Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Oct 2022 20:22

they mockedposting ' Elon in orange suit with Ukr ministers tweeting 'mind your way we deliver quick justice'
in an ordinary world they will be crushed by russian army now jumping like monkeys due to Nato backing
it is very important US loses in this war. and we get to see Chinook helis airlifting them like Afghanistan

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2022 09:23

I do follow Ania, a Polish lady, who reports mostly on Polish news (she does have some really nice reports). However, posting this more for what **seems** to be happening in France. Macron Saheb seems to rather active

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bozB7GSLQ

Is anyone here in France?

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 16 Oct 2022 13:50

Musk has now backtracked on turning off StarLink for Ukraine. He said he will continue providing access even at a loss.

Looks like danda came from higher ups

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Oct 2022 19:07

Saudi Arabia promises Ukraine $400 million in aid after siding with Russia on an oil deal

Saudi Arabia will provide $400 million in humanitarian aid to Ukraine, the kingdom said Friday, as it faces fallout from its decision to side with Russia on a deal to cut oil production.

Saudi Arabia’s move on oil this month angered President Joe Biden and top U.S. lawmakers, who have called for a wholesale reevaluation of ties with Saudi Arabia. The United States has said that a rise in oil prices resulting from decreased production would increase Russia’s war chest and undermine global efforts to isolate Moscow.

The decision by Saudi Arabia, Russia, and other members of the OPEC+ energy group undercut the United States- and Europe-led attempts to choke off revenue from Moscow’s lucrative crude sales.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2022 19:27

^^^^^

Russian foreign currency reserves are already back to pre-war levels. West stole $300 billion. Russia recovered that in 6 months or so.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2022 21:23

I wonder what impact the Putin-Erdogan tag team will have on global situations. Besides the idea of Turkey becoming a hub for (Russian) gas, the idea that both countries will float a bank (that cannot be sanctioned by the West because this bank will not transact with the West) and issue credit cards, etc, etc. Looks like Turkey is slowly aligning with the non-West.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 16 Oct 2022 21:58

NRao wrote:I wonder what impact the Putin-Erdogan tag team will have on global situations. Besides the idea of Turkey becoming a hub for (Russian) gas, the idea that both countries will float a bank (that cannot be sanctioned by the West because this bank will not transact with the West) and issue credit cards, etc, etc. Looks like Turkey is slowly aligning with the non-West.

Poorly thought out brinksmanship by Yankees. Will come back biting back in the behinds at a later date .

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 17 Oct 2022 15:55

NRao wrote:^^^^^

Russian foreign currency reserves are already back to pre-war levels. West stole $300 billion. Russia recovered that in 6 months or so.

Source?

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 17 Oct 2022 18:01

Ukraine's vast untapped gas reserves lined up to supply energy to Europe

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... gy-europe/

Ukraine has the third largest natural gas reserves in Europe, according to British Petroleum (BP) and the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

“We have a number of resources and gas reserves,” Myron Wasylyk, an adviser to the chief executive of Naftogaz, told The Telegraph on Sunday, Oct. 17.

“There is exploration potential there and also export potential there,” he said. “We estimate there could be up to 40 billion cubic meters [of gas].”

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 17 Oct 2022 18:35

IIRC, most of it is in the Azov sea. No way they're laying hands on any of it !

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 17 Oct 2022 19:00

https://www.cbr.ru/eng/hd_base/mrrf/mrrf_7d/

Russian forex reserve. Western economic efforts have really done nothing substantial on Russia . The deep state has proven to be pretty incompetent here .

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Oct 2022 20:24

The Iranian drones are causing enough pain.
Iran breaching nuclear deal by providing Russia with armed drones, says UK

Britain has joined France in viewing the Iranian supply of armed drones to Russia for devastating use in Ukraine as a breach of Iran’s obligations under the 2015 nuclear deal.

The joint view comes as EU foreign affairs ministers slapped human rights sanctions on the Iranian morality police over their handling of street protests and treatment of women.

The drone strikes continued in Ukraine on Monday with three people killed, according to the mayor of Kyiv.

