Raja wrote:China voted against. India abstained. GOI has made the strategic decision.
Choose a side .. Russia or US ? what ?..
ok ., i choose my side !.. typical Jai
Raja wrote:China voted against. India abstained. GOI has made the strategic decision.
My reading is that the Russians are looking at this as WW2 all over again, except that this time the Nazis include all of Western Europe and the capture of Ukraine was planned via means of including them in NATO. Only way I could reconcile Putin's reference to Nazis as a justification for the invasion. Unless there is a breakthrough, we're in for years of conflict in Europe.ldev wrote:So did Putin have legitimate security concerns about NATO expansion specially into Ukraine. IMO he did. And he attempted to redress those security concerns via this invasion. But it has backfired and Russia is paying the economic price and isolation as a result. Legally what Russia is doing is wrong. It is invading a country more than 30 years after that country was formed and recognized by Russia itself.
Incorrect. Russians view this as a "special military operation." Saying otherwise in Russia will get you heavily fined.vera_k wrote: My reading is that the Russians are looking at this as WW2 all over again,
Russia specifically warned all countries to vote against it. Even abstaining would be considered as hostile. China obliged.Mort Walker wrote:Mexico, Brazil, Malaysia & Indonesia abstained too.Raja wrote:China voted against. India abstained. GOI has made the strategic decision.
https://twitter.com/ByRakeshSimha/statu ... t8bUQ&s=19Ambar wrote:Sitting on a time bomb while smoking a cigarette. One can literally see the change in demographics in every town, every neighborhood, every restaurant/supermarket.
@ByRakeshSimha:
Percentage of total births in Kerala, 2018
Muslims - 43.80%
Hindus - 41.61%
Christians - 14.31%
Others - 0.25%
(Muslim form 30% of Kerala's population, yet contribute nearly 44% of the children born. The figures for 2022 could be even more alarming)
They seem to be using up all old stock !..before expiry date I supposeCyrano wrote:Major missile attack on Kramatorsk (city just north of Donetsk) railway station today, over 50 killed, including 5 children.
Ukraine is blaming Russia of course, but the rocket motor part of the missile fell to ground partly intact, some are saying its a soviet era Tochka-U used exclusively by Ukraine, loaded with cluster munitions. Apparently "for the children" was inscribed on it. But Russia might also have it, why would they not keep such a missile in their inventory?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka
This war is getting very ugly...
Russia does not have Tochka U. Ukraine does. And also Belarus. Russians replaced it with Iskander imho.Cyrano wrote:Major missile attack on Kramatorsk (city just north of Donetsk) railway station today, over 50 killed, including 5 children.
Ukraine is blaming Russia of course, but the rocket motor part of the missile fell to ground partly intact, some are saying its a soviet era Tochka-U used exclusively by Ukraine, loaded with cluster munitions. Apparently "for the children" was inscribed on it. But Russia might also have it, why would they not keep such a missile in their inventory?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka
This war is getting very ugly...
There is no way Russians are losing the eastern Ukraine or crimea. Kyiv move was to force an agreement but that failed.Y. Kanan wrote:After losing so much combat power and the humiliation of their rushed withdrawal from north Ukraine, can the Russians still take Donbas or keep their land bridge and water supply to Crimea? What's to stop the Ukrainians from simply pausing to build up manpower and western arms, and then attack at a time and place of their own choosing? The Ukrainians get stronger every day while Russians get weaker.
Ukraine's ability to continue the war depends on a lot more than NATO arms.Y. Kanan wrote:After losing so much combat power and the humiliation of their rushed withdrawal from north Ukraine, can the Russians still take Donbas or keep their land bridge and water supply to Crimea? What's to stop the Ukrainians from simply pausing to build up manpower and western arms, and then attack at a time and place of their own choosing? The Ukrainians get stronger every day while Russians get weaker.
Perhaps their experience under the Soviet Union also had a role to play in their being anti-Russian? After all in the erstwhile Soviet Union a ethnic Russian was reputed to be a first among equals?Cyrano wrote:It appears Ukrainian people have been turned so vehemently anti-Russian with all the propaganda and pro-Russian people in the East have suffered so much from Ukrainian neo-nazi assaults since over a decade culminating in the atrocities now, that no co-existence is possible in the future.
Ukraine has to be at least split into two. The remaining western Ukraine will become a true jehadi country armed and funded by NATO to become for Russia, what Pak is to India. Its existence solely motivated by the destruction of a bigger, ethno-culturally close neighbour it was once part of.
A country of 42 million blue-eyed blond people destroyed, goes to show racism is just another tool to preserve West's expansionism and hegemony.
Stalins famine was more in eastern ukraine which is pro Russia. and not in the nazi half.Cyrano wrote:Ukraine is actually 3 ethnicities. Western is polish, central is Ukranian - who always struggled to survive between great powers for centuries and eastern is Russian.
Yes, the Soviets engineered famines in this bread basket under Stalin and killed millions. Perhaps as a retribution for the collaboration of ethnic Ukranians with nazis to kill Jews and Russians. The contours of today's Ukraine drawn after the fall of USSR is an artificial construct and will never succeed. America has exploited all these fault lines and weaponised Ukranie against Russia by regime change, by installing a puppet regime powered by corrupt oligarch Kolomoisky who owns banks, media (1+1 which produced a popular program Servant of the People starring elensly) and oil&gas companies like Burisma. Victoria Nuland engineered this whole shit and with Kolomoisky they massively funded a football hooligan group Azov and raised several new battalions and integrated them into Ukr army units and police. Ukr parliament has 50% US passport holders - a former Indian ambassador to Ukraine is on record stating this.
