India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Mar 2022 01:44

Russia has come up with a quick n easy 'no cost bankruptcy plan' for companies wanting to exit Russia. The Russian Govt will take over the business and run it or do whatever they want with it.

Smart move, let's see how many woke consternated European and American companies will actually take up the offer.

Something to note and file away for India.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Mar 2022 06:10

srikandan wrote:Some random Indian-origin american woman who wants to make sooth-asian movies in India -- need to watch who else pushes this character in India. Use of the word "sooth asia" is a marker for a US-origin agenda.

https://indianexpress.com/article/enter ... e-7802868/

"Well known" from Youtube, IIRC. She has gone down the tubes recently.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 06 Mar 2022 08:43

@dikgaj:

Eur& US took a very "clear position" on AQ Khan, apparently completely innocently, of letting Khan do what he was doing, giving roles that wd help him in his objective. This bit of history shd help US/Eur to understand India's current "unclear" position.

https://twitter.com/dikgaj/status/15002 ... Ip-TA&s=19
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https://carnegieendowment.org/2005/09/0 ... -pub-17420

1974
• 18 May – India conducts its first nuclear test, a “peaceful nuclear explosion.
• September – Khan writes to Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to offer his services and expertise to Pakistan.
• Late – Khan is tasked by UCN at Almelo with translations of the more advanced German-designed G-1 and G-2 centrifuges from German to Dutch, to which he has unsupervised access for 16 days.

Late 1970s and Early 1980s
• American intelligence officials convince Dutch authorities on two occasions not to arrest Khan for the purposes of monitoring his activities further.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 Mar 2022 14:50

Vayutuvan wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:I have zero belief that India as its own free civilizational entity would ever be embraced by the WEUS.
Unless the Jehova Project (?) succeeds and/or The Holy Sea gets their wish from God.

Indeed. That’s why I was careful to say, “India as its own free civilizational entity.” Project Jehovah is for eliminating that civilizational freedom.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 Mar 2022 14:53

Karan M wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:

I am reminded of George Orwell’s dogs in Animal Farm. IIRC Initially the dogs are used as goondas by the pigs who are the rulers, but then realize they can be rulers in their own right as they are the muscle and pigs can’t rule without them. I believe the pigs end up making the dogs into partners.

What if, instead of goonda-dogs, there was a magical animal which could ensure peace, harmony, equality & progress without violence? But also had the strength & will to fight for righteousness when required? And all the animals decided they don’t need the pigs or dogs because the magical animal is a much better way?

How will the pigs and dogs react if they see the magical animal growing & developing in front of them?
That strength and national will to decide on what's righteous and then fight for it, are what are lacking and what we need to build upon. Otherwise people take all our well meaning attempts to craft a new narrative as a sign of our equivocation and weakness, and our attempts to mask our inability to get our way. It will change.

Maybe the growing WEUS-BIF angst is a reaction to growing strength and national will. Which should tell us we are progressing on the right track.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 06 Mar 2022 20:01

Vayutuvan wrote:"Well known" from Youtube, IIRC. She has gone down the tubes recently.

Lilly "don't be silly" Singh is now a reformed khalistani and wants to explore her "South Asian" heritage. My, how the mighty have fallen.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 08 Mar 2022 12:57

anupmisra wrote:
Vayutuvan wrote:"Well known" from Youtube, IIRC. She has gone down the tubes recently.
Lilly "don't be silly" Singh is now a reformed khalistani and wants to explore her "South Asian" heritage. My, how the mighty have fallen.

Not a fan of Liky Singh’s India politics, but you can’t really expect any sikh to remember op Blue star with anything but bitterness.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 08 Mar 2022 13:21

Op Bluestar was a blunder that cost a lot soldier’s lives. Not sure about the Sikh part, what exactly were they facing?

srin · Post by **srin** » 08 Mar 2022 13:58

Can someone describe the rules in the "rules-based order" that the US keeps preaching ?

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 08 Mar 2022 14:10

All except Unkil maintain status quo, Munnas are allowed transgression with Unkil wink. Criteria for being part of the "team" decided by an invisible coterie. In brief, post cold war hegemony is perpetuated. Some break outs are managed case by case with eventual intention of CRE any breakout elements.

