Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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nachiket wrote: Ideally you'd have expected the Russians to concentrate on high altitude precision strikes which would keep their aircraft well out of MANPAD range. But we have seen a lot of low level bombing runs from Su-25's and Su-34's which led to the losses. Two possible reasons for this. One being the Russians could not or did not do adequate SEAD and Ukraine's Buk/Tor/S300's are mostly still alive so flying high is dangerous. And second which I believe more likely is a lack of enough PGM's and PGM capable platforms. I mean they are probably the only major airforce which does not have a modern targeting pod in service.
I need to go back and double check but I remember reading that coalition aviation losses would have been 2x-3x in the initial wave in simulations if they had to fly low at altitude and use dumb bombs during Gulf war placing it in range of AAAs and Manpads. It is lucky for Russia that Ukraine’s AAA capabilities are almost non existent.

As for Russia’s use of dumb bombs It does look like it is mix of lack of PGMs and targeting pods are the reason for this, even all the videos from Syria show Su-34 mainly using dumb bombs and rocket pods.
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In nod to Russia, Ukraine says no longer insisting on NATO membership. Report reads "Referring to NATO membership, Zelenskyy said through an interpreter that he does not want to be president of a 'country which is begging something on its knees."

Is this an indication that Ukraine is giving up, and there are lot of backstage discussions happening to diffuse the war situation? At least this report gives me a feeling that Russia is really winning the game at this point of time, despite what the pro-US media outlets want us to believe.

PS: When the war situation dies out; there could be demands from the 'entitled lot' in India to provide free transport back to Ukraine :roll:.
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The comment about begging is really instructive about weak nation's thinking that they have the strength to dictate outcomes. When they don't.

But this is more on US for conducting 2 seperate coup in Ukraine. The flower revolution of 2003-04 and then maidan.

This is also the second time in the last 100 years that ethnic Ukrainian's from western Ukraine have sided with a western power against the easterners.

The last time they were fighting along side Germans in WW2.

Between 2008 till now. It's the second time. Again the Nazi elements have taken centre stage. Groups such as C14, Right Sector, and Azov batallion.
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ramana wrote:Verry glad that we stopped Time subscription years ago.
Also, it would be nice if the author's name is also posted.

Looks like a certified moron.
In his, Bengal, Jihadidi has outdone renowned despots and he rants about India!!!
Typical left dreg living in the US and writing nonsense.
His name is Debashis Roy Choudhry. Based in Hong Kong supposedly. TIME & others consider him an 'India Expert' because he regularly bashes BJP/Modi as illiberal, authoritarian etc (while living in Hong Kong!) After all, per the recent job posting by NY Times, that's the only qualification an "India Expert" needs to have.

https://mobile.twitter.com/planet_deb?lang=en
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ramana wrote:Verry glad that we stopped Time subscription years ago.
Also, it would be nice if the author's name is also posted.

Looks like a certified moron.
In his, Bengal, Jihadidi has outdone renowned despots and he rants about India!!!
Typical left dreg living in the US and writing nonsense.
From the same story here’s an example of how Time’s editorial standards have fallen. In the article the killed Indian student’s surname has been misspelled in the space of the two opening paragraphs.

Gyanagoudar: as in-
On Mar. 1, Naveen S. Gyanagoudar left his bunker
Gyanagouda’s (missing the last ‘r’) as in -
On Wednesday, the Russian ambassador to India announced that Moscow would investigate Gyanagouda’s death
Unless I’m missing some local language nomenclature.

