Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

DheerajG · Post by **DheerajG** » 11 Mar 2022 20:51

Incident happened on 9th March and clarification released on 11th March. If this is indeed a mistake, then this is a subtle way of saying to Pakis that we know you won't do anything about it so we took our time to clarify. IMO, it doesn't seems to be a mistake.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 11 Mar 2022 20:52

We have to admit it because admitting it adds credibility that we are a serious country/armed-forces. That we are not Pakis. So, when we say we shot down an F-16 or that we didn't lose a Sukhoi, it is true

SidSoma · Post by **SidSoma** » 11 Mar 2022 21:00

Prem Kumar wrote:We have to admit it because admitting it adds credibility that we are a serious country/armed-forces. That we are not Pakis. So, when we say we shot down an F-16 or that we didn't lose a Sukhoi, it is true

All is fair in love and war.

Why the hell are the swiss reporting this ...??

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/india-says ... n/47423784

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 11 Mar 2022 21:11

Times Of India: India accidentally fired missile into Pakistan: Defence ministry

NEW DELHI: India on Friday said that a technical malfunction led to accidental firing of a missile into Pakistan and the incident is "deeply regretted".

"On 9 March 2022, in the course of routine maintenance, a technical malfunction led to the accidental firing of a missile. The Government of India has taken a serious view and ordered a high-level Court of Enquiry," the defence ministry said in a statement.

It added that the missile landed in an area of Pakistan and the incident is "deeply regrettable".

Hindustan Times: India says accidentally fired missile into Pakistan, orders probe

Srikanth P · Post by **Srikanth P** » 11 Mar 2022 22:28

How could we "accidentally" allow a brahmos missile to fall into enemy territory? Remember how the chini reverse engineered the sidewinder missiles the pukis laid hands on? This is surely fishy / result of some espionage.

basant · Post by **basant** » 11 Mar 2022 22:40

Srikanth P wrote:How could we "accidentally" allow a brahmos missile to fall into enemy territory? Remember how the chini reverse engineered the sidewinder missiles the pukis laid hands on? This is surely fishy / result of some espionage.

Missiles are useful when they don't explode, like a few cruise missiles that landed in Pak during Afhgan war that ended up with the Chinese. Very little might remain that might be useful to them after the crash. Plus, the Chinese alreaddy have the CX-1, suspected to be a reverse-engineered Brahmos.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 11 Mar 2022 23:49

that missile landed intact. This as you can see from the debris would have barely bene intact

dineshchaturvedi · Post by **dineshchaturvedi** » 11 Mar 2022 23:51

SidSoma wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:We have to admit it because admitting it adds credibility that we are a serious country/armed-forces. That we are not Pakis. So, when we say we shot down an F-16 or that we didn't lose a Sukhoi, it is true
All is fair in love and war.

Why the hell are the swiss reporting this ...??

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/india-says ... n/47423784

Side effects of Indians working on foreign media.

dineshchaturvedi · Post by **dineshchaturvedi** » 11 Mar 2022 23:53

Few claims I have seen in various media. Does anyone know the details?
1) Missile was unarmed or had a smaller explosive.
2) Missile did not had Indian markings and it was removed.

John · Post by **John** » 12 Mar 2022 00:05

basant wrote:
Srikanth P wrote:How could we "accidentally" allow a brahmos missile to fall into enemy territory? Remember how the chini reverse engineered the sidewinder missiles the pukis laid hands on? This is surely fishy / result of some espionage.
Missiles are useful when they don't explode, like a few cruise missiles that landed in Pak during Afhgan war that ended up with the Chinese. Very little might remain that might be useful to them after the crash. Plus, the Chinese alreaddy have the CX-1, suspected to be a reverse-engineered Brahmos.

CX-1 is based on Yakhont which supposedly China helped fund and likely got the tech in exchange.

nam · Post by **nam** » 12 Mar 2022 00:30

On a side note, we broke the record of 60 KM( or was it 90) target inside Pak.

We are now at 124km.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 12 Mar 2022 01:14

Well that's what will happen if you have default variables set and trigger the ci/cd pipeline by mistake

(pardon mods, but some humor on this occasion)

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 12 Mar 2022 02:46

shravanp wrote:Well that's what will happen if you have default variables set and trigger the ci/cd pipeline by mistake

(pardon mods, but some humor on this occasion)

LOL.

But on a serious note, this is unpardonable. Heads need to roll.

Leonard · Post by **Leonard** » 12 Mar 2022 03:16

Cross-posted --

Why this BS about "no warhead" ? ..

Listen to dialogue on this YT video .. eyewitness comments ..

Massive Blast ..
5-7 houses totally flattened ..

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxe5MATe ... e=emb_logo

Bajwa's legs must be automatically doing MJ style break-dancing ?

sajaym · Post by **sajaym** » 12 Mar 2022 07:20

Nobody seems to have commented on one aspect...this incident clearly shows that there are well established protocols between both countries regarding accidental discharge. And in this case all those protocols seem to have worked well... otherwise...most of you would've already been choking on nuclear dust.

