https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... u-at-no-10
Rishi Sunak to become first British PM of colour and also first Hindu at No 10
Former chancellor has previously said his faith gives him strength and purpose and is part of who he is
Harriet Sherwood, 24 Oct 2022
Rishi Sunak is about to become the UK’s first prime minister of colour and the first Hindu prime minister, both milestones in Britain’s evolution as a multicultural and multi-faith society.
Although there has been a marked increase in politicians of colour being appointed to senior cabinet roles, including the key posts of chancellor, home secretary and foreign secretary, the UK has never had a black or brown prime minister before.
It was “an historic moment” that “simply would not have been possible even a decade or two ago,” said Sunder Katwala of the British Future thinktank, which focuses on identity and race.
“It shows that public service in the highest office in Britain can be open to those of all faiths and ethnic backgrounds. This will be a source of pride to many British Asians – including many who do not share Rishi Sunak’s Conservative politics.”
Sunak is a practising Hindu, although he has rarely talked publicly about his faith. He was named as the UK’s next leader on Diwali, the festival of lights celebrated by millions of Hindus, Sikhs and Jains across the world. It celebrates new beginnings and the triumph of good over evil and light over darkness.
Two years ago, when Sunak was chancellor, he lit candles to mark Diwali on the doorstep of No 11 Downing Street at a time when Covid restrictions remained in force.
“It was one of my proudest moments that I was able to do that on the steps of Downing Street. It was one of my proudest moments of the job that I had for the last two years,” he told the Times earlier this year.
His faith “gives me strength, it gives me purpose. It’s part of who I am,” he said.
After the 2017 general election, he swore his oath to parliament upon the sacred Hindu text the Bhagavad Gita.
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Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
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Some Pakjabis are claiming him to be one of their own saying his ancestors were from Gujranwala.sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistanis are happy that a south Asian is PM.
The appropriation of others’ hard work is genetically encoded.
Would be so much fun if he were to praise the multiculturalism of UK for giving him an opportunity which was denied to his ancestors who were driven out by islamists
But of course he won't do that
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... n-withdraw
New Tory leader Rishi Sunak says party facing ‘existential threat’
Incoming prime minister says Tories must ‘unite or die’ and rules out early general election
Jessica Elgot, Peter Walker and Rowena Mason, 24 Oct 2022
Rishi Sunak, the incoming prime minister, has told MPs that the Conservative party is facing an “existential threat”, in his first address to them on becoming party leader, after Penny Mordaunt failed to get 100 nominations to reach the threshold to trigger a ballot.
In his speech, given behind closed doors to MPs, Sunak said the party should “unite or die” and vowed he would return the party to the values of its 2019 manifesto, which helped win the party an 80-seat majority.
Ruling out an early general election, he said he would lead a government of serious Conservative values and make his first priority tackling the economic crisis.
Sunak will become prime minister without MPs or members having voted for him, after Mordaunt pulled out of the race in an apparent acknowledgement that she had not reached the necessary 100 MP threshold to progress.
Two minutes before the nomination process closed at 2pm, Mordaunt tweeted that she had pulled out and that Sunak had her “full support”. Sunak’s other rival, Boris Johnson, pulled out on Sunday night, despite claiming he had the support of 102 MPs.
Five minutes after Mordaunt’s withdrawal, Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee, formally announced the result. “I can confirm that we have one valid nomination, and Rishi Sunak is elected as leader of the Conservative party,” he said.
Sunak will formally take over as prime minister from Liz Truss after meeting the King at Buckingham Palace, most likely on Tuesday, at which point Truss will have served 50 days in the job. It is understood the King was travelling back to London from his Sandringham estate in Norfolk on Monday afternoon.
Sunak, the former chancellor who came second in the leadership contest against Truss in the summer, had secured the backing of more than half the parliamentary party by Monday morning.
After his victory, waiting MPs gave him a rapturous reception, with cheers and banging of desks. He told them the party faced “an existential threat”, with polls showing the weight of opposition to the Conservatives, and he said his focus would be on “policies and not personalities”.
“He said we could not pretend the last few weeks and months had been easy or edifying or helpful,” said Simon Hoare, a longtime Sunak backer. “We are going back to serious, pragmatic traditions of Conservative government. The message we heard was about going forward – as a party and a government this is about the future and shaping the future. We cannot rewrite history. We will play the hand we have got, but it is not an inevitable threat we face.”