Some examples: Nuclear power turned from bad to green. Plan to classify weapons as ESG to facilitate delivery. Emergency declared to crush protests is democratic if done by certain certified people.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 08 Mar 2022 14:12

srin wrote:Can someone describe the rules in the "rules-based order" that the US keeps preaching ?

Their rules are our orders.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 08 Mar 2022 14:37

Well said yensoy ji !

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 08 Mar 2022 14:48

Not a fan of Liky Singh’s India politics, but you can’t really expect any sikh to remember op Blue star with anything but bitterness.

Murderers and terrorists occupying golden temple and spraying blood has not created any bitterness, Indira taking decisive action using Army soldiers who took off boots to enter the temple to eliminate those murderers and terrorists only creates bitterness ?

Said bitterness and ensuing anti-Sikh riots hasn't stopped them from voting Congress into power in Punjab nor has it stopped Khalistan dreams. Some people who control punjabi politics have behaved like traitor scums be it cozying up to Pakistan, debilitating their youth with rampant drugs, destroying their land with indiscriminate use of fertilisers and pesticides, losing sight of Guru bani by converting en masse, farm protests, now voting AAP into power...all due to this bitterness? I don't get the punjabi psyche...

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 08 Mar 2022 20:03

Cyrano wrote:
Not a fan of Liky Singh’s India politics, but you can’t really expect any sikh to remember op Blue star with anything but bitterness.
Murderers and terrorists occupying golden temple and spraying blood has not created any bitterness, Indira taking decisive action using Army soldiers who took off boots to enter the temple to eliminate those murderers and terrorists only creates bitterness ?

Said bitterness and ensuing anti-Sikh riots hasn't stopped them from voting Congress into power in Punjab nor has it stopped Khalistan dreams. Some people who control punjabi politics have behaved like traitor scums be it cozying up to Pakistan, debilitating their youth with rampant drugs, destroying their land with indiscriminate use of fertilisers and pesticides, losing sight of Guru bani by converting en masse, farm protests, now voting AAP into power...all due to this bitterness? I don't get the punjabi psyche...

I was around at the time and attended many meetings with sikhs in the US. I was part of a small group which wanted to reassure Sikhs that Indians loved them and empathized with their hurt.

The emotions and sentiments generated by op blue star in 1984 & the years following are not explainable by objective reality or standards of fairness. The Sikhs I met could only see it as a deliberate attack on something sacred—Golden Temple and akal takht inside it. And as a campaign to wipe out Sikhs. Ghalughara (Holocaust) was the word they used constantly. To them, it was a confirmation of everything poisonous that Bhindranwale had been saying about India.

This is what they taught their American, British and Canadian children. I haven’t been around many Sikhs of this generation but I suspect “blue star” and “ghalughara” have become part of their identity. Like typical westerners they are not that concerned or conversant with India-side politics. So, the fact that Indian Sikhs have moved on and are back in the mainstream doesn’t register with them.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Mar 2022 19:09

The US has sanctioned Russian oil/gas but has excluded Russian uranium imports from this sanctions package.

A large number of ameriki reactors use russki uranium to stay powered up

hypocritical ameriki self interest and the predominant ameriki sense of entitlement envisaged by the fallacious and avaricious concept of ameriki exceptionalism has visited war on many almost defenseless countries on many an occasion, said countries being at the receiving of unprovoked ameriki aggression

war crimes never ever apply to this set of whitey tighteys.

So, on which "side of history" would these sanctimonious amerikis now fall

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 18 Mar 2022 19:30

Some 48% of US commercial uranium comes from CSTO countries.

Space cooperation between the US and Russia will continue too. There are no sanctions or embargoes on that. Launches from Kazakhstan will continue.

Notice how all of the defenders of the Biden administration on this forum have mostly become quiet when their hypocrisy has been exposed?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 18 Mar 2022 19:36

Biden must resign and Harris needs to become president. He is a danger to world security and is pushing the US into a nuclear conflict.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Mar 2022 22:05

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Mar 2022 22:12

Mort Walker wrote:Some 48% of US commercial uranium comes from CSTO countries.

Space cooperation between the US and Russia will continue too. There are no sanctions or embargoes on that. Launches from Kazakhstan will continue.

Notice how all of the defenders of the Biden administration on this forum have mostly become quiet when their hypocrisy has been exposed?

