2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2021 21:24

dakait has been sidelined and marginalized and somehow slimy yogendra yadav has managed to retain the limelight

His turn will come soon enough onlee

dikait has been made to sit in the margins

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 Dec 2021 21:48

Aditya_V wrote:I cam bet influential global players game this system very well

How do you think Chndarachud's son is in some firm in the UK?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 Dec 2021 22:00

Rsatchi wrote:
Neela wrote:chetak ji
PLease see noise from judiciary as a consequence of
'Collegium System Non-Transparent, Lacks Accountability': MPs Urge Centre To Bring Back NJAC Bill With Amendments
Obviously the renewed push to get Judiciary submit itself to democratic institutions reaches the press much later. Hence all kinds of noise. As with every institution, there will be factions within it. Getting Gogoi on RS would have given insight to how they function and which levers to push.
The President sending a note to Judiciary via a function must have been seen as a threat to their colonial ways.

This reaction is priceless:

This megalomaniacal thoughts must be CRUSHED! It borders on ridiculous. How such a person can reach SC is beyond me. it is convenient to claim independence citing legitimacy from framers of the consitution - those that are long dead. What matters is the democratic setup and how every institution submits itself to it. The legislative should break their backs every 5 years to get themselces elected why executive and Judiciary leech out with 150 days of leaves and paid holidays?
The Judiciary MUST bend the knee to legislative . Period.
Neelaji
I am being a devil's advocate here.
If woke shit heads win the election they could then fill SC with more shitheads like themselves!!
In a country like India a bipartisan MP Sub-committee approval is difficult given the tendency of some the MP's to filibuster and take everything to the media
What is the way forward??
An IAS exam type for the lawyers inclined to become judges
But if its a direct entry after finishing law school will they have the acumen and experience to be able to control the riff-raffs who fill in the district and sessions courts(I mean the black coat idiots who hardly be able file a affidavit or brief and no dis-respect here, so many are apparently; talking my brother who is a lawyer in bangalore who vouches for it)

Precisely why the President is asking the Judiciary to get in line and go for standardized tests for Judicial positions.
wrt to woke shitheads getting into power - well that is the downside (or upside) of democratic process - whether you like it or not. But A bad performer will have to prove himself in the next round of elections. At least there is correction process. What is there in the Judiciary ? " Framers of constitution said me , my son , my paramour's daughter are held to a different pedestal" - and there is nothing no one can do about it.
What you say is absolutely true - the bar (pun intended) is really really low with a lot of folk having zero practical experience but adorning black coats. And frankly it is exploitation of ordinary people who end up trusting these charlatans.
There was a recent case in the SC ( yes, SC!! ) where some persons modified the registers to determine which case goes to which judge. Such is the embarrassing state unfortunately. If this happens in SC, imagine the state in District level courts - the level of corruption is alarming!

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 Dec 2021 22:15

vijayk wrote:
Journalism and litigation

In November 2020, three petitions were filed at the Supreme Court of India against Y. S. Jagan Mohan Reddy for the allegations made in his letter, calling for his removal as Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh in response to the allegations against Ramana. Supreme Court Judge U.U. Lalit recused himself from hearing these petitions.[28][29] On 24 March 2021, the Supreme Court issued a statement indicating that according to an in-house procedure for investigating complaints, the allegations against Ramana had been found to be "meritless" and closed the investigation. The Court also stated that they would not be releasing their report on the allegations, as it was "...strictly confidential."[3][30]
Unbelievable that he was let off so easily with so much of corruption. Now he is instigating a jihad by COMMIE/JINHADI forces

Come to think of it ... Attorney Generals have let of $onia eco-system corrupt lawyers making wild allegations against judiciary to influence judgements. went all out against some common man making critical respectful comments on judiciary ... Is BJP not doing due diligence on appointing such folks as AGs or are these guys protecting their interests beyond NDA?

Whether they ilke it or not, those holding public positions should be held to extremely high standards . The investigations into Ramana must be made public. And in the interest probity, he should have stepped down until cleared of all charges.
While I know it is incorrect to comment on the case without having the full details, Ramana or the judiciary foe that matter arent helping themselves as they deliberately chose not to disclose findings. Moreover, he is definately dog-whistling by asking for student leaders. This man is dangerous.
This institution says dissent is a safety valve for democracy while at the same time going after SM posts critical of the judiciary . Unbelievable rot!

