2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 06 Apr 2022 02:22

chetak wrote:
Karan M wrote:None of them will agree. Their elites loathe India.
what's with so many guys suddenly wanting to "absorb" these countries into the dharmic fold

why leave out the pakis, beedis, and the myanmarese

best to mind our business and make sympathetic noises when these guys fall into deep holes that they have dug for themselves

if a maiden like lanka runs off with a much married buzurg like the cheeni, why should we get our knickers all twisted.

Chetak we will have a refugee crisis of great proportion to deal with when these countries fall into absymal hole.

Please let's not equate Pakistan and Bangladesh with Nepal, Bhutan and Sri Lanka. Myanmar can follow if we are successful in integrating these nations first. Even Dr. Ambedkar mentioned in his book Partition of India that Myanmar is culturally/spiritualy more close to Indic culture and dharma than these nations.

That said our priority should be our own growth: economically, militarily and returning to dharmic way of life and outlook. Whatever else that can follow will follow. We aren't and shouldn't be dependent on any of these nations or any aspiration for them to join us in near/long term future for our own growth in these dimensions of life.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 06 Apr 2022 02:26

No need. Let Nepal, Bhutan, and Sri Lanka remain notionally independent while they become economically dependent on India. We have territory at home that needs to be secured before expanding any further.

I am talking about the whole of the eastern peninsula, from TN through AP, TG, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and WB. All this is far from being secured, and hopelessly overrun with Breaking India forces (Naxals of the Red Corridor, Missionary activist groups, BD infiltrators, Rohingyas, Thoweed Jamaat Islamists, Dravidian irredentists, and mostly anti-national state governments).

This is the part of Indian territory that once provided a backdoor for the British to enter the subcontinent while the Marathas and Sikhs were focused on eliminating Muslim dominance in the North, West, and upper Gangetic Valley. This is where the Madras Presidency, Carnatic, and Northern Sircars became the first footholds to the EIC, the base from where they ultimately launched their assault on Bengal at Plassey. We tend to keep it on the back burner of our strategic thinking because it isn't immediately next to China or Pakistan, but it's been our Achilles Heel before.

Until all this is as firmly under control as the "heartland" areas of India, there shouldn't be any question of adding more territory and people into the Indian union.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2022 02:31

Sumeet wrote:
chetak wrote:
what's with so many guys suddenly wanting to "absorb" these countries into the dharmic fold

why leave out the pakis, beedis, and the myanmarese

best to mind our business and make sympathetic noises when these guys fall into deep holes that they have dug for themselves

if a maiden like lanka runs off with a much married buzurg like the cheeni, why should we get our knickers all twisted.
Chetak we will have a refugee crisis of great proportion to deal with when these countries fall into absymal hole.

Please let's not equate Pakistan and Bangladesh with Nepal, Bhutan and Sri Lanka. Myanmar can follow if we are successful in integrating these nations first. Even Dr. Ambedkar mentioned in his book Myanmar is culturally/spiritualy more close to Indic culture and dharma than these nations.

then handle the refugee crisis.

no need to buy the whole herd of cows because some foreign babies are crying

partition is done with, and so are ambedkar's out dated views.

They may have been relevant, at most, only for a few months after the partition is all.

The situation that ambedkar envisaged is not at all relevant today

let sleeping dogs lie because all these dogs have more fleas than we can handle

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 06 Apr 2022 02:35

Fair points @rudradev and @chetak.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Apr 2022 02:48

Rashmi Samant @RashmiDVS
Two months ago I graduated from being a student to a Tax paying citizen of this country and my money is going towards the study and dissemination of anti-Hindu rhetoric.
POV : Slide from a class in Aligarh Muslim University.

https://twitter.com/RashmiDVS/status/15 ... RW-o16HSdQ

Pathik · Post by **Pathik** » 06 Apr 2022 02:49

These lands should be absorbed if there is potential of BJP votes from them in future

else it will be another WB or Kerala to deal with

bala · Post by **bala** » 06 Apr 2022 03:34

A good discussion thanks for all the viewpoints. pakis, beedis are not dharmic so we leave them to stew in their own. I was viewing things mainly to keep away the devouring hyennas in our neighborhood, we have some within our own boundaries and the BIF within is a concern. There are too many in India who have the Stockholm Syndrome (sympathizing with the victimizer). Not many really understand the kind of damage the British did to Bharat and the kinds of lingering problems/issues they left behind as a parting gift. Tis rather mindboggling, so much wilful and premeditated damage was done by Britain on India, no other conqueror has such a history. Even Indians do not know the extent of damage and we continue to treat Britain as a country with which we have cordial relationships. It is repugnant to say the least.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2022 04:08

@OmarAbdullah · 9h

During Ramzan we don’t eat between sunrise & sunset.

