Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:13

vijaykarthik wrote:This isnt going to end well.

Are you suggesting that there would be a few nucs flying from both east and west? That is unlikely given the supine position the west has assumed.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:17

williams wrote:Regarding India obtaining technology. We had a lot of options before and even today.

In a few years, my guess is by 2030 if not earlier, we will have options inside India itself. We don't need to obtain tech from elsewhere.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:19

m_saini wrote:And Britshits have the similar level of comtempt towards french ...

and vice-versa. After all french coined the term "perfidious albion" for the Brr-tush.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:26

IndraD wrote:wion was also anti Trump. Palkisu was gloating over Biden win like a US citizen

Her hubby works for NDTV, IIRC.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:28

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1 ... G5EulFlu4g ---> BREAKING: In a video conference call last night Ukraine President Zelensky told EU leaders: "This might be the last time you see me alive", two sources briefed on the call told me.

On Fox News, General Petraeus pulled the "Zelensky is Jewish" card and compared Putin to Nazis.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 26 Feb 2022 03:31

^^ so putin is invading to de nazi fy Ukraine and himself is a nazi.. soon people will forget evil Mudi

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:32

Rakesh wrote:Fox News is among the least reliable news outlets out there. I would be wary of anything that comes out of Fox News, as out of CNN as well.

Be that as it may, Gen. Keen is analyzing, not really reporting any facts. FNN may not be reliable but which Amru channel is, especially when they report on Russia?!!!

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 26 Feb 2022 03:33

Vayutuvan wrote:
williams wrote:Regarding India obtaining technology. We had a lot of options before and even today.
In a few years, my guess is by 2030 if not earlier, we will have options inside India itself. We don't need to obtain tech from elsewhere.

I wish Pegion calls up the CEO’s of Mahindra, Tata, L&T and kalyani and ORDER them to build an FMBT.

I would call it project Abhimanyu..

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:34

Atmavik wrote:^^ so putin is invading to de nazi fy Ukraine and himself is a nazi.. soon people will forget evil Mudi

Nazi word has been trivialized so is the word Fascist.

kit · Post by **kit** » 26 Feb 2022 03:35

Russia seems to be doing this war differently. There seems to be distinct types for specialised work. Commandos, Z groups, chechen groups., all supported by long range artillery and missile strikes. And all very targeted towards the UKA bastions, secret service, ammunition dumps, airfields etc.
But let me tell this if the west thought they could draw in Russia into a prolonged civil war they are very much mistaken.
Indeed they have a very specialised "group" to "take care of resistance" and maintain their rule of order.

In 48-72 hours, the Russian blitzkrieg would take over the whole of Ukraine., and then they will most likely withdraw!

kit · Post by **kit** » 26 Feb 2022 03:38

Cain Marko wrote:
IndraD wrote:wion was also anti Trump. Palkisu was gloating over Biden win like a US citizen
I can understand if women are straight up anti trump, the guy was a pig. And that grabbing women by their ***** line didn't go down well, at all. Hell he even had a tough time convincing ultra conservative Laura Ingram on her show, and she was trying to help the man. Kept insisting that "women loved him for keeping them secure"

Poor guy was woken up by someone and he thought the US was invading Ukraine

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Feb 2022 03:39

kit wrote:In 48-72 hours, the Russian blitzkrieg would take over the whole of Ukraine., and then they will most likely withdraw!

Withdraw? Why would they suffer longstanding sanctions if they want to withdraw in the end to status quo ante positions? I think they would "free" at least DPR and LPR and take Odesa.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 26 Feb 2022 03:42

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 022-02-25/ Ukraine and Russia are discussing a place and time for talks, President Zelenskiy's spokesman said, adding that Ukraine is 'ready to talk about a ceasefire and peace

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 26 Feb 2022 03:45

IndraD wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 022-02-25/ Ukraine and Russia are discussing a place and time for talks, President Zelenskiy's spokesman said, adding that Ukraine is 'ready to talk about a ceasefire and peace

Talks?? It has to be a surrender in Niazi style

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 26 Feb 2022 04:01

UK ups the ante. Russians will now tuck their tails and run away

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 26 Feb 2022 04:03

Neela wrote:UK ups the ante. Russians will now tuck their tails and run away

Freedom fries anyone?