Indic-ally speaking onlee

are we on right side of the history yet

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Mar 2022 22:58

Saagar Enjeti
@esaagar

It is wild to me that India, a sovereign nation with nothing at stake in UKR is being pummeled in the Western press for exploring ways to continue buying Russian oil when EU nations who actually have something at stake are *still buying it* and facing no scrutiny

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Mar 2022 01:07

Sometimes the African says the most insightful things. Absolutely correct wrt both India and Japan. Wisdom.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 19 Mar 2022 01:09

^buying oil is a no brainer. It’s Christian ethics. The historical record is replete with it.

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Mar 2022 02:05

chetak wrote:The US has sanctioned Russian oil/gas but has excluded Russian uranium imports from this sanctions package.

A large number of ameriki reactors use russki uranium to stay powered up

don't they have Australian uranium ..but i guess this is highly enriched uranium to power their nuclear subs and reactors

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Mar 2022 04:33

kit wrote:
chetak wrote:The US has sanctioned Russian oil/gas but has excluded Russian uranium imports from this sanctions package.

A large number of ameriki reactors use russki uranium to stay powered up
don't they have Australian uranium ..but i guess this is highly enriched uranium to power their nuclear subs and reactors

US relies on Russia and allies Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan for roughly HALF of the uranium powering its nuclear power plants.

the amerikis preserve what they have and deplete oil, gas, uranium and other scarce commodities etc. from the rest of the world

Building a uranium reserve is the first step in preserving the U.S. nuclear fuel cycle

ditto for oil and gas

The Biden administration is considering easing oil sanctions on the Maduro regime in a bid to get more Venezuelan oil back into the global markets

Sources and shares of total U.S. purchases of uranium in 2020 were:

Canada22%
Kazakhstan22%
Russia16%
Australia11%
Uzbekistan8%
Namibia5%
U.S. and five other countries combined14%

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Mar 2022 21:03

One big looming problem is the US is allowing Indian-American Congressmen to drive the relationship agenda.
We see in the Ukraine crisis that the majority of policymakers are of Ukrainian origin and this is coloring their view and the US is unable to see the big picture due to narrow focus.

During Reagan and earlier, the rule was to not let people of foreign origins deal with the country of their origin.
Eg. Reagan did not allow Tip O'Neill to become Ambassador to Ireland as he was an Irish American.

The US is well advised to not let the four Congresspersons deal with China, Pakistan, or India.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 19 Mar 2022 22:28

Jayapal and Rothdu Khanna have been installed exactly for this purpose

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Mar 2022 22:58

1. https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/15 ... YnfCsKz7NQ ---> BENDING OVER BACKWARDS: Biden tells Xi "US does not seek a new Cold War with China; does not aim to change China’s system; the revitalization of its alliances is not targeted at China; US does not support 'Taiwan independence'; and has no intention to seek a conflict with China."

2. https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/15 ... YnfCsKz7NQ --->

The above assertion is in the Chinese government's detailed readout of the Biden-Xi call: https://fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_66280 ... 53207.html

By contrast, the White House readout of the same call is short and cryptic: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... f-china-2/

Tweet below is in response to the pair of tweets above....

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... YnfCsKz7NQ ---> “Bye bye Indo- Pacific…hello European rebalancing”.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Mar 2022 23:14

WRT the Indian origin reps, it is an improvement over what existed previously I think. Overt hostility replaced with political color now. But yes, big failure on the part of the US education system if the best people for international affairs can only be sourced from those with recent family connections.

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Mar 2022 23:34

Rakesh wrote:1. https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/15 ... YnfCsKz7NQ ---> BENDING OVER BACKWARDS: Biden tells Xi "US does not seek a new Cold War with China; does not aim to change China’s system; the revitalization of its alliances is not targeted at China; US does not support 'Taiwan independence'; and has no intention to seek a conflict with China."

2. https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/15 ... YnfCsKz7NQ --->

The above assertion is in the Chinese government's detailed readout of the Biden-Xi call: https://fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_66280 ... 53207.html
”.

" “He who tied the bell to the tiger must take it off.”

.. chinese is not so cryptic

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Mar 2022 23:36

Rakesh wrote:1.

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/sta ... YnfCsKz7NQ ---> “Bye bye Indo- Pacific…hello European rebalancing”.

QUAD was never a military alliance ! India was not under any illusion push comes to shove , uncle and co would come running !!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Mar 2022 23:42

Sirjee, but on this forum...we were told that Quad is indeed a military alliance!

