Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
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Does India have a double taxation avoidance treaty with UK?
If yes, then Indian should send an official enquiry to UK after the targeted campaign from the UK media. If such treaty has been declared null and void by BoJo sarkar?
Let them come back with answer. Dependent upon the answer define the next course of action.
If yes, then Indian should send an official enquiry to UK after the targeted campaign from the UK media. If such treaty has been declared null and void by BoJo sarkar?
Let them come back with answer. Dependent upon the answer define the next course of action.
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It is a waste of time, there will be no change in the tax Indian Govt collects or Ms Murthy pays, it is just to show the Brown boy his place. Appointing Rishi Sunak was to give false to hope British Indian and Indian Elite make them bring their money into UK.
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Sunak is a practising Hindu and is teetotal. Recently he was in some promotional video with Boris pulling pints for a group of people. then they poured one for themselves; I watched carefully, and noticed that having said "Cheers" he put his pint on the counter without drinking.Yagnasri wrote:Frankly, I am ok with what happened. Goras will never allow unwashed brown like this fellow to become their PM. Period. That too a Hindu ( Is he still a Hindu?) I am prejudiced against Moorthis from the day Papa Muoorthy said singing the national anthem in a function wherein our President may make his gora guests uncomfortable or some rubbish like that and still try to become President of India by some smart ass indirect campaign.
There is much speculation how Ms. Murthy's tax arraignments were leaked. He had disclosed it to the party and obviously HMRC but all this was confidential. The rumour is that Boris, perturbed by the calls for him to go in the recent "Partygate scandal" where Sunak has been put forward as a replacement, was behind it. Alternatively, it could be a left leaning Civil Servant connected with HMRC.
In the furore about Sunak's green card, the press has not mentioned that many UK politicians have dual citizenship (not always US). Boris himself was a dual UK/US citizen until recently by dint of the fact he was born in New York. It would be interesting to check the credentials of some of the Pak origin MPs. One recent MP, MP for Glasgow Govan (Labour) until the constituency was abolished, was Mohammed Sarwar who went on to become Chief minister of Punjab (Pakistan)
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Well, a former Indian ambassador to Ukraine is on record stating that at least 50% of Ukrainian members of parliament have US passports. No wonder US, UK and Ukr get along so nicely.
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All this is fair in politics. IMO it might even be aired now to get it out there and over with.
Hopefully, this leads to some more investment in India as people realize Indian tax rates currently are somewhat of a deal while not being entirely loaded in favor of investors.
Hopefully, this leads to some more investment in India as people realize Indian tax rates currently are somewhat of a deal while not being entirely loaded in favor of investors.
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The great famine (1899-1900 – more than 10.2 million dead ) introduced by Viceroy Curzon to drive desperate young Indian males to enroll in the British colonial army for free food rations. This is a secret even today. In the Guntur famine in 1832 the Brits, made people to lose hope and forced them to migrate as Indentured labor in foreign lands. Famines were a tool to either starve or recruit Indians and cart them away to foreign lands and/or fight for the British.Aldonkar wrote:This all brings to mind some of the injustices done to Indian indentured migrants to the West Indies, Fiji and even S. Africa who were paid in "chits" that were only redeemable at company stores at rates determined by their employer.
A class action suit can be filed against the Brits by West Indies, Fiji, South Africa and other Brit colonies in the world by the current Indian descendents.
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Jemima Goldsmith slams mob of 'hundreds of men' who protested outside her 88-year-old mother's Surrey home against her former husband Imran Khan - with one threatening: 'If Jemima and her children don't come down, we will enter her bedroom'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -Khan.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -Khan.html
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Britshits and their default behaviour ... I hope we never sign up for such conditions in any trade deals with them, the lazy slobs would love our labour to work for them for free.She added: “Nobody cares what happens to seasonal workers. I thought our rights would be well protected in the UK but this has not happened. Working on the farm is probably one of the worst experiences and worst treatment of my life.”
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The UK for us is in some ways similar to how Bangladesh is for us.
In the long term-- both are entities to be watched carefully and anything they say must be verified independently before trusting.