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 26 Feb 2022 04:14

UN vote outcome, mostly procedural

11 votes in favor
India and China and UAE abstain
Russia against

As expected

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 26 Feb 2022 04:18

Cheen also "abstained"???

I'm sure Putin didn't expect his all-weather friend to Xi-cken out like that. Anyway, he could hardly expect India to vote against while China abstains. Nice that UAE also abstained to further dilute the consensus in favour of the resolution.

I'd like to see the draft resolution, it must have been quite rabid and its sponsors totally uncompromising.

On a serious note, brace for incoming psyops barrage. "India was the only democratic country that failed to support the resolution condemning Putin... but is India even a democracy anymore?... Mudi fascist BJP Hindoo Nationalist condemned-by-freedom-house oppresses minorities intimidates journalists persecutes Cash-meerys

"

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 26 Feb 2022 04:56

Rudradev wrote: I'd like to see the draft resolution, it must have been quite rabid and its sponsors totally uncompromising.

Ukraine: Vote on Draft Resolution*

The draft resolution in blue condemns Russia’s aggression against Ukraine, calling it a violation of article 2 in paragraph 4 of the UN Charter....

It appears that during the negotiations, China expressed a preference for a Chapter VI resolution. (Chapter VI addresses the pacific settlement of disputes and Chapter VII deals with threats to the peace, breaches of the peace, and acts of aggression. Chapter VII allows the Council, once it determines a threat to the peace, a breach of the peace or an act of aggression, to take measures, including the use of force.)....

Condemning Russia’s decision to recognise the independence of the so-called Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, the draft resolution decides that Russia should unconditionally reverse its decision and work towards the full implementation of the Minsk agreements....

...At the time of writing, it seems that the resolution has the support of 11 Council members. While Russia is expected to use its veto, China’s position remains unclear. Its statements at Security Council meetings on Ukraine indicate that it shares Russia’s concerns over NATO’s expansion....

EDIT: Here's UN live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfzvRN3FYDA (LIVE - Ukraine - Security Council, 8979th meeting)

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 26 Feb 2022 05:01

The Russian dude is laying it down in UNSC. Bringing up Syria, Libya etc..

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 26 Feb 2022 05:05

chanakyaa wrote:UN vote outcome, mostly procedural

11 votes in favor
India and China and UAE abstain
Russia against

As expected

Yes, totally predictable....as I said before it would be a repeat of 2014. The Indian rep to UN outlined the reasons for abstaining. Amongst them, the best reason is the safety and security of Indians in the region. Taking sides is not possible at this moment.

Again, "chinese influence" is grossly overestimated. The PRC is decidedly lily-livered when it comes to anything involving war-fighting.

As also mentioned before, the UNSC is a complete joke.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 26 Feb 2022 05:10

Ukrainian envoy starts by saying thank you to the parents of the envoys of all members and further claims "The Russian regime should now be called "RUSSCIST REGIME". Then goes on the cry about how there wasn't supposed to be an attack in the first place.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 26 Feb 2022 05:30

chanakyaa wrote:UN vote outcome, mostly procedural

11 votes in favor
India and China and UAE abstain
Russia against

As expected

UAE also abstained ? That’s interesting

achy · Post by **achy** » 26 Feb 2022 05:33

Rudradev wrote:Cheen also "abstained"???

I'm sure Putin didn't expect his all-weather friend to Xi-cken out like that. Anyway, he could hardly expect India to vote against while China abstains. Nice that UAE also abstained to further dilute the consensus in favour of the resolution.