Despite the French-British belief that Iran is breaching the UN security council resolution that endorsed the nuclear deal by supplying the drones, there is no immediate plan to refer the issue to the UN, but diplomatic sources said the issue was live.

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 17 Oct 2022 21:01

At what point do Bhikhtoria NayaFund's masters throw in the towel or better the person... can't wait for midterms now

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 21:13

rajkumar wrote:Ukraine's vast untapped gas reserves lined up to supply energy to Europe

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... gy-europe/

these op eds are directed at gora audience ''aapne ghabnra nahi hai''

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 21:32

Austria can't house any more Ukraine migrants https://www.rt.com/news/564845-austria- ... -refugees/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 21:34

Operation steadfast noon: nuclear drill of NATO
Why is it being held in Brussels and not US which is the largest beneficiary/donor of Nato?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 867608.cms

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Oct 2022 00:20

India’s stance on the Ukraine war makes little sense

The country hasn’t just dumped its democratic principles but is providing crucial financial support for Russia’s brutal invasion.

OPINION
BY JANIS LAZDA
OCTOBER 17, 2022 4:00 AM

Janis Lazda was a policy advisor in the White House and U.S. Senate.

Ukraine’s successful counteroffensive against Russian forces continues to surprise and impress. It surprises for the military’s ability to emerge from six years of grinding war as a force that’s agile, strategic and lethal. And it has impressed with how it’s been able counter Russian President Vladimir Putin’s propaganda machine, Russia’s brutal attacks on civilians, and has rallied the United States and Western allies to arm, train and plan.

Most notably, all of this has been achieved in service of principles nearly forgotten in our divisive era — unity and patriotism over division and cynicism, democracy over despotism, national self-determination over imperialism.

But while we cautiously applaud Ukraine’s success and resistance, we can easily forget Russia’s steadfast allies — allies who stand with Moscow’s objectives and, therefore, against the principles for which Ukraine and its partners are fighting.

Who are they? The usual suspects, of course. Belarus, China, Iran, and North Korea. But oddly, also India — and looking at the principles at stake in this war, this pairing makes little sense.

India itself was a colony just 75 years ago, yet it’s now standing on the side of Putin’s “Pan-Slavic,” neo-imperialist ambitions to swallow an independent nation state. Similarly, post-colonial India chose not to join the United Kingdom and its allies following World War II, instead setting its own “non-aligned” course, beholden to no superpower. Today, however, the country is unsympathetic to Ukraine’s determination to be free of imperialism and ally with the European Union and NATO. Finally, as the country that Prime Minister Nerendra Modi proudly calls the “mother of all democracies,” India is somehow siding not with democratic Ukraine, but rather a despot who relies on sham elections and referendums, violence, and propaganda to stay in power.

And India hasn’t just dumped its principles in this conflict, it’s also providing crucial financial support for Russia’s brutal invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

Despite U.S.-led efforts to isolate Russia’s economy and hasten the war’s end, India has chosen to increase imports of Russian oil ten-fold, while increasing that of fertilizer eight-fold. Together with China, Indian purchases of Russian goods have largely negated the effect of transatlantic energy sanctions, and India further funds Russia’s war machine by purchasing big-ticket items, such as submarines, tanks, fighter aircraft and surface-to-air missile systems — a full half of the country’s arms imports come from Russia.

So, is this still the country of Gandhi?

Supporters who point to Modi’s statement that “today’s era is not an era of war” might say yes. But what that means in reality is wholly unclear to the residents of Bucha and Irpin.

Meanwhile, Modi’s promise that “India is on the side of peace and will remain firmly there” is just as empty. How can one prop up this war’s undisputed aggressor, while claiming to be on “the side of peace?”

And more importantly, desirable as it may sound, in this conflict, peace is cheap and could be easily achieved — Ukraine must only concede defeat for peace. Instead, freedom is the goal, and for that, the price is high. As long as India, China and others continue to play their current roles, that price will continue to rise for Ukraine, the U.S. and its European allies.

