Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 08:42

John wrote:Looks like a bomber got taken out supposedly this too big to be Su-34 and some speculation it is Tu-160 (or may be a Tu-95 )

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1 ... EYAa2j6ZBw

https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/sta ... AhrnJqP-Xg

John, on what basis are we claiming that this is an aircraft of any type being shot down?

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 08:43

CNN is talking about it. Ukrainian military says it is missile and they have anti missile systems but def analyst (Ret US General)on CNN doesn’t believe and said it is most likely transport plane or a bomber.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 08:45

John wrote:CNN is talking about it. Ukrainian military says it is missile and they have anti missile systems but def analyst on CNN doesn’t believe and said it is most likely transport plane or a bomber.

So we are making claims based on what CNN is saying? Not being flippant, but all one can see is a large explosion in both those videos.

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 08:48

Rakesh wrote:
John wrote:CNN is talking about it. Ukrainian military says it is missile and they have anti missile systems but def analyst on CNN doesn’t believe and said it is most likely transport plane or a bomber.
So we are making claims based on what CNN is saying? Not being flippant, but all one can see is a large explosion in both those videos.

Don’t have much to go by the debris from it took out a apartment building, no missile can cause that much debris.

Looks like Ukrainians are contradicting one report says a Aircraft another says it is missile. We may get more info during daylight.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 08:50

John wrote:Don’t have much to go by the debris from it took out a apartment building, no missile can cause that much debris.

Looks like Ukrainian are contradicting one report says a Aircraft another says it is missile.

In light of those contradictions, don't you think it would be wise to wait for some official confirmation?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 08:52

John wrote:We may get more info during daylight.

Thank you for adding that bit in your post. Perhaps we all need *SOME* daylight before jumping to conclusions.

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 25 Feb 2022 08:54

John wrote:
Russian attempt to take the Airport went terribly wrong lost 2 Ka-52 along with many other helos and dozens of special forces.

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/14 ... cHmqhxwDwQ

This is a lie. When the CNN reporter reported first on the airport, the airport was already with Russian paratroopers. It was so early in the fight that he actually thought that these are Ukranian troops defending the airport. He checked with the troops and looked surprised. Ukranian troops were nowhere to be seen. No signs of any fight.

Video available at the CNN site.

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 08:55

Rakesh wrote:
John wrote:We may get more info during daylight.
Thank you for adding that bit in your post. Perhaps we all need *SOME* daylight before jumping to conclusions.

Yea but such a big explosion in heart of city was my point rather than what was shot down. Almost every news media picked it up.

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 08:56

CalvinH wrote:
John wrote:
Russian attempt to take the Airport went terribly wrong lost 2 Ka-52 along with many other helos and dozens of special forces.

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/14 ... cHmqhxwDwQ
This is a lie. When the CNN reporter reported first on the airport, the airport was already with Russian paratroopers. It was so early in the fight that he actually thought that these are Ukranian troops defending the airport. He checked with the troops and looked surprised. Ukranian troops were nowhere to be seen. No signs of any fight.

Video available at the CNN site.

That CNN report was more than 10 hrs old, looks like Airport has been taken back do you something that says other wise?

Looks like they claimed twice it was taken back but second time appeared to be correct.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 08:58

John wrote:Yea but such a big explosion in heart of city was my point rather than what was shot down. Almost every news media picked it up.

This is your original post below. Please tell me how is anyone expected to know that is your point? I see nothing about big explosion in the heart of a city in your post. You are claiming that either a Su-34, Tu-160 or Tu-95 got shot down. Where is the evidence of this?

John wrote:Looks like a bomber got taken out supposedly this too big to be Su-34 and some speculation it is Tu-160 (or may be a Tu-95 )

https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1 ... EYAa2j6ZBw

https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/sta ... AhrnJqP-Xg

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 25 Feb 2022 09:00

Aditya_V wrote:Can anybody tell me how can Putin get a victory here, he has now lost friends in Europe, put the Russian economy under bus. And if this conflict is long drawn loss of reputation . It does not look for Russia.