Sunak told MPs that his ambition was to have a “highly productive UK economy”, stressing a commitment to levelling up and the pledges of the 2019 manifesto, and said he the party backed low taxation but that it had to be affordable and deliverable.
He said a stable and productive economy would be the engine that drives a well-funded health and education service and delivers on net zero, and he said it would be an “environmentally focused government.”
Sunak said there would be no early general election, though he acknowledged that opposition parties would inevitably clamour for one. He said he would ask the British people for space and time to resolve the problems the country is facing.
There was no commitment to spending cuts, but Sunak said it would be a “tough period” for the government. Stressing a need for stability, MPs said they inferred that Sunak would ask Jeremy Hunt to stay on as chancellor. “Time is not on our side, we have no time to lose,” Hoare said.
Iain Duncan Smith, a prominent backer of Johnson and Truss, said it was right that a decision had been made quickly. “There is no more messing around, it is time to end the psychodrama and get on with governing,” he said.
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New Tory leader Rishi Sunak says party facing ‘existential threat’
Incoming prime minister says Tories must ‘unite or die’ and rules out early general election
Jessica Elgot, Peter Walker and Rowena Mason, 24 Oct 2022
Rishi Sunak, the incoming prime minister, has told MPs that the Conservative party is facing an “existential threat”, in his first address to them on becoming party leader, after Penny Mordaunt failed to get 100 nominations to reach the threshold to trigger a ballot.
In his speech, given behind closed doors to MPs, Sunak said the party should “unite or die” and vowed he would return the party to the values of its 2019 manifesto, which helped win the party an 80-seat majority.
Ruling out an early general election, he said he would lead a government of serious Conservative values and make his first priority tackling the economic crisis.
Sunak will become prime minister without MPs or members having voted for him, after Mordaunt pulled out of the race in an apparent acknowledgement that she had not reached the necessary 100 MP threshold to progress.
Two minutes before the nomination process closed at 2pm, Mordaunt tweeted that she had pulled out and that Sunak had her “full support”. Sunak’s other rival, Boris Johnson, pulled out on Sunday night, despite claiming he had the support of 102 MPs.
Five minutes after Mordaunt’s withdrawal, Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee, formally announced the result. “I can confirm that we have one valid nomination, and Rishi Sunak is elected as leader of the Conservative party,” he said.
Sunak will formally take over as prime minister from Liz Truss after meeting the King at Buckingham Palace, most likely on Tuesday, at which point Truss will have served 50 days in the job. It is understood the King was travelling back to London from his Sandringham estate in Norfolk on Monday afternoon.
Sunak, the former chancellor who came second in the leadership contest against Truss in the summer, had secured the backing of more than half the parliamentary party by Monday morning.
After his victory, waiting MPs gave him a rapturous reception, with cheers and banging of desks. He told them the party faced “an existential threat”, with polls showing the weight of opposition to the Conservatives, and he said his focus would be on “policies and not personalities”.
“He said we could not pretend the last few weeks and months had been easy or edifying or helpful,” said Simon Hoare, a longtime Sunak backer. “We are going back to serious, pragmatic traditions of Conservative government. The message we heard was about going forward – as a party and a government this is about the future and shaping the future. We cannot rewrite history. We will play the hand we have got, but it is not an inevitable threat we face.”
Sunak told MPs that his ambition was to have a “highly productive UK economy”, stressing a commitment to levelling up and the pledges of the 2019 manifesto, and said he the party backed low taxation but that it had to be affordable and deliverable.
He said a stable and productive economy would be the engine that drives a well-funded health and education service and delivers on net zero, and he said it would be an “environmentally focused government.”
Sunak said there would be no early general election, though he acknowledged that opposition parties would inevitably clamour for one. He said he would ask the British people for space and time to resolve the problems the country is facing.
There was no commitment to spending cuts, but Sunak said it would be a “tough period” for the government. Stressing a need for stability, MPs said they inferred that Sunak would ask Jeremy Hunt to stay on as chancellor. “Time is not on our side, we have no time to lose,” Hoare said.
Iain Duncan Smith, a prominent backer of Johnson and Truss, said it was right that a decision had been made quickly. “There is no more messing around, it is time to end the psychodrama and get on with governing,” he said.
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Thats exactly what is of main interest to me. Its his attitude towards Ukraine war that will determine on whose side he is - British people's or unkill's, and will determine his karma. He needs to tread carefully because he is surrounded by a clique of British elites who are in bed with Boston brahmins.
