Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]

kit · Post by **kit** » 27 Mar 2022 18:14

Tanaji wrote:
Pratyush wrote:
That is still a lot of money, most of which will be written off. This is on top of the said he has already gotten and the amount bordering countries will pay to house the refugees.

This is still entitled at Paki levels.

that's the clue.. i bet a lot of these monies go to their bank accounts

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 27 Mar 2022 19:38

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Mar 2022 19:54

Tanaji wrote:Is Baniansky the Bhindrawale of Ukraine? In the sense that he was propped up and encouraged by US and UK initially and now has grown too big and out of control. He can be restrained but only after tremendous costs in life, property and money.

Baniansky is now wagging the dog, and US and UK don’t have 100% control over the narrative.

Lol

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 27 Mar 2022 21:00

On NATO membership and ‘core principles,’ the US treads on thin ice
Ukraine supposedly has the ‘right’ to choose its alliances, but as Washington has proven in its own backyard, no country really does.

MARCH 24, 2022

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/ ... -thin-ice/

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 27 Mar 2022 23:30

Cyrano wrote:This is some bullshit demand from Zel-the-weasel. So if they get say 100 Leopards and Leclercs or 100 mirages/typhoons/migs/rafales, Ukr will suddenly take out of its Musharraf troops trained to operate them and skilled to execute effective combat tactics against the Russians to win the war ? This clown show is only for the most ignorant and gullible, which most EU people and leaders are.

Names like leopard similar to tiger of WWII are a big attack on Russian physics. These will be destroyed if brought to Ukraine.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 28 Mar 2022 00:03

Sean Penns said he will smelt his oscars if Zel Kundiwal's speech is not broadcast at the oscars. I wonder if he already smelted his oscars to protest the other wars where hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed and still being killed. what a stuck up moron. These euro buffoons are just too much.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 28 Mar 2022 00:55

Sean Penn is a Euro Buffon since when? We' are already overflowing here....

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 01:02

Cyrano wrote:Sean Penn is a Euro Buffon since when? We' are already overflowing here....

closet racists coming out of the woodworks .. i am fed up of seeing "support uke" in my browsers apps everywhere !.. where were these people during the umpteen conflicts and human miseries around the world?..

yogeshkumar · Post by **yogeshkumar** » 28 Mar 2022 01:28

At this point, things can go in two directions:
1) Russia keeps the Eastern Ukraine. Lets US/EU keep the western Ukraine as its puppet. And people call it a truce.

2) I doubt US DC cabal would agree to that. So second scenario is where US escalates this war to next stage. Somehow triggers some false-flag event that allows US/Nato to send their troops in Ukraine directly.

On this second point, Biden's violent rhetoric over the weekend in Poland is eye-opening. US state dept is walking back some of the statements that Biden made. But Biden must have made those remarks because his inner circle (his puppet masters) must have been discussing those internally with him. So doesn't seem like random mis-speak. rather spoken too soon.

Here is the analysis from Alex Christoforou who has been tracking this war closely.
"Biden in Poland, tells US troops to prepare for Ukraine, calls for regime change in Russia. Update 1"
https://rumble.com/vypczk-biden-in-pola ... e-cha.html

Seems like US/EU might be planning a false flag chemical attack to escalate this war even further.

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 02:10

yogeshkumar wrote:At this point, things can go in two directions:
1) Russia keeps the Eastern Ukraine. Lets US/EU keep the western Ukraine as its puppet. And people call it a truce.

2) I doubt US DC cabal would agree to that. So second scenario is where US escalates this war to next stage. Somehow triggers some false-flag event that allows US/Nato to send their troops in Ukraine directly.

On this second point, Biden's violent rhetoric over the weekend in Poland is eye-opening. US state dept is walking back some of the statements that Biden made. But Biden must have made those remarks because his inner circle (his puppet masters) must have been discussing those internally with him. So doesn't seem like random mis-speak. rather spoken too soon.

