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At some time in the future, it is possible that India may be forced to use NavIC for mid course missile guidance corrections, targeting information, etc.

The idea and the push to develop NavIC germinated when the amerikis denied the use of the GPS to India, primarily to the IAF, during the kargil ops, just to prevent the targeting of paki positions.

The GPS signals in India, as indeed in the rest of the world, is corrupted by an intentionally introduced jitter that degrades the accuracy. It requires a special MIL grade GPS receiver to remove the jitter and extract the very accurate signals used by the US military and its allies, and as we all know, the US military and its allies are notoriously fickle, especially when it comes to the brown sahibs

to blindly assume that GPS, GLONASS, etc will be available to India during emergency situations would not only be counterproductive but also foolish on our part. Satellite based nav signals are vulnerable and can be tampered with, especially when long endurance drones are so easily available.

its primary objective is to provide reliable position, navigation and timing services, with ‘fairly good’ accuracy to the user.

during kargil, in an obvious paki friendly move, the amerikis had selectively blanked out the GPS signals over kargil/cashmere so that the IAF was denied its use.

to go and willingly place such critical assets in the hands of the chinks is beyond belief and also strategically shortsighted. The chinks are smart enough to figure out the rest of the tech details, especially when given the tail of the elephant by India

the chinks have a history of buying off employees in foreign companies, stealing data and other IP.

Xiaomi had announced a similar tie-up with ISRO in 2020

The dual-frequency GNSS receiver is confirmed in both xiaomi and oppo phones and they already have/come with A-GPS and A-GLONASS support for turn by turn navigation.

We are needlessly tempting fate






Security concerns over ISRO-Oppo tie-up


Security concerns over ISRO-Oppo tie-up

Abhinandan Mishra
December 11, 2021,


Experts believe that the research and development team of Oppo, which is headquartered in China, will now be able to access the data generated by NavIC.


New Delhi: Even as the Indian military is engaged in a prolonged border stand-off with China, an exercise which is draining the national exchequer by more than Rs 100 crore a day, India’s premier space organisation, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) on Friday signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Oppo mobile whose registered office is in Dongguan, China.

Under this MoU, ISRO and Oppo India will work together on the research and further development of the NavIC messaging service. Oppo will use this NavIC based messaging service in its phones that will be sold in India in the future.

The Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System (IRNSS), which is known more commonly by its operational name, NavIC (acronym for NAVigation with Indian Constellation) is an autonomous regional satellite navigation system that generates accurate real-time positioning and timing services. The development of this system was approved by Government of India (GoI) in May 2013 to prevent the repeat of what the Indian military faced during the Kargil war, when their request to access foreign government-controlled global navigation satellite systems were denied by the owner countries including the United States.

Following this MoU, Oppo will now build ready to use, end to end application-specific solutions by integrating NavIC messaging service with its mobile handset platform.

The NavIC system provides regional navigation services covering the Indian mainland. It also covers an area of up to 1,500 km beyond the Indian mainland. Other than location services, the NavIC technology is also capable of broadcasting short messages, or popularly known as SOS. Oppo phones currently rely on GPS and the Chinese owned Beidou global positioning services.

“Under our latest MoU, we will support ISRO with our industry-leading R&D capabilities to provide a seamless experience to the users of the NavIC application. In line with our vision towards Make in India, Oppo will invest in further scaling the product with its competitive and experienced R&D team. To benefit our users and the government,” Oppo India said in a press note.

While the details of the MoU were not shared by the ISRO or Oppo, experts believe that the research and development team of Oppo, which is headquartered in China, will now be able to access the data generated by NavIC. Another Chinese headquartered mobile company, Xiaomi had announced a similar tie-up with ISRO in 2020

Oppo Mobile India’s revenue from operations for the fiscal ended 31 March 2020 has increased by 79% to Rs 38,574.5 crore from Rs 21,524.6 crore in the previous fiscal, as per media reports. The company’s advertising promotional expenses in the same year more than doubled to Rs 2,276.5 crore from Rs 1,111.6 crore. Oppo had an 11% share of the Indian smartphone market in 2020 with a shipment of 16.5 million handsets.

The Sunday Guardian’s emails to the office of the ISRO chairman and his subordinate officers seeking their response on the issue including what, if any, security audit and analysis has been done before signing this MoU, did not elicit any response.

