2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 06 Jun 2022 17:42

Let them pull . These camel jockeys cannot even make a bicycle on their own without importing it or importing the labor ! First they went about removing french products off the shelves (yeah, like the shiekhs wives and concubines can live without their chanel no.5, louis vuittons, Agent Provocateur etc). And now they want to ban Indian products ! These are the same countries where even after 1000+ yrs of contact with hindus they haven't allowed a single hindu temple to come up until recently.

The irony that china which literally builds toilets on mosques and harvests organs of muslims imprisoned in concentration camps and these so called citadels of islam have nothing to say but have plenty to say against India when a low-level party functionary quotes the hadith verbatim !

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 06 Jun 2022 18:01

People forget the episode where Indians were gaoled in the Gelf simply for associating themselves with the BJP here or uttering pro-Hindu words. This closeness that Modi shows he has with the Cheikhs is a facade onleee.

It's as if the Araps middle class and upper class look for an excuse to hammer us.

I also would agree that if the BJP loses in 2024, we Hindus would collectively bear the dreadful consequences.

However, does that mean that we need to wait for BJP to deliver and it always has to be TINA? Why cannot there be another party more extreme than BJP in its outlook?

If we conduct a poll here on PRF, more than 90% of nationalist lurkers (forget the Paikhanians who lurk as well) would poll that they are unhappy with the BJP.

For example removing Article 370 was great - but protecting Pandits and Hindu migrants with measures such as Hindu only fortresses/garrisons would be better. Forget about what the world thinks about us, no one did jack sh@t when Mumbaikars were massacred in 2008 apart from uttering sweet nothings. Imagine where Russia/Putin would have been if they backed down in the face of Western sanctions.

It's my country too and I too am allowed to demand more for our collective security, not tomorrow but now!

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 06 Jun 2022 18:03

Bart S wrote:
Rony wrote:https://twitter.com/vijaygajera/status/ ... TCmDrcOZRA : Zubair has started to target Nupur Sharma for quoting facts from the Quran.

These are the people and institutes who have funded heavily Zubair and their leftist cartel via IPSMF NGO.

Dear Hindus,

Can you boycott these people and institutions?
Why should it be the sole responsibility of random ordinary citizens to boycott shadowy funding networks that they don't even know about? If the GOI can't develop a spine, can't they at least do basic common-sense stuff like make it a criminal offense to doxx fellow citizens in foreign countries or appeal for/invite external intervention in Indian domestic and L&O issues?

After Bihar, WB, Kashmir, Haryana and even Gujarat your average hindu should know not to expect anything from the government. But this propaganda and repeated campaign to attack hindus in foreign countries tells us something about our diaspora as well. A month or so back Singapore blocked 'The Kashmir Files' saying it is "propaganda", it was done so at the behest of a very local muslim population while wealthy hindus who outnumber muslims 1:5 in Singapore went about doing their business. We've seen this in UK, in US, in Canada and ofcourse the middle east. The hindu diaspora is happy with the singing-dancing cultural programs in one of the many regional/linguistic/caste affiliated organizations they've created but will not do anything for the country or the community living in a false myth that it does not effect them personally until it does. Where as your average muslim immigrant may have half the household wealth of an avg. hindu family and their numbers in west maybe less than that of hindus but they'll hit the streets to make their case.

In the middle-east these anti-hindu and anti-India campaigns are driven by pakis and shantidoots of Indian origin. During the anti-CAA protests many of the handles amplifying the anti-India message in Gulf were run from Turkey and Pakistan with some local journalists who were clearly on ISPR's payroll joining in. Bottomline unless we fix things at home there's little we can do abroad. When dirt like Zubair or Rana Ayyub can get away scot-free doing so much damage, imagine taking on NGOs backed by US State Dept .

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Jun 2022 18:27

Rana Ayub is hired by CNN to throw dirt

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 06 Jun 2022 18:33

ms. Ayyub can't be touched or else they claim India doesn't have journalistic freedom.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Jun 2022 18:35

https://twitter.com/RShivshankar/status ... 9KURUVl7uw

Rahul Shivshankar @RShivshankar ·11h
India is truly secular that's why Nupur is suspended, Kashmir's Hindus are dumped, UCC is shelved, CAA is frozen, State controls temples, arbitrary 1991 PoW Act is on books and BJP cares what 'inclusive and open' Iran & Qatar think.