Few months ago there was a post on brf about USA having decided that there's no space for two superpowers in the Northern hemisphere. They have made up mind to destroy Russia and are going about it decisively. Team Putin sees this. They have nothing to lose.

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 09:01

Previous explosion has been confirmed that is Ukrainian Su-27 taken out a Russian SAM.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 09:02

John wrote:That CNN report was more than 10 hrs old, looks like Airport has been taken back do you something that says other wise?

Looks like they claimed twice it was taken back but second time appeared to be correct.

John, it would be best to stop posting unverified tweets and reports from CNN and wherever else.

As the saying goes, in war...truth is the first casualty. There will be lots of losses (on both sides) and lots of time to assess/verify the damages after this is all over and the dust settles. Lets not think like Pakistanis and get excited over 'X' number of aircraft shot down, so Russia (or Ukraine) is losing. War is won based on objectives met, not on airframe losses.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 09:02

John wrote:Previous explosion has been confirmed that is Ukrainian Su-27 taken out a Russian SAM.

Who confirmed this John? Source?

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 09:04

Rakesh wrote:
John wrote:Previous explosion has been confirmed that is Ukrainian Su-27 taken out a Russian SAM.
Who confirmed this John? Source?

CNN reported Ukrainian Interior Ministry confirmed it’s their plane.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 09:04

John wrote:CNN reported Ukrainian Interior Ministry confirmed it’s their plane.

So yet another CNN report? Ok

So a Ukranian Su-27 took down a Russian SAM or a Russian SAM took down a Ukranian Su-27? Your post is not clear.

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 25 Feb 2022 09:13

John wrote:
CalvinH wrote:
This is a lie. When the CNN reporter reported first on the airport, the airport was already with Russian paratroopers. It was so early in the fight that he actually thought that these are Ukranian troops defending the airport. He checked with the troops and looked surprised. Ukranian troops were nowhere to be seen. No signs of any fight.

Video available at the CNN site.
That CNN report was more than 10 hrs old, looks like Airport has been taken back do you something that says other wise?

Looks like they claimed twice it was taken back but second time appeared to be correct.

I was pointing to the report that says Russia lost this and that in taking the airport. The airport was taken without a fight. You bet the report is at least 12 hours old. Thats few hours after the invasion actually started. The airport is 25kms from the capital.

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 09:14

Rakesh wrote:
John wrote:CNN reported Ukrainian Interior Ministry confirmed it’s their plane.
So yet another CNN report? Ok

So a Ukranian Su-27 took down a Russian SAM or a Russian SAM took down a Ukranian Su-27? Your post is not clear.

Ukrainian Su-27 taken out by a Russian SAM fired from Kviv suburbs per Ukrainian Interior Mininstry. Buk M1 have been spotted moving with that unit which came from Belarus.

John · Post by **John** » 25 Feb 2022 09:16

US President Joe Biden told reporters Thursday the United States was “in consultation with India” on the issue of Ukraine and Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/uk ... index.html

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 09:20

John wrote:Ukrainian Su-27 taken out by a Russian SAM fired from Kviv suburbs per Ukrainian Interior Mininstry. Buk M1 have been spotted moving with that unit which came from Belarus.

I would be wary to believe anything either Russia or Ukraine says at this point in time. They will deflate and inflate losses depending on where the wind blows. Best to wait till the dust settles to decide who ultimately prevailed.

CNN is having an orgasmic euphoria doing reporting from Kyiv. They will obviously report everything with a Ukranian twist/angle. I would be wary to believe anything coming from CNN, BBC or any other Western media. Same is also true from the Russian side.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 25 Feb 2022 09:21

Morons on twitter getting swayed by Western Media.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 25 Feb 2022 09:22

In light of all the seriousness going on, some levity and humour is sorely needed.

Ease some tensions and blood pressure of many posters on BRF.

Enjoy (joke onlee from an unverified twitter handle!)

https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1496 ... VTfh1wtqHg ---> Breaking News: Imran Khan is ready to negotiate between Russia and Ukraine.....

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 25 Feb 2022 09:28

^^^ Immy knows Ukraine better than Ukrainians.