Seems minor? Believe you me, by the standards of ‘international journalism’ it’s just lazy, uninformed and cavalier. This wouldn’t have passed review in the first editing cycle of my desi publication two decades ago. Far less Time.
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nachiket wrote:
John wrote: I do know Ukr do have some night vision googles for their spec ops and likely also have some night vision scope for their Manpads but probably not to a large extent. I suspect it is one of reasons Su-34 are being used more in night time bombing runs now.
Ideally you'd have expected the Russians to concentrate on high altitude precision strikes which would keep their aircraft well out of MANPAD range. But we have seen a lot of low level bombing runs from Su-25's and Su-34's which led to the losses. Two possible reasons for this. One being the Russians could not or did not do adequate SEAD and Ukraine's Buk/Tor/S300's are mostly still alive so flying high is dangerous. And second which I believe more likely is a lack of enough PGM's and PGM capable platforms. I mean they are probably the only major airforce which does not have a modern targeting pod in service.
There could be other reasons also:
They want to save their best for a scenario where other countries start putting boots on the ground, if it comes right down to it. So far they seem to be using stuff that they can afford to expend. V. Few t90s, let alone armata for example. No backfires, let alone tu160. Ityadu. Just use up old expendable inventory.
Another reason might be that they don't see the need for precision hits vs army formations, perhaps better to use these vs civilian sites to limit casualties Ina drawn out situation.
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^or maybe they spent most budget on Yasen, Borei, Bulava, Sarmat & Hypersonics focused on armageddon with USA thinking they never have to fight serious conventional war.
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Russia is very nervous how this might turn up militarily. They sent in the junk early days to see the reaction of the world. After that, it has been little more better but no hi tech stuff. With the spy planes circling constantly around borders, Russia doesn't want to reveal anything where they don't want to. If anything goes kinetic, they will still have the surprise element from the hi tech weaponry they have.
So, Ukraine may take longer but they can do it without revealing their full capability.
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Apparently there are 2000 Indian medical students in Belarus getting jittery now. Cant exit since their units are insisting on attendance and most commercial airlines currently ceased to operate there.
Operation Yamuna next !
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Cain Marko wrote: There could be other reasons also:
They want to save their best for a scenario where other countries start putting boots on the ground, if it comes right down to it. So far they seem to be using stuff that they can afford to expend. V. Few t90s, let alone armata for example. No backfires, let alone tu160. Ityadu. Just use up old expendable inventory.
Another reason might be that they don't see the need for precision hits vs army formations, perhaps better to use these vs civilian sites to limit casualties Ina drawn out situation.
T-14: Currently there is doubt that even 20 or so T-14 for operations testing has been manufactured.
Tu-22m or Tu-160: it makes no sense to deploy them given the range and the fact they already have Su-30 and Su-34. Given latter are far more survivable in low altitude bombing and still get shot down, why exactly would you deploy them?
T-90: Russia fields about 300 of them and these are undergoing upgrades as well so likely they were not all available. But we have so far seen atleast dozen or so which is pretty good #. We have seen T-72B3 obr.2016 which is the newest tank they have in their arsenal in pretty large #s which is surprising.

Apart from that S-400 in Belarus , Pantsir, latest BMPs and Tor have been seen. So not sure what people are expecting to see? You can make a case the older items deployed along with them aren’t well maintained.
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https://swarajyamag.com/world/open-to-c ... -zelenskyy
Open To Compromise On Donetsk And Lugansk; Not Insisting On NATO Membership: Ukrainian President Zelenskyy
Saying that “the alliance is afraid of controversial things, and confrontation with Russia,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said that he is no more looking forward to a membership of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) for his country. “I have cooled down regarding this question a long time ago after we understood that NATO is not prepared to accept Ukraine,” said Zelenskyy.

The statement from comedian-turned political leader of Ukraine comes while Russia’s special military operation in the country entered its 14th day. Potential NATO membership of Ukraine has been one of the biggest bones of contention between the former-Soviet neighbours and has been considered amongst prime reasons for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision on carrying out the ongoing military operations.
Time to ceasefire, compromise and move on. Hope Modii can help them heal.
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Article by Rahul Bedi on the impact on the Indian armed forces of the widespread sanctions placed on Russian defence manufacturers

Russia Sanctions: US Hoist With Its Own Petard in Dealings With India
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A two part youtube series by Oliver Stone on Ukraine. Gives a lot of the background of how Ukraine has evolved, it's Nazi collaboration and the color revolutions. Don't know if it's been posted before:



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https://unherd.com/2022/03/is-this-ukra ... for-peace/
The first is the war on social media: in this war, a combination of genuine and impressive Ukrainian tactical successes and inspiring but self-evidently dubious propaganda stories meld into a narrative of a shambolic Russian army falling apart after failing to seize Kyiv on the first day of war and sinking into a quagmire it cannot win. Boosted by social media influencers, some online veterans of earlier narrative wars, this is clearly the dominant framework, a heroic David and Goliath story emotionally resonant to external well-wishers.

