.
It's their fault. They CHOOSE to stay in their comfort zone and just get their information from the deracinated elites. They are willfully part of the system, and have always been.
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The first thing BJP Govt needs to do which it hasn't for seven years under a misplaced sense of liberalism, is to create a directory of hateful actors and prevent them from visiting or benefiting from Indian economic growth. Over the next few years, you'll see these chameleons change colors. They, like that Dalrymple, Dhume and assorted other heels from the western media are very cocky thinking they can dump on India anytime, but the Govt has no guts to act against them in particular. Once they realize they've been kicked out of the most consequential non western market (and China is already headed its own way), these fools will start rethinking their attacks.
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Suraj wrote:
It's their fault. They CHOOSE to stay in their comfort zone and just get their information from the deracinated elites. They are willfully part of the system, and have always been.
Also bigotry. Mc Gowan for instance is an openly evangelical sort and had issues with the open display of Hindu religious iconography.
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So even wearing salwar kameez at soirées and selfies with Taj Mahal/Thar camels doesn't count? Yoo Indians are too exigent saar.
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One thing we often overlook is that the PMO almost never gives interviews or press conferences. Compare the situation in US where the White House has a press secretary who gives a daily press briefing.

This is probably done to avoid bad-faith propaganda journos asking "gotcha" questions, or otherwise falsifying interviews by selective editing-- yet, surely there are other ways to address those issues than simple avoidance of the press.

There are two downsides to not having regular PMO interactions with the press.

One is that by default, the prevailing narrative becomes the one that the Press Club and IIC deracinates put out. GOI's side of the story doesn't get told, other than through stodgy press releases that go to the public and to all journalistic outlets at practically the same time. Foreign journos (bad faith though some of them might be) have the excuse of saying "we used whatever sources we know of, because the PMO didn't have any comment".

The other aspect is that by dangling the carrot of greater/earlier access, and conversely the stick of blocking access, GOI gains leverage over what gets written about its policies. If you write what we want you will get the scoop earlier and deeper next time. If you pi55 us off you will be shut out (for the rest of your tenure in India, if you are a foreign journalist).

Right now it seems that everyone is relatively equally "shut out", so nobody has an incentive to do any better.

The BJP has an excellent electoral and domestic political strategy; a strong national-security strategy; an improving foreign-policy and economic-policy strategy; and a useless media-management strategy. The old 1970s babu culture of "what do we care what anyone says" continues to dominate things even though the world is very different in the information age.
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Rudradev wrote:......The old 1970s babu culture of "what do we care what anyone says" continues to dominate things even though the world is very different in the information age.
I feel it's worse than this. The culture is "log kya kahenge" but they don't even bother to influence what the "log" will "kahenge".
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Rudradev wrote:One thing we often overlook is that the PMO almost never gives interviews or press conferences. Compare the situation in US where the White House has a press secretary who gives a daily press briefing.

This is probably done to avoid bad-faith propaganda journos asking "gotcha" questions, or otherwise falsifying interviews by selective editing-- yet, surely there are other ways to address those issues than simple avoidance of the press.

There are two downsides to not having regular PMO interactions with the press.

One is that by default, the prevailing narrative becomes the one that the Press Club and IIC deracinates put out. GOI's side of the story doesn't get told, other than through stodgy press releases that go to the public and to all journalistic outlets at practically the same time. Foreign journos (bad faith though some of them might be) have the excuse of saying "we used whatever sources we know of, because the PMO didn't have any comment".

The other aspect is that by dangling the carrot of greater/earlier access, and conversely the stick of blocking access, GOI gains leverage over what gets written about its policies. If you write what we want you will get the scoop earlier and deeper next time. If you pi55 us off you will be shut out (for the rest of your tenure in India, if you are a foreign journalist).

Right now it seems that everyone is relatively equally "shut out", so nobody has an incentive to do any better.

The BJP has an excellent electoral and domestic political strategy; a strong national-security strategy; an improving foreign-policy and economic-policy strategy; and a useless media-management strategy. The old 1970s babu culture of "what do we care what anyone says" continues to dominate things even though the world is very different in the information age.
Rudradev ji

this matter of "modi not doing interviews" point has been belabored to the death.