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 10 Dec 2021 22:42

Neela wrote:
vijayk wrote:

Whether they ilke it or not, those holding public positions should be held to extremely high standards . . Unbelievable rot!

Precisely Neelaji
Though I am not a great fan of Khan system of democracy at least there every one has to stand for an election and after a term are kicked out if not performing or graft etc be it DA, Chief Of Police, Judge, Senator or a President.
Every two bit *&^%$hole in the country stands for an election and gets elected if he has family/money/party power.
Now the Police and DC's nobody can touch them as they have the 'Unobtanium' the IAS/IPS.
And the Milords are above everyone
There has to be a Kranti saar otherwise this will carry on.
People keep harping on caste/group/religion(barring the most Pious one's

) etc politics, but until there a huge loss of manpower with total upheaval in the society things wont change in a jiffy.
Take the Khan state : the American Civil War and WW2 decimated the Boston Brahmin/WASP stanglehold
Take the Britshits: Two WW in a span of 40 years decimated the class system and sense of entitlement for the upper class/landed gentry/titled yobs
Though India has faced wars but not the kind where there is wholesale changes in the society, so changes I am not sure when and how that will happen
The rotten system of caste/power/entitlement goes then maybe

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Dec 2021 23:42

“Those who have swords, and know how to use them, but keep them sheathed… shall inherit the earth.”

गर्व होता है ऐसे भारत का नागरिक होने पर

They do this, not for the man but for the institution he embodies, and

The values he stood for.

Salute.

@ARanganathan72

He never fought elections, never made false promises, never waived loans, never distributed free water or electricity and yet tens of thousands of ordinary citizens throng his funeral procession.

The most powerful is he who never has to display his power.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Dec 2021 23:54

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 11 Dec 2021 01:14

No Namaz In Gurgaon This Week: Protest Wins | नहीं होने दी गई खुले में नमाज़ | Sector 37, 17, 44

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 11 Dec 2021 01:46

If u watch the first few mins the guy is saying tell all the multinational companies to not hire them as they cannot do namaz in public. He says tell all the UAE companies.( u can’t do this in UAE but wants it in India)

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 11 Dec 2021 01:49

^^ You can't/don't do anything like this in any original Izamlic states. Its the special dirrt habit of the subcontinental peacefools.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 11 Dec 2021 02:04

I have seen this happen twice over the last 10 or 12 yrs in gulf countries when i was transiting through their airports, once in Doha another time in Dubai. People (either Pakis, Banglas or Indians) trying to lay the prayer mat on floor and trying to pray in the busy corridors of terminals were removed by security within minutes. Not sure what these people were thinking trying to pull a similar stunt of "power projection" they do in many Indian towns and cities every friday but the airport security in both places were having none of it. They don't dare do these things in other Islamic countries what they do in India and get away with. Imagine someone like fake news Zubair running a 24x7 propaganda against the rulers of KSA or UAE, he'll have a hot iron up his musharraf in some dark dungeon but in India such cretins are invited to TV studios and youtube channels.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 11 Dec 2021 03:14

Rsatchi wrote:
Neela wrote:

Whether they ilke it or not, those holding public positions should be held to extremely high standards . . Unbelievable rot!
Precisely Neelaji
Though I am not a great fan of Khan system of democracy at least there every one has to stand for an election and after a term are kicked out if not performing or graft etc be it DA, Chief Of Police, Judge, Senator or a President.
Every two bit *&^%$hole in the country stands for an election and gets elected if he has family/money/party power.
Now the Police and DC's nobody can touch them as they have the 'Unobtanium' the IAS/IPS.
l:

Saar SC judges in Khan land are appointed for life. atleast ours retire.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 11 Dec 2021 04:40

^^but judges are scanned thoroughly so that they are not corrupt regardless of their affiliation or whether they are to the right or left of centre

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 11 Dec 2021 04:41

Just watched Justice Gogoi ripping apart S Jain on rndtv

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 11 Dec 2021 04:56

Rsatchi wrote: Just watched Justice Gogoi ripping apart S Jain on rndtv

We were lucky to have him as cji, wish he continued for a few more yrs

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Dec 2021 05:14

Rsatchi wrote:^^but judges are scanned thoroughly so that they are not corrupt regardless of their affiliation or whether they are to the right or left of centre

Corruption in Khan land takes a different form.

disha · Post by **disha** » 11 Dec 2021 06:10

The untimely demise of Gen Rawat overshadowed some discussions that were ongoing in this thread.