However, in the short term, the govts in each of those countries (Boris/Conservatives in UK, Hasina/Awami League in BD) are by FAR the least bad alternative for India. The opposition parties, if they ever come to power, will be much worse and much more virulently anti-India.
So policies have to be made with this in mind.
In the long term-- both are entities to be watched carefully and anything they say must be verified independently before trusting.
However, in the short term, the govts in each of those countries (Boris/Conservatives in UK, Hasina/Awami League in BD) are by FAR the least bad alternative for India. The opposition parties, if they ever come to power, will be much worse and much more virulently anti-India.
So policies have to be made with this in mind.
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UK seems to have no objections on slavery like working conditions on its farms:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uk/ukrai ... reappshare
Human rights don’t matter in such cases. No mention of investigations or prosecutions launched.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uk/ukrai ... reappshare
Human rights don’t matter in such cases. No mention of investigations or prosecutions launched.
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https://newsone.com/4321902/uk-african- ... -refugees/
UK Expelling African Migrants To War-Torn Rwanda While Welcoming Ukrainian Refugees
Indian press & TV should put out articles, interviews of refugees, debates to coincide with BoJo's visit. MPs should express concern. Dharmic scholars and activists should protest in front of UK embassy. Thats how you play in the System.
UK Expelling African Migrants To War-Torn Rwanda While Welcoming Ukrainian Refugees
Indian press & TV should put out articles, interviews of refugees, debates to coincide with BoJo's visit. MPs should express concern. Dharmic scholars and activists should protest in front of UK embassy. Thats how you play in the System.
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
To be fair, many Britons, including the Archbishop of Canterbury have condemned the Rwanda gambit. But I see where you are coming from.
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These refugees are not regular Punjabis or Bangladeshis who will accept slave like conditions. They are more educated then regular british intellectuals (window dressing,bit of Shakespeare, in depth knowledge of some useless historical figure and doing Phd in history at the age of 40).
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I've been helping a few Ukranian refugees (middle aged women and their teenage children) learn French over the past few weeks, I can see they can fit in with western Europe's culture quite quickly, they are well educated and don't tell sob stories. However I do detect a certain sense of entitlement in them, kind of "we played along with you, so it's but natural that you help us now".
Haven't had deeper conversations yet since communication is still not very easy or fluid but we are working on it. Incidentally they are from Lviv - hot bed of extreme nationalism heavily influenced by Stepan Bandera's ideas.
Haven't had deeper conversations yet since communication is still not very easy or fluid but we are working on it. Incidentally they are from Lviv - hot bed of extreme nationalism heavily influenced by Stepan Bandera's ideas.
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https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 044_1.html
48 hours before UK PM's arrival in India, no clarity on itinerary yet
The first UK prime minister to visit Gujarat, Johnson will begin his two-day visit to India with Modi's home state on April 21, ahead of "in-depth" talks with the latter in New Delhi on April 22.
Vinay Umarji, April 20, 2022
Unlike in the cases of other heads of government or state such as Japan’s Shinzo Abe, China’s Xi Jinping, or Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson will not be accompanied by his Indian counterpart, Narendra Modi, on his first visit to Gujarat.
The first UK prime minister to visit Gujarat, Johnson will begin his two-day visit to India with Modi’s home state on April 21, ahead of “in-depth” talks with the latter in New Delhi on April 22.
During their visits in 2014, 2017, and 2018, Jinping, Abe, and Netanyahu had Modi accompanying them for a roadshow during their visit to Ahmedabad, along with a trip to the Sabarmati Ashram.
Contrary to previous instances, by Tuesday the route between Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport (SVPIA) and the Sabarmati Ashram was without any banner or barricade meant to hold the crowd during roadshows.
Similarly, the Sabarmati Ashram too had a deserted look without any signage that is otherwise typical of a visit by a head of state or government, till Tuesday late afternoon.
According to sources, this is also because Johnson’s visit will follow at the end of Modi’s three-day visit to Gujarat for inaugurating projects including the World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) Global Centre for Traditional Medicine (GCTM) in Jamnagar in the presence of WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and Mauritian Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth.
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48 hours before UK PM's arrival in India, no clarity on itinerary yet
The first UK prime minister to visit Gujarat, Johnson will begin his two-day visit to India with Modi's home state on April 21, ahead of "in-depth" talks with the latter in New Delhi on April 22.