However, this development has given rise to serious concerns among officials who are working in the security establishment. A senior intelligence officer, who is posted in an Eastern country, questioned the move by the ISRO to enter into an MoU at a time when China was threatening India with its full might and when the PLA had in June last year killed 20 Indian soldiers. “This is ridiculous. The bureaucrats should have looked into it and intervened,” he said.
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The sooner this ISRO head is replaced the better.
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Cyrano wrote:The sooner this ISRO head is replaced the better.
Can NavIC have features where it can introduce jitters ?
Do ISRO has the capability of blanking out the signals where they want it denied ?
Is Oppo and Xiaomi have the mil grade signal receivers or low grade receivers ?
Does getting access to GPS or GLOSNASS signals make them vulnerable ?
Which Indian companies are working to chips and software to make NavIC available ?

I guess we need to be more informed before we go for chief's head.
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The agreement in the report is NOT for positioning signals but is for NAVIC broadcast messaging. Different things. One can argue whether we should be entering into contacts with Chinese companies, but that’s a different discussion.

Isro seems to have serious issues with its launches. Everyone has started launching after covid…everyone except Isro. How much of that is due to the chief’s policies or lack thereof is debatable.
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Repeat offender under Temple Entry Authorisation Act - Jagir Hussein's entry into Srirangam Temple is defended by prestitute & anti-Hindu SM.

HRCE Minister @PKSekarbabu is saying no one should approach Temples from "religious perspective".

Are they secular institutions?

@Ethirajans· 10h

A probe has been ordered into the issue and action likely against the one who stopped Zakir, if proven true.

Is it illegal to ask HRCE to enforce what is written on this board by none other than HRCE?

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chetak wrote:Repeat offender under Temple Entry Authorisation Act - Jagir Hussein's entry into Srirangam Temple is defended by prestitute & anti-Hindu SM.


Chetakji - Why should anyone be stopped from praying?
One can go to temples, churches, masjids, gurudwaras, synagogues across India and most of the world. People do it all the time. In this aspect they are all 'secular'. As long as proper etiquette and local custom is followed why should anyone object?
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Yayavar wrote:
chetak wrote:Repeat offender under Temple Entry Authorisation Act - Jagir Hussein's entry into Srirangam Temple is defended by prestitute & anti-Hindu SM.


Chetakji - Why should anyone be stopped from praying?
One can go to temples, churches, masjids, gurudwaras, synagogues across India and most of the world. People do it all the time. In this aspect they are all 'secular'. As long as proper etiquette and local custom is followed why should anyone object?
Yayavar saab,

why make rules if they are not being followed

the rules have been made by the govt after some consideration and a legal notice has been put up attesting to this fact.

why object to namaz on roads, after all, aren't they are just praying too. why not simply adjust your life to their agenda for about 2-3 hours every friday as I am sure they will also be equally accommodating of your requirements

BTW, it was a local who objected, pointing to the same sign board

The proper etiquette and local customs do not say that let anyone and everyone inside

such ideas of democracy and sickularism end at the entrance to the temple which is a living emblem of the cultural, religious, and civilizational costructs of a specific heritage and belief system.

If all that keen, one not of the faith should stand with reverence and pray from outside the temple (and no one will object), our gods have excellent hearing but our people have foolishly adjusted for many centuries without reciprocity and are now finally saying enough is enough

or no one stops him from converting onlee.
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chetak wrote:
Yayavar wrote:

Chetakji - Why should anyone be stopped from praying?
One can go to temples, churches, masjids, gurudwaras, synagogues across India and most of the world. People do it all the time. In this aspect they are all 'secular'. As long as proper etiquette and local custom is followed why should anyone object?
Yayavar saab,

why make rules if they are not being followed

the rules have been made by the govt after some consideration and a legal notice has been put up attesting to this fact.

why object to namaz on roads, after all, aren't they are just praying too. why not simply adjust your life to their agenda for about 2-3 hours every friday as I am sure they will also be equally accommodating of your requirements