I suppose it’s OK if we ban every non-Muslim resident or tourist from eating in public, especially in the Muslim dominated areas.

If majoritarianism is right for South Delhi, it has to be right for J&K. https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1510980133733117956…

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 06 Apr 2022 04:19

^ Hard to fault this statement seeing what it is trying to counter. Although, Hyderabad would be a better place to implement this if a mirror has be shown to Delhi.

Kanoji · Post by **Kanoji** » 06 Apr 2022 10:00

Rudradev wrote:
I am talking about the whole of the eastern peninsula, from TN through AP, TG, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and WB. All this is far from being secured, and hopelessly overrun with Breaking India forces (Naxals of the Red Corridor, Missionary activist groups, BD infiltrators, Rohingyas, Thoweed Jamaat Islamists, Dravidian irredentists, and mostly anti-national state governments).

This is the part of Indian territory .......... been our Achilles Heel before.

Until all this is as firmly under control as the "heartland" areas of India, there shouldn't be any question of adding more territory and people into the Indian union.

Well said sir. India will become a force to reckon with only if the areas mentioned above are cleansed of BIF in various forms.
Till then any talk of India becoming a superpower is silly.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 06 Apr 2022 10:41

chetak wrote: then handle the refugee crisis.
no need to buy the whole herd of cows because some foreign babies are crying
partition is done with, and so are ambedkar's out dated views.
They may have been relevant, at most, only for a few months after the partition is all.
The situation that ambedkar envisaged is not at all relevant today
let sleeping dogs lie because all these dogs have more fleas than we can handle

Let me ask you a parallel question.
What follows what?
Are desert cult ideologies & spread a consequence of loss of wealth and power?
Or wealth , power are precursors to spread of ideologies?

The expansion of territories and satraps that form buffer zones are inevitable as clout increases - law of nature. But it has to be work together with a compatible ideology and culture.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 06 Apr 2022 17:54

Neela wrote: Let me ask you a parallel question.
What follows what?
Are desert cult ideologies & spread a consequence of loss of wealth and power?
Or wealth , power are precursors to spread of ideologies?

The expansion of territories and satraps that form buffer zones are inevitable as clout increases - law of nature. But it has to be work together with a compatible ideology and culture.

Very interesting question Neelaji. I have been thinking along these lines for some time. More and more, I am coming around to the belief that it's economics which drive everything. Whether it's the rise of religion, feudal political systems, nationalism, rise of trade unionism, nuclear families, etc. Ideologies are created to focus populations and allow for more efficient economic activity.

Let ne put together my thoughts and share them. As usual swamped under a crazy workload.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Apr 2022 18:16

Ajit Datta @ajitdatta
A remarkable paper about India has come out today from the IMF. Its findings are mind-blowing. Since this is about India's success, and particularly that of the present dispensation, many are avoiding it altogether.
Here's a thread about the paper and why it's being ignored.

Ajit Datta @ajitdatta

To begin with, we have this fantastic achievement of extreme poverty being eliminated. Moreover, it is sustained in the pandemic year! How? Pradhan Mantri Garib Kalyan Anna Yojana- food grains provided to the poor through India's Public Distribution System during the pandemic.

Ajit Datta @ajitdatta
Why is this not the biggest issue being discussed today? Three reasons.

One, the usual suspects can't question the IMF's credibility.

Two, Arvind Virmani, one of the authors of the paper was CEA under economist PM Manmohan Singh. Again, who's credibility will you question?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2022 18:58

similar dynasties ,likely similar fates

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 06 Apr 2022 19:34

Anyone following the drama of ED raids on Sanjay Raut in Maharashtra? 8 properties have been sealed which propmted Powerful persons to fly to Delhi to have a 20 mins meeting with Modiji.

In the meanwhile the other Thackrey has threatened to blast Hanuma Chalisa in front of mosques if loudspeaker volumes dont go down. All in an effort to be relevant now that BMC elections are coming. If SS loses control of BMC expect lots more fireworks

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Apr 2022 19:48

It is not a drama but reality. Pawar ran to Delhi to meet NaMo in this regard.
Could be about Ghulam Malik too!