Vinay Umarji, April 20, 2022
Unlike in the cases of other heads of government or state such as Japan’s Shinzo Abe, China’s Xi Jinping, or Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson will not be accompanied by his Indian counterpart, Narendra Modi, on his first visit to Gujarat.
The first UK prime minister to visit Gujarat, Johnson will begin his two-day visit to India with Modi’s home state on April 21, ahead of “in-depth” talks with the latter in New Delhi on April 22.
During their visits in 2014, 2017, and 2018, Jinping, Abe, and Netanyahu had Modi accompanying them for a roadshow during their visit to Ahmedabad, along with a trip to the Sabarmati Ashram.
Contrary to previous instances, by Tuesday the route between Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport (SVPIA) and the Sabarmati Ashram was without any banner or barricade meant to hold the crowd during roadshows.
Similarly, the Sabarmati Ashram too had a deserted look without any signage that is otherwise typical of a visit by a head of state or government, till Tuesday late afternoon.
According to sources, this is also because Johnson’s visit will follow at the end of Modi’s three-day visit to Gujarat for inaugurating projects including the World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) Global Centre for Traditional Medicine (GCTM) in Jamnagar in the presence of WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus and Mauritian Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth.
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no chance of cancelling visit on last moment due to covid? I am sure Brits would come with some Idea (face saving).
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... endra-modi
Boris Johnson says India visit will focus on jobs and economic growth
PM also expected to discuss free trade agreement and defence with Narendra Modi this week on twice-postponed trip
Andrew Sparrow, 7 Apr 2022 13
Boris Johnson has said his long-awaited visit to India this week will focus on “the things that really matter” to the people of both countries, primarily jobs and growth.
Although Tory MPs have been talking up Johnson’s role as a leader of the international pro-Ukraine coalition, an advance government briefing about the visit did not mention the war – which has not led to India loosening its close links with Russia.
India abstained last month in the United Nations vote condemning the Russian invasion, and the two countries continue to trade with each other.
Johnson said on Sunday: “As we face threats to our peace and prosperity from autocratic states, it is vital that democracies and friends stick together.
“India, as a major economic power and the world’s largest democracy, is a highly valued strategic partner for the UK in these uncertain times.
“My visit to India will deliver on the things that really matter to the people of both our nations – from job creation and economic growth to energy security and defence.”
Johnson was originally due to visit India in January last year, but that trip was cancelled as the second wave of the coronavirus swept the UK, propelled by the Alpha variant.
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Johnson heads to India to meet Modi, escape 'partygate' flak
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is trying to set aside his political troubles and focus on economic ties and the war in Ukraine during an official trip to India
JILL LAWLESS, April 20, 2022
LONDON -- British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is trying to set aside his political troubles and focus on economic ties and the war in Ukraine during a long-delayed official trip to India.
Johnson is due to visit the western state of Gujarat and meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi on the two-day trip that starts Thursday.
He hopes to strike new economic deals between Britain and its huge former colony, and to coax India away from Russia in response to the invasion of Ukraine.
Modi has called the situation in Ukraine “very worrying” and has appealed to both sides for peace. But India has stood back from international efforts to criticize President Vladimir Putin, abstaining when the U.N. General Assembly voted this month to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council.
Modi has so far responded coolly to pressure from President Joe Biden and others to curb imports of Russian oil and gas.
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Gautam
Boris Johnson says India visit will focus on jobs and economic growth
PM also expected to discuss free trade agreement and defence with Narendra Modi this week on twice-postponed trip
Andrew Sparrow, 7 Apr 2022 13
Boris Johnson has said his long-awaited visit to India this week will focus on “the things that really matter” to the people of both countries, primarily jobs and growth.
Although Tory MPs have been talking up Johnson’s role as a leader of the international pro-Ukraine coalition, an advance government briefing about the visit did not mention the war – which has not led to India loosening its close links with Russia.
India abstained last month in the United Nations vote condemning the Russian invasion, and the two countries continue to trade with each other.
Johnson said on Sunday: “As we face threats to our peace and prosperity from autocratic states, it is vital that democracies and friends stick together.