I'm sure he can manage the economy part as best as possible, but he cant fix structural problems instantly. So he needs to curb his urge to speak to the press in glib tones and work mostly silently. Needs to get his wife off non-resident status and pay whatever effing taxes in the UK and lay that demon to rest. He needs to build credibility, and huge popular support from all sides before taking on the establishment and eventually stand up and face unkill.
Will be no mean feat if RS can do that.
I dont care much for his attitude towards India - I'm ok even if he is neutral. Besides visas and a aero engine tech, there is little the dead empire can offer us, no matter who is PM. And a determined India can work around even that.
But as an Indian origin person with seemingly a bit of dharmic tendency, we should wish him all the best.
I'm sure he can manage the economy part as best as possible, but he cant fix structural problems instantly. So he needs to curb his urge to speak to the press in glib tones and work mostly silently. Needs to get his wife off non-resident status and pay whatever effing taxes in the UK and lay that demon to rest. He needs to build credibility, and huge popular support from all sides before taking on the establishment and eventually stand up and face unkill.
Will be no mean feat if RS can do that.
I dont care much for his attitude towards India - I'm ok even if he is neutral. Besides visas and a aero engine tech, there is little the dead empire can offer us, no matter who is PM. And a determined India can work around even that.
But as an Indian origin person with seemingly a bit of dharmic tendency, we should wish him all the best.
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for consideration. some interesting angles. 23 minutes long
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -brexiters
It’s the beginning of the Sunak era – and the end of Britain’s Brexitist delusions
The new PM faces big challenges and will probably have diehard Brexiters in his cabinet. But as a realist, he will see the need to steer a new course
Timothy Garton Ash, 24 Oct 2022
he chaotic emergence of Rishi Sunak as Britain’s new prime minister signals the end not of Brexit but of Brexitism – the ideology of delusions about Britain’s ability to go it alone that culminated in the world-beating farce of Liz Truss’s short-lived government.
Trussonomics took the logic of Brexitism to an absurd extreme, with predictable results. Over the past eight years, under this Conservative party, Britain has descended from the pragmatic Eurosceptism of David Cameron to the medium-soft Brexit proposed by Theresa May, to the hard Brexit of Boris Johnson, and thence to the fantasy Brexit of Truss. The Brexit revolution has followed a familiar pattern, except that whereas traditionally the “revolution devouring its children” has involved radicalisation towards the left (Girondins to Jacobins in the French revolution, Mensheviks to Bolsheviks in the Russian revolution), here it has been radicalisation towards the right.
“We set out a vision for a low-tax, high-growth economy that would take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit,” Truss said in her resignation statement. This vision was a delusion: slash taxes, make a bonfire of regulations, incentivise the rich and somehow, miraculously, Britain will be back to the magnificent dynamism of the 19th century. The rest of the world should believe this because we believe it. Instead, a journey that began with the slogan “take back control” ended with the most spectacular loss of control.
Reality has caught up with the Brexitists and the British public is beginning to catch up with reality. If there were a general election tomorrow, and people voted as they currently tell the pollsters, the Tories would be virtually wiped out. Even more tellingly, the residual belief in Brexit among those who voted for it, which held up for many years, seems to have snapped. In a recent YouGov poll, only 34% of those asked said Britain was right to leave the EU, while 54% said it was wrong.
Of course, not all Britain’s economic woes are due to Brexit. Even before the 2016 vote, the country had a chronic productivity problem, excessive reliance on the financial sector and a major deficit in training and skills. But as the Covid pandemic effect fades, we can see the Brexit effect more clearly. On many indicators, such as business investment and trade recovery after Covid, the UK economy has done worse than any other in the G7. The number of small companies with cross-channel relationships has fallen by about a third. On official projections, the country will lose about 4% of its GDP as a result of Brexit. The rating agencies Moody’s and S&P have both reduced the UK’s economic outlook from stable to negative. Yes, it’s the Brexit, stupid.
Sunak is anything but a convinced European. The axis of his world is Silicon Valley-London-Mumbai not London-Paris-Berlin. In 2016, he was a strong Brexiter. But if he ever shared some of the delusions of Brexitism, he has surely lost them by now. As he demonstrated in his Conservative party leadership contest with Truss this summer, he is a realist, putting solid public finances and market credibility first – as did Margaret Thatcher. And realism demands that, in extraordinarily challenging economic circumstances, you have to lower barriers to doing business with your largest single market (the EU), not further increase them.