Maybe Putin wanted to learn abt post ww 2 surrender ceremony and invited niazi

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 25 Feb 2022 09:40

Rakesh wrote:
John wrote:Ukrainian Su-27 taken out by a Russian SAM fired from Kviv suburbs per Ukrainian Interior Mininstry. Buk M1 have been spotted moving with that unit which came from Belarus.
I would be wary to believe anything either Russia or Ukraine says at this point in time. They will deflate and inflate losses depending on where the wind blows. Best to wait till the dust settles to decide who ultimately prevailed.

CNN is having an orgasmic euphoria doing reporting from Kyiv. They will obviously report everything with a Ukranian twist/angle. I would be wary to believe anything coming from CNN, BBC or any other Western media. Same is also true from the Russian side.

Agreed. And just for the record, Ukrainian government sources are apparently confirming it was one of their own SU-27’s, bizarrely shot down by a Russian SAM over their own capitol. My guess is friendly fire, no doubt Ukrainian SAM operators are frustrated and just eager to shoot back at their attackers. The same thing happened with that Iranian airliner in 2020.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 25 Feb 2022 10:04

From CNN:

“We are also targeting Russian elites by curbing their deposits so that they cannot hide their money anymore in safe havens in Europe,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen

Wait how is this a bad thing for Russia? Hope EU extends this to India as well

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 25 Feb 2022 10:15

Baikul wrote:Putin has to win quickly. And indecisive or long war could see him taken off the board (democratically or a successful night of the generals scenario), he has to know that. For the West conversely prolonging the war is the best outcome, as they can’t expect an outright victory.

I’m expecting therefore for Putin to absolutely throw everything at this effort, make it nasty, brutish and short.

In both cases, Ukraine is screwed.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 25 Feb 2022 10:23

ramana wrote:Russia legalizes crypto-currency per NYT

So the US will be forced to attack it.

Will this have repercussions for the dollar as reserve currency or it's value? Any economist, financial types want to take a stab at this?

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 25 Feb 2022 10:48

Y. Kanan wrote: Agreed. And just for the record, Ukrainian government sources are apparently confirming it was one of their own SU-27’s, bizarrely shot down by a Russian SAM over their own capitol. My guess is friendly fire, no doubt Ukrainian SAM operators are frustrated and just eager to shoot back at their attackers. The same thing happened with that Iranian airliner in 2020.

It is understandable. Ukie AA units must have been told that any aircraft they detect is Russian. Makes target identification a lot easier, for a unit
that has seconds to react, before an anti radar missile takes them apart.
Russian Airforce spent a lot of time in Syria figuring out how to coordinate between friendly and hostile AA units and distinguish between aircraft from multiple countries. Every Rus AF squadron has been rotated through Syria.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 25 Feb 2022 10:54

Just think - if there wasn’t a fraudulent election in the US and Trump was still president none of this would have ever happened. Portfolio investments would be doing well, oil at $70/barrel, China on the back foot, peace and stability in Europe, even more development in India, India’s forex at $1T, and maybe even a Indo-US free trade agreement.

morem · Post by **morem** » 25 Feb 2022 11:00

I cant make out if you are being sarcastic or serious

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 25 Feb 2022 11:01

John wrote: https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1 ... EYAa2j6ZBw

https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/sta ... AhrnJqP-Xg

The same from a different angle. Watch towards the middle. Damn that's a big explosion, doubt the pilot made it if he was still in at the time.
https://youtu.be/-84xnJ9NTvo

Lots of sounds of planes buzzing around initially, can't tell if these were fighters or transport types. Maybe keener ears can identify.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 25 Feb 2022 11:05

Supposedly Russian paratroopers who surrendered:
https://youtu.be/Bu7IMavjoHc

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Feb 2022 11:09

Rakesh wrote:In light of all the seriousness going on, some levity and humour is sorely needed.

Ease some tensions and blood pressure of many posters on BRF.

Enjoy (joke onlee from an unverified twitter handle!)

https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1496 ... VTfh1wtqHg ---> Breaking News: Imran Khan is ready to negotiate between Russia and Ukraine.....

