Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Mar 2022 09:57

In fact rump Ukraine is at risk of having an influx of weapons via the Polish, Moldovan and Romanian borders.

I do not know why Russia does not seem to be wanting to hermetically seal Ukraine. Other than they think they can deal with an insurgency. They have done it successfully at least once before. After the White World’s family squabble II, done by Stalin.

Pakraine as a portmanteau word is a bit strained. Let’s leave a degenerate joke such as Pakistan out of serious matters.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Mar 2022 09:58

no UN, no amrika, no china, no NATO, no EU

only Modi

@ANI

All countries who enjoy special relations with India can appeal to PM Modi that we call on him to continue reaching out to Pres Putin &explaining that this war is against the interest of all.

People of Russia are not interested in it either: Ukraine Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba

12:02 am · 6 Mar 2022

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Mar 2022 10:12

Thread:

Indians who have recently discovered Zelenskyy and Ukrainain politics:

There is one important thing that you most probably don't know.

You are being told that Zelenskyy was an comedian who is so popular that he became President.

But it's not simple as that.

Contd...

Cool story Haan but let's unravel the real sequence of events...

1) Viktor Yanukovych is ousted unceremoniously without an election after the Maidan protests which were propped up by the CIA in 2014.

A perfect example of regime change executed under the guise of anti corruption and ushering in liberal democracy.

2) Ukrainian politics has a vacuum after his unconstitutional ouster (10 more votes were needed to legally remove him than the ones that were polled but he was still ousted).

3) Petro Poroshenko An Ukrainian businessman and an oligarch
was elected as Ukrainian President who also owns Channel 5 which telecasted and popularized the Euromaidan protests.

4) Between 2014 to 2019
Everything from Crimean annexation to separation of Ukrainian Orthodox church from Moscow Patriarchate happens Unrest in Donbas remains as he pushed troops further and they commit violence against ethnic Russian rebels.

5) Zelenskyy gets propped as a leader by an oligarch named Igor Kolomoisky whose channel produced and aired the shows of Zelenskyy as his rival Pedro had nationalized his assets in a bank and siphoned it from him.

6) Zelenskyy campaigns like Arvind Kejriwal used to against corruption in India in 2013 -14. Promised to end the power and influence of oligarchs while taking money from one of them.

7) Gets elected and talks about peace with Russia and starts claiming that he is cracking down on oligarchs till his own name surfaces in Pandora Papers and how he used to own off shore companies in tax havens like British Virgin Islands while appointing his friends in position.

Russian Invasion happens in February 2022 and he suddenly becomes an international hero & his popularity/ approval rating gets better within the country for defying Putin.

P S: Don't fall for western propaganda, yes Putin waging war is wrong but it doesn't make Zelenskyy saint.
https://twitter.com/oyevivekk/status/15 ... BjwTA&s=19

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Mar 2022 10:21

A saint? One significant omission is the absence of comments in the MSM of Putin’s seemingly bizarre reference to denazification of Ukraine. Zelensky who is Jewish seems to have forgiven Nazis, (please remember it is Natzi).

Raja · Post by **Raja** » 07 Mar 2022 10:39

Pakistan has been rabid in it's support for Russia. Who knows, maybe S-4000 will make it's way to Islamabad in the future. It is going to be a very different world.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 Mar 2022 10:45

Raja wrote:Pakistan has been rabid in it's support for Russia. Who knows, maybe S-4000 will make it's way to Islamabad in the future. It is going to be a very different world.

At nearly $1 billion USD per regiment, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. More than likely they will get Chinese copies - if lucky.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Mar 2022 10:51

Aaj Tak is continuously playing pope's statements for last 4 days.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 07 Mar 2022 10:54

IndraD wrote:https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/ ... oss-russia
Photos: Thousands arrested at anti-war protests across Russia
Monitoring group says 4,366 people arrested in 56 cities at protests against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

uncle sam at work?

For an alternative narrative about Russian public backing fir this was )so far) I strongly recommend this twitter thread. It’s actually a pro Ukraine series of tweets, but ironically highlights the opposite POV. That Putin’s war does have some public support.