BTW, it was a local who objected, pointing to the same sign board

The proper etiquette and local customs do not say that let anyone and everyone inside
There is a difference between entry to a place of worship and following the ritual and etiquette vs disrupting others by praying on roads.
The local activist and the board are in the wrong.
This is like the periodic news about Yesudas being denied entry to some temples. If he was not famous the man could have gone in and no one would have objected.
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Yayavar wrote:
chetak wrote:
Yayavar saab,

why make rules if they are not being followed

the rules have been made by the govt after some consideration and a legal notice has been put up attesting to this fact.

why object to namaz on roads, after all, aren't they are just praying too. why not simply adjust your life to their agenda for about 2-3 hours every friday as I am sure they will also be equally accommodating of your requirements

BTW, it was a local who objected, pointing to the same sign board

The proper etiquette and local customs do not say that let anyone and everyone inside
There is a difference between entry to a place of worship and following the ritual and etiquette vs disrupting others by praying on roads.
The local activist and the board are in the wrong.
This is like the periodic news about Yesudas being denied entry to some temples. If he was not famous the man he could have gone in and no one would have objected.
we both have our points of view.

That's democracy.

let us agree to disagree.
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The Veergati of General Bipin Rawat and 11 other bravehearts and Sreemati Rawat in that helicopter "Accident" will prove to be defining moment in the history of this century and modern history of the world. It will lead to break up of pakistan and china in multiple countries and complete change in the world order as it exists today. it is my prediction.
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Similar restrictions exist in many south indian temples. Like guruvayoor, Padmanabha Swamy temple in Thiruvananthapuram etc...

Temples are NOT secular places.

Other religions have their restrictions too. Mecca for example. You can't enter some areas in Vatican if you are not a catholic.

The point is, don't come into my home and impose your rules. If you don't like the rules, don't come. No one will miss you. If you like my home so much, change your faith and enter.

These rules may have come about to not let the non Hindus see what's inside and either criticize the rituals to convert or to covet the wealth to plunder.

Unless a specific institution decides to change rules of its own accord, no one can force it.

If you think its discriminatory, then why visit such a reprehensible place?

People understand this argument even for restaurants and gentlemen's clubs but not for temples. I find that funny!
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Chetak wrote:
the rules have been made by the govt
Not true. The rules are usually made by temple managements according to their sampradayas and traditions surrounding the deity being worshipped. Most Hindus instinctively get it and see it not as discrimination but unsuitability of the person/dress/conduct/qualification/competence to the nature of the deity and the place of worship.

For instance no sensible Hindu will argue why he can't go into the sanctum sanctorum and touch the deity. Afterall isn't that also a form of discrimination between (brahmin) priests and the rest?

Nor will they argue that women of all ages must be allowed in Sabarimala or nonveg offerings must be accepted in all temples etc...

If one rule is made out to be arbitrarily discriminatory, then every rule can be. If all rules can thus be broken then why have temples, why have such an arbitrary religion at all? Just see how subtle this type of attack is on Hinduism !
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Yayavar wrote:
chetak wrote:
Yayavar saab,

why make rules if they are not being followed

the rules have been made by the govt after some consideration and a legal notice has do not say that let anyone and everyone inside
There is a difference between entry to a place of worship and following the ritual and etiquette vs disrupting others by praying on roads.
The local activist and the board are in the wrong.
This is like the periodic news about Yesudas being denied entry to some temples. If he was not famous the man could have gone in and no one would have objected.
Yayavarji - All Spaces within the land are subject to law that delegates to specific entities. For example :

Roads have quorum and rules that keep us all safe and help us get to destination. It is not meant for namaz no matter how secular the road is...there is an explicit and implicit understanding of quorum.

Temples, gurdwara, mosques are spaces governed by individual bodies that define laws and quorum. For example, when I go to a gurdwara, I borrow a white cloth and tie it on my head as it is the quorum. The "hindu requirement " is an implicit I understand and agree with the quorum. For example I cannot go inside a mosque and pray in the ladies section or say my God is in the east and use a different direction even though philosophically it is hard to say either action is wrong. Or sit and do namasankirtanam in a church as it is an appropriate thing to do by an individual with a different belief system.The issue is no one has the energy or the need to teach the quorum to anyone else. The same as if one is in the wrong side of the road - no one has to teach anyone.. before the use of the space, it is the law to understand what it entails. Since we are sickular we dont teach anyone about the quorum and there is only one way to keep quorum.