There’s no doubt that a new chapter of history is being written in Eastern Europe today. The Ukrainian nation, its leaders and its allies will likely be cast as valiant, maybe even victorious. But whether India can recast itself as something other than Putin’s enabler remains an open question.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 18 Oct 2022 00:37

No one in India reads or cares about Politico. Its an article aimed at gullible MSM following Indian Americans, to try and make them feel ashamed and guilty for having a PM who looks out for India's interests, not America's.

Desperation of US establishment is showing, "if you can't make Modi change his stance, let's at least try and smear him in front of his fans" - that's what they're reduced to.

bala · Post by **bala** » 18 Oct 2022 01:40

~~India’s stance on the Ukraine war makes little sense~~ US’s stance on the Ukraine war makes little sense.
JANIS LAZDA - belongs to steadily decreasing IQ level being faced in the US, tis becoming stupider and stupider as the days go by with Meaness and arrogance increasing.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2022 02:45

This gentleman was the Director of Government Affairs at Target till last month ---> https://www.linkedin.com/in/janis-lazda-2606996/

Yes indeed, that same Target store that sells chaddi, baniyan, etc among other personal and household items.

Ignore and move on.

India’s stance on the Ukraine war makes little sense

India itself was a colony just 75 years ago....

After this line, I just stopped reading. Not worth anyone's time.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 18 Oct 2022 04:49

I keep on hearing about the disastrous war and its cost to russia. Putin will be pushed out because of that etc. But I haven't really seen it as being quantified. For example, russia lost these many billions and lives, and got Crimea and donbas. Any study in that respect?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Oct 2022 05:17

US ‘furious’ over Palestinian leader’s comments to Putin – Axios
Mahmoud Abbas had said he had no confidence in Washington’s unilateral mediation of the Palestine-Israel conflict https://www.rt.com/news/564758-washingt ... ne-russia/

The White House is “deeply disappointed” in Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for having voiced mistrust about Washington’s diplomatic efforts toward resolving Palestine's stand-off with Israel while lauding Russia’s stance on the matter, a spokesperson for the National Security Council (NSC) told Axios on Saturday.

On Thursday, as Abbas praised Russia’s “clear position” about a peace settlement between Palestine and Israel, he reiterated his support for the so-called Quartet on the Middle East, a framework of mediators that includes Russia, the US, UN, and EU. However, he noted that Washington could not be the only mediator.

“We don’t trust America and you know our position… under no circumstances can we accept that America is the sole party in resolving a problem,” he told Putin on the sidelines of the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia in Astana, Kazakhstan.

He also commended Russia for “standing by justice and international law.”

According to two Axios sources, officials in the administration of US President Joe Biden were “furious” over Abbas’ remarks and conveyed this sentiment to his advisers. The NSC spokesperson told the outlet that “we were deeply disappointed to hear President Abbas’s remarks to President Putin.”

“Russia does NOT stand for justice and international law, as evidenced by the latest vote at the UN General Assembly,” the spokesperson added, referring to the recent resolution that rejected the referendums in four former Ukrainian regions that overwhelmingly voted to join Russia.

The spokesperson also denounced Putin as “a far cry from the type of international partner” that can help solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as opposed to Biden, who “has demonstrated US commitment for decades to seeking creative solutions.”

The spokesperson’s remarks come a week after US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan met with Hussein Al-Sheikh, a top Palestinian official, to discuss regional stability.

This meeting followed Biden’s July talks with Abbas during which he confirmed his commitment to the idea of creating an independent state of Palestine. However, he answered “not right at this moment” to the question of restarting peace talks between Israel and Palestine, to which Abbas replied that the chance for a two-state solution may be slipping away.

Analysts suggest that the US leader was trying to mend ties with Palestine after his predecessor Donald Trump had pursued policies favorable to Israel. Russia and Palestine, however, have had warm relations for many years, with Abbas having visited the country more than a dozen times.

bala · Post by **bala** » 18 Oct 2022 08:06

"We are ignorant, stupid, everything we touch get screwed up" - Scott Ritter.