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/ ... 25831?s=21

"Z" is a letter that Russian Military are putting on their vehicles departing to Ukraine……this symbol invented just a few days ago became a symbol of new Russian ideology and national identity

…Many Russians are putting "Z" on their cars - that's totally voluntary and to my best knowledge nobody's forcing them

Some argue that Russian people don't support this invasion and this is all Putin's responsibility. Yes, decision was taken by Putin and was a surprise even for his ministers. But once it was taken, it found huge popular support. People are cheering, they're proud and enthusiastic

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 07 Mar 2022 11:54

Raja wrote:Pakistan has been rabid in it's support for Russia. Who knows, maybe S-4000 will make it's way to Islamabad in the future. It is going to be a very different world.

They are idiots.

Forget S-400. Pakistan is set to import 3 million tons of wheat. Where will they import it from?

From Ukraine? They wont sell it to Pakhanistan now.

From Russia? How will they settle payments? Through which bank? That too payments from IMF monies. Are they going to route it through shady chinese intermediary banks?

As usual it is a typical brilliant self goal.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Mar 2022 11:54

Manish_Sharma wrote:Aaj Tak is continuously playing pope's statements for last 4 days.

aaj tak is "we have only one life to live"! I guess. They forget we believe in reincarnation till we achieve mOksha.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Mar 2022 12:00

sanjaykumar wrote:Pakraine as a portmanteau word is a bit strained. Let’s leave a degenerate joke such as Pakistan out of serious matters.

come on doc. it's a great word for Paxis.

LakshmanPST · Post by **LakshmanPST** » 07 Mar 2022 12:37

chetak wrote:no UN, no amrika, no china, no NATO, no EU

only Modi

@ANI

All countries who enjoy special relations with India can appeal to PM Modi that we call on him to continue reaching out to Pres Putin &explaining that this war is against the interest of all.

People of Russia are not interested in it either: Ukraine Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba

12:02 am · 6 Mar 2022

USA/West's SOP for regime change is that they start a negative narrative against a regime, build on it using their institutions, NGOs and media, information-bombs the target citizens... Once all this is done, if the target regime still doesn't fall it is brought down forcibly...

These statements from Western jounalists, thinktanks and these Ukrainian ministers (who're themselves stooges of the West) are precisely for this reason... They're building a narrative of Putin-collaborator for Modi...

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 07 Mar 2022 13:49

chetak wrote:no UN, no amrika, no china, no NATO, no EU

only Modi

@ANI

All countries who enjoy special relations with India can appeal to PM Modi that we call on him to continue reaching out to Pres Putin &explaining that this war is against the interest of all.

People of Russia are not interested in it either: Ukraine Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba

12:02 am · 6 Mar 2022

Not sure why we should feel any good about this. Did they consult Modi before sucking up to NATO/EU? Is he expressing any concern for Indians stuck there and commit himself to help locally? Nothing. He just wants India to take out the Russian bamboo from his Musharraf.

The whole Ukrainian regime reminds me of the Telugu saying: "Grab someone's hair when you can, grab their feet when you can't"

kit · Post by **kit** » 07 Mar 2022 13:57

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/eight-sel ... e-invasion

Self-serving myths prevent coherent actions for change. There is no risk greater than the risk of self-delusion, which the Western world has in plenty.

It has come to believe in all its self-created myths.

The war is widely believed to be the result of Vladimir Putin’s move to ensure regime change in Ukraine, but it is equally about regime change in Russia itself, which is what Uncle Sam wants.

The second myth that needs debunking is the glib claims by the West that Russia is the sole villain in endangering the “rules-based global order” that was carefully crafted after the Second World War. Let’s assume that Russia needs to be assigned the bulk of the blame for shattering peace in the region by invading a sovereign country. But by imposing deep financial and other sanctions against Russia, including its central bank (whose assets have been frozen), its businesses, its media, and even private assets belonging to Russia’s wealthy, the US has sent a powerful message to all countries that they could be next.