There will be two immediate tests. One is well known: the Northern Ireland protocol. This is not only a difficult issue in itself, the stalemate over Northern Ireland is also blocking progress on other fronts, such as Britain re-entering the Horizon programme for scientific cooperation. The second test has been less widely noticed. Under the May government, all existing EU regulations were retained in British law unless individual regulations were explicitly replaced by new national ones. Under the Truss fantasy, a bill has been introduced that will make a bonfire of all existing EU-origin regulations by the end of 2023. Departments will have to make a special case for retaining each one of more than 2,400 regulations or replacing them individually with new national rules. If Sunak is serious about concentrating on what really matters for the British economy, he will throw out this crazy bill and start again.
Economically competent and realistic Sunak himself may be, but he will be governing with a chronically divided party at his back. The ideologues of Brexitism are still there in strength. In the name of party unity he will probably have to take some of them into his cabinet. If British democracy worked like most other major western democracies, the country would now have either a general election or a “constructive vote of no confidence”, bringing other parties into power. But it doesn’t. The Tories still have a large majority in parliament. Since on current polling most Conservative MPs would lose their seats in an election, the turkeys are unlikely to vote for Christmas. Yet such is the anger and dissension inside the parliamentary party, and so serious is the economic crisis, that Britain may yet tumble into a general election before 2024.
Whenever it comes, the British electorate will almost certainly, in traditional fashion, “kick the b****** out” – “b*******” here being an entirely non-partisan term – and elect a government of the moderate centre-left. The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, is being excessively cautious on Europe, for fear of failing to win back northern English voters who switched to supporting Johnson so as to “get Brexit done”. He keeps parroting “make Brexit work” – a terrible slogan, which implies that the only thing wrong with Brexit is that it hasn’t been made to work properly. As public opinion is clearly shifting, he should start by changing it to “make Britain work”. (In spite of Brexit, that is.)
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It’s the beginning of the Sunak era – and the end of Britain’s Brexitist delusions
The new PM faces big challenges and will probably have diehard Brexiters in his cabinet. But as a realist, he will see the need to steer a new course
Timothy Garton Ash, 24 Oct 2022
he chaotic emergence of Rishi Sunak as Britain’s new prime minister signals the end not of Brexit but of Brexitism – the ideology of delusions about Britain’s ability to go it alone that culminated in the world-beating farce of Liz Truss’s short-lived government.
Trussonomics took the logic of Brexitism to an absurd extreme, with predictable results. Over the past eight years, under this Conservative party, Britain has descended from the pragmatic Eurosceptism of David Cameron to the medium-soft Brexit proposed by Theresa May, to the hard Brexit of Boris Johnson, and thence to the fantasy Brexit of Truss. The Brexit revolution has followed a familiar pattern, except that whereas traditionally the “revolution devouring its children” has involved radicalisation towards the left (Girondins to Jacobins in the French revolution, Mensheviks to Bolsheviks in the Russian revolution), here it has been radicalisation towards the right.
“We set out a vision for a low-tax, high-growth economy that would take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit,” Truss said in her resignation statement. This vision was a delusion: slash taxes, make a bonfire of regulations, incentivise the rich and somehow, miraculously, Britain will be back to the magnificent dynamism of the 19th century. The rest of the world should believe this because we believe it. Instead, a journey that began with the slogan “take back control” ended with the most spectacular loss of control.
Reality has caught up with the Brexitists and the British public is beginning to catch up with reality. If there were a general election tomorrow, and people voted as they currently tell the pollsters, the Tories would be virtually wiped out. Even more tellingly, the residual belief in Brexit among those who voted for it, which held up for many years, seems to have snapped. In a recent YouGov poll, only 34% of those asked said Britain was right to leave the EU, while 54% said it was wrong.
Of course, not all Britain’s economic woes are due to Brexit. Even before the 2016 vote, the country had a chronic productivity problem, excessive reliance on the financial sector and a major deficit in training and skills. But as the Covid pandemic effect fades, we can see the Brexit effect more clearly. On many indicators, such as business investment and trade recovery after Covid, the UK economy has done worse than any other in the G7. The number of small companies with cross-channel relationships has fallen by about a third. On official projections, the country will lose about 4% of its GDP as a result of Brexit. The rating agencies Moody’s and S&P have both reduced the UK’s economic outlook from stable to negative. Yes, it’s the Brexit, stupid.