SidSoma · Post by **SidSoma** » 12 Mar 2022 07:34

https://twitter.com/rajfortyseven/statu ... 9580162049

#Pakistan the #terrorist state:
Curious case of missing building & #India’s accidental firing.
#PakistanArmy #AAD claims missile hit wall, no casualties.
Missile at 3 Mach takes barely 200 secs for 207km not 7 mins as claimed.
Missile was obviously NOT tracked.

Srikanth P · Post by **Srikanth P** » 12 Mar 2022 07:39

sajaym wrote:Nobody seems to have commented on one aspect...this incident clearly shows that there are well established protocols between both countries regarding accidental discharge. And in this case all those protocols seem to have worked well... otherwise...most of you would've already been choking on nuclear dust.

Well, that and we also know now that Pakistan won't raise a whimper if India has an "accidental discharge".

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 12 Mar 2022 08:42

Srikanth P wrote:How could we "accidentally" allow a brahmos missile to fall into enemy territory?

Not "Fall Into" , but "Hit Enemy Territory."

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 12 Mar 2022 12:00

I am intrigued that the missile carried a inert warhead. This seems less of a tech glitch and more of sending a message and then saying that yes the pigeon was ours.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 12 Mar 2022 12:26

As per the video guy, PA cleared the area for two days. Several buildings flattened. Seems some kind of workshop with machines was hit. No warhead is a joke.

Earlier report in dawn claimed private aircraft crashed into cold storage facility

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 12 Mar 2022 12:37

Per Doc Shiv, this is the location

https://twitter.com/bennedose/status/15 ... ax7tkpAAAA

shiv
@bennedose
The missile landed near Bakshu Hotel, Mian Channu
These are the coordinates of the missile hit
30°27'7.14"N 72°24'12.47"E

rrao · Post by **rrao** » 12 Mar 2022 13:03

if the missile didnt explode it will reveal a lot about the seeker, inertial nav system, on board guidance and control computer...etc... very perplexing... how can the missile by fired like that with so many safety interlocks before launch...if they can get the missile intact ...then they wil pass on to china for dissection and copy....china might be having yakhont types already with them...

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 12 Mar 2022 13:31

Flattened buildings from video above

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 12 Mar 2022 13:40

It seems like "accidental firing" is probably a mutual agreed narrative for public consumption...we probably got what we wanted behind the scenes & TSP can retain their H&D largely while India said "oops" & "sorry" publicly...no dangers from pressures of retaliation & subsequent escalation.

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 12 Mar 2022 14:44

This was not accidental. This was a warning from GoI for the Paki's to keep their hands off supporting or trying to revive Khalistan insurgency.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Mar 2022 14:48

Look at the video from the locals, severe Damage and Pak Army did cleaning for 2 days. and First 12-14 hours confusion. Looks like a Non State actors has been taken out.

Both sides now playing it down.

This was no warning, a missile worth a few million dollars was not fired simply. Pakis cannot admit. They dont want to loose more F16's as India is much more aware and better prepared after 27-Feb-19.

williams · Post by **williams** » 12 Mar 2022 15:20

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... alfunction

Pakistani officials said the missile was unarmed and had crashed near the country’s eastern city of Mian Channu, about 500 km (310 miles) from its capital Islamabad.

After India’s admission, Pakistan’s National Security adviser Moeed Yusuf said it was “highly irresponsible” of New Delhi not to inform Islamabad immediately of the inadvertent launch of a missile.

“The real circumstances surrounding this incident must also be investigated to ascertain if this was an inadvertent launch or something more intentional,” Yusuf said on Twitter.

A malfunction during maintenance? That too near the population center is highly unlikely. Missiles of this caliber should have robust C3I. Hard to believe it happened by accident

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 12 Mar 2022 16:16

Could it be possible that someone achieved 72 and Big B helped him/them to take off

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 12 Mar 2022 16:29

Or could it be a message on the eve of 1993 serial blasts ??

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 Mar 2022 17:11

Guys,
Why are we so quick to self flagellate with statements like

"this is unpardonable. Heads need to roll."
"otherwise...most of you would've already been choking on nuclear dust."

MoD statement itself could be "ashwatthama atah... " We owe zero truthfulness to Pakis.

Assuming it was indeed a mistake, in a huge army like IA, some day somewhere a mistake can happen. Part of life. Some lessons will drawn and procedures tweaked. Thats all. No one needs to be punished.

The incident, assuming Pak's fuddy description of it is true, clearly reveals significant holes in their capabilities, operations and ability to react in time. I don't think they can be plugged so easily given the condition they are in.

IA & IAF would have gained precious insights from this incident.

As far as N-threat goes - this incident PROVES that Pakis are NOT on a N hair trigger. They do not have the detection, identification, classification, realtime threat assessment, response mechanism up & down the chain of command, decision making capacity and simply have NO BALLS to react within minutes to counter in a conventional manner, much less with N riposte where things will only be even more complicated with redundant checks etc.