Here is the analysis from Alex Christoforou who has been tracking this war closely.
"Biden in Poland, tells US troops to prepare for Ukraine, calls for regime change in Russia. Update 1"
https://rumble.com/vypczk-biden-in-pola ... e-cha.html

Seems like US/EU might be planning a false flag chemical attack to escalate this war even further.

looks like Europe better prepare for a nuclear fallout !! .. is there anything limited in this scenario ?

yogeshkumar · Post by **yogeshkumar** » 28 Mar 2022 02:52

kit wrote:
yogeshkumar wrote:At this point, things can go in two directions:
1) Russia keeps the Eastern Ukraine. Lets US/EU keep the western Ukraine as its puppet. And people call it a truce.

2) I doubt US DC cabal would agree to that. So second scenario is where US escalates this war to next stage. Somehow triggers some false-flag event that allows US/Nato to send their troops in Ukraine directly.

On this second point, Biden's violent rhetoric over the weekend in Poland is eye-opening. US state dept is walking back some of the statements that Biden made. But Biden must have made those remarks because his inner circle (his puppet masters) must have been discussing those internally with him. So doesn't seem like random mis-speak. rather spoken too soon.

Here is the analysis from Alex Christoforou who has been tracking this war closely.
"Biden in Poland, tells US troops to prepare for Ukraine, calls for regime change in Russia. Update 1"
https://rumble.com/vypczk-biden-in-pola ... e-cha.html

Seems like US/EU might be planning a false flag chemical attack to escalate this war even further.
looks like Europe better prepare for a nuclear fallout !! .. is there anything limited in this scenario ?

Most EU countries are just US Vassal states. When US asks them to jump, only thing they say is "How high?"

So far this war is hurting EU the most, and benefiting China the Most. EU countries don't really control this war. This war is being planned and executed (on NATO's side) from somewhere in Washington DC's headquarters of CIA and Pentagon. Poland is just the transit point for trafficking weapons and foot soldiers into Ukraine. If War escalates and EU countries suffer, US couldn't care less. All they want is an excuse to involve Nato directly in the war.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Mar 2022 04:42

The standup comic genius finally agrees to do something that he should have accepted a month ago. Would have saved thousands of lives.

Ukraine ready to discuss neutral status - Zelensky

President Volodymyr Zelensky says Ukraine is prepared to discuss adopting a neutral status as part of a peace deal

But he says it would have to go to a referendum and be guaranteed by third parties

Dhimmi link: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60890199

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Mar 2022 05:00

^^^I don’t see the US, any European country, US ally, Russian ally as a neutral 3rd party. The only country that could guarantee the sanctity of a referendum is the EC of India.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 28 Mar 2022 05:19

kit wrote:
Cyrano wrote:Sean Penn is a Euro Buffon since when? We' are already overflowing here....
closet racists coming out of the woodworks .. i am fed up of seeing "support uke" in my browsers apps everywhere !.. where were these people during the umpteen conflicts and human miseries around the world?..

I saw a meme saying "I support urine"

Mutna baand karo

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 28 Mar 2022 07:36

Cyrano wrote:Sean Penn is a Euro Buffon since when? We' are already overflowing here....

I thought he moved for good to Euro lala land from land of the freedom fries.

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 28 Mar 2022 10:44

Lots of articles about India buying cheap Russian gas across muktiple financial magazines. I guess we know what's going to happen next. The moral western brigade is going to be out now to shame India.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 28 Mar 2022 11:10

Did India buy any more than the first 3M barrels? That’s like 9 hours worth of our consumption. How much did Germany buy since the war started?

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 28 Mar 2022 11:59

Tanaji wrote:Did India buy any more than the first 3M barrels? That’s like 9 hours worth of our consumption. How much did Germany buy since the war started?

https://youtu.be/6OwrwsHBK_I

This describes in more detail the quantity of Indian purchase. It is insignificant.

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 12:52

Wonders never cease

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 12:53

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 12:59

Remember this ?!

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 13:00

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kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 13:02

European parliament admitting attacks on ethnic Greek civilians in Mariupol region by Ukrainians.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/do ... 78_EN.html

Ukrainian fanaticism has already claimed the first lives in this fresh conflict. On 13 February 2022, two Ukrainians of Greek descent were perceived as enemies and killed and two others were injured in a act perpetrated by individuals who were, in all likelihood, fanatical Ukrainian soldiers.