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 06 Apr 2022 20:56

Ramanaji it is reality because it happened. Drama because usually nothing comes out of these raids in terms of convictions.

Anyways, I predict someone from BJP will get picked up by state police as tit for tat, most likely Kirit Somaiyyas son. And he will get roughed up by police or Sena people. BJP will do kadi neenda and not much else. Rumour has it that state police havent done anything as they are reluctant to wade into this even though a cross departmental SIT has been formed to investigate Somaiyya.

To be fair Fadnavis has shown more spine than most.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Apr 2022 21:49

chetak wrote:similar dynasties

Actor Vikram daughter is married to MK Grandson via Muthu and Hindu group Ramesh Rangarajan daughter is married to Dayanidhi Maran

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Apr 2022 22:45

ramana wrote:It is not a drama but reality. Pawar ran to Delhi to meet NaMo in this regard.
Could be about Ghulam Malik too!

he has publicly "revealed" that he raised the r@ut issue with Modi

gotta keep the naukars happy too

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Apr 2022 11:08

Do You know that it costs a Hindu trader 7 lakhs per annum to get a halal certification in order to do business?

They are making billions as Jaziya from this.

#BoycottHalal

https://twitter.com/SaffronSunanda/stat ... q5d2Q&s=19

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 07 Apr 2022 14:18

Tanaji wrote:
Anyways, I predict someone from BJP will get picked up by state police as tit for tat, most likely Kirit Somaiyyas son. And he will get roughed up by police or Sena people. BJP will do kadi neenda and not much else. Rumour has it that state police havent done anything as they are reluctant to wade into this even though a cross departmental SIT has been formed to investigate Somaiyya.

And right on cue:

https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... t-7857467/

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 07 Apr 2022 14:35

IIT Myth:

@KanchanGupta:

Nehru did not create IITs. Dr BC Roy, CM of West Bengal, set up first IIT in Cal in 1950; it later moved to Kharagpur. IIT Kharagpur Act came in 1956. Soviet Union set up IIT Powai; US set up IIT Kanpur; Germans set up IIT Madras (all of them with trade surplus and aid).

https://twitter.com/KanchanGupta/status ... SQDlw&s=19

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 07 Apr 2022 18:44

After Rana Ayyub it is now Aakar Patel who has been allowed to travel outside the country by the Delhi HC. This is where a vigilant home ministry would have been useful to put additional charges to keep these crooks at home. Ofcourse needless to say if INC like ecosystem existed then the gods in black coats wouldn't have let these jihadi-anarchists get away in the first place.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 07 Apr 2022 19:23

Whats with IAS officers and their youtube videos on their personal channels? I seem to be getting a lot of recos these days about them. Not posting links as do not want to give them more hits.
They seem to be followed by a dedicated media/camera crew everywhere, (or atleast at photo-worthy/story worthy places), where their acts seem to be captured and viewed by millions, of presumably, impressionable youth. Its an administrative post, why do they want to build personality cults / around themselves?
We are setting wrong precedent, with people aspiring to for Sarkari naukri, instead of being entrepreneurs or goods producers or innovators or artists. I doubt it happens anywhere else in the world. The intangibles from such postings seem to have reached ungodly amounts, hence the mad scramble by a starry eyed populace.

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 07 Apr 2022 19:33

i think it partially stems from the govt, that all work should be put on social media...

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 07 Apr 2022 20:09

sajo wrote:Whats with IAS officers and their youtube videos on their personal channels? I seem to be getting a lot of recos these days about them. Not posting links as do not want to give them more hits.
They seem to be followed by a dedicated media/camera crew everywhere, (or atleast at photo-worthy/story worthy places), where their acts seem to be captured and viewed by millions, of presumably, impressionable youth. Its an administrative post, why do they want to build personality cults / around themselves?
We are setting wrong precedent, with people aspiring to for Sarkari naukri, instead of being entrepreneurs or goods producers or innovators or artists. I doubt it happens anywhere else in the world. The intangibles from such postings seem to have reached ungodly amounts, hence the mad scramble by a starry eyed populace.