I'd like to see the draft resolution, it must have been quite rabid and its sponsors totally uncompromising.

On a serious note, brace for incoming psyops barrage. "India was the only democratic country that failed to support the resolution condemning Putin... but is India even a democracy anymore?... Mudi fascist BJP Hindoo Nationalist condemned-by-freedom-house oppresses minorities intimidates journalists persecutes Cash-meerys "

Psyops is already happening courtesy our friends from neighbors and some of our own useful idiots. But, I saw one guy valiantly fighting with simple message. India has 1 million chini and pigs on our borders and russia supplies us weapons to kill those pigs

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 26 Feb 2022 05:35

UAE abstaining is a shocker. It means that US Middle East policy is also faltering.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 26 Feb 2022 05:45

Rudradev wrote:Cheen also "abstained"???

On a serious note, brace for incoming psyops barrage. "India was the only democratic country that failed to support the resolution condemning Putin... but is India even a democracy anymore?... Mudi fascist BJP Hindoo Nationalist condemned-by-freedom-house oppresses minorities intimidates journalists persecutes Cash-meerys "

U see we are a partly free democracy that allows highways to be blocked by protesters for a year. In perfect democracy like Kaneda, protests are cleared out in a week, bank accounts frozen, tractors auctioned. And their pillars of democracy support it instead of doing an overreach.

To the wapo, NY slime and there desi stooges I say ‘ first u fold that rag of an article and shove it up ur a**’

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 26 Feb 2022 06:06

UN Security Council voting on resolution condemning Russia.

Yes

- United States
- United Kingdom
- France
- Norway
- Ireland
- Albania
- Gabon
- Mexico
- Brazil
- Ghana
- Kenya

No

- Russia

Abstain

- China
- India
- United Arab Emirates.
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... 65345?s=21

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 26 Feb 2022 06:09

^^ Reminds me that Ukraine had also voted against India in UN after the 1998 Nuclear tests.
Dont really give 2 sh*ts about them.

John · Post by **John** » 26 Feb 2022 06:26

vimal wrote:^^ Reminds me that Ukraine had also voted against India in UN after the 1998 Nuclear tests.
Dont really give 2 sh*ts about them.

Wasn’t Ukraine a Russian proxy at that time?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 Feb 2022 06:51

UAE abstaining is a shocker as well as NATO not offering any help to the Ukrainians.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 26 Feb 2022 06:54

UAE doesn't want to piss off Vlad.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 Feb 2022 06:54

John wrote:
vimal wrote:^^ Reminds me that Ukraine had also voted against India in UN after the 1998 Nuclear tests.
Dont really give 2 sh*ts about them.
Wasn’t Ukraine a Russian proxy at that time?

Nope at time Ukraine was heavily doing business with China and Pakis. Russia and west were busy in Bosnia and Kosovo, NATO push had not reached so far East and Russia was pretty much toothless under Yeltsin using Tanks to Bomb it's own Duma and letting the free Chechen Republic run.

Ukraine position at time was dictated more by the West and China. Russia at time was literally shrinking.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 26 Feb 2022 07:25

Rishirishi wrote:....The Canadian/scandinavian/Australian model is my choice.

Does that include letting Americans run our foreign policy and setting up american bases on mainland India?

Canadian/Australian/scandinavian model is indeed great but there are no free lunches in life. There is no American largesse without bending over.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 26 Feb 2022 07:34

IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/sbg1/status/1497231 ... CbD1Z-PmvQ So now Russia believes it can dictate the national security policy of Sweden and Finland. Clear that Putin does not recognize the sovereign right of nations in his neighborhood to self government.