For every rule there can be exceptions- but a society cannot organize itself without laws. For example, if someone became legally blind by accident , but has a driver's license how do you pull it out of him/her unless they do a mistake? Or can we guarantee that after a certain age every individual is careful on the road?

It is a good thing that Jesudas was allowed in guruvayur - it cannot be a right for everyone by default.

On a philosophical level, even atheists can be good Hindus, I believe god is in every animate and inanimate thing around me . By sastra , I cannot mix para-dharma and vyavaharika dharma . For example, para dharma says show the other cheek when someone slaps you, but vyavaharika dharma says do something else...only hindus get confused between the two and try to hug everyone
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Temples have been burned down to the ground, or "repurposed," idols have been broken, desecrated, and carried away as playthings. Many temples in S. India still have tunnels to carry away the idols to safety at the first sign of trouble. Just two years ago, the Atthivaradhar temple in Kanchi displayed its main deity again after forty years. The idol there (made of fig wood - hence "atthi") is kept submerged for forty years, and then briefly displayed, before being submerged again. Why? To keep it safe from maraudering hordes.

So screaming "discrimination" is moot here. There are sound reasons not to allow non-Hindus into temples, their intentions are suspect.
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as khujliwal himself always says...........

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Sad to see Telugu land produce such a worthy!
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Cyrano wrote:For instance no sensible Hindu will argue why he can't go into the sanctum sanctorum and touch the deity. Afterall isn't that also a form of discrimination between (brahmin) priests and the rest?
Exactly this has been argued in a temple of whose board of Trustee I was a founding member. You don't know the woke stuff people have to show in the US to feel that they are part of this society. We also had a denouncement of some incident in Australia where a gunman went into a mosque and shot people.

There is also a new survey of college students by Axios in where they were asked whether they would date people who hold a different political view from theirs. A resounding majority - from the woke left - said they would not date a person who is not "liberal". But the same feeling is not prevalent in non-"liberals". So only "liberals" can increase their numbers through procreation.

Anything to look cool seems to be the motto, even in India. So you have a large number of NOTA voters.
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That is an interesting report. I doubt conservatives would not object to marrying liberals. This must be based on self report. Perhaps liberals are merely more honest.

As someone who is perhaps described as liberal, I would be uncomfortable, and likely impotent, with a gay bashing, stridently religious, social Darwinist.
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Yayavar wrote:
chetak wrote:Repeat offender under Temple Entry Authorisation Act - Jagir Hussein's entry into Srirangam Temple is defended by prestitute & anti-Hindu SM.


Chetakji - Why should anyone be stopped from praying?
One can go to temples, churches, masjids, gurudwaras, synagogues across India and most of the world. People do it all the time. In this aspect they are all 'secular'. As long as proper etiquette and local custom is followed why should anyone object?
Because temple authorities cant afford constant security to prevent bad faith actors from entering and attacking/damaging their heritage. You are making arguments which completely ignore the reality of India wherein people actively attack the Hindu faith's core tenets. As such this move protects heritage at the cost of denying genuinely secular, well-meaning folks the chance to observe darshan.
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Cyrano wrote:Sad to see Telugu land produce such a worthy!
Every place has such worthies. They don't define the place.

On the other hand Telugu land also produced Col Santosh Babu.
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I just read the responses to my original response to Chetak on the blocking of a Muslim Bharatnatyam dancer to Srirangam temple.

Actually my thinking is along the same issue Karan pointed - the reality is temple authorities cannot afford to police the entries. At rush hour there is absolutely no way and even otherwise the people look the same, dress the same. Hence the only way one gets stopped is if one is a well-known Yesudas or someone recognizes a Zakir Hussain. Otherwise anyone who wants to - to pray or out of curiosity or evil intent can enter anyway - whether there is a policy or not.

Otherwise either you need to police the entry through some valid means (ID cards?) or someone recognizes a known non-hindu or someone does something objectionable. The latter will always be true anywhere and is irrelevant to the policy.

Rather in my view Yesudas or other indic culture practitioners like Zakir hussain or any of the others who have the shradhdha irrespective of the religion are the silent support BRF wants to find. Would we block swargiya shri George Sudarshan if he wanted to come or Swargiya president Abdul Kalam? We know their belief in vedantism even if they were non-Hindu.