Watch the short (20 seconds) video - (Promise worth watching the meeting The great meeting: "Bole to kya Bole"
https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/ ... bDAbmRF-TQ

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 25 Feb 2022 11:10

morem wrote:I cant make out if you are being sarcastic or serious

Serious of course.

I have no issues as far as Russia going in for Ukraine.. Just that Putin should have consulted with world leaders like Swara Bhaskar, Sayema, Vir Das, Kunal Kamra, Dhruv Rathi, Yogendra Yadav, Rakesh Tikait and Ravish Kumar before taking the step.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 25 Feb 2022 11:11

Dear Learned Gurus ,
Why does the western media keep harping on individualizing the conflict.. all headlines scream "Putin invades Ukraine.." , "Putin goes warmongering.." , "Putin does the cha cha.." , instead of "Russia invades.." ?
Its almost as if they want to paint Putin as the villain and not Russia. I can see they do the same for Modi too, given every opportunity. What kind of Psy-Ops is this to somehow pin this on Putin and Putin alone and not Russia as a country ? Is it because its easier for them to draw hitler parallels ?

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 25 Feb 2022 11:17

^and the irony is that they won't target sanctions towards Putin himself. Everyone but him.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 25 Feb 2022 11:31

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/sta ... 7651900416

I think this video has the answer for how we can stop/contain the war in Ukraine.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 25 Feb 2022 11:41

sajo wrote:....What kind of Psy-Ops is this to somehow pin this on Putin and Putin alone and not Russia as a country ? Is it because its easier for them to draw hitler parallels ?

Simplistically put, it is easier & cheaper to rule over/colonize a country by putting your own stooges at the helm of affairs of that country as compared to getting into a hot war with it.

For this you should target & demonize the leader of that country and not it's people. Else it is very difficult to convince your own people why before the war the people of that country were evil incarnates and how suddenly post war they are now good humans and we should do business with them...

Hari Nair · Post by **Hari Nair** » 25 Feb 2022 11:48

Here is a fairly decent site giving updates on the progress of the campaign:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... just-begun

Just a tip: avoid some of the twitter links in this site to usual US rants or propaganda fluff.

The progress/ status of the Russki multi-axis armoured ingress is not very clear. I suppose we will get some clarity in the next 24-36 hours.
NATO obviously seems to be going on op alert.
The air power of Ukraine seems to have been flattened?
Status unclear - as to how many of their fighters and AD assets are still up & functioning.
How come Russki helicopters are buzzing around Antonov airport near Kiev? Appears to indicate Russki air superiority.
There is a link to a video - a fully loaded Ukranian Su-27 landing in a NATO base and the pilot turning himself in.

A whole lot of US ELINT assets are tuning in to gather the goldmine of data.

In any case, the next 36-48 hours are crucial. As I had earlier stated, the primary objective of this operation appears to be Kiev (specifically the hostile govt).
If this deteriorates into a war of attrition, then Russkis will effectively have lost and Putin Saab's career is over.
If the Russkis manage to keep up the momentum and overrun the Govt in Kiev, then its obviously a resounding success.

sajo wrote:Dear Learned Gurus ,
Why does the western media keep harping on individualizing the conflict.. all headlines scream "Putin invades Ukraine.." , "Putin goes warmongering.." , "Putin does the cha cha.." , instead of "Russia invades.." ?
Its almost as if they want to paint Putin as the villain and not Russia. I can see they do the same for Modi too, given every opportunity. What kind of Psy-Ops is this to somehow pin this on Putin and Putin alone and not Russia as a country ? Is it because its easier for them to draw Hitler parallels ?

You hit the nail on the head - its usual and typical US style propaganda. Use your own mental filter to remove the fluff and check for any substance.

A report (not verified) states that "Kyiv close to falling: "Russian mechanized forces, which came in from Belarus, are 20 miles outside of Kyiv," US Def Sec Gen Austin told lawmakers.
That was supposed to be 4 hours ago.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 25 Feb 2022 12:03

The huge fire ball is of ukraine AF asset being shot down Russian T-72 tanks were spotted near Akhtyrka in West of Kharkov and is about to occupy this city With the occupation of the town Russians can use it to launch a new offensive for capturing Kharkiv.