China never allowed the US and its companies to dominate its economy (it has its own parallel system), but India, Africa, Latin America and the Arab and Islamic worlds will have taken note. Every country which is not a minion will now seek to create its own back-up plan, which means they will want to rely less on the West, and more on rival systems or their own home-grown solutions. If they are large enough like India, they will create their own systems and insulate themselves from Western blackmail.

Uncle Sam’s “rules-based order” is over; now many big countries will start making their own rules and build alliances to accept parts of the whole of their rules. We are going to see a world which will increasingly have to negotiate artificial boundaries in trade and even general discourse.

The third myth that needs questioning is Europe’s own assumptions about being more “civilised” and less inclined to war. While many TV commentators were caught making racist remarks that Ukraine was somehow different because the victims were white Europeans (read here, here, here), the truth is it is European history, including its colonial history, that is replete with war and strife. Wherever the Europeans went, they created strife – in Africa, India, Latin America, etc.

This is not to suggest that these places were peaceful idylls before the European colonial powers entered the picture, but those wars were nowhere as lethal or threatening to the existence of pagan civilisations that existed before. And whenever the European powers exited, they left behind huge scars for future conflicts.

Now, it is difficult to pretend that uncivilised wars happen only outside Europe, in places like Africa or Asia. Ukraine is as European as France or Germany. But even before Russia invaded Ukraine, Europe’s post-war facade of peace was broken by America’s mindless interventions in the Balkans (post-Tito Yugoslavia in particular), and US-European interventions in West Asia and Africa. Relatively stable regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria and Africa went into fratricidal conflict.

So, no, Europe was never about peaceful coexistence. Its Christian heritage does not allow for anybody to be left in peace. This is because in the Abrahamic binary, if I am right, you have to be wrong. If I am civilised, you are by definition uncivilised. Europe’s “I-am-right-you-are-wrong” DNA got imprinted into America’s soul when it became the world’s foremost superpower after the Second World War.

The fourth myth one must question is that Western media is somehow freer than media anywhere else. Western media has been unanimous that Russian media is largely spreading fake news, as if their own media has not been unduly biased and unwilling to even consider the Russian side of the “truth”.

The European Union has banned Russian state media, such as Russia Today and Sputnik, from being broadcast in its territories, which indirectly means that the so-called democracies have no particular faith in free dissemination of news. Whether it is YouTube or Facebook or Twitter, all Russian voices have been silenced or deplatformed

Banning other states’ broadcasts is only done during war-time, and this implies that Europe is formally in a state of war with Russia. But Western media is not going to emerge unscathed with its reputation for speaking truth to power intact. It is now toeing the political line of its leaders, as it did when George W Bush orchestrated claims about “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq as a prelude to invading it.

The fifth myth that has been crumbling is the post-World War belief in inter-dependence and globalisation as the best way to reduce poverty and enhancing incomes everywhere. This myth was anyway dying a slow death in the wake of the frequent crashes on Wall Street, the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, the Eurozone crisis and the Covid-prompted disruptions in supply chains, but US-led global sanctions against Russia have made it clear that no country can depend on the world for critical things – from energy supplies (a message for India), to payment systems (MasterCard and Visa have stopped operations in Russia), to critical components of weapons systems, not to speak of food and other essentials. Every country has to become atmanirbhar at least to some minimum level. Borderless globalisation cannot sustain in a world where borders are not secure any longer.

The sixth myth – not yet entirely busted but now being re-examined - is that nuclear powers seldom threaten the use of nukes. This is as bogus as other countries claiming they don’t use banned chemical agents during war or resort to biological warfare when threatened. Russia has already captured two nuclear plants in Ukraine and has vaguely talked about a third world war unavoidably going nuclear.

The simple point is this: when a country fears for its survival, the normal rules of warfare can be tossed aside. In any society, survival is the first ethic, not global rules. Nuclear war is avoided only when both belligerents have an equal capacity to inflict damage on the other, and is as threatening to both. But even this bet is off when one party fears for its life. If the West does not offer Russia a way out of this mess with its dignity intact, it is inching closer to nuclear war than ever before.