Those that have destroyed in the past are gone; and those that can disrupt nowadays will do irrespective of a board stating don't enter or whether there is a non-enforceable policy in place.
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Yayavar wrote:I just read the responses to my original response to Chetak on the blocking of a Muslim Bharatnatyam dancer to Srirangam temple.

Actually my thinking is along the same issue Karan pointed - the reality is temple authorities cannot afford to police the entries. At rush hour there is absolutely no way and even otherwise the people look the same, dress the same. Hence the only way one gets stopped is if one is a well-known Yesudas or someone recognizes a Zakir Hussain. Otherwise anyone who wants to - to pray or out of curiosity or evil intent can enter anyway - whether there is a policy or not.

Otherwise either you need to police the entry through some valid means (ID cards?) or someone recognizes a known non-hindu or someone does something objectionable. The latter will always be true anywhere and is irrelevant to the policy.

Rather in my view Yesudas or other indic culture practitioners like Zakir hussain or any of the others who have the shradhdha irrespective of the religion are the silent support BRF wants to find. Would we block swargiya shri George Sudarshan if he wanted to come or Swargiya president Abdul Kalam? We know their belief in vedantism even if they were Muslim.

Those that have destroyed in the past are gone; and those that can disrupt nowadays will do irrespective of a board stating don't enter or whether there is a non-enforceable policy in place.
This is a strawman argument

The question is why should a non Hindu be allowed to enter a temple. The non Hindu may desire anything he/she pleases, it matters not a whit to us. The non Hundu may be a celebrity....so what, it still does not justify his/her entry

That some people do/can enter by deceit is no justification to say let all be allowed

if one prays 5 times a day for the destruction of "kaffirs", are such "kafirs" expected to be understanding or accommodating when such people intrude into their privacy by trespassing into their hallowed and holy places

why should anyone who does not believe in our gods or religion be allowed to pray in a Hindu temple, and to what end.

To even justify such cultural and religious arrogance by these interlopers is astounding

They should not be allowed entry, period.

First and foremost, Hinduism is an ancient religion of such multi dimensionality, spiritual magnificence, a very long standing cultural ethos, and a munificience of philosophical diversity that it may also be seen as a way of life because it is the Sanatana Dharma, which means eternal faith, or the eternal way things are (truth). For the Hindus, it's also an ideal way to live, because it is based on Dharma, doing the right thing under the given circumstances.

There are many jokers who say that Hinduism is merely a way of life, and the Hindu's have no religious rights because some robed moron somewhere said so and thus, every commie, abrahamic, wokes, and liberandus and his/her uncle insists on seeing the Hindu as the "unreached" who will thus benefit from the paigambar's "revealed words" and be brought into their god's fold by harvesting his/her soul

Whereas we don't impose on others, we mind our own business and we prefer to keep to ourselves, civilizationally speaking, of course and we are not paigambars like the abrahamics who sell prophets and their "revealed" words. We are seekers of the eternal truth. These are ideals that we need to fiercely internalize, protect and preserve.

legal, illegal, deceit, good, evil, curiosity, tourist, celebrity et al are only after the fact.

For each problem, there is a legal remedy but one cannot simply ignore, or negate Hindu rights on such specious grounds to say we must allow all others because otherwise, log kya kahenge...
who have the shradhdha irrespective of the religion are the silent support BRF wants to find.
this needs to be revisited, one suspects that one may be in for quite a surprise, not only on the forum but all over the country as well as in the offshore diaspora.

BTW, shraddha doesn't mean doormat, house nigger, or slave. especially not after shaheenbagh, and jinnah wali aazadi, it is time to assert ourselves, rally the community, and not talk loosely about allowing all to enter Hindu temples.

The sustained national and nationalistic reaction to the demise of the iconic CDS Gen Rawat is a clue, as well as, the wholesale revulsion towards those who posted depraved comments on social media.

The massive outpouring of grief is a clear indicator of how the hitherto "silent" majority actually feels and reacts tellingly when needed.