According to the ‘Save Donbass’ representative, the circumstances surrounding the two deaths, the identity of the soldiers, their unit and the likelihood of them being brought before a military tribunal have not been elucidated.

The area is being terrorised by not only Ukrainian soldiers but also mercenaries and neo-Nazi security forces. Although Ukraine has ratified the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities, it appears that non-Ukrainians are, without exception, no longer welcome in the country.

The attack took place in the village of Hranitne, which is home to a community of around 3 500 Greeks that has been living there for about 2 500 years and speaks a dialect similar to that spoken in the Georgian district of Tsalka. The first Greek church and school were erected there in the 7th century.

In view of this:

1. Can the Commission say how it plans to uncover the truth behind the killing of the two ethnic Greeks?

2. Given that the EU is funding the 2016-2023 ‘U-LEAD with Europe’ multi-donor action programme, what action has been taken and commitments made at local and regional level for the protection of the Greek community in Ukraine?

3. Does the Commission consider that Ukraine should step up the special status of the Greek minority?

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 13:14

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 17:18

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 Mar 2022 17:31

WAR IS GOOD BUSINESS

THE WAR MUST GO ON

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 28 Mar 2022 18:52

London Playbook: Zelenskyy unleashed — Western dividing lines — Cabinet splits

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/lond ... et-splits/

John · Post by **John** » 28 Mar 2022 19:47

kit wrote:Another fake from CNN

The channel gives out a fire in Edmonton (Canada) for the bombing of Lviv. Only now, the uniform of firefighters is clearly visible on the frames, on which "Edmonton" is written.

They are wearing donated equipment from Canada

https://twitter.com/alistaircoleman/sta ... jdzVlol2Nw

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.4346267

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 28 Mar 2022 22:46

Ram Madhav in the IE. Comparing President Putin with Hitler.

Beijing wants ‘business as usual’. But Delhi is having none of it

After India abstained from the vote on Ukraine at the UNSC and the UN, both the Russians and the Chinese have tried to project it as India’s support to them. The Russian envoy at the UN, Dmitry Polyanskiy, publicly thanked India clubbing it with China, Kenya and Gabon, “who were brave to withstand US hand-twisting before the vote”. The Chinese media went overboard suggesting it as India’s change of heart.

India’s stand on Ukraine is markedly different from that of China. China justifies Russia’s aggression in Ukraine in the name of security concerns. However, India takes a different view. India is committed to international rule of law and respect for the territorial integrity and sovereignty of nations. It stood for a diplomatic resolution of disputes and opposed war. At the time of its abstention at the UN, India made its stand clear by asking for a cessation of conflict, immediate de-escalation of tensions and quiet and constructive diplomacy.

When the Nazi general Himmler battered Warsaw in Poland in 1944, turning 80 per cent of the city into rubble, Hitler shed crocodile tears, blaming the Russians, French and British for the plight of the Poles. Putin is doing the same by pounding Ukrainian cities, blaming the West and NATO. Notwithstanding several justifications from both sides, it’s a war for supremacy over Eurasia, and China sees benefit in this new Cold War.

For India, it is as much about principles as about interests.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 28 Mar 2022 23:32

Republic TV coverage today showed "Chinese artillery" operated by the Russians in Pakraine.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Mar 2022 23:48

Roman Abramovich and two more negotiators showed signs of poisoning but since then have recovered fully, it is understood it was a warning rather than a kill attempt https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... s-ukraine/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Mar 2022 00:00

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... c-7839553/ Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov may visit India this week

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Mar 2022 01:08

Good positioning by India not totally aligning with the Russian position despite the UN vote. Lavrov and Putin need to offer some iron clad guarantees to India vis a vis China and speed up specific areas of strategic cooperation to get continued Indian support.

Lavrov may present evidence of why Russia had to invade preemptively and the dirty game the neocons have been playing.
In which case India's stance on territorial integrity, rule of international law etc will still hold but the other way round

India in turn will offer suggestions on how not to let the bear get trapped in the panda's embrace and the safeguards an equally strong relationship with India will procure.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 29 Mar 2022 02:12

Cyrano wrote:Good positioning by India not totally aligning with the Russian position despite the UN vote. Lavrov and Putin need to offer some iron clad guarantees to India vis a vis China and speed up specific areas of strategic cooperation to get continued Indian support.