And then there’s the second war, the one on the ground. Every day, new maps are released by professional and amateur military analysts which make grim reading for Ukraine’s supporters. In the south and in the east, a great pincer is slowly grinding forward to surround the bulk of Ukraine’s troops deployed along the line of contact against separatist (that is, pro-Russian Ukrainian) forces. If these Ukrainian troops do not withdraw soon, and form a new defensive line further to the northwest, they will be encircled, starved of supplies and rendered ineffective. In smaller pockets, like the defenders of Mariupol, they will simply be destroyed by artillery.

In the northeast, Russian troops have bypassed the near-besieged city of Kharkiv, nearly encircled the strategic city of Chernihiv, and are moving in force on Kyiv’s eastern suburbs. Around a week ago, the first reconnaissance units were seen outside the satellite town of Brovary. Now they have been reinforced with armoured battalion tactical groups (BTGs) and artillery units, which have begun shelling the area around Kyiv’s Boryspil international airport, presumably to soften it up before continuing to tighten their noose around the city.
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This is congruent with my remark of Berlin 1945 a few days ago.

MSM just continues to lose credibility, it’s merely agitprop now.
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With big job losses, stuttering economy, yet no internal and public pressure on Putin. This whole episode tells more on Russia's politics and democracy than Ukraine.
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To add some context on the view from Europe, I am sharing an article by a very respected German constitutional court judge (retired). The interesting thing is that he is criticising the prevailing public opinion in Germany and taking a stand almost diametrically opposed to it, so you get both sides of picture. The original article is published in Spiegel https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ukraine ... 65146ee8a8
In the midst of the escalation of war, the German government is arguing that it is important for Germany's internal peace to continue importing Russian gas and oil. The idea is correct and can be built upon.
Feeling

As is well known, people who are in great distress and fear tend not to tell each other how badly they are doing. With distance grows the need to share in the suffering of others in a strangely unifying way.

Now, compassion and sympathy are certainly not suspicious motives; they are rightly regarded as a high human quality in the evolutionary, social and psychological sense. But one has to be careful: Rarely are voyeurism and pleasure in not suffering oneself so cheap and also available with such fervor of being good. In fact, everyone knows that too. That is why they despise and punish the "gawkers," the "onlookers," the "disaster tourists" who are always the others. If you ask the "gawkers" themselves, they are always there out of pity.

Battle plans

In the case of foreign war, there is something else. For example, a great desire to punish, the pleasure of finding and torturing guilty people, traitors and enemies, not least in their own ranks, as punishment for fear. That is why Russian bagged soups are removed from shelves, Russian singers are thrown out of ensembles, and friends of Russians from dog-breeding clubs and parties. I don't know if the Hospital Association, the Patient Protection Foundation and the institutions of geriatric care have already asked all Russian nurses, orderlies and doctors either to wear gowns in Ukrainian national colors or to resign. Anything seems possible at the moment.

There is a personal level, there is a social level, and there is a state level. War takes place on the state level. There, personal courage is useful, but not necessary. Deserters are shot, draft dodgers are conscripted. Those in the trenches no longer have to worry about courage or fear. Nor, by the way, about the enemy. The enemy is where you shoot; from the pragmatic point of view of the company commander, this already follows from the fact that you would not shoot otherwise. It does not matter whether the enemy is nice, has just finished his medical studies or is also afraid. A KraussMaffei PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzer can shoot 30 kilometers with standard ammunition, 55 kilometers with V-LAP ammunition; 20 rounds in two minutes. At this range, it's not about heroes.

Of course, you can't say something like that if you don't want to be accused of hero contempt and traitorism. And not in Russia and not in Germany either. That's why 95 percent of war reports deal with the personal: fear, courage, depravity, ruthlessness, grief, suffering, hope. And even the worst enemy is trivialized to a psychopathic patient: On March 5, the "SZ" (a newspaper) devotes a whole page to the question of how Mr. Putin feels in the Kremlin.