The seventh myth is about democracy. The liberal claim is that democracies seldom go to war with one another since they have public opinion restraining them. But the reality is not so simple. Cocky democracies use democracy itself on an argument to wage war, as the US did in the Balkans, in Vietnam, in Korea, and in West Asia. Various European powers did the same in Africa (France in Algeria and central Africa), the UK in the Falklands, and Britain and France in Egypt (during the Suez crisis). It was the democracies that waged war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Democracies that do not resort to war with external powers are often unable to prevent internal strife or civil war over issues of identity or resources, as we are seeing in Pakistan and large parts of West Asia and Africa (Rwanda). America itself fought a civil war over slavery.

The nuanced truth is democracies need more humility and less self-righteousness about the political system they have adopted. Autocracies need to be more restrained about taking on external foes in order to strengthen themselves internally. But it is not only autocracies that make war. Democracies do too.

The eighth myth is about oligarchs. After Russia attacked Ukraine, the West went into overdrive to paint Russia as being run by oligarchs who are in bed with Putin. That may well be the case, but the West should worry about its own oligarchs. For example, America’s tech giants have market valuations that rival most countries’ GDPs (see here), and they have enough power to deplatform their own President (as we saw towards the closing days of Donald Trump’s tenure).

The assumption that only Russia has oligarchs is a dangerous myth. The richest Russian billionaire on Forbes’ rich list comes in at No 65. Of course, one can argue that wealth accumulated by talent and tech in a free market is different from wealth accumulated through cronyism. But does anyone need to mention America’s own crony system in the military-industrial complex? The impact of wealth on policy-making is huge regardless of how it is earned. Consider how easily US pharma giants like Pfizer got the US government to okay their vaccines quickly while Indian competitors are forced to jump through hoops. Oligarchy and oligopoly exist as much in the West as in Russia.

kit · Post by **kit** » 07 Mar 2022 14:49

https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status ... 5981972482

Biden can very easily prevent a war with Russia by guaranteeing that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. It is not in our national security interests for Ukraine to become a member of NATO anyway, so why not give Russia that assurance? Is it because …

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Mar 2022 15:27

sanjaykumar wrote:A saint? One significant omission is the absence of comments in the MSM of Putin’s seemingly bizarre reference to denazification of Ukraine. Zelensky who is Jewish seems to have forgiven Nazis, (please remember it is Natzi).

It is not about Zelensky. Western Ukis are were collaborator of Nazis . Even today they have NEo Nazis with uniform and salute ets. They are against Russian speaking population. read more.

John · Post by **John** » 07 Mar 2022 15:46

kit wrote:https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status ... 5981972482

Biden can very easily prevent a war with Russia by guaranteeing that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. It is not in our national security interests for Ukraine to become a member of NATO anyway, so why not give Russia that assurance? Is it because …

That’s false look at date of tweet, Macron was negotiating a deal where Putin would have recognition for two seperatist provinces and guarantee of Ukraine won’t join NATO in return for Russian guarantee it will never attack.

But when he found out Putin had already given go ahead for invasion days before and wanted nothing short of annexing the east and puppet regime in the western Ukraine, Macron was furious. One of reasons US was able to get support for the sanctions from Europe.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Mar 2022 15:58

Vayutuvan wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:Aaj Tak is continuously playing pope's statements for last 4 days.
aaj tak is "we have only one life to live"! I guess. They forget we believe in reincarnation till we achieve mOksha.

oh it big mess. Aranab international debate I have started liking but their ground reporters are working for West. Russians say any building which will be used to attack Russian forces will be destroyed. People throwing Molotove coctails on Russia tank and then Russia destroys them. Reporters never mention this. NDTV as usual. But Why they shout n Indian channels......that is a mystery .

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 07 Mar 2022 16:03

Russia announces ceasefire in Sumy, opens two different routes for stranded Indian students to evacuate

The first route is the one that gives passage to Indian students stranded in Sumy, Ukraine to Belgorod, Russia on the eastern side. The second route facilitates the passage of Indian students through central Ukraine.