Namely, every 3rd week there will be a current issue where Mudi_Will_Lose_2024 elections and hence will duly rezine. Note that the elections dates for 2024 have not been assigned yet and the government cannot be always in campaign mode.

First, it was rising petrol and diesel prices. Given that the GOI announced a cut in excise duty, the prices in Guj (a BJP ruled state) compared to Mah and Raj (Non-BJP ruled states), of petrol and diesel showed a marked difference. As much as 15%. That is, a voter in Raj now will BlameModi in 2024 for petrol prices being low in Gujarat.

Since such a line is so unconvincing without assuming that the average voter is stupid, that plank to do Mudi_will_lose_2024 whine was lost.

BJP *lost* the municipal elections in Tripura. Or did it? Since it was not mentioned, I think the usual suspects lost another opportunity to do Mudi_will_lose_2024 whinefest.

Of course, revoking of the 3 Farm Laws now puts a dent on the credibility of the leader. So the whiners are emboldened. But they cannot say that Mudi will lose 2024 because of revoking the 3-laws. If they do, that means the law was popular and the Khalistanis were in the wrong and hence the 3-laws were justified by their own admission.

In between, it was floated that Mudi is changing the face of Varanasi and Baba Vishwanath will never ever ever never forgive Mudi and Mudi will be punished.

After the fotos of the Kashi Vishwanath corridor started coming and glowing reports of how Baba Vishwanath is being freed from dingy dirty cramped lanes, all the usual suspects slinked back into a corner doing a chuski ( chuski - something you suck, generally a flavoured crushed ice or a lollypop). Not sure what chuski they are doing, but the Liberandu who introduced the word chuski to national psyche

and her night soil carriers have slinked into a corner doing a different kind of chuski https://twitter.com/AnooBhu/status/1400347989995003904.

A very sad state of affairs indeed.

In the process, forum members who were clamoring that Mudi must learn to put the #mediapimps in place are forgetting that the older user suspects, yes Darkha Butt, Cat5Moron, Boxer have lost the narrative. One of them is called a National Panauti. Otherwise called Govinda, the panauti brings disaster to whoever she is seen with. So much so that lately the Panauti got promoted to Panauti-in-chief and has become an international meme.

Of course, now the clamor is "Free Hindu Temples (from Government Control)". Well, free Hindu temples into what? Is there a framework for receivership of Hindu temples by the community for such "freed" temples?

Let me digress a bit. I studied SSC in a community school aided by the government. The community manages the school. So far the community have lost all the retirement funds of the teachers (yes there is no accountability). The names of the original founders of the school have been relegated since a big wig paid an immense donation to put his deceased wife's name on the school. The lady in question did not know anything about education nor did she contribute to the welfare of girl students at the school. This community school has some illustrious alumni. One of them went on to have an illustrious career with some 5-7 patents rising from a very humble background. Guess who is honored in the school corridor? A drunkard who died due to cirrhosis of the liver, since his father could buy out the entire corridor of the school complete with the bust of the drunkard wayward son. Imagine the role model the young kids are shown. This is just the community school. Regarding the community temple, that's another story. The gold of the community temple was replaced by silver in a gold patina a couple of decades back. The trustee was in US with his family and his wife had some medical treatment done at that time. The daughter was given all sorts of awards as if she was the next Sakuntala Devi+Tessy Thomas+Nirmala Seetharaman combined. The daughter is now a grandmother of two at the ripe old age of 48 (she ran away from her 11th grade).

And hence when ppl clamor on free Hindu temples to the community, I do wonder that without a proper framework how such temples will be managed why the clamor? To replace one set of thieves with another set? What are they doing the chuski on?