Those highly cringeworthy, cheesy youtube channels get millions of views and just add to another stream of income to these already multi-crorepati IAS/IPS officers. They go around with a camera crew barging into offices, businesses displaying their abuse of "power" and trying to be real life versions of Ajay Devgan in Singham/Gangajal. There were many such videos during the pandemic where these goons with 3-letter titles went with cameras to beat up everyone from small business owners, commuters, daily wage workers and even crashed weddings to beat up groom, bride, pandits, guests. As if we did not have enough reasons already to completely dismantle these vestiges of the old British empire, these cheesy PR videos capturing the torture of aam junta is yet another reason why these services need to be completely uprooted and discarded.

sajo · Post by **sajo** » 07 Apr 2022 20:58

Ambar wrote: Those highly cringeworthy, cheesy youtube channels get millions of views and just add to another stream of income to these already multi-crorepati IAS/IPS officers. They go around with a camera crew barging into offices, businesses displaying their abuse of "power" and trying to be real life versions of Ajay Devgan in Singham/Gangajal. There were many such videos during the pandemic where these goons with 3-letter titles went with cameras to beat up everyone from small business owners, commuters, daily wage workers and even crashed weddings to beat up groom, bride, pandits, guests. As if we did not have enough reasons already to completely dismantle these vestiges of the old British empire, these cheesy PR videos capturing the torture of aam junta is yet another reason why these services need to be completely uprooted and discarded.

You are right about them being absolutely cringe. There are also similar videos of them going to frontline workers with their entourage including film crew and appreciating them etc.
Genuine question, how exactly is the performance of IAS officials evaluated ? Least amount of things escalated to the next level in the hierarchy ?
Is it based on the number of files cleared? Or Held back?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 07 Apr 2022 21:42

Majority of the videos are of these officers abusing/insulting/assaulting/harassing their subordinates and aam junta . The only performance evaluation for IAS/IPS officers is how many properties they can accumulate within the first 10 yrs of service and how many MPs and MLAs are willing to bless them, there is no accountability and the only time they get into trouble is when they cross someone more powerful than them.

Maybe its not news for those who live in India and have their ears and eyes open but in the last 15 to 20 yrs a whole new business has come up that caters only to the corrupt government officials. These businesses are usually store fronts with some boring business in the front but at the rear deal with unbilled gold jewelry, expensive swiss watches, foreign currencies, diamonds etc. hang around near these places in the evening and you'll see memsaabs and mistresses of your RTO, brake inspector, tehsildar, SP etc make a beeline. Our entire bureaucracy and law enforcement are rotten to the very core at every level.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Apr 2022 21:55

^^^^
Agree. Nicely summarized

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Apr 2022 00:30

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Apr 2022 02:22

vera_k wrote:^ Hard to fault this statement seeing what it is trying to counter. Although, Hyderabad would be a better place to implement this if a mirror has be shown to Delhi.

Omar Abdullah is claiming separate but equal status for Islam in Kashmir. Scratch a moderate Muslim find a hard core inner jihadi..

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 08 Apr 2022 04:39

ramana wrote:
vera_k wrote:^ Hard to fault this statement seeing what it is trying to counter. Although, Hyderabad would be a better place to implement this if a mirror has be shown to Delhi.
Omar Abdullah is claiming separate but equal status for Islam in Kashmir. Scratch a moderate Muslim find a hard core inner jihadi..

Ramana garu, 99.99% Moslems are slaves to their aasmani kitab. They are either open or closet jeehardis. Around 0.01% like APJ Abdul Kalam or Arif MK types can be categorised as secular and moderate. This will ultimately be their downfall of ther nasal.

Just like their kitab advocates continuous and nonstop kalah with others, Hindus have now understood this and will have to be unrelenting and on their throats to keep them on the boil. It's nothing but fight of attrition now.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 08 Apr 2022 11:09

Riteshji and Ramanaji
Slowly the hindi movies are being released from similar stanglehold.
The old gang of 'Urdu' dialogue and lyric writers were equally closet jihadirs
The release of scripts from Urdu to vernacular has changed the thinking but still a long way to go

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 08 Apr 2022 12:53

sajo wrote:Whats with IAS officers and their youtube videos on their personal channels? I seem to be getting a lot of recos these days about them.

Ambar wrote:They go around with a camera crew barging into offices, businesses displaying their abuse of "power" and trying to be real life versions of Ajay Devgan in Singham/Gangajal.