“India, as a major economic power and the world’s largest democracy, is a highly valued strategic partner for the UK in these uncertain times.
“My visit to India will deliver on the things that really matter to the people of both our nations – from job creation and economic growth to energy security and defence.”
Johnson was originally due to visit India in January last year, but that trip was cancelled as the second wave of the coronavirus swept the UK, propelled by the Alpha variant.
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... k-84192001
Johnson heads to India to meet Modi, escape 'partygate' flak
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is trying to set aside his political troubles and focus on economic ties and the war in Ukraine during an official trip to India
JILL LAWLESS, April 20, 2022
LONDON -- British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is trying to set aside his political troubles and focus on economic ties and the war in Ukraine during a long-delayed official trip to India.
Johnson is due to visit the western state of Gujarat and meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi on the two-day trip that starts Thursday.
He hopes to strike new economic deals between Britain and its huge former colony, and to coax India away from Russia in response to the invasion of Ukraine.
Modi has called the situation in Ukraine “very worrying” and has appealed to both sides for peace. But India has stood back from international efforts to criticize President Vladimir Putin, abstaining when the U.N. General Assembly voted this month to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council.
Modi has so far responded coolly to pressure from President Joe Biden and others to curb imports of Russian oil and gas.
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Gautam
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In a manner of speaking, they are right. These people have been playing along with the US led interventions in Ukraine since 2004. Now that consequences are visiting them. They are justified in demands from the western world.Cyrano wrote:I've been helping a few Ukranian refugees (middle aged women and their teenage children) learn French over the past few weeks, I can see they can fit in with western Europe's culture quite quickly, they are well educated and don't tell sob stories. However I do detect a certain sense of entitlement in them, kind of "we played along with you, so it's but natural that you help us now".
Haven't had deeper conversations yet since communication is still not very easy or fluid but we are working on it. Incidentally they are from Lviv - hot bed of extreme nationalism heavily influenced by Stepan Bandera's ideas.
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Reminds one of the traits of a certain neighbor of ours eh
Very prescient of a BRFite to come up with the term 'Pakraine'
Very prescient of a BRFite to come up with the term 'Pakraine'
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really....
Bulldozer Boris in Gujarat
Bulldozer Boris in Gujarat
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https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-j ... it-russia/
Boris Johnson tries to lure India toward the West
Uncertainty about India’s position on the war in Ukraine will overshadow the UK prime minister’s trip.
CRISTINA GALLARDO AND GRAHAM LANKTREE, April 19, 2022
LONDON — Britain and its closest security allies want to wean India off Russian weapons. But Boris Johnson will find New Delhi's relationship with Moscow difficult to unravel.
Johnson’s two-day trip to India, which starts Thursday after being postponed twice due to the coronavirus pandemic, is expected to largely focus on politics, in particular defense, energy security and trade. No business delegation will travel with the U.K. leader and his agenda is light on engagements with Indian firms.
On Thursday, Johnson will visit Ahmedabad in Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state Gujarat, where he is expected to announce investment in key industries in Britain and India, including a new partnership covering science, health and technology.
But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has added a new dimension to the trip, which was previously aimed at enhancing the U.K.-India relationship post Brexit.
The West has a number of requests for India: not to increase its imports of Russian fossil fuels or enter new arms deals with Russian producers; not to signal strategic alignment with Moscow; and not to backfill the gap left by Western companies that have left Russia in the wake of international sanctions over the Kremlin’s decision to invade Ukraine.
Johnson stressed the geopolitics in remarks released to the media ahead of his trip: India is “a highly valued strategic partner for the U.K. in these uncertain times,” the statement said. “As we face threats to our peace and prosperity from autocratic states, it is vital that democracies and friends stick together.”
New Delhi has sought to maintain an increasingly difficult balance between the Western bloc, which Modi wants to boost trade with, and Russia, its historical defense and security ally.
India is also hugely reliant on Russian defense equipment and it fears that moving away from Moscow could push Russian President Vladimir Putin toward China — emboldening Beijing further in the Indo-Pacific and stoking more tension on the China-India border, said Harsh V. Pant, vice president for studies and foreign policy at the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi. This has seen India abstain in U.N. votes condemning Russian aggression against Ukraine.