Of course now the croak is about controlling the judges. And how Mudi failed to enforce the NJAC. Interesting. I do not understand then what is this churn then https://swarajyamag.com/insta/collegium ... amendments

During a debate on the High Court and Supreme Court Judges (Salaries and Conditions of Service) Amendment Bill 2021, the Union Law Minister said that there has been significant support for the NJAC and added that even retired judges have written to him against the the Collegium system of appointment of higher court judges.

Rijiju said that many retired judges and Supreme Court Bar Association have written to him stating the "Collegium system of appointment of judges is incorrect, non-transparent and lacks accountability”.

Some MPs from the opposition too have indicated support for the reintroduction of the NJAC Bill if the government makes the desired changes and tables it in the parliament.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 11 Dec 2021 06:21

Disha saar, that was one hilarious post! Excellent points as always. Regarding freeing temples, I would always wonder how, what and whom type of questions. Like you said, there's exists no Hindu political community that actively and to a great degree honestly, servers Hindu interests. Simply based on corresponding institutions like Vatican or Al Azhar. It would make more sense for BJP/RSS and hopefully VHP to grow manifold and then hopefully setup some framework for Hindus so that the shrines can be transferred out of government control. But this needs to happen fast. By the time planning phase begins, actions etc...it would way too late. EJs would be standing in my courtyard.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 11 Dec 2021 07:42

Rsatchi wrote: Just watched Justice Gogoi ripping apart S Jain on rndtv

Well, Justice Gogoi did not come prepared for the interview. S. Jain, as usual, used twisted words.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Dec 2021 08:17

we need a command and control structure that is transparent, tenure limited, and inclusive, leaving no caste out or in domination

we need to avoid seers, mutt heads, and politicos/ex babooze in the management structure. Seers are the keepers of the traditions, domain experts in the technical aspects, like aspects of agamas and of the ritual processes and the procedures part of temple management but a great majority have shady connections, extra domain ambitions, and only a few are truly of the right stuff.

obviously, there will be many factions and vested interests seeking to dominate majorly because of the financial aspects.

The current contretemps between two pillars of the democracy with a third pillar obviously gradually building up to fully support and aid one pillar in the tug of war, has been intensifying.

Modi is an intelligent risk taker, has a clear vision and he is the master of the unpredictable and he has some options now

He could still call early elections, advancing the date by as much as 1-2 years

that would leave a lot of his opposition flatfooted and with less than anticipated funds.

Among other things, it would also negate mumtaz banoo's only advantage of not having to worry about her state for five years and thus allowing her the freedom to concentrate on the general elections. She could easily allow her nephew to be the defacto CM while she gets her ducks in a row and puts together a coalition to manage the opposition space.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Dec 2021 08:22

Vayutuvan wrote:
Rsatchi wrote: Just watched Justice Gogoi ripping apart S Jain on rndtv
Well, Justice Gogoi did not come prepared for the interview. S. Jain, as usual, used twisted words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdTLSIIFxpI

Justice Gogoi: NDTV interview

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 11 Dec 2021 08:44

What kind of jounalism is this - taunting a former CJI - unbelievable that this is acceptable!!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Dec 2021 09:35

V_Raman wrote:What kind of jounalism is this - taunting a former CJI - unbelievable that this is acceptable!!

Why, saar? Either nobody is above criticism, or not.

In any case, we've seen the likes of Prashant Bhushan and Dushyant Dave run roughshod over and have their merry way with the likes of serving SC justices in open court, after all. No?

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 11 Dec 2021 10:06

It is not the what - it is the how - Journalist should always come across as respectful of the position and be unflinchingly polite.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Dec 2021 10:29

V_Raman wrote:It is not the what - it is the how - Journalist should always come across as respectful of the position and be unflinchingly polite.

+1. The same turd will be obsequious when interviewing a chonia ghandy or a dimran khan. only. chee.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 11 Dec 2021 10:51

Man what is this power Ghandy's have over these lutyens types?! unbelievable!!

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 11 Dec 2021 12:00

They know who can exercise power ruthlessly and who doesn't.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 11 Dec 2021 12:12

Cyrano wrote:They know who can exercise power ruthlessly and who doesn't.