Other source

War in Ukraine: Evacuation Process Aborted from Sumy, Confirm Students
Stranded Indian students confirm that evacuation has been aborted from Ukraine’s Sumy as the situation not conducive

These munna Bhai MBBS-wale turning out to be a major liability.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Mar 2022 16:04

IndraD wrote:https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/ ... oss-russia
Photos: Thousands arrested at anti-war protests across Russia
Monitoring group says 4,366 people arrested in 56 cities at protests against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

uncle sam at work?

Well people loose Visa, chreap Spain holiday, youtube, Iphonwa, Mac books, Amazone, backoffice job etc are protesting. Quite normal

John · Post by **John** » 07 Mar 2022 16:12

The earlier image I posted about a plane being hit in Kharkiv was Su-34 apparently two were hit (waiting for proof on the second). Looks like RuAF attempted a night time low level bombing after earlier losses.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... 80385?s=21

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Mar 2022 17:12

There seems to have been considerable foresight on Putin's part, even to the extent of gaming the yet to be imposed sanctions

from the net

The Russian Side has invited Bharat's Credit Institutions to connect to the financial messaging system of the Bank of Russia to facilitate faultless interbank transactions.

What? When did it happen? On 6th December 21 when President Putin visited Bharat in a whirlwind tour.

arvin · Post by **arvin** » 07 Mar 2022 17:52

Good. US is ticking all boxes to resurrect the Soviet Union.
If feasible, The ability of UPI to connect with Russian payments system would be a game changer.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Mar 2022 18:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60637980
Indian medical student stuck in Ukraine with jaguar, panther

Patil has bought 23kg of sheep, turkey and chicken meat from neighbouring villages at prices 4 times higher than normal. "My big cats have been spending nights in the basement with me. They are scared. They are eating less. I can't leave them"

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Mar 2022 19:02

arvin wrote:Good. US is ticking all boxes to resurrect the Soviet Union.
If feasible, The ability of UPI to connect with Russian payments system would be a game changer.

it looks like the russkis have currently operationalized the cheeni payment system after the sanctions were announced

the sanctions haven't really started to bite as of now but it appears that with self interest, a number of countries are looking for ways to bypass or negate the sanctions as applicable to them

the goras seem to have lost the plot and these sanctions are a pale shadow of what they once were, especially when applied to resource rich countries

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 07 Mar 2022 19:36

IndraD wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60637980
Indian medical student stuck in Ukraine with jaguar, panther

Patil has bought 23kg of sheep, turkey and chicken meat from neighbouring villages at prices 4 times higher than normal. "My big cats have been spending nights in the basement with me. They are scared. They are eating less. I can't leave them"

How long before the cats turn on him?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 07 Mar 2022 19:54

Thakur_B wrote:How long before the cats turn on him?

What kind of country is Ukraine? Do they allow wild animals to be reared as pets? At this rate if all these Indian 'students' are flown back along with their pets, our national parks and zoos will also get a good number of animals

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sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Mar 2022 19:55

A couple of points.

Please read my post on Nazis in Ukraine carefully, rsingh.

Ukraine is NOT as European as France or Germany and never will be.

When Ukrainians settled on the prairies in Canada, the English considered them subhuman. Literally not white. It is to Canada’s credit that society has moved on.

I was a ship’s surgeon once on a Russian owned expedition ship. It had Europeans on board from Cardiff to Vladivostok. I can assure you that Western Europeans do not recognise Ukrainians as equal.

Often, Ukrainians will refer to themselves as European. I have never heard an Englishman or a Dutchman say that they are European as a matter of identity.

I have made some blunt observations, not out of animus to Ukrainians. I had an in-law who was Ukrainian. Take it for what it’s worth.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 07 Mar 2022 20:01

sanjaykumar wrote:A couple of points.

Please read my post on Nazis in Ukraine carefully, rsingh.

Ukraine is NOT as European as France or Germany and never will be.

When Ukrainians settled on the prairies in Canada, the English considered them subhuman. Literally not white. It is to Canada’s credit that society has moved on.

I was a ship’s surgeon once on a Russian owned expedition ship. It had Europeans on board from Cardiff to Vladivostok. I can assure you that Western Europeans do not recognise Ukrainians as equal.

Often, Ukrainians will refer to themselves as European. I have never heard an Englishman or a Dutchman say that they are European as a matter of identity.