A common trend is for the IAS/IPS folks to retire from service and then come up with service stories in which they justify their actions. At least on a couple of channels I watch, the viewers with very long term memory have asked the retired officer on certain incidents in which they at that point of time took a different view or behaved in a different way. Then there is also the set of retired officers who become 'subject matter experts' and comes 24/7 on TV channels and share their gyan. Many at times these SMEs do not realise that a lot of things have changed from their 'glorious days' in office and now.

A disgusting trend I have noticed in few southern states is the official district police pages becoming a hallelujah web site glorifying the current Supdt. of Police/Commissioner of Police. Even the picture put on the Facebook page is not the state/district police insignia but a picture of the SP/COMPOL. This trend I have noticed in the last 4-6 years, and it is with the new generation of IAS/IPS-wallahs who come with the IIT/IIM baggage as well. And it is an open truth that while this glorification happens on social media the actual work is still done by Sub Inspectors of Police and below ranks (in police). And many of this publicity craving IPS officers have also conviniently changed their state cadre and moved away from lime light once they sensed their actions may have a long term impact.

RSatchi wrote:Slowly the hindi movies are being released from similar stanglehold.

In this aspect I feel the current BJP Govt is playing it right. As a government should be; they are setting up an eco system. They did not get into making movies such as Kashmir Files, but they gave a eco system for folks like Vivek Agnihotri to get his movie released. This will encourage more such movies to be made. Even in the case of hijab/halal etc; the focus was more on enabling gullible Hindus to know what is going wrong. And then Hindus themselves came with counter measures (economic boycott etc. etc.). And that has set a cat amongst the secular pigeons.

Kanoji · Post by **Kanoji** » 08 Apr 2022 14:04

Sachin wrote: In this aspect I feel the current BJP Govt is playing it right. As a government should be; they are setting up an eco system.

I hope what you say comes true. I have read comments to the effect that one of the biggest grouses against the current dispensation is that they have not invested in creating a pro-nationalist ecosystem.

But reading this link posted in the "Modi government achievements" thread https://kartikeyatanna.medium.com/what- ... fd17a81bd8 gives me hope that Modi is creating an ecosystem much larger than anything seen by Lutyens ecosystem.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 08 Apr 2022 15:22

Neela wrote:
chetak wrote:
What follows what?
Are desert cult ideologies & spread a consequence of loss of wealth and power?
Or wealth , power are precursors to spread of ideologies?

In a nutshell, Geography + climate >> metaphysics and conditions for survival >> morality and social structure >> politics and power projection >> invade/defend or dominate/seek alliances >> cultural flowering and intellectual spread or subjugation and effacement. This has been a continuously adaptive and evolutionary process since the dawn of humanity.

Vandemataram song is a great example of this. Why desert cult driven societies have no such concept or at best a "fatherland" concept is another.

When communication was difficult and expensive, wealth & power were precursors to spread of ideologies. Since the time communication has become ubiquitous and cheap, the reverse can also become true. Today its a constant bi-directional and oftentimes competing flow.

A society thats losing wealth and power will always have a hard time spreading its ideology. To reach out, convince others and/or impose itself.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Apr 2022 15:42

@ANI:

Mumbai | I-T department attached about 41 properties of Shiv Sena leader & BMC standing committee chairman Yashwant Jadhav

Some payments were made to tenants through hawala. This area is under investigation & is suspected.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/15122724 ... L1c_Q&s=19
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@ARanganathan72:

Turns out the Gorakhpur Temple attacker and IIT grad Ahmed Murtaza had been trying since 2016 to join ISIS, even went to the middle east to look for a way to enter Syria.

His father is a legal eagle, his uncle a neurosurgeon, and his grandfather a judge.

You can’t stop this.

https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/stat ... PvJ2g&s=19

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 08 Apr 2022 17:43

Ambar wrote:Our entire bureaucracy and law enforcement are rotten to the very core at every level.

I've developed a cynical view of the whole thing...I think many of us will indulge in corruption if given an opportunity and/or at desperate times but a few of us actually get the opportunity. Perhaps corruption at central level might have reduced in the last 7 years but at the state & below cadres, corruption remains rampant...I actually don't mind some corruption if quality deliverance is there...but sometimes quality deliverance ensures no repeat opportunities of corruption (eg road surface laying...a really good quality of road will easily last 10+ years which means that no repeat laying of tarmac post-monsoon or after digging, VVIP visits etc.)

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Apr 2022 20:06

Aakar patel has been stopped

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 08 Apr 2022 20:13

Thanks to the CBI court for now.