Sunak is anything but a convinced European. The axis of his world is Silicon Valley-London-Mumbai not London-Paris-Berlin. In 2016, he was a strong Brexiter. But if he ever shared some of the delusions of Brexitism, he has surely lost them by now. As he demonstrated in his Conservative party leadership contest with Truss this summer, he is a realist, putting solid public finances and market credibility first – as did Margaret Thatcher. And realism demands that, in extraordinarily challenging economic circumstances, you have to lower barriers to doing business with your largest single market (the EU), not further increase them.
There will be two immediate tests. One is well known: the Northern Ireland protocol. This is not only a difficult issue in itself, the stalemate over Northern Ireland is also blocking progress on other fronts, such as Britain re-entering the Horizon programme for scientific cooperation. The second test has been less widely noticed. Under the May government, all existing EU regulations were retained in British law unless individual regulations were explicitly replaced by new national ones. Under the Truss fantasy, a bill has been introduced that will make a bonfire of all existing EU-origin regulations by the end of 2023. Departments will have to make a special case for retaining each one of more than 2,400 regulations or replacing them individually with new national rules. If Sunak is serious about concentrating on what really matters for the British economy, he will throw out this crazy bill and start again.
Economically competent and realistic Sunak himself may be, but he will be governing with a chronically divided party at his back. The ideologues of Brexitism are still there in strength. In the name of party unity he will probably have to take some of them into his cabinet. If British democracy worked like most other major western democracies, the country would now have either a general election or a “constructive vote of no confidence”, bringing other parties into power. But it doesn’t. The Tories still have a large majority in parliament. Since on current polling most Conservative MPs would lose their seats in an election, the turkeys are unlikely to vote for Christmas. Yet such is the anger and dissension inside the parliamentary party, and so serious is the economic crisis, that Britain may yet tumble into a general election before 2024.
Whenever it comes, the British electorate will almost certainly, in traditional fashion, “kick the b****** out” – “b*******” here being an entirely non-partisan term – and elect a government of the moderate centre-left. The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, is being excessively cautious on Europe, for fear of failing to win back northern English voters who switched to supporting Johnson so as to “get Brexit done”. He keeps parroting “make Brexit work” – a terrible slogan, which implies that the only thing wrong with Brexit is that it hasn’t been made to work properly. As public opinion is clearly shifting, he should start by changing it to “make Britain work”. (In spite of Brexit, that is.)
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I believe they were from Gujranwala India. There was no Pakistan.
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The Duran fellas who are usually somewhat knowledgeable on the topic they wax eloquent on, seem to be ignorant of Sunak's background, what business his FiL does, about India in general (I noted this in the past as well) and of course I didn't expect them to know anything about Hinduism beyond holy cows. Hope they do better homework and get an education pretty quick....NRao wrote:for consideration. some interesting angles. 23 minutes long
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Ghanghor matam in Boris's camp, Telegraph & other portals like daily mail painting doomsday picture and fall of Sunak pretty quickly. Farage asking for a coup in conservatives, this is not the Tories he built (if he actually did)
Return of UK in EU & globalist outlook of UK feared by morons
Return of UK in EU & globalist outlook of UK feared by morons
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Manish_P wrote:Some Pakjabis are claiming him to be one of their own saying his ancestors were from Gujranwala.sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistanis are happy that a south Asian is PM.
The appropriation of others’ hard work is genetically encoded.
Would be so much fun if he were to praise the multiculturalism of UK for giving him an opportunity which was denied to his ancestors who were driven out by islamists
But of course he won't do that
Pakistan constitution says that only a “sadiq” and “ameen” Muslim can become a prime minister or president. So I’m not sure what Pakistanis are celebrating about.
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Happy Diwali indeed! Now if we can just get Tulsi in the White House!Rakesh wrote:History has come full circle.
422 years after the setting up of the British East India Company in 1600 (which robbed India of her material and intellectual wealth), 165 years after the Indian Revolt of 1867 and 75 years after leaving India in 1947, England today has an Indian-origin Prime Minister of Hindu faith.
Mangal Pandey, Shaheed Bhagat Singh, Subhash Chandra Bose, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and others like them - who believed in the idea that is India - must be smiling now. Revenge is a dish best served cold. What makes this even more special is that Rishi Sunak is from the Conservative Party. That same party that had the infamous Winston Churchill as one of its members and who was responsible for the Bengal Famine.