I have made some blunt observations, not out of animus to Ukrainians. I had an in-law who was Ukrainian. Take it for what it’s worth.

There is logic to Putin’s claim of de-nazification, some of these elements got involved in the 2014 protests which really spooked Russia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collabo ... ed_Ukraine

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Mar 2022 20:04

apparently ISIS fighters arriving in Ukraine thanks to west intel. Few months of fighting in Ukraine against Russia will ensure permanent settlement in West.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 07 Mar 2022 20:06

Sachin wrote:What kind of country is Ukraine? Do they allow wild animals to be reared as pets? At this rate if all these Indian 'students' are flown back along with their pets, our national parks and zoos will also get a good number of animals .

TFA says that this practicing daatkar (employed) bought the pets from the zoo.
Doesn't say if he is in a hurry to return to India.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Mar 2022 20:20

https://twitter.com/ImReadinHere/status ... i1b_AKLHyg old video of Biden surfaces where he is saying only way to suck in Russia in big military aggression is by putting NATO in Baltic states

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Mar 2022 20:20

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Kremlin issues 2 demands to Ukraine:
1)Per Minsk2 agreement, disarm
2)Remain neutral; no joining #NATO
No demands for #VolodymyrZelensky to step down. No demand for #ukraine to join Russian Federation. #Putin says incursion can end now if terms are met. #BREAKING #news #Russia

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Mar 2022 20:33

Don't know if there is a method to the madness of Russian Air Force's tactics, but their aircrafts have been falling out of Ukr skies like flies. Clearly some to many of the Ukr AD/SAM units are active...I am thinking that most of these AD Radars will be on Switch-OFF or Standby mode and NATO feeds info about ATM to Ukr forces which will at opportune time switch ON the radar...else I don't know why the Kh-31P, Kh-58 family of missiles are missing in action (or perhaps they aren't that effective) and if Russian Aircrafts are carrying EW pods on them and if them pods are not being that effective. Anyways, as of now Russian Elint & SEAD capabilities don't look effective...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 07 Mar 2022 20:34

Republic TV reported about a talk between Putin-Modi-Zelensky. True?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 07 Mar 2022 20:37

Sachin wrote: What kind of country is Ukraine?

Got similar feeling, it seems to have attracted lots of weirdo chadacters.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Mar 2022 20:49

Zynda wrote:Don't know if there is a method to the madness of Russian Air Force's tactics, but their aircrafts have been falling out of Ukr skies like flies. Clearly some to many of the Ukr AD/SAM units are active...I am thinking that most of these AD Radars will be on Switch-OFF or Standby mode and NATO feeds info about ATM to Ukr forces which will at opportune time switch ON the radar...else I don't know why the Kh-31P, Kh-58 family of missiles are missing in action (or perhaps they aren't that effective) and if Russian Aircrafts are carrying EW pods on them and if them pods are not being that effective. Anyways, as of now Russian Elint & SEAD capabilities don't look effective...

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/sta ... WD_bfpW49A one more jet downed! Does Ru AF have any plan to tackle these SAMs or whatever?

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Mar 2022 21:00

^^Just crazy...doesn't Su-34s carry some of the more sophisticated EW/Jamming pods? It seems like these Su-34s were shot down by S-300 units...so essentially Russian equipment bringing down Russian planes. KaranM, if you are reading up, would like to hear your take on this...(I know currently much info coming out is from fog of war and hence not authentic).

Perhaps, Russians have a higher threshold to losses...

From IAF POV, I know we are diversifying our EW on our Sukhois at least with Israeli equipment but until our SPJ/HBJs are ready, I think we are still using Russian SAP-518 pods...so there is a concern of its effectiveness.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 07 Mar 2022 21:07

Sachin wrote:
Thakur_B wrote:How long before the cats turn on him?
What kind of country is Ukraine? Do they allow wild animals to be reared as pets? At this rate if all these Indian 'students' are flown back along with their pets, our national parks and zoos will also get a good number of animals .

Better to bring back pets, than Pakistanis.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 Mar 2022 21:08

read somewhere Ru has some 1600 fighter jets. Less than US & China.