Poland trying to take out western (P)Ukraine; Belarus knows this stealthy move and Russia knows too. They are banding together with combined army/airforce. Chernihiv is Russian speaking and Kyiv is within distance.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 18 Oct 2022 16:23

NRao wrote:India’s stance on the Ukraine war makes little sense

The country hasn’t just dumped its democratic principles but is providing crucial financial support for Russia’s brutal invasion.

It should read,

The West's stance on the Pakistani Terrorism makes little sense

The West hasn’t just dumped its democratic principles but is providing crucial financial support for Pakistan's brutal terrorism.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 19 Oct 2022 18:24

How are the Russians servicing their Boeings/Airbuses, western media made a lot of hoopla predicting that in few weeks and months they will be grounded because of sanctions and non-availability of spare parts/maintenance.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Oct 2022 20:12

House Republicans divided over aid to Ukraine ahead of midterms
McCarthy says Congress won’t ‘write a blank cheque’ while another senior Republicans says Ukrainians should ‘get what they need’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -elections

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Oct 2022 21:35

A quick word on the Janis Lazda opinion article:

* I doubt Janis wrote that. It is a hit piece from some think-tank, if not the SD
* What do you guys expect? The world is going through a change in polarity and such changes have ALWAYS been extremely violent affairs.

What we are witnessing is not even the tip of the iceberg. Fully expect dhoom dhadaka (which is why I have been saying it is very important for India to have a 6-month war reserve)

So, what do I mean by that? India can be a pole IF US-China goes to war and both have between 25-33% of their military ability destroyed (yes, 25-33%). And, India will be in an even better position if both rely on India as a trading partner after that.

IF any one of them "wins", then India is next - neither of them (among others like Turkey, or even Australia or Japan or Germany, or the entire EU) want India to be a pole and they ALL will intervene in one way or another to prevent it.

* That Janis article is a great indicator of the jostling to prevent India from becoming a pole. These are just words. Get ready for a very violent transition period. It is coming. ALL existing poles have ALWAYS used very violent means to prevent challengers. Poles are not given - they are taken. India is a challenger

* Load up

Logic and UN charters will not help. Only a danda will - print boatloads of money. No carrots

bala · Post by **bala** » 20 Oct 2022 02:32

When Gorbachev broke up USSR, several new nations emerged, the new Russian state should have insisted none of them can have independent armies. India should have insisted the same with BD, no armies. When Pland breaks up, India should insist no armies for Sindh, Baluchistan, etc. This arrangement is much better. NATO took advantage of the situation and now Russia is dealing with them on their doorsteps.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 20 Oct 2022 02:39

bala wrote:When Gorbachev broke up USSR, several new nations emerged, the new Russian state should have insisted none of them can have independent armies.

Russia would have multiple Chechnya type situation all at once and there was no way 1990 Russia would have come out successfully.

India should have insisted the same with BD, no armies.

And if BD said no would we have gone to war with them & occupy?

When Pland breaks up India should insist no armies for Sind, Baluchistan, etc.

When they too say NO, we do what then? When we are reluctant to send our forces to Srilanka, or Afghanistan, how would India impose a "NO ARMY FOR YOU" policy on any country? You need boots on the ground and unless you do that one cannot impose their will, not even on Mauritius.

bala · Post by **bala** » 20 Oct 2022 04:07

The "No ARMY" policy is what WWII victors imposed on Germany and Japan. This is not something new. India could have imposed the same at handover of BD and insisted that India would cover the needs of protection a la NATO. Actually Pland West was threatening to re-invade BD. India also missed a chance to regain the K territory from Pland as part of the surrender document ( they could have retained 5k Afsars of Pland army and released the rest during the surrender). The 5k Afsars could have been used to resolve K territory.

Russia could have insisted on similar terms before agreeing to the breakaway pieces since they have Veto power in UN. It requires a strong leader like Putin to think through this stuff.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 20 Oct 2022 05:11

bala wrote:When Gorbachev broke up USSR, several new nations emerged, the new Russian state should have insisted none of them can have independent armies. India should have insisted the same with BD, no armies. When Pland breaks up, India should insist no armies for Sindh, Baluchistan, etc. This arrangement is much better. NATO took advantage of the situation and now Russia is dealing with them on their doorsteps.

