Apparently it was top hit and was confirmed by few folks, the cage has a hole in hit and the explosion you see on the side from internal explosion or someone decided to fire an rpg for good measure.Cyrano wrote:The missile hit was not top attack, but from the side. The cage is untouched.
How did you determine the missile launched was Kalibr?
Then whose map would you use? Al Jazerra is no different same with ones from Chinese or our media as well.KL Dubey wrote:https://liveuamap.com/
This map was posted last week by a BRF member...it seems to have a Pakrainian slant (I guess because those are the people reporting incidents)...but it is clear that the Russians are choking/encircling almost all the major cities except Odessa and Lvov.
I posted that and the website is built/maintained by Ukrainians. Most of the videos/pics uploaded are from Ukrainians as well so we have to account for that.John wrote:Then whose map would you use? Al Jazerra is no different same with ones from Chinese or our media as well.KL Dubey wrote:https://liveuamap.com/
This map was posted last week by a BRF member...it seems to have a Pakrainian slant (I guess because those are the people reporting incidents)...but it is clear that the Russians are choking/encircling almost all the major cities except Odessa and Lvov.
Mort Walker wrote:VP Archana Puran Singh (Kapil Sharma show host) was speaking at press conference with Poland president today. Chewtias like this will only drag this conflict out further.
GOI needs to control Indian media sooner rather than later.vijayk wrote:I am getting sick of Indian Express. They are printing daily lies/propaganda of NYT in total ... so many stories from white racist propaganda network. We need to infiltrate editorial boards of TOIlet/IE
Clever West NATO is so clever that every day they jump and do some new action to say "f--k YOO RUSSIA" without any plan, any concept, any strategy.bala wrote:The information war is always slanted towards "Clever West/Nato" and "Stupid/Bumbling Russia". When you reflect on the collective decisions made by the "Clever West/Nato" it turns out to be mightly stupid and asinine, since they have a little chip on their shoulders which places them morally above others and the rest are all bumbling fools. Their actions are done from this angle always and rest be damned. They don't understand a chess player like Putin.
I didn't say we should use another map. I just said the inputs seem all from Pakranians (as opposed to, say, Russians involved on the ground) so take it FWIW.John wrote:Then whose map would you use? Al Jazerra is no different same with ones from Chinese or our media as well.KL Dubey wrote:https://liveuamap.com/
This map was posted last week by a BRF member...it seems to have a Pakrainian slant (I guess because those are the people reporting incidents)...but it is clear that the Russians are choking/encircling almost all the major cities except Odessa and Lvov.
They can, but they won't. One thing, Russia's power projection has diminished significantly since the heydays of coldwar. Russia can do it but it will take enormous resources to project nuclear power outside of its continent and I don't think Russia is in a position to expend such resources now. Venuzuela might entertain the idea, but I doubt Cuba will. A lot has happened for US-Cuba relationship in the last decade and half and I will surprised if Cuba will go the extent of reliving the past 70 years as its future.bala wrote:Russia can revive their plan of placing missiles with nukes in Cuba/Venuzuela or take over some island of the americas.
Control the MEDIA??? Do you want India to turn to a dictatorship, emulate China? Be careful what you ask for, else you will find yourself living in China.UBanerjee wrote:GOI needs to control Indian media sooner rather than later.vijayk wrote:I am getting sick of Indian Express. They are printing daily lies/propaganda of NYT in total ... so many stories from white racist propaganda network. We need to infiltrate editorial boards of TOIlet/IE
Otherwise, as we can see in the present day, not controlling your media means the US controls your media, pure and simple.
The US media network, despite the vast lies and propaganda they have spewed, still carry the most prestige and due to this, people who worship prestige and power will automatically download US propaganda into their brains without really vetting it. Some of this is holdover from when the propaganda was smarter (50 years ago). Some of this is just due to US being the "only sooper power". In the last 30 years the propaganda has gotten much stupider, but the prestige isn't fully gone yet.
Saar agreed. Love the fenceless part! BTW the south used to call brits as Angelakaran, the angel is similar to Angela Merkel and Angel is district in Germany from where the AngloSaxons came. Heck the Brit Royals are also German blood. All adoptions/adaptations of ideas are therefore within the famiglia. Little known secret the bankers were controlling affairs both in Britain and Germany.hnair wrote:OT to this thread: But need to point out, bala, the term “famines” sound as if it might have been natural causes and not deliberate. The terms we should diligently use for those horrendous crimes of british should be changed to “Indian Holocausts” committed by the imperialist british using fenceless concentration camps (a british innovation which doesn’t have as much recognition as their other innovation, the regular concentration camps that nazis later adopted and improved)
Why do we have to abide by US's sanctions? Either we are independent country.. or still a slave of US/EU.yensoy wrote:Is this a great opportunity to hire some top brains from Russia directly into Indian labs/research facilities to help with our defence/strategic efforts? This would bypass sanctions because it will be a pact with individuals in their own capacity - that hasn't been sanctioned and probably will never be because even at the height of cold war US hired the best and brightest from ex-soviet block and continues to do so from Iran and China.