That's a blue tick a/c of a Times Now anchor. People are indeed speaking up.

Calling out GoI's andBJP's self-goals and blunders is necessary lest they continue as if all ij well only.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 06 Jun 2022 18:37

Heh. Good Q.

https://twitter.com/Brahamvakya/status/ ... 9KURUVl7uw

Tattvam Asi (तत्त्वम् असि!) @Brahamvakya ·16h

let me ask you a question. Imagine the pressure on ABV to remove @narendramodi ji post Godhra riots internal/external when Indian economy was smaller, poorer. Had he removed NaMo where do you think he would have been? Imagine if ABv was practical?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2022 18:40

Vayutuvan wrote:ms. Ayyub can't be touched or else they claim India doesn't have journalistic freedom.

there is a criminal case pending against her.

what's the hold up

simply bag and tag

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 18:41

The issue is inability to act by HM AS. For example, he said some unremarkable things against BD settlers during Bengal election but refused to against them or Rohnigyas ... They don't even send 10000 people back. Talking nonsense is easy. Action is tough. This why they are emboldened

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Jun 2022 19:10

Hari Seldon wrote:Heh. Good Q.

https://twitter.com/Brahamvakya/status/ ... 9KURUVl7uw

Tattvam Asi (तत्त्वम् असि!) @Brahamvakya ·16h

let me ask you a question. Imagine the pressure on ABV to remove @narendramodi ji post Godhra riots internal/external when Indian economy was smaller, poorer. Had he removed NaMo where do you think he would have been? Imagine if ABv was practical?

Oh yeah ! Thats a MONSTER question!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 19:15

Nupur will be back with a bang guys! I guarantee it ...

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 19:18

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/b ... rltracking

Meanwhile ...

No right is absolute: Bombay High Court to student jailed for post on Sharad Pawar
Bombay High Court denied relief to 22-year-old Nikhil Bhamre, who is in custody for uploading a tweet against NCP chief Sharad Pawar.

Hearing the plea, the bench of Justices SS Shinde and Milind Jadhav said, "Whatever rights one has, they are subject to restrictions. Everyone is supposed to adhere to fundamental duties. You have a right, but you cannot endanger someone else's right to a peaceful life."

Responding to this, Justice Shinde said, "Fundamental rights are always subject to some restrictions. Right within reasonable restrictions. No right is absolute."

The court said that it would issue a formal notice and give them time to reply. But when Jha protested, saying that the student should at least be given bail, at this Justice Shinde said, "In first hearing you expect everything? We will give a short date."

You can't tweet against Pawar

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 06 Jun 2022 19:21

Hari Seldon wrote:That's a blue tick a/c of a Times Now anchor. People are indeed speaking up.

They should. It is high time that every party knows that no one is guaranteed any thing for 2024 elections. Mean while, a fig leaf of an explanation is floating around twitter that Qatar etc started acting uppity after finding that Bank accounts of Popular Front of India (PFI) are getting locked up by Enforcement Directorate.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Jun 2022 19:26

vijayk wrote:Nupur will be back with a bang guys! I guarantee it ...

I will thank you when I see it, until then we need to keep the pressure on...

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 19:31

I see the hand of US thru Qatar in this whole episode after JS called USIRC report as Votebank politics

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2022 19:32

Cyrano wrote:
vijayk wrote:Nupur will be back with a bang guys! I guarantee it ...
I will thank you when I see it, until then we need to keep the pressure on...

from the net

We have 76 lakh Indians working in Gulf nations, half of them Hindus

Pendulum right-wingers are unaware of the level of threats they are getting

Look at the BIG PICTURE of SAFETY of the Indian diaspora before calling Modiji names

PROTECTING the lives of Indians across the world is a priority

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2022 19:35

vijayk wrote:I see the hand of US thru Qatar in this whole episode after JS called USIRC report as Votebank politics

again from the net

qatar, turkey ,kuwait and saudi raising their fangs against India at the behest of regime change masters in the west

This is just the beginning.

There will be more pressure on India to take sides in the ongoing Russia ukraine crisis .