Lavrov may present evidence of why Russia had to invade preemptively and the dirty game the neocons have been playing.
In which case India's stance on territorial integrity, rule of international law etc will still hold but the other way round

India in turn will offer suggestions on how not to let the bear get trapped in the panda's embrace and the safeguards an equally strong relationship with India will procure.

Cyrano ji,

I have to disagree on the ‘ iron clad guarantees offered to us vis a vis China’ part

. After these sanctions Russias ability to offer us high tech weapons will be greatly diminished. They don’t have the semi fabs and will be fully dependent on Chinese Semi companies. This works for Russia but not us

. Russia is now heavily dependent on China for trade

. Other than the S 400 ,cruise missiles or nuclear subs most of the weaponry we are seeing in UKR is sub standard I am sure we can replace almost all of it with our desi pvt companies (it’s now or never)

Where we really need Russia is there veto in security council. Now if UN Security Council will be reformed to give ‘land of Buda’ its rightful veto power then its a different game. I am sure Jaishankar will be arguing along these lines and not some nostalgia abt how soviets helped us.

kit · Post by **kit** » 29 Mar 2022 02:35

Atmavik wrote:
Cyrano wrote:
Where we really need Russia is there veto in security council. Now if UN Security Council will be reformed to give ‘land of Buda’ its rightful veto power then its a different game. I am sure Jaishankar will be arguing along these lines and not some nostalgia abt how soviets helped us.

India will not get a veto power in security council as long as china is in it., period.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Mar 2022 02:35

I wasn't referring to the usual military equipment like rifles and tanks saar. Russia has to come through with the remaining S400 deliveries, ensure spares needed for our aircraft needing them, sub leases and certain tech areas which may include non conventional stuff. Secondly India has a long habit of getting equipment tailored to certain extent which will differ from similar stuff sold to others. Such details can never be compromised no matter what limitless cooperation agreements are signed with panda. And take a neutral stand in public when time comes because we unlike panda are an all weather friend.

In other spheres, India may expect Russia to park some of its gold reserves with RBI as a de-risking measure. Assure supply of very heavy metals etc etc. A comprehensive multi-faceted cooperation that secures core interests for both.

UN vote/veto is a momentary big deal only for those who care for such niceties. It's more of a signalling platform. India under Modi has surely learnt that much and will play that game as it sees fit

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Mar 2022 02:40

1 billion Indians not getting a seat at the UNSC gives us a convenient reason to snub it when such a need arises, you see... ?

A determined India can spin any situation to further it's own interests...

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 29 Mar 2022 02:49

^^^ the more the UN gets undermined the better it is for India

bala · Post by **bala** » 29 Mar 2022 05:26

WRT to UN Security council voting, we are in this situation due to Banditji Nehru (who was foisted on India by the Brits and the Brits foisted Gandhi too on India). The amount of blundering by Banditji is why India is facing issues like Cashmore, the China aggression on India's border. Tibet as an independent country would have been a nice buffer but Banditji had a hard time hearing what the Chinese said to him on Tibet.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 29 Mar 2022 06:35

Next few weeks could bring some interesting times to EU, especially with respect to oil/gas/heating and broader economy, if pootinsky is serious about March 31 deadline, Ruble quickly recovering against Dollar and euro. UKies could be the first casualty.

Who will blink first?

Vladimir Putin just upped the ante in the economic war between Russia and the West.

By announcing on Wednesday that so-called unfriendly countries — a list including EU countries and the United States — will have to pay for Russian gas imports in rubles, the Russian president is challenging Western efforts to punish Moscow for invading Ukraine while carving out crucial Russian energy imports from sanctions.

"I made the decision to implement within the shortest possible time the package of measures to transfer payments — we will start with that — for our natural gas supplied to the so-called ‘unfriendly’ states to Russian rubles," Putin said.

It's a high-stakes gamble: Either the West caves and complies with Putin’s demands, or it balks and risks seeing how far Putin will go in withholding gas supplies and potentially cutting off the cash needed by his flailing domestic economy.

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