Possible admission of Sweden and Finland to NATO will require "reciprocal steps" — Russian Foreign Ministry https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/statu ... CbD1Z-PmvQ

Interesting. Sweden and Finland are no Ukraine. The climate is just as bad as Siberia in parts. The armed forces while no match for Russia have been training for a Russian invasion since the end of WW2 . The average soldier is much higher paid and trained than Russians. Ordinary citizens have plenty of high quality small arms to keep an insurgency with high costs running for years. Unlike Ukraine, no section of population would be sympathetic. Overall the Nords are unlikely to be bothered by such threats. They are for all practical purposes NATO. For the western world, they are the pinnacle of western and European civilization and much easier to manage logistics wise in case of war.

The best Russia should expect is a statement carrying thin veneer of "We is neutralz" from Sweden and Finland in current scenario.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 26 Feb 2022 07:37

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

The Nayirah testimony was false testimony given before the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified at the time by her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was Al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيرة الصباح) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]

In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British NGO, which published several independent reports about the killings[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[4] Amnesty International reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement".

the empire of lies does not care about moral grounds, if reasons are not found justifications can always be manufactured, with a small print of apology in later editions when mission objectives have been achieved. do not trust and often verify should be the default position when dealing with such systems

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 26 Feb 2022 08:26

Rakesh wrote:
Haresh wrote:If in doubt, blame India.

The Daily Mail is the MOST read paper in the UK.

The most absurd comment is:
"India should be ashamed of itself maybe we should send the east India company back in, they might see things differently."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments
The British East India Company has been defunct for around 175 years.

Such a comment will likely come from someone who has Indian heritage. You know the ones who reminisce and romance about the beautiful years when the British "managed" India. They are the only ones who still think of the British East India Company. Classic Brown Sahib behaviour.

Fun factoid about John Company:

https://www.handlebar-online.com/guidel ... ia_Company

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 26 Feb 2022 09:28

These Countries Have ‘Disgraced Themselves’ in Blocking Russian Sanctions

https://us.yahoo.com/news/countries-dis ... 56144.html

Have fun reading this article ......

But it was soon clear that Russia’s tentacles are so deeply embedded in Europe’s strongest economies that punishing Putin will come at a high price. Italy has asked that luxury goods so dear to Russian oligarchs be excluded. Germany pushed for an exemption on the energy sector before eventually halting Nord Stream 2 certification but on Thursday refused to agree to block Russia from the SWIFT bank payment system. Other countries, including Hungary, dug in hard to block the toughest sanctions on the table.

After negotiations failed to produce the “massive sanctions” promised on Thursday, European leaders will go back to the negotiation table on Friday, likely adopting what is referred to as an “incrementalist” approach even as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told them he may not speak to them again because Russian special agents are out to assassinate him.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 26 Feb 2022 09:39

vijaykarthik wrote:
Deans wrote:
Russia's actions are similar to Georgia 2008. 4 day war, after which Georgia realised that Russia's pre-war demands were actually very reasonable.
They lost part of their country (South Ossetia) and suffered enough military and economic damage to the rest of it that voters would never again
choose someone who is Anti Russia. Regime change in Ukraine will probably happen through elections, after the war.

There was a difference last time though. Saakashvili took troops to overrun Tshkinvali and that was a recipe and a decent enough reason for Putin to allow Russian troops to enter and liberate. This time is a lot different. Unprovoked.

Not really. There was a steady rise in ceasefire violations (as measured by OCSE monitors) since Jan. Mostly from the Ukrainian side. Putin was being provoked by the Ukrainians, who thought NATO would deter him from acting.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 26 Feb 2022 09:44

Rakesh wrote:
Haresh wrote:If in doubt, blame India.

The Daily Mail is the MOST read paper in the UK.

The most absurd comment is:
"India should be ashamed of itself maybe we should send the east India company back in, they might see things differently."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments
The British East India Company has been defunct for around 175 years.

The East India co is actually owned by an Indian (Sanjiv Mehta) since 2005. Now co-owned by the Mahindras. I used be its COO based in London !
An Indian owning the East India co, is bigger than Tata-Corus or JLL.

ranneel · Post by **ranneel** » 26 Feb 2022 09:50

Some USAF aircraft on ELINT duty