He is not going to do interviews, live with it because he is prepared to accept the consequences.

with India's ranking on the global stage, her FE reserves, her growth trajectory, the attacks on India and the Hindus is never going to stop, modi or no modi.

Interest--surprise--amazement --jealousy--rancour -- fear. This is how the west seems to have reacted. No one remembers neverwho and his snake charmers but the apprehensive goras yearn for those days.

What happens to them, if India turns out to be another aggressive juggernaut like cheen


all the scandals of the slippery sardar's mafia govt started out with leaked info from the PMO, cabinet ministers and the ministries that "journos" like buddi butt, hot chacha sangvhi of the horrizontally dancing fame, radia, and a galaxy of retired babooze who actually cashed in on their contacts and peddled that info for cold cash to corrupt politicos, industrialists and lootyens darbaris.

The leaks were almost always the vital single source of all the hanky panky that was done by these "entrepreneurs"

that story will not ever be written by guys liks sanjaya baru and his all knowing ilk. There are any number of honest journos who tweet about those days even now, putting out snippets of the skulduggery that went on behind the scenes.

FDIs and other smart money coming in have not decreased because some woke punk is not investing in the India growth story as he is upset with modi for not doing interviews.

Modi is very, very active in foreign affairs, he travels worldwide, is friends with lots of global leaders, and, on occasion, has kicked some white butt, like he did to the bhangra dancing bumpkin trudeau, theresa may returned empty handed, and the EU has learned the hard way not to push him around.

and those unambiguous messages went out loud and clear.

screw the presstitutes, they are all working from a woke toolkit and Modi calls them "news traders" and openly says that he is not obliged to help them to run their dukans.
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Did I say Modi has to do the interviews?

I said the PMO has to do what it must to control the narrative, just as the White House and nearly any govt in the world who understands how important the information space is. Otherwise if it cedes the entire narrative space to the BIFs, it is hardly blameless for the consequences.

That is separate and apart from the fact that BIF journos and propaganda outlets exist. Of course they do. All the more reason why GOI should fight for its own damn turf instead of just letting people bellyache about media unfairness on Twitter.
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Rudradev wrote:Did I say Modi has to do the interviews?

I said the PMO has to do what it must to control the narrative, just as the White House and nearly any govt in the world who understands how important the information space is. Otherwise if it cedes the entire narrative space to the BIFs, it is hardly blameless for the consequences.

That is separate and apart from the fact that BIF journos and propaganda outlets exist. Of course they do. All the more reason why GOI should fight for its own damn turf instead of just letting people bellyache about media unfairness on Twitter.
Modi has to permit the interviews.

To permit, he had to provide data, background and let them glimpse his thought process and that of his team, for "in depth" and so called human interest reportage.

When Modi trusting Indians don't know Modi's mind why should the inimical goras have access to it and to what end

and yes, they all want only Modi to do the interviews, be accessible to them 24X7 on their speed dial because that is what "they say, is democracy"

white journo privilege talking down to lower caste brown skin PM

our babooze did this in the earlier regimes as did the ministers, all for a fee, some "gifts" and access to foreign visas, jobs and admission for kids to woke universities, NGO funding for their wives' enterprises and frequent wining and dining including gala all expenses paid, regular foreign trips on the PM's plane during his visits.

This is the swamp scum that Modi has kept at bay and, BTW, the India narrative has always been controlled by the BIF for over 70 odd years now, no matter who the PM was/is
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chetak wrote:
Rudradev wrote:Did I say Modi has to do the interviews?

I said the PMO has to do what it must to control the narrative, just as the White House and nearly any govt in the world who understands how important the information space is. Otherwise if it cedes the entire narrative space to the BIFs, it is hardly blameless for the consequences.

That is separate and apart from the fact that BIF journos and propaganda outlets exist. Of course they do. All the more reason why GOI should fight for its own damn turf instead of just letting people bellyache about media unfairness on Twitter.
Modi has to permit.

To permit, he had to provide data, background and let them glimpse his thought process and that of his team, for "in depth" human interest reportage.

When Modi trusting Indians don't know Modi's mind why should the inimical goras have access to it and to what end
Why does Modi himself have to do any such thing?