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 19:37

Jairam Ramesh
@Jairam_Ramesh
Our dapper External Affairs minister got his spokesman to dismiss an US Govt report on religious minorities in India as ‘vote-bank politics in international relations’. US allies in Gulf are giving a reply.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 19:38

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2022-05-27
Post against Sharad Pawar: Support grows for Ketki Chitale as she spends Day 15 in jail
Support is growing online for young Marathi actor Ketki Chitale, who was arrested for an alleged derogatory post on NCP supremo Sharad Pawar.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 06 Jun 2022 19:38

Qatar acting uppity is nothing new and hardly a surprise. The country suffers from the same delusions of grandeur and exaggerated belief of self-importance as Turkey and Pakistan. The only difference is unlike the other 2 basket cases, Qatar is a resource wealthy nation . They have long aspired to punch above their weight and that's why even their immediate neighbors UAE, KSA, Kuwait, Bahrain etc hate them. Qatar wants to be for Sunnis what Iran is for Shias, and it thinks it is in a better position to speak for the Sunni islamic world than KSA or UAE.

India needs to diversify its purchases, maybe that's why the government is increasingly buying more oil from North and South Americas, Africa and other players in the middle east. The least our government can do is build a database of Indians living in Gulf who create problems for hindus and India there. Put them on exit control list, cancel their passports and go after their properties here. No matter how much an Indian shantidoot jumps and wags their tails in front of the shiekhs who own them, the arab shiekhs will treat them as pets and never allow them permanent residency nor citizenship, so these guys have no option but to hold on to Indian passports. Wishful thinking, i know.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 06 Jun 2022 19:43

vijayk wrote:
Jairam Ramesh
@Jairam_Ramesh
Our dapper External Affairs minister got his spokesman to dismiss an US Govt report on religious minorities in India as ‘vote-bank politics in international relations’. US allies in Gulf are giving a reply.

We look for enemies everywhere when the enemy is within. The loyalty of a brown sepoy is unshakable and unbreakable, Rudyard Kipling understood the psychic of a loyal sepoy well when he wrote Gunga Din.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Jun 2022 19:53

chetak wrote:
Cyrano wrote: I will thank you when I see it, until then we need to keep the pressure on...

from the net

We have 76 lakh Indians working in Gulf nations, half of them Hindus

Pendulum right-wingers are unaware of the level of threats they are getting

Look at the BIG PICTURE of SAFETY of the Indian diaspora before calling Modiji names

PROTECTING the lives of Indians across the world is a priority

Mera permission lekar ya sarkar ke hukum par gaye they kya? Inta phat raha hai Gulf mein, to desh waapis aajao bhai, kis ne roka hai ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2022 20:14

Cyrano wrote:
chetak wrote:
Mera permission lekar ya sarkar ke hukum par gaye they kya? Inta phat raha hai Gulf mein, to desh waapis aajao bhai, kis ne roka hai ?

no one needs your permission for ANYTHING.

Poor though they may be, they are Indians, first and foremost, and entitled to the protection of the GoI

Sometimes the protection is direct and effected by acts of commission, like when rich ungrateful effing Indian students studying in the ukraine demanded and were airlifted for free at my taxpayer cost and at other times, the protection is indirect and effected by prudent acts of commission like the GoI is doing now.

they even got their bleddy dogs airlifted.

All this because ukrainian medical degrees are recognized in the EU, making emigration so much easier. They would sit in europe and never repay the study loans taken in India.

Indians resident in India as well as in the gelf will also face the brunt of it and there will be brutal killings of Hindus because it has been deliberately built up into a religious issue. The malzi have got a resolution passed in the UNGA asking for malziphobia to be declared a crime. India, even though it tried, could not get the UN to include other religions.

The malzi narrative will find global validation because India has pissed off the goras over ukraine and all abrahamics are inherently anti Hindu.