Right and wrong

War is always about right and wrong. Whereby the right is always on one's own side, the wrong on the side of the opponent. "Violence decides between equal rights," said Karl Marx. He did not mean equally good or equally right, but equally powerful rights. Every general in the world agrees with him.

However, being right is neither a prerequisite for war nor even a guarantee of victory. That, whether and why "actually" the losers should have won is a retrospective analysis that has occupied countless generations of historians and political scientists; in the concrete case of war it is of no significance. Therefore, it must be clearly stated: the war in Ukraine will not be decided on the basis of what is right. Whether the Russian attack contradicts international law and is a crime only matters if there is a power that can enforce that law, that is, an overwhelming, greater power. Such a force exists in the form of the military potential of NATO, or rather, the United States. The problem is that the use of this force would make the question of who is "right" finally insignificant, because it would lead to the destruction of the whole of Europe and considerable other parts of the world.

This brings us to an area that is uncomfortable for people who want to feel protected in the warm nest of being right. This area is about politics, statesmanship and proportionality.
The government of a state is at least as responsible to the welfare and lives of its citizens as it is to being right, to heroism and to the principle of self-defense. In other words, waging an unwinnable war may be extraordinarily courageous, but it can also be very wrong. Now, one may object that the question of whether a war is unwinnable can always be answered definitively only afterwards. That is true. This is where the field of probability, strategy, military and political science begins. If it did not exist, the world would sink into a perpetual turmoil of battles.


Strategies

Specifically, what are the possibilities for Ukraine to win the war against Russia? Answer: None, unless third states intervene militarily or Russia would be threatened economically on an existential scale in the short term. The latter is not possible, the former is not seriously conceivable in view of the danger of nuclear war, because there is no way to get behind the logic of the threat of joint suicide.

The result: Ukraine will most probably lose this war. Neither justification nor pity will change this. If this result were certain, everyone would agree that it would be absurd and senseless to let several million people die for the sake of defeat. Is it really more sensible if and as long as the probability of victory is one or five percent? Do we really want to encourage Ukrainians to send their young generation to heroic death? German leading media ranting about the approaching "domestic warfare" of the civilian population against the Russian army?

People, very much including Germans, tend to sympathize with emotional images of holding out in "almost hopeless" positions, in castles, fortresses, etc. The purely politically motivated "strategy" of the Nazi elite to "declare" whole cities as fortresses during the World War was a particularly absurd and silly example of such romanticization of war and a crime against their own people. One may say (some do) that Ukraine should become Russia's Vietnam. This is an exceedingly cynical invitation of third parties to unimaginable suffering. No father and mother in Germany in their right mind would currently send their children to Ukraine to become "heroes" there.

The question is: What is the alternative? The alternative to defeat with very many casualties and tremendous destruction is defeat with few casualties and less destruction. One could, in other words, surrender. That would be a terrible defeat before the unjust violence. But 1000 living defeated are better than 1000 dead. And unlike death, victories never last forever.

If the analyses of the military and political strategists, who are now shooting out of the ground by the hundreds, are correct, then the war was lost a long time ago: When they trusted "Russia," when they disarmed, when they supposedly indulged in "illusions" (but meanwhile left no stone unturned to weaken Russia). Well then, we can talk about it when it is over. To iron out the old mistakes (if there were any) quickly by means of nuclear war would be a particularly stupid idea. And should the USA want to wage a nuclear war with Russia, Germany would certainly not be the part of the earth's surface whose protection would be particularly dear to both sides.