Their civilian and military leaders seem to scurry into nearest bunker and hunker for hours shivering and browning their pants when faced with imminent threat. We saw it during surgical strikes, balakot and again now. Thrice is more than a pattern, its structural. By design or cowardice doesnt matter. Its what it is.

Don't worry have your favourite weekend curry !

SinghS · Post by **SinghS** » 12 Mar 2022 17:15

Its is clear that the missile was programmed with certain co-ordinates and certain flight path. Nothing else can explain it taking a 90 degree turn after certain distance and then cross the border and cruise lazily to a certain point.

Or was it a decision made by an intelligent MCU suddenly becoming self-aware.

Nsmith · Post by **Nsmith** » 12 Mar 2022 17:52

Possibility that it’s a high value target/ drugs depot/ paki drone c&c eliminated is much greater than it being an accidental mizzyle phyrr. If the former it is a HUGE departure from our past strategy and hence cannot assume that’s what happened here with conviction.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 12 Mar 2022 19:24

williams wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... alfunction
Pakistani officials said the missile was unarmed and had crashed near the country’s eastern city of Mian Channu, about 500 km (310 miles) from its capital Islamabad.

After India’s admission, Pakistan’s National Security adviser Moeed Yusuf said it was “highly irresponsible” of New Delhi not to inform Islamabad immediately of the inadvertent launch of a missile.

“The real circumstances surrounding this incident must also be investigated to ascertain if this was an inadvertent launch or something more intentional,” Yusuf said on Twitter.

A malfunction during maintenance? That too near the population center is highly unlikely. Missiles of this caliber should have robust C3I. Hard to believe it happened by accident

None of that sir. Found out the real reason.

It was a Bong Commanding officer ......
After a long day at work, inspecting missiles and launchers, he said:
"Oodi Baba...Eetna der ho giya!!! Cholo, obhi launch korta hai!!"
......and instead of proceeding to the mess for LUNCH, someone pressed the "LAUNCH" botton!!!!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Mar 2022 22:39

Nsmith wrote:Possibility that it’s a high value target/ drugs depot/ paki drone c&c eliminated is much greater than it being an accidental mizzyle phyrr. If the former it is a HUGE departure from our past strategy and hence cannot assume that’s what happened here with conviction.

This seems likely as Pakistani local video taken on 11 March showed 6-8 buildings flattened and the Paki Army had secured and cleaned the place from the night of 9 Mar to 11 Mar afternoon.

See the video posted by Sivab above. Clearly there was a warhead and from the video the place is haunted so people have died when soo much destruction has happened.

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 12 Mar 2022 23:11

If this was a mistake then it is unpardonable and not acceptable. I am also surprised at the hyper jingoism in BRF where instead of going into a technical discussion we are treating it like a joke.

What happens if If a mistake happens on a ballistic missile, what happens if the mistake is on China’s territory. It can exceed the nuclear threshold. A mistakenly fired middle can also land on Indian territory and cause fatalities.

One needs to investigate this throughly and make sure that processes are in place that doesn’t allow this to happen.

Few points-

A) the missile was fully fueled but not armed. Suggesting this could be a training exercise.

the missile followed a hi-hi-lo trajectory with a steep dive suggesting that one was trying to simulate a precision attack.
C) surprised that the middle didn’t have a self destruct switch. If it did then I it would mean the launch team didn’t have a clue that it was heading towards Pakistan.

D) Pakistan doesn’t yet have an effective mechanism to detect Mach 3 weapons flying through their airspace. They figured this out very late only probably after inspecting the debris.

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 12 Mar 2022 23:14

Also to remember - under Modi if India decides to launch an attack then it will own it and be proud of it. The new dispensation doesn’t do a missile attack and claim that it was a training exercise.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 12 Mar 2022 23:31

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Mar 2022 23:44

I think the official story there are too holes in it
1) Given the destruction in local Pakistani videos it does not look to have a missing warhead , how a missile stored in a canister be launched without the Warhead? How can it be fueled but without warhead and kept in the launcher

2) Nobody does test drills right at the Border, yes missile have been launched at Targets in Pokran but highly unlikely near the Punjab Border

Remember it was just after 2002 UP elections last phase ended was the Godhra train bogie was burnt. Perhaps the target and timing have some connection to it. Regarding owning up, it will only invite International attention and force Pakis to try some stunt. Something we felt is not required now.

Anoop · Post by **Anoop** » 13 Mar 2022 00:17

Mods, please put a lid on the un-necessary speculation in this thread. There is an official GoI statement that the incident is under investigation. In the meantime, people seem to want to reassure themselves, but personal insecurities don't have to be displayed on the forum.

saip · Post by **saip** » 13 Mar 2022 00:47

What is more surprising is Pakistan is NOT demanding a zillion dollar compensation as is their wont for this 'missile strike' only they are demanding details of our firing procedurs and SOP etc (like we are going to give it to them). This Moeed guy after being sidelined suddenly surfaces and makes the demands. Is it possible ISPR forgot to brief him?