Other govts-- even the Chinese-- have entire departments dedicated completely to designing and distributing the specific messages, information, spin, and other narrative-building machinery necessary to stay ahead of the discourse. In an age of internet, smartphones, and 24X7 cable news this is more vital than at any time previously. At both a national and an international level.

Modi's personal state of mind has absolutely nothing to do with it. What matters is packaging the right messaging and presenting it in the right way as "Modi/GOI's state of mind". Zero effort is spent on doing that. Press releases, website updates, and Tweets all come out at one and the same time. All of them rely on the same desultory baboo-speak of the Rajiv Gandhi era. Is this supposed to be a media strategy?

India, ironically, has a whole I&B Ministry that is *supposed* to be responsible for this kind of thing. The I&B Minister is one Anurag Thakur (ever heard of/from him?) Before that, it was your favourite Prakash Javadekar.

The kind of people appointed give a clear idea how important Modi/GOI think the job is. What would it cost them to make someone remotely media-savvy, like Smriti Irani or Meenakshi Lekhi, the I&B Minister and let that person take care of things?

and yes, they all want only Modi to do the interviews, be accessible to them 24X7 on their speed dial because that is what "they say is democracy"

white journo privilege talking down to lower caste brown skin PM
They can want whatever they want.

There is a huge, yawning gulf between:

A) Giving foreign journos and BIF RNI journos whatever they want

and

B ) Ceding 100% of the entire information-warfare space to the BIFs by doing next to nothing.

This is the swamp that Modi has kept at bay and, BTW, the India narrative has always been controlled by the BIF for over 70 odd years now, no matter who the PM was
It has always been controlled by the BIF... therefore we should quietly accept that it will be forever controlled by the BIF, because the present GOI would rather rely on aam junta supporters on Twitter/Whatsapp/Facebook to do what is needed. If after 7 years as PM Modi is just "keeping the swamp at bay" rather than draining it and replacing it with usable real-estate, that smacks of complacency.

The issue is very simple. Let us say you are a sedentary office-going guy who doesn't have much time for physical activity. When is the right time to start exercising? Is it after you get physically attacked by goondas? Is it after some disaster strikes and you have to run as fast as you can with your children/belongings in your arms?

Today the GOI has become complacent because the opposition is useless. Rahul Gandhi, Kejriwal, Laloo, etc reek so obviously of feces that not all the Chanel No. 5 applied by RNI and foreign media can mask the stench. So GOI feels like it will never have to worry, no matter what the BIF media says.

Mark my words-- this WILL not be the case forever. At some point there will be a serious political challenge to Modi/BJP. And the entire media machinery whose narrative currently markets the Rahul Gandhis of the world will converge upon that political challenge with guns out and blazing. The usual ragtag army of aam junta Social Media warriors will have NO chance of fighting back at that point, with the Social Media platforms themselves getting taken over by overtly hostile ideological actors.

That is when a large and muscular professional institution dedicated to specialist information-management, funded and developed by resources only available to the GOI, will be a matter of life and death for BJP and indeed our entire civilization. So far, not even the basic foundation for any such thing has been established. And it will take years, if not decades, to build one.

I am not someone who criticizes Modi lightly on this that & the other. In fact, I often come out to defend him from the "Modi is doing nothing for Hindoooooos" type of pointless caterwauling. But I see this total lack of information management as a critical vulnerability.

The very fact that ordinary citizens like me have to come out and do the information-warfare pushback, be it on Demonetization, GST, Article 370, Balakot, CAA, or the Pandemic Response is living, physical proof of this vulnerability.
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Rudradev wrote:
chetak wrote:
Modi has to permit.

To permit, he had to provide data, background and let them glimpse his thought process and that of his team, for "in depth" human interest reportage.

When Modi trusting Indians don't know Modi's mind why should the inimical goras have access to it and to what end
Why does Modi himself have to do any such thing?

Other govts-- even the Chinese-- have entire departments dedicated completely to designing and distributing the specific messages, information, spin, and other narrative-building machinery necessary to stay ahead of the discourse. In an age of internet, smartphones, and 24X7 cable news this is more vital than any time previously. At both a national and an international level.