Few expect Johnson to be able to persuade Modi to dramatically align with the West against Russia.
“It would be very difficult for the U.K. to make this case to India about reducing its dependence on Russia,” Pant said. “India has been making the case that this is not a short-term process.”
Even if India takes some baby steps toward the West, Modi will want to keep a channel of communication open with Moscow, Pant added, in order to prevent Russia and China from leaving India “marginalized” in Asia.
Johnson is keeping expectations low, according to a business person familiar with the U.K.-India talks. “I don’t think Boris Johnson would go there expecting India to start changing the way it votes in the United Nations,” they said.
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Gautam
They still hope that Gora-S'ab will work miracle and convert Modiji to their way of thinking. Hope springs eternal in the human breast.
Boris Johnson tries to lure India toward the West
Uncertainty about India’s position on the war in Ukraine will overshadow the UK prime minister’s trip.
CRISTINA GALLARDO AND GRAHAM LANKTREE, April 19, 2022
LONDON — Britain and its closest security allies want to wean India off Russian weapons. But Boris Johnson will find New Delhi's relationship with Moscow difficult to unravel.
Johnson’s two-day trip to India, which starts Thursday after being postponed twice due to the coronavirus pandemic, is expected to largely focus on politics, in particular defense, energy security and trade. No business delegation will travel with the U.K. leader and his agenda is light on engagements with Indian firms.
On Thursday, Johnson will visit Ahmedabad in Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state Gujarat, where he is expected to announce investment in key industries in Britain and India, including a new partnership covering science, health and technology.
But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has added a new dimension to the trip, which was previously aimed at enhancing the U.K.-India relationship post Brexit.
The West has a number of requests for India: not to increase its imports of Russian fossil fuels or enter new arms deals with Russian producers; not to signal strategic alignment with Moscow; and not to backfill the gap left by Western companies that have left Russia in the wake of international sanctions over the Kremlin’s decision to invade Ukraine.
Johnson stressed the geopolitics in remarks released to the media ahead of his trip: India is “a highly valued strategic partner for the U.K. in these uncertain times,” the statement said. “As we face threats to our peace and prosperity from autocratic states, it is vital that democracies and friends stick together.”
New Delhi has sought to maintain an increasingly difficult balance between the Western bloc, which Modi wants to boost trade with, and Russia, its historical defense and security ally.
India is also hugely reliant on Russian defense equipment and it fears that moving away from Moscow could push Russian President Vladimir Putin toward China — emboldening Beijing further in the Indo-Pacific and stoking more tension on the China-India border, said Harsh V. Pant, vice president for studies and foreign policy at the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi. This has seen India abstain in U.N. votes condemning Russian aggression against Ukraine.
Few expect Johnson to be able to persuade Modi to dramatically align with the West against Russia.
“It would be very difficult for the U.K. to make this case to India about reducing its dependence on Russia,” Pant said. “India has been making the case that this is not a short-term process.”
Even if India takes some baby steps toward the West, Modi will want to keep a channel of communication open with Moscow, Pant added, in order to prevent Russia and China from leaving India “marginalized” in Asia.
Johnson is keeping expectations low, according to a business person familiar with the U.K.-India talks. “I don’t think Boris Johnson would go there expecting India to start changing the way it votes in the United Nations,” they said.
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Gautam
They still hope that Gora-S'ab will work miracle and convert Modiji to their way of thinking. Hope springs eternal in the human breast.
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Johnson stressed the geopolitics in remarks released to the media ahead of his trip: India is “a highly valued strategic partner for the U.K. in these uncertain times,” the statement said. “As we face threats to our peace and prosperity from autocratic states, it is vital that democracies and friends stick together.”
Does anybody know why this did not and does not apply to India in the context of puki terrorism?
Does anybody know why this did not and does not apply to India in the context of puki terrorism?
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chetak wrote:really....