Hindus go to temples to pray and many also to find some peace and tranquility in their busy working day. No Hindu wants to find a non Hindu next to him/her in the temple, arrogantly and inconsiderately occupying, and by occupying, they are actively disrespecting the holy space where the Hindu's right to solace is rudely interrupted causing disharmony.
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His speech definitely looks like shifting of gears, direct reference to Aurangzeb is like a direct attack. This is I think first time he has done this after becoming PM. Lets hope he creats and maintain momentum after this.
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vivekmehta wrote:His speech definitely looks like shifting of gears, direct reference to Aurangzeb is like a direct attack. This is I think first time he has done this after becoming PM. Lets hope he creats and maintain momentum after this.
I hope so too. But there was ample 'balance' to be found by invoking sekularism in the self-same speech as well, so wouldn't expect any deviation from status quo.

He made repeated refs to sikh gurus and their daan plus balidaan for Kashi vishwanath. The ref to Ahalyabai Holkar was expected, sure.

All said n done, this is a great day. Congrats all, and Kudos!
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Cyrano wrote:Chetak wrote:
the rules have been made by the govt
Not true. The rules are usually made by temple managements according to their sampradayas and traditions surrounding the deity being worshipped. Most Hindus instinctively get it and see it not as discrimination but unsuitability of the person/dress/conduct/qualification/competence to the nature of the deity and the place of worship.

For instance no sensible Hindu will argue why he can't go into the sanctum sanctorum and touch the deity. Afterall isn't that also a form of discrimination between (brahmin) priests and the rest?

Nor will they argue that women of all ages must be allowed in Sabarimala or nonveg offerings must be accepted in all temples etc...

If one rule is made out to be arbitrarily discriminatory, then every rule can be. If all rules can thus be broken then why have temples, why have such an arbitrary religion at all? Just see how subtle this type of attack is on Hinduism !

this is the vindictive dravidian mentality that you are being confronted with, BIF mandated separatists who think no end of themselves.

the administration of Hindu temples in TN is tyrannical, arbitrary and it is meant specifically to subjugate the Hindus and destroy their history and culture

these cryptos have no respect for the law

@trramesh

DMK @arivalayam Govt amended Temple Entry Rules(see pic.) in 1970 to allow nonHindus inside temples with "strict conditions".

Madras High Court struck down the Rule 4-A.

Now HRCE Minister says "a good decision" will be taken soon.


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Very good set of adverts by UP - fark saaf hai between pre-2017 and post. Along with the great work done for the Lalit Ghat to Kashi Vishwanath temple corridor hope this positive momentum will continue for a good outcome in 2022.
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I visited Kashi Vishwanath two days ago with SHQ and can testify that it is indeed a new place, a dream that has been a long time coming true. What a fabulous temple it now is.

What is very interesting is that the mosque has been 'hidden' behind a thirty foot high metal wall, so you don't see it looming over the temple as it did in the past, it has almost become irrelevant, almost.

What was sad though is the lone Nandi sitting some distance away from the Lingam, also not visible directly from the temple (at least for now).

Banaras (that is how I like to call it) is changing. Great job by the present government.
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vivekmehta wrote:His speech definitely looks like shifting of gears, direct reference to Aurangzeb is like a direct attack. This is I think first time he has done this after becoming PM. Lets hope he creats and maintain momentum after this.

maybe he has realized its time for offensive defence ?
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Primus wrote:I visited Kashi Vishwanath two days ago with SHQ and can testify that it is indeed a new place, a dream that has been a long time coming true. What a fabulous temple it now is.

What is very interesting is that the mosque has been 'hidden' behind a thirty foot high metal wall, so you don't see it looming over the temple as it did in the past, it has almost become irrelevant, almost.

What was sad though is the lone Nandi sitting some distance away from the Lingam, also not visible directly from the temple (at least for now).

Banaras (that is how I like to call it) is changing. Great job by the present government.
Thanks for the first hand report Primus. Watched on TV today. Very impressive.
From my visit - many many many moons ago - I carry the memory of the looming gyanvyapi mosque and messy streets. This is a beautiful turnover. Modi asked people to pledge cleaniless, Srijan - rebuilding/creating, and aatmanirbhar Bharat.
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Please post any pics you took if that is ok.
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Strange, i can't find even a single recent good quality photo or video of Banaras. There were scores of drone footage during covid spike of all the death and destruction.
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https://swarajyamag.com/culture/its-not ... an-do-both
It's Not Either-Or: PM Modi Showed India Doesn't Have To Choose Between Economic And Cultural Mega Projects; It Can Do Both
he Mahakaleshwar temple at Ujjain, Madhya Pradesh, was destroyed by Sultan Shams-ud-din Iltutmish in the thirteenth century and was rebuilt when Maratha power ascended. It was rebuilt by general Ranoji Shinde in eighteenth century.