This is a fight that has been manufactured out of thin air and India has to lump it for the moment.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 20:20

Even if there is one death and families feel insecure, it will be exaggerated by our CON media and BJP will be blamed

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 06 Jun 2022 20:41

The Arab nations are stooges of the west and have no independent foreign policy. Like many learned members have pointed out, it's just a result of the pressure poured on by the western nations and India refusing to toe the line.

ritesh · Post by **ritesh** » 06 Jun 2022 20:42

For starters, can we expect Modi to do award wapsi? Esp. Saudia barbaria one?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2022 21:15

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Jun 2022 21:19

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 06 Jun 2022 21:22

Sadly, Jairam Ramesh is right : You can't show one finger to US/Europeans while inserting the other finger up your own ass at the behest of camel joes. Even if the US/UK folks are the one who goaded the Camel Joes to put up this bark-fest, then that means it is a message to India that the west is still in control of hydrocarbon flow to India. Maybe a messaging over Ukraine? Again, (if true) a warning shot that was taken too seriously by GoI and negates the mileage that EAM Jaishankar has achieved

All that BS about Indian diaspora in Gulf, hydrocarbon supply etc does not matter. Because despite their posturing, India is valued as a giant client of these guys, who also provides its manpower backbone to run the region's economy. India can afford to be a big a-hole to them. We are second only to US (who got into same position as major client & skill supplier since Ibn Saud's time in the 1930s) in that matter.

Forget US, let us take China. China is another giant client and also supplier of cheap goods and industrial gear. They crushed Uighyurs, have textbooks that poke fun at prophet and keeps millions as prisoners for being islamic. Heck, they even circumcized minarets of mosques, for being too tall. No Camel Joe even squeaks

We are still stuck in the 1980s if we still believe Camel Joe's have leverage.

Now let us look at another angle, that is a possibility:
Dont know if folks remember back in early 2000s, when ITVity fatcats going lacrymose

over Operation Parakram and how it is going to affect India's IT sector? The going story was that if India withdraws after mining and de-mining a few areas, it will work. AB Vajpayee, for the second time in his career as PM, listened to such balderdash and canceled Op Parakram.

Net result is that Pakis, who were in a poor shape at that time, went on growing fat and more deadly from western cashflow over GOAT, culminating in Mumbai Attacks. If there were limited punitive strikes on their khaki ass across some desert sector during Parakram, a lot of Indian lives would have been saved since then.

But in retrospect, it was a GradeA fiasco that resulted in Vajpayee listening to the ITVity oligarchy than his military or strategists (earlier one was the Kandahar buckling over a TV campaign using crying relatives of victims in Delhi)

Now if we look at the current GradeA fiasco, the footprints looks the same: A certain LNG-heavy Indian oligarch must have talked to the Camel-Joes over phone and as small talk, Camel-Joe asked what is going on in Indian TV channels because he noticed some fulttering of gowns during the last jumma. The LNG Oligarch calls up PMO and says we got to do something and PMO, instead of ignoring that, took it seriously, because of the standing of the oligarch.

So now we got this GradeA fiasco, which will embolden a lot of two-bit outside powers to interfere in India's socio-religious matters.

The right approach should have been how India squished Mahathir Mohammed: we dont want your palm oil, we have other sources. But in this case something else happened and this could infringe on Indian govt's independence.

Even then, the party should have quietly asked behind scenes the two to resign and they would have obliged publicly. But instead this was made into a big show of GUBO. Anways, instead of coming up with Chankyan-explanations about Oil/Diaspora dished out by party IT cell folks, we got to keep digging to find out what was different here, because there will be severe conseqeuences for India the nation from listening to a specific business lobby and going back on such things, as Post-Parakram proved.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2022 21:29

Why all this happening now, 4 days after the Indian authorities froze all the bank accounts of izl@m!st organization PFI....

Is there any link......

Also when the truth about gy@nv@p! m0$que is out in the open

qatar is one of the biggest jehadi funders in the world with proven links to PFI

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 06 Jun 2022 21:32

While we kept looking for "chanakian moves" from MAD ( i loath that acronym!) for not implementing CAA after all the hungama, it is now beginning to make sense. In all likelihood it was to please the west+ummah that the government decided to not move forward with CAA. The least they could have done (which I along with few others here had suggested) is to expedite the processing of naturalization of hindu immigrants within existing rules, instead the government's lethargy and callousness has left these migrants hanging in no-man's land.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Jun 2022 21:50

Chetak ji,
Of course no one needs my or anyone's permission - that was rhetoric.

But if a set of expats are crying wolf in a manner that could make GoI react defensively and put the whole country at risk, we need to ask some questions.

If any expat fears for his life, they should pack up and return to desh, not expect to wait as long as they can push it and then expect GoI to rescue at tax payer's expense and risk more pilots and crew.