Bulldozer Boris in Gujarat
Pissfulls are having a meltdown on Twitter… begging Uk public to put pressure on BoJo to apologize not realizing this might help him
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Because 2 brown countries fighting each other are just what 2 savages do and must be ignored. When 2 white countries fight each other, it is a fight between Good and evil, and it the duty of all coolies to support them, even when the issue does not concern the coolies at all.Lisa wrote:Johnson stressed the geopolitics in remarks released to the media ahead of his trip: India is “a highly valued strategic partner for the U.K. in these uncertain times,” the statement said. “As we face threats to our peace and prosperity from autocratic states, it is vital that democracies and friends stick together.”
Does anybody know why this did not and does not apply to India in the context of puki terrorism?
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This characterisation also applies to India vs China. It is almost never placed in the context of democracy/freedom vs communism/authoritarianism, or moderation and peacefulness vs militarism and expansionism. It is merely a border dispute, and one in which India can be accused of being unreasonable. And this after India fought and lost a war with a communist country, and allowed 100,000 refugees into its borders.
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boris sounds just like pappuAtmavik wrote:chetak wrote:really....
Bulldozer Boris in Gujarat
Pissfulls are having a meltdown on Twitter… begging Uk public to put pressure on BoJo to apologize not realizing this might help him
always manages to get both his feet into his mouth at the same time
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why is bulldozer boris in India at the same time as mauritius's juganath
is he using his India visit to do something unwanted and trying to use the good offices of the GoI which has some influence in mauritius
there are some murmurs in the media
some time ago, mauritius planted its flag on one of the islands of the archipelago and asserted its rightful claim on the entire chain of islands
BTW, uk may be receiving a massive sum as rent/compensation from the US as rent for diego garcia which is part of this island chain
the uk and the us are undoubtedly in illegal occupation of this chagos islands chain
Legal Consequences of the Separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius in 1965
is he using his India visit to do something unwanted and trying to use the good offices of the GoI which has some influence in mauritius
there are some murmurs in the media
some time ago, mauritius planted its flag on one of the islands of the archipelago and asserted its rightful claim on the entire chain of islands
BTW, uk may be receiving a massive sum as rent/compensation from the US as rent for diego garcia which is part of this island chain
the uk and the us are undoubtedly in illegal occupation of this chagos islands chain
Legal Consequences of the Separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius in 1965
Legal Consequences of the Separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius in 1965
OVERVIEW OF THE CASE
On 22 June 2017 the General Assembly adopted resolution 71/292, in which, referring to Article 65 of the Statute of the Court, it requested the Court to render an advisory opinion on the following questions:
“(a) Was the process of decolonization of Mauritius lawfully completed when Mauritius was granted independence in 1968, following the separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius and having regard to international law, including obligations reflected in General Assembly resolutions 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, 2066 (XX) of 16 December 1965, 2232 (XXI) of 20 December 1966 and 2357 (XXII) of 19 December 1967?;
(b) What are the consequences under international law, including obligations reflected in the above-mentioned resolutions, arising from the continued administration by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland of the Chagos Archipelago, including with respect to the inability of Mauritius to implement a programme for the resettlement on the Chagos Archipelago of its nationals, in particular those of Chagossian origin?”
Thirty-one Member States of the United Nations and the African Union filed written statements, and ten States and the African Union filed written comments on the written statements. Ten States and the African Union subsequently presented written comments on these written statements. Twenty‑one States and the African Union participated in the oral proceedings, which took place from 3 to 6 September 2018.
In its Advisory Opinion delivered on 25 February 2019, the Court concluded that “the process of decolonization of Mauritius was not lawfully completed when that country acceded to independence” and that “the United Kingdom is under an obligation to bring to an end its administration of the Chagos Archipelago as rapidly as possible”. Before reaching this conclusion, the Court first addressed the question of whether it possessed jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion requested by the General Assembly. Having established that it did have jurisdiction to render the advisory opinion requested, the Court examined the question, raised by a number of participants, as to whether it should nevertheless decline to exercise that jurisdiction as a matter of discretion. It concluded that, in light of its jurisprudence, there were “no compelling reasons for it to decline to give the opinion requested by the General Assembly”.
After examining the factual circumstances surrounding the separation of the archipelago from Mauritius, as well as those relating to the removal of the Chagossians from this territory, the Court addressed the questions submitted to it by the General Assembly, having found that there was “no need to reformulate the questions submitted to it for an advisory opinion in [the] proceedings”.