The Hindu national consciousness pursued the goal for five centuries, and with the acquisition of political power, the temple was rebuilt.

The Trimbakeshwar Jyotirlinga temple near Nasik was also destroyed and was rebuilt by Peshwa Balaji Baji Rao. The Kashi Vishwanath temple itself was rebuilt and given its present form under the rule of Devi Ahilyabai Holkar in the late eighteenth century.

Somnath itself was rebuilt after Independence, and the first President attended its lokarpana function.

Unfortunately after that, 'development' in India meant distancing oneself from Hindu culture. Pilgrimage centres were given the bare minimum attention.

On the other hand, ‘secular’ attractions like the memorial museums and samadhis of certain political leaders became centres of attention. Yet, the temple towns, which were becoming increasingly dirty, continued to contribute more to ‘tourism’ than all the new ‘secular’ tourist destinations.
Today's new India is not only constructing the temple at Ayodhya but also constructing Medical Colleges in every district. Today's new India is not only renovating Kashi Vishwanath Dham but also building pukka houses for our poor. Today's India not only beautifies the Somnath temple but is also laying optical fibres in the sea. Today's India is not only renovating the Baba Kedarnath temple but is excelling in the space projects.
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If any idiot asks why we are building temples not Hospitals ... let them check this
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We had one AIIMS ... 6 were started by Vajpayee in 2003

one was started ITALIAN Gandhi in Raebareli in 2012

15 are announced and are completed/under construction

As of January 2021, 4 AIIMS still are under development. In November 2019, the health ministry stated that all 22 new AIIMS will be functional by February 2025
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look at these pictures from kashi and our prime minister. This great man will remain our prime minister as long as he wants. No one can defeat him. All calculations atkale useless .
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V_Raman wrote:Please post any pics you took if that is ok.
Raman Ji, there was a very heavy presence all over. We were walking towards the complex from Manikarnika Ghat and there was a metal wall preventing a view of the complex since that is at a lower level as you approach it. There were police guys all around and our guide told us not to take any pictures. I could however see Nandi sitting by himself and the mosque behind.

Within the complex, there are no cell phones allowed although the checking is not nearly as strict as at Ayodhya. So no pictures from there either. But what is amazing is how the entire space around the main sanctum is cleared, I felt I was in a different temple from the last time. The mosque is walled off with a metal barrier and is therefore not as intrusive as it used to be. In fact you cannot see it openly and you do feel that you are in a separate place of its own.

We did not have the time to do much on this visit. However, there is a new system in place now, you go to this office a short distance from the temple complex where you register for a 'VIP darshan' for Rs. 300, a priest then accompanies you to the temple where you are inserted in the line at the front and can do 'darshan', although it is limited to less than a minute. You are then anointed with a tilak by the head priest inside the sanctum and you leave, the young priest then takes you back to the office where you get prasad (can also buy more of this). The entire visit takes less than 15 minutes and nobody harasses you to make any payments anywhere.

It is an unfortunate tragedy of life where you as a 'rich' person can buy your way to the heart of a temple, but it is what it is, no different from Tirupathi devasthanam. In conrast, Sankat Mochan (my isht devata) temple is free of such an arrangement, as is Ram Lalla.

Will write more on our experience of Ayodhya, we visited that city as well last week.
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Har Har Mahadev! Kashi Vishwanath Dham - One of India’s holiest temples adorns a new grand look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ttgneWlI-E

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Primus wrote:It is an unfortunate tragedy of life where you as a 'rich' person can buy your way to the heart of a temple, but it is what it is, no different from Tirupathi devasthanam.
It is this philosophy (!?) of using one's wealth/connections to bribe their Gods which also damages the Hindu causes further. Due to this temples become large source of cash (often ill gotten wealth) and all and sundry now wants to be part of the temple to make some quick money. This becomes the primary motive for atheists, commies and other riff-raffs to get control of temple affairs. Temples like Sabari Mala in Kerala are now usurped by commies because the donations/money received in one pilgrimage season can sponsor some government departments for the entire year.
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