And the crown jewel of that military alliance would be a 65,000 ton, nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, fitted with EMALS and carry F-18E/Fs, to influence events from Alaska to the South China Sea! All India had to do, was hand over billions of dollars to Uncle Sam for perpetual and eternal security. Salvation comes from Amreeka after all.

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Mar 2022 23:55

Rakesh wrote:Sirjee, but on this forum...we were told that Quad is indeed a military alliance!

indeed so., when geopolitics gets upended , its everyone for himself

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Mar 2022 00:14

Rudradev wrote:Jayapal and Rothdu Khanna have been installed exactly for this purpose

RoKhanna · 17 Mar

A few Indians do not like that I have vocally criticized India for abstaining from condemning Putin’s horrific murder of mother & children. My job is to stand up for America & human rights, not be an apologist for India when they are clearly in the wrong.
https://epaper.timesgroup.com/article-s ... 15_etbg_ET

kit · Post by **kit** » 20 Mar 2022 00:57

Khanna deleted a 2015 tweet for which the Left is mercilessly ridiculing him: ‘Ever since the ‘orange Revolution’ began under President Bush, the US has been complicit in the rehabilitation and spread of NeoNazis in Ukraine. Enough is enough!’ In 2019, Khanna signed a letter asking the State Department to designate Ukraine’s Azov Battalion as a terrorist organisation.

kit · Post by **kit** » 20 Mar 2022 02:39

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Mar 2022 21:02

Haresh wrote:One thing I have noticed in the UK where I live in London is just how gullible, ignorant & self righteous the average westerner is.

I have been watching and researching quite a lot of alternative narrative on the entire "Russia is bad, we are good" issue.

John Mearsheimer, has given some very sensible talks and is actually surprisingly pro-India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/24/opin ... -bomb.html
https://www.mearsheimer.com/

The Americans have the "Munroe Doctrine" however they regard it as their right to interfere all around the world. The west have no self conscious understanding of their own hypocrisy.

John Mearsheimer and Peter Hitchens have both stated that the west has mislead Ukraine. Led them up the garden path and that it will lead to disaster for Ukraine, John Mearsheimer predicted this in a talk in 2015.
Peter Hitchens has written some very sensible articles on his blog, however there seems to be a concerted effort to deny him publicity. His talks on You Tube are very informative
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

The western/NATO nations have just come out of a 20 yrs failed war in Afghanistan and a 17 yr failed war in Iraq, they have destroyed Libya, Syria, have they not learned any lessons??
The same Bull$hit narrative is put forward by the like of Hillary Clinton " we made Russia bleed once, we can do it again"
Or Adam Schiff, who thinks it's a good idea to get the Ukrainians to fight Russians in Ukraine so that Americans do not have to fight them in America !!! seriously, would that ever happen ??
It's bizarre as if the last 20 years never happened.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/cos ... n/military

They all want war, in non-white countries, and for non-whites to die, now their madness has come home to them.
It is a bizarre war hysteria.

SandeepA · Post by **SandeepA** » 21 Mar 2022 22:09

kit wrote:

This guy is commie..and nephew of Brinda Karat

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Mar 2022 13:23

^Vijay Prashad, he is torch bearer of CCP and there benevolent investments world over PLUS how belt and roads initiative of xi jingping is changing the lives of poor all over the world

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 23 Mar 2022 05:42

Surprised that there's no mention of the notorious US under.sec of state Victoria Nuland's visit to India. She's the same Victoria Nuland who during the Obama administration regularly chimed in with the Indian fifth columnists about India's hooman rights, religious rights, right to protest etc. She is also the one who worked very closely with Vitaly Klitschko and Arseny Yatsenyuk during the 2013-2014 Euromaidan protests against Viktor Yanukovych (the now infamous Nuland-Pyatt phone call). While in Delhi today she met "emerging leaders" (read left leaning JNU/DU types) and later gave an interview to rNDTV's inhouse Harvard Professor Nidhi Razdan. She does seem to be the modern day version of Robin Raphel.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 23 Mar 2022 07:19

No one mentioned it here perhaps because innately the meeting was of no substance or consequence, as most meetings with the US admin are these days.

There was a news article about her meeting with the Foreign Sec and MEA Jaishankar. Irrespective of what they discussed (only a few platitudes were mentioned) I was wondering why an undersecretary gets to meet the minister - per protocol, her access should be at the joint secretary level, at best.