In the past 10 yrs, néonazism has been spread terribly into the youths and children of Ukraine. They were encouraged to attack ethnic Russians in the east leading to people in Donbass revolting forming their own militias and seeking Russian support.
François Hollande brought everyone together and got minsk accords signed, but US made sure Ukraine never respected them and continued killing in Donbass to provoke Russia, promising NATO support if Russia invaded.
This whole story is so sordid, if anyone deserves total boycott and sanctions it's the US. And Ukrainian leaders deserve the lamp post, Ukranian people don't deserve a country and must be dispersed all over to prevent such stuff from reoccurring.
Ever wondered why elensly keeps comparing Ukranie's suffering with Israel? He wants to head a country massively funded and armed by others, accountable to no one like Israel and go after Russians and Russia while the whole world provides security guarantee to this snake pit. He is one sinister mfker. That's why Israel abstained and is against this regime.
Really good article by Jaques Baud:banrjeer wrote:Stalins famine was more in eastern ukraine which is pro Russia. and not in the nazi half.Cyrano wrote:Ukraine is actually 3 ethnicities. Western is polish, central is Ukranian - who always struggled to survive between great powers for centuries and eastern is Russian.
Yes, the Soviets engineered famines in this bread basket under Stalin and killed millions. Perhaps as a retribution for the collaboration of ethnic Ukranians with nazis to kill Jews and Russians. The contours of today's Ukraine drawn after the fall of USSR is an artificial construct and will never succeed. America has exploited all these fault lines and weaponised Ukranie against Russia by regime change, by installing a puppet regime powered by corrupt oligarch Kolomoisky who owns banks, media (1+1 which produced a popular program Servant of the People starring elensly) and oil&gas companies like Burisma. Victoria Nuland engineered this whole shit and with Kolomoisky they massively funded a football hooligan group Azov and raised several new battalions and integrated them into Ukr army units and police. Ukr parliament has 50% US passport holders - a former Indian ambassador to Ukraine is on record stating this.
In the past 10 yrs, néonazism has been spread terribly into the youths and children of Ukraine. They were encouraged to attack ethnic Russians in the east leading to people in Donbass revolting forming their own militias and seeking Russian support.
François Hollande brought everyone together and got minsk accords signed, but US made sure Ukraine never respected them and continued killing in Donbass to provoke Russia, promising NATO support if Russia invaded.
This whole story is so sordid, if anyone deserves total boycott and sanctions it's the US. And Ukrainian leaders deserve the lamp post, Ukranian people don't deserve a country and must be dispersed all over to prevent such stuff from reoccurring.
Ever wondered why elensly keeps comparing Ukranie's suffering with Israel? He wants to head a country massively funded and armed by others, accountable to no one like Israel and go after Russians and Russia while the whole world provides security guarantee to this snake pit. He is one sinister mfker. That's why Israel abstained and is against this regime.
That's only part of it. The US funded Binderies post WWII in anti soviet insurgency till the fall of the soviets. They have been weaponized again.banrjeer wrote:Really good article by Jaques Baud:banrjeer wrote:
Stalins famine was more in eastern ukraine which is pro Russia. and not in the nazi half.
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military- ... e-ukraine/
"Their anti-Semitism is more cultural than political, which is why the term “Nazi” is not really appropriate. Their hatred of the Jew stems from the great famines of the 1920s and 1930s in the Ukraine, resulting from Stalin’s confiscation of crops to finance the modernization of the Red Army. This genocide—known in the Ukraine as the Holodomor—was perpetrated by the NKVD (the forerunner of the KGB), whose upper echelons of leadership were mainly composed of Jews"
I note that BRF standards of posting haven't changed since I stopped posting here about 3 years ago. I'll say this much, no doubt unwelcome, and depart again.Cyrano wrote: Yes, the Soviets engineered famines in this bread basket under Stalin and killed millions. Perhaps as a retribution for the collaboration of ethnic Ukranians with nazis to kill Jews and Russians.
Great article!banrjeer wrote: ...
Really good article by Jaques Baud:
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military- ... e-ukraine/
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So the collaboration did not engineer the famine. But maybe time travel is possibleA_Gupta wrote:I note that BRF standards of posting haven't changed since I stopped posting here about 3 years ago. I'll say this much, no doubt unwelcome, and depart again.Cyrano wrote: Yes, the Soviets engineered famines in this bread basket under Stalin and killed millions. Perhaps as a retribution for the collaboration of ethnic Ukranians with nazis to kill Jews and Russians.
1932-33: Stalin's man-made famine in Ukraine
1932: In Germany, the Nazis get 37% of the vote in the July elections and 33% in the November elections.
1933: January 30th, Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany.
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1939: Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics), including the Secret Protocol defining German and Soviet spheres of influence.
Shortly thereafter Germany invades Poland, inaugurating WW2 in Europe, and the Soviets follow suit, invading Poland a couple of weeks later.
1939-41: German-Soviet Union economic relations and trade improve, including transfers of war material.
1941: June: Germany launches Operation Barbarossa.
Bye!