I have family in Gulf too, that's what I'd tell them.

What GoI did in Ukraine was exceptional, but that can't be a precedent and claimed as a right.

Great post hnair ji.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Jun 2022 21:53

Ambar wrote:While we kept looking for "chanakian moves" from MAD ( i loath that acronym!) for not implementing CAA after all the hungama, it is now beginning to make sense. In all likelihood it was to please the west+ummah that the government decided to not move forward with CAA. The least they could have done (which I along with few others here had suggested) is to expedite the processing of naturalization of hindu immigrants within existing rules, instead the government's lethargy and callousness has left these migrants hanging in no-man's land.

If what you say is true, then sovereign republic of India is effectively under Ummah's control. Don't know if the situation is that bad :-(

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Jun 2022 21:58

First Arnab and now Ketaki Chitale and a growing list.
All Ketaki did was to make a Facebook post mocking Sharad Pawar and yet has spent weeks in Jail with no end in sight.

How is someone like Sharad Pawar:

1. Move so fast to quell anyone bad mouthing him.
2. Able to get anyone arrested and keep them in jail for weeks without any repercussions
3. While Modi can't get anyone arrested or kept behind bars for even a day with a mountain of evidence?

This Zoobear guy has been spreading hate and propaganda for years now and gets no pushback. What exactly is the HM's role here?
I would really like to understand is it a lack of legal minds within BJP or lack of will or a combination of both. What is the secret sauce that Congress/NCP have that BJP doesn't?

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Jun 2022 22:08

Our leaders would do well to replay Lohpurush's conversation with the Nizam of Hyd in such times.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 22:12

What we need is ...

1. A strong legal team that monitors activities of various inimical forces collaborating with BIF and methodically move
2. Strategic team that plans continuously both on national/international level
3. Move to create same chaos in opposite camp

Until BJP makes this as some useless SM group to handle, this will continue.

On their side, they are getting more and more organized. Pappu gets trained regularly, State Dept is co-ordinating Jihadis, foreign countries, domestic/international media and internal saboteurs

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 06 Jun 2022 22:13

Hnair, thanks for reminding Kandahar and Op Parakram fiascos. The dhoti shiver (not many uses this BRF term nowadays) has started.

There seems to be a sinister connection between Blinken's browbeating, JS's sharp rapartees and now this level of gubo which takes off what the EAM achieved?

Bdesh under the begum hasina will take this opportunity to cleanse the remnant of Hindus in that country.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Jun 2022 22:14

vijayk wrote:What we need is ...

1. A strong legal team that monitors activities of various inimical forces collaborating with BIF and methodically move
2. Strategic team that plans continuously both on national/international level
3. Move to create same chaos in opposite camp

That has been repeated ad-nauseam on this forum for years now and nothing has every happened.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Jun 2022 22:26

vimal wrote:
vijayk wrote:What we need is ...

1. A strong legal team that monitors activities of various inimical forces collaborating with BIF and methodically move
2. Strategic team that plans continuously both on national/international level
3. Move to create same chaos in opposite camp
That has been repeated ad-nauseam on this forum for years now and nothing has every happened.

Unfortunately every BJP minister keeps praising Modi and he is done with. Nupur and other should have guidelines on what to say.

Look at the sepoy who interviewed JS. keeps repeating profiteering from war, on the fence, ... she has talking points and sticks to it

BIF keeps repeating jobs jobs jobs. When jobs improve, they move to something else and media obliges

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 06 Jun 2022 22:37

vimal wrote:First Arnab and now Ketaki Chitale and a growing list.
All Ketaki did was to make a Facebook post mocking Sharad Pawar and yet has spent weeks in Jail with no end in sight.

How is someone like Sharad Pawar:

1. Move so fast to quell anyone bad mouthing him.
2. Able to get anyone arrested and keep them in jail for weeks without any repercussions
3. While Modi can't get anyone arrested or kept behind bars for even a day with a mountain of evidence?

This Zoobear guy has been spreading hate and propaganda for years now and gets no pushback. What exactly is the HM's role here?
I would really like to understand is it a lack of legal minds within BJP or lack of will or a combination of both. What is the secret sauce that Congress/NCP have that BJP doesn't?

Afaik, zoo bear is based on Australia hence he is virtually immune to anything he spits out.