In examining the first question, the Court turned to the nature, content and scope of the right to self-determination applicable to the process of decolonization of Mauritius. It began by recalling that, having made respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples one of the purposes of the United Nations, the Charter included provisions that would enable non-self-governing territories ultimately to govern themselves. Moreover, the Court noted that “the adoption of resolution 1514 (XV) represents a defining moment in the consolidation of State practice on decolonization” and that “oth State practice and opinio juris at the relevant time confirm the customary law character of the right to territorial integrity of a non-self-governing territory as a corollary of the right to self-determination”. The Court considered that the peoples of non-self-governing territories are entitled to exercise their right to self-determination in relation to their territory as a whole, the integrity of which must be respected by the administering Power. After having examined the functions of the General Assembly in matters of decolonization, the Court also considered, in its analysis of the international law applicable to the process of decolonization of Mauritius, the obligations reflected in General Assembly resolutions mentioned in the first question before the Court. In the Court’s view, “by inviting the United Kingdom to comply with its international obligations in conducting the process of decolonization of Mauritius, the General Assembly acted within the framework of the Charter and within the scope of the functions assigned to it to oversee the application of the right to self-determination”. After recalling the circumstances in which the colony of Mauritius agreed in principle to the detachment of the Chagos Archipelago, the Court considered that this detachment was not based on the free and genuine expression of the will of the people concerned. It took the view that the obligations arising under international law and reflected in the resolutions adopted by the General Assembly during the process of decolonization of Mauritius required the United Kingdom, as the administering Power, to respect the territorial integrity of that country, including the Chagos Archipelago. The Court concluded that, “as a result of the Chagos Archipelago’s unlawful detachment and its incorporation into a new colony, known as the [British Indian Ocean Territory] BIOT, the process of decolonization of Mauritius was not lawfully completed when Mauritius acceded to independence in 1968”.
In addressing the second question, having established that the process of decolonization of Mauritius was not lawfully completed in 1968, the Court examined the consequences, under international law, arising from the United Kingdom’s continued administration of the Chagos Archipelago. In particular, it was of the opinion that the United Kingdom’s continued administration of the Chagos Archipelago “constitutes a wrongful act entailing the international responsibility of that State”, that the United Kingdom “has an obligation to bring to an end its administration of the Chagos Archipelago as rapidly as possible, and that all Member States must co-operate with the United Nations to complete the decolonization of Mauritius”. Since respect for the right to self-determination is an obligation erga omnes, all States have a legal interest in protecting that right, the Court found. It considered that, while it is for the General Assembly to pronounce on the modalities required to ensure the completion of the decolonization of Mauritius, all Member States must co‑operate with the United Nations to put those modalities into effect. As regards the resettlement on the Chagos Archipelago of Mauritian nationals, including those of Chagossian origin, the Court was of the view that this is an issue relating to the protection of the human rights of those concerned, which should be addressed by the General Assembly during the completion of the decolonization of Mauritius.
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Does BoJo understand the significance of that photo opp? Charka symbolises Swadeshi movement - India standing up to break British colonial policy of destroying local crafts, forcing growing of cash crops for raw material to be shipped to UK for its industries to process and sell allover, including to Indians who were dying from famines caused due to forced cultivation of cash crops.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Don't be emotional. It hardly matters anything of the above. UK was wooing Chinese some time back and now India. They have business at heart to make money. These photo ops help so be it.Cyrano wrote:Does BoJo understand the significance of that photo opp? Charka symbolises Swadeshi movement - India standing up to break British colonial policy of destroying local crafts, forcing growing of cash crops for raw material to be shipped to UK for its industries to process and sell allover, including to Indians who were dying from famines caused due to forced cultivation of cash crops.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
How the mighty have fallen. The UK needs to sign an FTA with India.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Not emotional, the massive irony of BoJo delighting while spinning the Charka... Perhaps he is thinking it's Gandhi's favourite pastime, like the Brits of that era used to say solve crossword puzzles.
The joke is on him.
The joke is on him.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
In the end Bojo managed to get a press conference with Modi ji. That is a big achievement for him.