Modi's personal state of mind has absolutely nothing to do with it. What matters is packaging the right messaging and presenting it in the right way as "Modi/GOI's state of mind". Zero effort is spent on doing that. Press releases, website updates, and Tweets all come out at one and the same time. All of them rely on the same desultory baboo-speak of the Rajiv Gandhi era. Is this supposed to be a media strategy?

India, ironically, has a whole I&B Ministry that is *supposed* to be responsible for this kind of thing. The I&B Minister is one Anurag Thakur (ever heard of/from him?) Before that, it was your favourite Prakash Javadekar.

The kind of people appointed give a clear idea how important Modi/GOI think the job is. What would it cost them to make someone remotely media-savvy, like Smriti Irani or Meenakshi Lekhi, the I&B Minister and let that person take care of things?

and yes, they all want only Modi to do the interviews, be accessible to them 24X7 on their speed dial because that is what "they say is democracy"

white journo privilege talking down to lower caste brown skin PM
They can want whatever they want.

There is a huge, yawning gulf between:

A) Giving foreign journos and BIF RNI journos whatever they want

and

B ) Ceding 100% of the entire information-warfare space to the BIFs by doing next to nothing.

This is the swamp that Modi has kept at bay and, BTW, the India narrative has always been controlled by the BIF for over 70 odd years now, no matter who the PM was
It has always been controlled by the BIF... therefore we should quietly accept that it will be forever controlled by the BIF, because the present GOI would rather rely on aam junta supporters on Twitter/Whatsapp/Facebook to do what is needed. If after 7 years as PM Modi is just "keeping the swamp at bay" rather than draining it and replacing it with usable real-estate, that smacks of complacency.

The issue is very simple. Let us say you are a sedentary office-going guy who doesn't have much time for physical activity. When is the right time to start exercising? Is it after you get physically attacked by goondas? Is it after some disaster strikes and you have to run as fast as you can with your children/belongings in your arms?

Today the GOI has become complacent because the opposition is useless. Rahul Gandhi, Kejriwal, Laloo, etc reek so obviously of feces that not all the Chanel No. 5 applied by RNI and foreign media can mask the stench. So GOI feels like it will never have to worry, no matter what the BIF media says.

Mark my words-- this WILL not be the case forever. At some point there will be a serious political challenge to Modi/BJP. And the entire media machinery whose narrative currently markets the Rahul Gandhis of the world will converge upon that political challenge with guns out and blazing. The usual ragtag army of aam junta Social Media warriors will have NO chance of fighting back at that point, with the Social Media platforms themselves getting taken over by overtly hostile ideological actors.

That is when a large and muscular professional institution dedicated to specialist information-management, funded and developed by resources only available to the GOI, will be a matter of life and death for BJP and indeed our entire civilization. So far, not even the basic foundation for any such thing has been established. And it will take years, if not decades, to build one.

I am not someone who criticizes Modi lightly on this that & the other. In fact, I often come out to defend him from the "Modi is doing nothing for Hindoooooos" type of pointless caterwauling. But I see this total lack of information management as a critical vulnerability.

The very fact that ordinary citizens like me have to come out and do the information-warfare pushback, be it on Demonetization, GST, Article 370, Balakot, CAA, or the Pandemic Response is living, physical proof of this vulnerability.
I know that you are a bhakth. Good for you. I always read with interest what you have to say.

But, at the end of the day, Modi will do what he does best, keep all his cards close to his vest. He uses twitter, man ki baath and visuals like the recent Olympic team reception to connect with people.

He has learned after his gujarat tenure and internalized whatever he wanted to. He will not go beyond that.

He addresses the nation on TV when he feels the need to communicate and he speaks in parliament on what matters to him or needs to be addressed, in his opinion.

when his time comes to leave, I think that he will not be seen or heard in public thereafter.

but one hopes that he makes himself useful as the president and extends his public life, if offered such an opportunity.
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Rudradev wrote:Did I say Modi has to do the interviews?

I said the PMO has to do what it must to control the narrative, just as the White House and nearly any govt in the world who understands how important the information space is. Otherwise if it cedes the entire narrative space to the BIFs, it is hardly blameless for the consequences.