They don't necessarily need to be PhD types, but even expert machinists and craftsmen/women will be welcome to add expertise to our facilities.
No we are not - India never really cared. Pushing a pro-west POV is ok to a point in this thread. Don’t push your posts into a hanging threat over India or it’s interests.yensoy wrote:Please spare the bravado. We are always watchful for US/western sanctions because large parts of our economy is tied to the west.
Mod saar, I don't know why it is so difficult to understand my question...hnair wrote:No we are not - India never really cared. Pushing a pro-west POV is ok to a point in this thread. Don’t push your posts into a hanging threat over India or it’s interests.yensoy wrote:Please spare the bravado. We are always watchful for US/western sanctions because large parts of our economy is tied to the west.
This is good to know and answers my question, but maybe we should push it up a notch and actually get their people, like China has done over the years. This is a good opportunity if their MIC faces prolonged headwinds.hnair wrote:India has hired Russian and Ukrainian firms as consultants for sensitive projects that US has sanctioned or tried to prohibit in the past and which rest of west does not like. Again consultancy, instead of poaching their talent. It will still continue in many threads.
And if the Russians steal stuff from Ukraine, then surely UK will be OK with that. Having stolen trillions of dollars and still holding on the Koh-I-Noor and other Indian possessions, they are the one nation which is in agreement in with stealing.hnair wrote:OT to this thread: But need to point out, bala, the term “famines” sound as if it might have been natural causes and not deliberate. The terms we should diligently use for those horrendous crimes of british should be changed to “Indian Holocausts” committed by the imperialist british using fenceless concentration camps (a british innovation which doesn’t have as much recognition as their other innovation, the regular concentration camps that nazis later adopted and improved)
UK is Loot-R-US and STEAL-R-US country. Little do Indians know that the UK systematically stole all the Jewels/Gold of India (remember India was a Rich country due to Spice trade and other stuff including Knowledge). All the wars between the Mughals and Hindu Rajas were instigated by the Brits and then once the loot was collected they would finish of the Mughal satrap e.g. Tipu was finished by the Brits. The Taj had solid gold/jewels which the Brits took away. They were shipped to Britain and the entire banking base of Gold was established, not only in Britain but in Germany, Swiss etc. I would say that Britain stole stuff to the tune of 300+Trillion pounds from Indian Sub-continent. That is like wiping out your retirement account generation after generation. Prior to world war II the Indian Exchequer and Britain Exchequer were separate. After World War II, the US asked Britain to pay for expenses. Britain deducted the costs from the Indian Exchequer, leaving India as pauper/poor nation.surinder wrote:UK Having stolen trillions of dollars and still holding on the Koh-I-Noor and other Indian possessions, they are the one nation which is in agreement in with stealing.
GoI cannot control media under current legal framework. Zero chance. Media needs money. US/UK have control on their media because they throw money on them. There is a cost involved. Worse, India has opened gates for foreign investments in media, so foreigners will always control the narrative IN India. Patriotism/Desh Bhakti can only have a limited number of audience. There's people far beyond that and you cannot expect them to be desh bhakts. They will always be money-bhakts. paisa bolta hai. Limiting foreign investment can help somewhat.UBanerjee wrote:GOI needs to control Indian media sooner rather than later.vijayk wrote:I am getting sick of Indian Express. They are printing daily lies/propaganda of NYT in total ... so many stories from white racist propaganda network. We need to infiltrate editorial boards of TOIlet/IE
Otherwise, as we can see in the present day, not controlling your media means the US controls your media, pure and simple.
The US media network, despite the vast lies and propaganda they have spewed, still carry the most prestige and due to this, people who worship prestige and power will automatically download US propaganda into their brains without really vetting it. Some of this is holdover from when the propaganda was smarter (50 years ago). Some of this is just due to US being the "only sooper power". In the last 30 years the propaganda has gotten much stupider, but the prestige isn't fully gone yet.
Quite impressive fire-power.Cyrano wrote:Turn your speakers volume down
What weaponry are the Ukranian soldiers carrying?