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
rsingh wrote:In the end Bojo managed to get a press conference with Modi ji. That is a big achievement for him.
its better to have leaders like Bojo who will occasionally make a fool of themselves rather than a 'zelensky or kejru'
Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
The UK PM looks like he's having a good time. Also noteworthy that the people in the pics aren't wearing masks.
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looks like bojo flew on a chinook in gujarat. he wanted to avoid Mi 17. we should have told the bugger to go in a Dhruv
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Don't underestimate the clown. Like they say in amchi mumbai "yeh to yeda bankar peda khanewala punter hai" !
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Slimey brits have this very cunning act of putting up a face suited for occasion.
Harold Wilson was a commie Labour PM when johnson was president of usa and dropping bombs plus agent Orange X on civilians of Vietnam. Wilson castigated johnson thoroughly. Then britain got in financial trouble and defaulted to IMF they needed bailout aid from usa.
Since johnson was miffed with britain due to commie wilson he refused. So what brits did was send johnson an invite by the queen of england. johnson was a rude guy who had told Prime Minister Shastri not to come to usa as he was busy with something but in case of british queen was too intimidated to bluntly decline, so he sent his counter-invitation to queen.
Now they were at an impasse. So what queen did was send her younger sister to usa and on the dinner queen's sister started talking to johnson that they are both in same situation living in shadows of assholes (johnson in kennedy's and princess Margaret in her big sister the queen elizabeth II). She said this in poetic phrases and then proceeded to kiss johnson on lips. Johnson was floored and he approved the bailout of 1 billion dollars:
While cameroon was all bonhomie but brit media was attacking India and Modi thoroughly:
What britain is demanding is that british whiskey and their Luxury cars are allowed in India duty free while foolishly we are demanding more visa for our people.
This will damage our Wine Whiskey industry. Hope our visa greedy mentality (gujaratis and we punjabis especially) doesn't get the better of us.
Johnson is another face like Princess Margaret to milk us.
Harold Wilson was a commie Labour PM when johnson was president of usa and dropping bombs plus agent Orange X on civilians of Vietnam. Wilson castigated johnson thoroughly. Then britain got in financial trouble and defaulted to IMF they needed bailout aid from usa.
Since johnson was miffed with britain due to commie wilson he refused. So what brits did was send johnson an invite by the queen of england. johnson was a rude guy who had told Prime Minister Shastri not to come to usa as he was busy with something but in case of british queen was too intimidated to bluntly decline, so he sent his counter-invitation to queen.
Now they were at an impasse. So what queen did was send her younger sister to usa and on the dinner queen's sister started talking to johnson that they are both in same situation living in shadows of assholes (johnson in kennedy's and princess Margaret in her big sister the queen elizabeth II). She said this in poetic phrases and then proceeded to kiss johnson on lips. Johnson was floored and he approved the bailout of 1 billion dollars:
While cameroon was all bonhomie but brit media was attacking India and Modi thoroughly:
What britain is demanding is that british whiskey and their Luxury cars are allowed in India duty free while foolishly we are demanding more visa for our people.
This will damage our Wine Whiskey industry. Hope our visa greedy mentality (gujaratis and we punjabis especially) doesn't get the better of us.
Johnson is another face like Princess Margaret to milk us.
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Agree, "global mobility of talent" I keep hearing often from our otherwise excellent MEA Jaishankar always sounded dissonant to me. We need to transition to "becoming a global magnet of talent" mentality in the next few years. When talented students or high skilled workers queue up in front of Indian consulates, we'd have truly arrived once again.
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There are some benefits to GMOT:Cyrano wrote:Agree, "global mobility of talent" I keep hearing often from our otherwise excellent MEA Jaishankar always sounded dissonant to me. We need to transition to "becoming a global magnet of talent" mentality in the next few years. When talented students or high skilled workers queue up in front of Indian consulates, we'd have truly arrived once again.
1) foreign exchange remittances (substantial)
2) the average Joe gets familiar with Indians, and develops a sense of their capabilities, their non aggressive demeanor, and gets familiar with their culture and perhaps some intermarriage etc.
3) Builds an economic dependency. No US company today will get anywhere without India based offshoring today. Most firms are too invested to decouple overnight