Cut the C***, BIF has a very strong international Backing, you can choose to ignore that the place where you live funds some very mean people in India.

Almost the entire BIF system families are located in "Western Democracies" and many of them spend summers and sabaticals there. This is a many generation hafta system.

It takes time to clean up the system and get leverage. Asking BJP to do a final charge is suicide at this moment. You can call it cowardice whatever you want , but it is like Alfred Nobel who minted money blowing up people by selling Dynamite and is honored for the World peace prize in his name, which a few scandinavian people give and world should fawn over them. Thats how the current world order is, and it take time to set a lot of things which are wrong,

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 11 Dec 2021 13:08

https://twitter.com/rajivtuli69/status/ ... 63331?s=20

rajiv tuli
@rajivtuli69
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3h
PFI SDPI goons forcefully blocked and send the ED officials back , with shouting slogans against central government, Army Chief and saying that We don't want Army and any CDS " Our protection in the hands of Allah "

Video also available at that tweet. Doesn't look good for nat'l law enforcement if non-BJP (BIF?) state govts can hinder them willy-nilly with ideological rent-a-riot walas. Only.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Dec 2021 15:14

V_Raman wrote:What kind of jounalism is this - taunting a former CJI - unbelievable that this is acceptable!!

If he is not one of them as he proved that he was not, after the Ayodhya judgment, then.................

It's called "speaking truth to power" or other such nasha induced phrases that seem to roll so wokely off their glibly lying tongues

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Dec 2021 19:11

some print media carry full page cheeni ads and malign India in the name of FOE, FOS, and freedom of the press.

BIF controlled anti India gaddars

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Dec 2021 19:22

is there something wrong with these ISRO guys or is there something that we are missing............

signing an agreement with a cheeni company controlled by the cheeni military

@timesofindia
Isro signs pact with Oppo India to provide NavIC msg service in mobiles
http://toi.in/1pLjBb0/a24gk

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 Dec 2021 19:41

chalta hai attitude, no one cares.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 11 Dec 2021 22:13

chetak wrote:some print media carry full page cheeni ads and malign India in the name of FOE, FOS, and freedom of the press.

...

Chetak ji, while agreeing with you, I don't think the word martyr is used in Indian army. Apparently because the term has religious connotations (martyr in Christianity, Shaheed in Islam, shahadat in Sikhism). The Indian military uses Killed in action or Killed in the line of duty. This clarification was recently given by the ministry. I remember reading about it recently....

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 11 Dec 2021 23:11

That's correct. Shaheed is the term that designates a muslim who dies killing kaafirs. Doing so he attains Shahaadat. If he survives after killing kaafirs he is called a Ghazi.

martyr (n.)
"one who bears testimony to faith," especially "one who willingly suffers death rather than surrender his or her religious faith," specifically "one of the Christians who in former times were put to death because they would not renounce their beliefs," late Old English martyr, from Late Latin martyr, (source also of Old French martir, Spanish martir, Italian martire, etc.), from Doric Greek martyr, earlier martys (genitive martyros), in Christian use "martyr," literally "witness."

Both are totally inappropriately used in India due to corruption of language and a lazy culture lacking scholarship on the part of media writers and anchors.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 11 Dec 2021 23:43

chetak wrote:is there something wrong with these ISRO guys or is there something that we are missing............

signing an agreement with a cheeni company controlled by the cheeni military

Saar, it’s an agreement to enable them to receive broadcast messages that NAVIC sends. This is not a bidirectional service as far as I am aware. This is a good thing, the more handsets that support this, the better for the user in long run. The service is mainly used to send life saving alerts, so is not a SMS type of thing.

ISRO should have more of these agreements..

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 12 Dec 2021 00:00

^^ I was thinking the same -- this is a good move by ISRO

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Dec 2021 07:54

chetak wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote: Well, Justice Gogoi did not come prepared for the interview. S. Jain, as usual, used twisted words.
[youtube...]FdTLSIIFxpI[/youtube]

Thanks for this link. I looked at the two short clips NDTV tweeted. In those two, Justice Gogoi did not come out swinging.