That is separate and apart from the fact that BIF journos and propaganda outlets exist. Of course they do. All the more reason why GOI should fight for its own damn turf instead of just letting people bellyache about media unfairness on Twitter.
Agree completely, information and media management is something we really need to improve upon. Carrots and sticks both.
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”… If you don’t let me take decisions, I won’t spare… (ent se ent baja dunga)…”: Punjab Congress chief Navjot Singh Sidhu pic.twitter.com/1KeMuPBlZy
viaANI (@ANI) August 27, 2021



sidhu " tells" congi high command: ent se ent baja dunga

has he forgotten to take his medicines............



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KmK1YaKIoI



If you don't let me take decisions "ent se ent Baja dunga" : Navjot Singh Sidhu



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Rudradev, Chetak, Karan,

Interesting set of posts from all of you.

Personally as someone who is not really watching MSM and has not watched it for nearly 15 years. I think there is a huge disconnect in what you have observed in the last few posts. And what both the supporter's of the government and the opponents of the government are saying on the ground. Along with what I have observed from the opponents of the government.

I am at a loss to account for this disconnect. As one side is absolutely convinced that Modi is a master of media manipulation and the media is godi.

Whereas the other side is saying that Modi's media game has to be much better than what it has been until now.

Both the positions cannot be true at the same time, right. Or can they are true at the same time?

Or both sides are so far apart from each other that they are no longer existing as part of the same reality?
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Joker Sighu is again talking like if I do not do this/get this I will stop politics. Congress failed to understand this.
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Until our press is not free.......there is no need to talk. Modi is doing right thing.skilled
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A good PIF old-timer like Kanchan Gupta should've been made press secy. Kanchan da as Editor of the Pioneer back in the 90s was nationalist and pro-Indic at a time when it was distinctly unfashionable and downright injurious to one's professional health to be so. He could well handle Jen Paki like WH briefings on behalf of GoI or PMO. And it would be a fitting reward to a trustworthy guy who fought the good fight all along. JMTPs only.
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"The Press" as an entity is superfluous in India today. To me, they are like landline phones.

For a very long time, being amongst the highest echelons of press was in itself a status position. Like owning a landline phone was. Shekhar Gupta lamented how he could 'call a control room for status update' on a landline phone at one time. Sounds wonderful, except 1% of India had phones then.

India is the only major democracy where the members of the press are themselves relatively wealthy celebrities, and in fact count themselves as part of inter-generational wealth. Elsewhere, the press is owned and run by businessmen. Different businessmen owned papers with different political slants because there was a captive audience to cater to.

In India the members of press were themselves the moneyed lot - Gupta, Prannoy, Sardesai etc. They owe that money to the patronage of one political dispensation spread over 2-3 generations now. That will not change anytime soon.

They do not report news. They OWNED the only channels of news, and that made and kept them rich. They have never been reporters or journalists. They were and have always been brokers. They have access to the source, they tell you what they want you to hear, and what gets the source the political influence they need, and in exchange for this position, the broker gets paid.

This is what goes for 'the press' in India, at least as far as MSM goes. That entity will never work as the people in 'daily press briefing' do. Brokers don't sit and listen and then go back and write. You might get people to do that on cricbuzz or cricinfo, not for daily political briefings.

The press in India is already a much richer and more powerful entity that seeks to have power to make the news, access to the political class, and the ability to manipulate them. Sure that happens in the west too, but from the owner of the press (like Murdoch) not from the talking heads themselves.

In the west, politicians and business maintain a power relationship where one doesn't screw the other over unnecessarily. In India, the press brokers consider themselves to be entitled to access to the political class, having had that for decades now.

Sure, it's all completely true that 'excluding them' will result in them continuing the current line of incendiary attacks on the government. But Modi has been dealing with that as long as I've ever heard of the guy.

In India, for the current political dispensation, the right and only approach is to use mobiles, the social media and simultaneously create an independent ecosystem that propagates their message. That's what they're doing now. In fact the central financial inclusion program of this regime is JAM - Jan-Dhan, Adhaar, Mobile. The idea was to use those three to bypass existing middleman classes.

The Indian press is a similar middleman class. So I get my political updates from pib.gov.in . They do a really good job there. At least a bunch of ministries do. MoHFW has been continuously giving me good vaccination data every day right on schedule, since early March.