So what to do? If Russia wants to agree to "neutralize" Ukraine: So be it. The European Union, and Germany in particular, can help the Ukrainian people: Open the borders as much as it can. For ten million Ukrainians who are displaced. There is enough money; Mr. Scholz is known to have a money bazooka. Three days ago, the domestic policy spokesman of the CDU/CSU parliamentary group declared on DLF that "of course" the remarkable creed "2015 must not be repeated" does not apply if and insofar as people "from our own continent" are concerned. Rarely has racism sounded more noble. But after all: It does work! Let us follow the call of "Bild" (4. 3.): "Welcome in our hearts and homes!" However, one will have to move together, and many will feel a little less well. On Sunday, March 6, the word "refugee crisis" was now heard for the first time. Berlin, capital of freedom, is said to be on the verge of nervous and administrative breakdown again.
Oil and gas

The assumption that Germany and the EU could now go into a kind of reverse gear and return to the fine days of security in the 1950s to 1980s is completely absurd. Enthusiastically, therefore, all those who are afraid of the confusion of the new world are pouncing on it. One can understand this and also have temporary sympathy for it; however, this does not make it any more intelligent. Russia will continue to exist, Ukraine will continue to exist. The Putin system will pass away, the USA will continue to change rapidly, as will China.

The German chancellor and his economics minister Robert Habeck are right: Of course, one should continue to buy oil and gas from Russia, eat Russian soup and let Russian singers sing. Whether one confiscates the "oligarch" ships in Hamburg is of secondary importance. However, one could take the opportunity to confiscate a few Arab, American and Chinese boats and use them to rescue migrants in the Mediterranean.

Of course, one must take precautions not to become a victim of warlike violence oneself. Whether one must therefore fall into enthusiasm over Scholz's 100 billion (The German army's budget has been increased by this much as an exceptional measure), the jingling of which, far from the constitution and beyond parliament, allowed the Chancellor of the Uncertain to mature into the Chancellor of Conscience, I dare to doubt. Most recently, one could read in the business section that the defense industry must finally be included in the subsidy programs because of sustainability. The German is like the Russian and the cockroach: no crack remains unused.

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from the horse's mouth: US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nukand at the Congressional Hearing: “There are biological research facilities in Ukraine, and we fear Russia will take control of them.”

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Thanks for posting that German article RaviB ji. You translated it? Commendable effort.
Rarely are voyeurism and pleasure in not suffering oneself so cheap and also available with such fervor of being good.
That sums up the mad orgy of sanctions and gratuitous punishments readily handed out in this woke soaked era.
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https://twitter.com/WIONews/status/1501581531709861896
WION @WIONews

@palkisu
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+ Russia's Ukraine invasion: Day 14

+ First signs of a compromise in Ukraine?

+
@ZelenskyyUa
open to abandoning NATO bid

+ US shoots down Poland's fighter jet offer

+
@JoeBiden's loss: Saudi, Emirati leaders decline calls

Palkiji's coverage is now balanced. very good video report
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Cyrano wrote:Thanks for posting that German article RaviB ji. You translated it? Commendable effort.
Rarely are voyeurism and pleasure in not suffering oneself so cheap and also available with such fervor of being good.
That sums up the mad orgy of sanctions and gratuitous punishments readily handed out in this woke soaked era.
Cyrano ji, thank you. I didn't do anything much. The main work of translating was done by deepl. I just corrected a few things and changed a few words to make sure the meaning came across.
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Cyrano wrote:from the horse's mouth: US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nukand at the Congressional Hearing: “There are biological research facilities in Ukraine, and we fear Russia will take control of them.”

The scariest part is at the beginning - when the guy asks "does Ukr have chemical/bio weapons" and the woman gives the shiftiest possible answer and body language.."they have biological research facilities"....
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On a lighter side , after seeing the Ruskii Blitz turn to a crawl I am bracing for a Blitz by Arnab go Swamy today
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The entire world is being buffeted by asinine stupid decisions of woke culture to ban everything. Once again the common man is f'ed by sky rocketing costs and sudden induced inflation. Another world disaster in the making with the sure fingerprints of ex colonial powerhouse the Brits and their adopted culture worldwide.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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bala wrote:The entire world is being buffeted by asinine stupid decisions of woke culture to ban everything.
What does "Woke" got anything to do with this Russi-Uki drama?
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The West is playing a big role by providing real time intelligence and I think probably sophisticated equipments to listen in as well. Russia will have to really come up with something quickly against this.
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Looks like schools @ Macron spoke to Putin. Hope fully this ends soon. The ball is in Zelensky’s court
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There are a couple of interesting reports out of UK: their defence secretary is mulling to send Starstreak manpads to Ukraine. The other is that some British army soldiers have gone AWOL to join Ukraine fighting. Me thinks the latter is plausible deniability in case the British “advisers” on ground with UKA get caught…
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I got a whatsapp forward of some english news channel where they were claiming around 60 killed in Russian attack, and standing in front of bodies covered by blankets/wraps . Even as the reporter was speaking, one of the "bodies" was trying to adjust the blanket over him/her :D . This has become more of a media management warfare now!
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VP Archana Puran Singh (Kapil Sharma show host) was speaking at press conference with Poland president today. Chewtias like this will only drag this conflict out further.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60680471