Do you seriously think that Russia was in a position to impose anything. The USSR had imploded. The powers that be in the new Russian state were more interested in the smash and grab that lead to the state of affairs today. The Russian armed forces were in state so could not have enforced anything I also believe.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 20 Oct 2022 06:46

bala wrote: It requires a strong leader like Putin to think through this stuff.

Russia always had stronger leaders. What it lacked was/is a stronger will and clarity of purpose and that's why it ended up in this position. Just by observation.

kit · Post by **kit** » 20 Oct 2022 08:01

NRao wrote:A quick word on the Janis Lazda opinion article:

* I doubt Janis wrote that. It is a hit piece from some think-tank, if not the SD
* What do you guys expect? The world is going through a change in polarity and such changes have ALWAYS been extremely violent affairs.

* That Janis article is a great indicator of the jostling to prevent India from becoming a pole. These are just words. Get ready for a very violent transition period. It is coming. ALL existing poles have ALWAYS used very violent means to prevent challengers. Poles are not given - they are taken. India is a challenger

* Load up

Absolutely. This is realpolitik of geopolitics. Hard power is rarely given but taken. Beefing up military strength AND internal security and surveillance is a must.

Russia must not fall either for the same reasons.

bala · Post by **bala** » 20 Oct 2022 08:15

Yeltsin was puffed up by the West since his dislike of the existing Soviet communist bureau matched the West. The initial giddiness clouded his judgement and he was taken advantage. Over time he realized the folly of aligning with the West and to his credit he groomed Putin to takeover leadership. Both Gorbachev and Yeltsin were not strong leaders. Russia was in a position to dictate some terms after the fall of Soviet Union since it held the Veto vote in UN. Alas the leadership did not understand the profound impact of the breakup of Soviet Union. Muddled headed leadership like the one India had at independence caused the K problem. Boundaries of nation change all the time, but strong leaders keep them intact and/or expand. The US via Nato is effectively expanding its reach over the rest of the world.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Oct 2022 19:36

Bye Bye Liz!!!

Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister
https://www.cnn.com/uk/live-news/liz-tr ... index.html

Watch UK PM Liz Truss' resignation speech
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/1 ... ay-vpx.cnn

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... kYsuqgCv4A ---> Hilarious

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Oct 2022 19:38

NRao wrote:Rumor:

Liz Truss is out and Keir Starmer is the next PM of the UK!!!

IF true, expect the UK to become even more adamant on Ukraine and move to a far more globalist position. The man - I am told - is "ruthless" in executing his plans and will demonstrate that on the world stage.

Someone mentioned, with Macron in France we can expect Europe to move to a far more authoritarian policy regime globally.

One week too early with the announcement, but you guessed it right.

kit · Post by **kit** » 20 Oct 2022 19:47

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63319010

Growth in the US has already contracted for two quarters in a row, a milestone that in many countries - though not the US - is considered a recession.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 20 Oct 2022 20:09

unfortunate no one is thanking UK for providing limitless entertainment / last thing we want is a labour govt in UK which looks imminent.
Kier starmer has every flair of Tony Blair.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Oct 2022 22:16

A lot of things are happening.

Here is the first shot:

Russian jet released missile near RAF aircraft over Black Sea

Russia said it was the result of a "technical malfunction".

Yeah, Russian stuff always malfunction at the right time.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 21 Oct 2022 00:15

Rakesh wrote: One week too early with the announcement, but you guessed it right.

Not a guess on my part. I follow The Duran and the two guys that have their own YT channels: Alex and Alexander. They both, outside of India (where I have often corrected them on YT comments section) have been rather good. On UK they have been great.

Here is another YT vid, before Liz Truss resigned this AM, where they - for the very first time - mention "India" as a potential nation that the UK (on behalf of the US I guess) could be sanctioned. The sanction pipeline: Russia and Iran (already under sanctions), followed by China, Turkey, and India

As I said, load up. It is coming

BTW, they - in this vid - cut across a lot of topics. Very good for getting a very broad picture.