To get a press-political relationship like the first, the first step is to entirely destroy the moneyed press broker class. Press is a deal between the political and business classes. This artificial broker (or dalals as they're called) class is an obsolete vestige of the past. Like landline phones.
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chetak wrote:
”… If you don’t let me take decisions, I won’t spare… (ent se ent baja dunga)…”: Punjab Congress chief Navjot Singh Sidhu pic.twitter.com/1KeMuPBlZy
viaANI (@ANI) August 27, 2021



sidhu " tells" congi high command: ent se ent baja dunga

has he forgotten to take his medicines............



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KmK1YaKIoI



If you don't let me take decisions "ent se ent Baja dunga" : Navjot Singh Sidhu



What a great decision by BJP to get rid of this scumbag
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Hari Seldon wrote:A good PIF old-timer like Kanchan Gupta should've been made press secy. Kanchan da as Editor of the Pioneer back in the 90s was nationalist and pro-Indic at a time when it was distinctly unfashionable and downright injurious to one's professional health to be so. He could well handle Jen Paki like WH briefings on behalf of GoI or PMO. And it would be a fitting reward to a trustworthy guy who fought the good fight all along. JMTPs only.

Hari Seldon wrote:A good PIF old-timer like Kanchan Gupta should've been made press secy. Kanchan da as Editor of the Pioneer back in the 90s was nationalist and pro-Indic at a time when it was distinctly unfashionable and downright injurious to one's professional health to be so. He could well handle Jen Paki like WH briefings on behalf of GoI or PMO. And it would be a fitting reward to a trustworthy guy who fought the good fight all along. JMTPs only.



Modi actually wanted syed akbaruddin but akbaruddin did not want to come and as per his own request, akbaruddin was appointed as India's permanent representative to the United Nations in New York

many of these guys have been sidelined and there has to be some reason for that. most are insistent on GoI sinecures that have a considerable pension payouts and all the attendant perks that go along with it. kanchan gupta has only just been rehabilitated. One wonders why.

Their contribution on the media front is questionable and these dinosaurs are dated, typecast and unquantifiable. guys like kuldip nayyar, coupta, buddi butt, radia and the runditeevee gangs have always dameged India's interests. a pimping paki or cheeni, or ameriki pasand journo with deep access to sources inside the cabinet is not what is needed.

Some of the books by "media advisors" are replete with deep insider kowledge and free access to the powers that be and yet they may have disclosed just about 5-10% max of what they have been witness to. creeps like kuldip nayyar, sanjaya baru et all come to mind

media advisors need to have such unrestricted access to do their jobs because they need to know clearly which questions and matters they have to address in public and also, more importantly, which questions and matters they have to suppress/bury without making media shock waves and head off before it blossoms malevolently and sweeps away years of hard work.

the paki and cheeni ecosystems need to have such in-depth inputs to run their dukans in India and that is how they were operating their sharab, kabab, shabab and kharab mehfils. Invitiees were mostly from vital ministeries, both retired and serving, capable of providing timely inputs in matters of commerce, finance foreign affairs and defence and weapons/defence deals.

the foreign agencies were always a few steps ahead of the GoI in most negotiations, trade treaties and blocking off unwanted legislations before it got to the parliament and this sharab, kabab, shabab and kharab mas the most frequently used methodology.

Modi classifies such media worms as "news traders" and he not only avoids them but has also blocked off their access to the extent that many of them have become unemployable and radioactive as well.

This is why the amerikis (walmart, amazon, twitter, google etc), pakis (aman ki tamasha) and cheenis (telecom and trade) are struggling in trade and border negotiations as well as unable to bamboozle this govt into conceding tangible ground at the cost of India.

The point about controlling the narrative is partially valid but Modi will never escape the bad and partisan press, where ever he may go and what ever he may do.

The FCRA and the anti conversion stance has cut too deeply for any of the BIF pimps to forgive and forget.

and that's why racists (WAPOs) like annie gowen regularly crap their adult diapers when belittling Modi and Modi's India



Syed Akbaruddin: Best spokesman for India? PM Modi certainly thinks so
The diplomat who is just about six years away from his retirement has not had a single ambassadorial stint yet. And this was the main reason of declining an offer from the PM for which much senior officials would die for.