Just for the record, BBC censors the honest remarks revealing how Royals think wars are a not-white thing. Tut tut
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Tanaji wrote:There are a couple of interesting reports out of UK: their defence secretary is mulling to send Starstreak manpads to Ukraine. The other is that some British army soldiers have gone AWOL to join Ukraine fighting. Me thinks the latter is plausible deniability in case the British “advisers” on ground with UKA get caught…
I highly doubt any advisors are involved given the nature of this conflict it is not like they can help much either. Starstreak and Iron dome where requested by Ukranians prior to conflict both were denied by their respective nations not wanting to antagonize Russia and also Ukrainian parliament held back plans for 2 ASuW batteries using their Neptune AshM fearing Russian retaliation.

If Ukrainians had actually had received them this would turned out even worse for Russia.

As for conflict i suggested that Russia had to take Kyiv in 2 days back when conflict started otherwise it would expensive op for Russia and I know few folks where quick to counter that but that assessment turned out to be right.

Based on what I am seeing Russia casualty figures of around 6k+ is very likely and keep in mind no one knows what is happening up north so it could be worse.
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Gerard Schroeder, ex German Chancellor and involved with Nordstream 2 has gone to Moscow at Zelensky's request to mediate. Schroeder is very close to Putin. Lend's credence to the theory that various persons have tried to convince Putin to enter into direct negotiations with Zelensky and failed. Modi tried and the Russians would not even acknowledge this in their official summary of the Modi-Putin talk.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by UBanerjee »

Cyrano wrote:from the horse's mouth: US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nukand at the Congressional Hearing: “There are biological research facilities in Ukraine, and we fear Russia will take control of them.”

Watching stuff like this just confirms that the US government is psychotic.

I hope the Russians keep digging.

In India, the English language media is far more compromised than the native lagnuage broadcasts. Hindi broadcast is covering the bio weapon story in much more detail than the English.
How far the English language has fallen.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by John »

The Javelin cages seem to be not offering much protection

https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/15 ... 94048?s=21

Footage of Kalibr missile launches by Russian navy

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... 58049?s=21
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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The missile hit was not top attack, but from the side. The cage is untouched.

How did you determine the missile launched was Kalibr?
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by KL Dubey »

https://liveuamap.com/

This map was posted last week by a BRF member...it seems to have a Pakrainian slant (I guess because those are the people reporting incidents)...but it is clear that the Russians are choking/encircling almost all the major cities except Odessa and Lvov.

Kherson is already taken and already being used as a base for thrusts in the surrounding area.

Sumy, Mykolayev (main shipbuilding center), and Chernihov seem almost completely encircled. Kiev, Kharkov, and Mariupol are being shelled out as the encirclement proceeds.

It looks like the ground war is moving to a very different outcome than the twitter war....
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

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I am getting sick of Indian Express. They are printing daily lies/propaganda of NYT in total ... so many stories from white racist propaganda network. We need to infiltrate editorial boards of TOIlet/IE
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

Post by rsingh »

Tanaji wrote:There are a couple of interesting reports out of UK: their defence secretary is mulling to send Starstreak manpads to Ukraine. The other is that some British army soldiers have gone AWOL to join Ukraine fighting. Me thinks the latter is plausible deniability in case the British “advisers” on ground with UKA get caught…
Checchens are formidable and brutal fighters. They do not care much about Geneva convention.
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