Rajeev Sharma November 03, 2014


Syed Akbaruddin: Best spokesman for India? PM Modi certainly thinks so


Syed Akbaruddin is by far the best and the most efficient spokesperson the Ministry of External Affairs has produced yet. But the problem is that he is the spokesperson of the MEA and not of the Government of India on the whole.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi does not have any spokesman. There is no ministry in the government of India which has a spokesperson who regularly briefs the press. There is only one spokesperson who holds regular briefings and that is the spokesperson of the MEA.

But as Akbaruddin goes from strength to strength within the MEA and the government, his answers at on-record press conferences have acquired a different hue. He is now tackling all sorts of questions that any MEA spokesperson, including him, would have parried not too long ago.

Sample how Akbaruddin tackled at least two questions during his 31 October on-record press conference. One question pertained to Jama Masjid Shahi Imam’s invite to Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for attending his son’s ceremonial take-over as Naib Imam of the country’s largest mosque later this month while snubbing Modi. The second question was about the controversy regarding a media report which said that a lawyer appearing for the MEA had told the Bombay High Court that an unwed mother applying for her child's passport must declare how she became pregnant and if she was raped.

On the first issue, Akbaruddin was asked whether the Pakistani premier had plans to travel to India in view of the Shahi Imam’s invite. The question was greeted with a boisterous laughter from the press corps when it was barely completed.

This is how Akbaruddin responded: "I am tempted to evade the question because you heard the laughter. But that said, when voices from the wilderness are heard, these are addressed to all of you, not to me as government. As far as I am concerned, as government I respond to government, not to voices from the wilderness who are always clawing to get space and your mind space."

So here is Akbaruddin, a Muslim who is effectively describing the Shahi Imam, a spiritual leader of the Muslims, as a "voice from the wilderness"! He also subtly hit out at the media for giving the Shahi Imam acres of space and hours of airtime in terms of print and electronic coverage and allowing this "wilderness" to dominate their "mind space".

Akbaruddin came up with an unusually strong answer on the other question about a woman passport applicant about whom the government lawyer had reportedly told the Bombay High Court that she would have declare who her husband is and whether she was raped. If one reads the full answer by Akbaruddin it would make it clear that here is a person who is speaking on behalf of the entire government of India, not just the MEA.

This is how Akbaruddin responded to this question: "I am shocked if you think that is our view. If anyone thinks that is the view of the government of India, I am appalled by that… It is absolutely contrary to what the government of India or the Ministry of External Affairs stands for. We do not stand for gender discrimination. We do not countenance insensitivity in such matters."

He further elaborated his answer by saying that when an unwed mother is applying for passport for her children she should simply leave blank the column about the name of the father. "The name of the father should be left blank and should not be entered into the passport, as admission by a woman of the birth of a child out of wedlock invites social stigma. It should, therefore, be presumed that her affidavit is true. So we go on the basis of the affidavit with that part being blank."

Akbaruddin is always well-prepared and it is seldom when he begs to get back to a questioner during his frequent briefings to answer a question he is not updated about.

He was among the few officials Modi took fancy oft. So much is PM Modi’s predilection for Akbaruddin that he even proposed to make him his spokesperson in the PMO, an offer that Akbaruddin politely declined. His main argument in declining such a generous offer from the PM was that he is essentially a diplomat and would like to remain a diplomat.

The diplomat who is just about six years away from his retirement has not had a single ambassadorial stint yet. And this was the main reason of declining an offer from the PM for which much senior officials would die for.


Akbaruddin’s CV would be corrected suitably in this context and he is all set for an ambassadorial posting shortly – as India’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations in Geneva, a high-profile post. If all goes well and the prime minister agrees to relieve him, he should be taking over his new post in Geneva in January.

For the almost three years Akbaruddin has been the MEA spokesperson he has steadfastly and consistently declined to answer questions that pertain to intra-ministerial affairs within the government set-up or belong to non-MEA domain.

But if PM Modi has to reach out to the nation in flawless language via bureaucracy, there is only one man he has to turn to in absence of any spokesperson of the PMO or the government: Syed Akbaruddin. This is what Modi has been doing of late.

The writer is Firstpost consulting editor and a strategic analyst who tweets @Kishkindha.
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