While I don't expect Rishi Sunak to be any friend of India, the rub is truly hurting in England today. Expect sales of Burnol to rise now.
Truly an amazing start to Diwali. Happy Diwali to all!
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Deepak Halder in India Today.
Being Hindu in 10 Downing Street
Being Hindu in 10 Downing Street
Jerry said out loud what many others said under their breath. “Could you mention me becoming the prime minister of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia? No. Eighty five per cent of England are white English people and they want a prime minister who reflects that. I can’t just go to India and be the Prime Minister there, can I?” Jerry also brought in the Al Qaeda angle. Which was funny because the subject of his racist rant was a proud Hindu.
Jerry was, of course, talking about Rishi Sunak, the new prime minister of the United Kingdom, before the latter won the race to 10, Downing Street on Diwali day. But neither this racist caller on Britain's popular radio show, nor his competitors Boris Johnson or Penny Mordaunt or the many frowning, growling white voters could keep him away from the top job at this crucial juncture of British history.
No, this is not Britain’s multiculturalism on display as some commentators are telling you. Sunak became PM despite being a Hindu and not because of being one.
Will race and religious divisions improve in the UK after the rise of Sunak? Unlikely. Sunak’s attention will be on the economy. But the irony of a Hindu inside 10 Downing Street in our polarised times can not be ignored. The same 10, Downing Street whose former occupant Winston Churchill said that the Hindus were a foul race “protected by their mere pullulation from the doom that is their due”. He also thought the Hindus were windbags.
Now, Rishi Sunak, brown, bright and proudly Hindu, will occupy the same house and the same post. Deal with it!
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Grassroot Tories 'feel used' by Sunak 'coronation' and don't believe new PM has 'integrity' https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/1 ... lieve-new/
(Telegraph seems to be an echochamber of Boris camp or white supermacist camp, at the same time so confused they opposed Trump in the US tooth and nail! So woke confused & angry)
(Telegraph seems to be an echochamber of Boris camp or white supermacist camp, at the same time so confused they opposed Trump in the US tooth and nail! So woke confused & angry)
Tamara Woods, Chair of the Telford Conservative Association, told the BBC’s Today Programme that Mr Sunak’s “coronation” was forced upon members by the party.
She said: “They have made the grassroots feel used and not needed, we are the people who have to stand on the doorstep.
“We are the people who have to defend what is happening in parliament. The Conservative party is a very very big machine and they have excluded a large part of us.”
Ms Woods accused the new Prime Minister of having neither the “integrity” nor the “competence” to lead the party.
She added: “This is the man who in his resignation letter basically said ‘I didn’t agree with you Boris but I did what you wanted anyway’.
“And had a website ready, Rishi4PM, six months before his resignation. I don’t see where that gives and shows all of us that he has integrity.”
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Scottish leader Nicola Sturgeon has already theatend about Scotish independence.
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Knives are coming out:
‘Doesn’t connect with ordinary folk’: Rishi Sunak is ‘very dull’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDiH4YL ... sAustralia
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‘Doesn’t connect with ordinary folk’: Rishi Sunak is ‘very dull’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDiH4YL ... sAustralia
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Dead right. In Kenya and the rest of E. Africa, they were Wahindi, Swahili for Indians. When I left Kenya in the 1960s there was no word for Pakistan or Pakistanis in Swahili.sanjaykumar wrote:I believe they were from Gujranwala India. There was no Pakistan.
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Ah - such a secular country !
Hindu Rishi Sunak to give advice to King on Church of England due to loophole
Hindu Rishi Sunak to give advice to King on Church of England due to loophole
Mr Loch said: "Although Rishi Sunak is a Hindu, he will still be able to advise the King on ecclesiastical appointments.
"Only Jews and Roman Catholics are barred from doing so by statute.
"In theory, another minister could take over this responsibility if Sunak felt that advising His Majesty on ecclesiastical matters would violate the spirit if not the letter of the law.
"However, he couldn't completely disentangle himself from the Church of England.
"For example, he would still be an ex-officio Church Commissioner under the Church Commissioners Measure 1947."
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What I find hilarious and a bit pathetic is the Indian liberal mocking anyone celebrating Rishi Sunak’s very overt Hindu religiosity. Mostly with “Andh bhakts are happy over Rishi becoming PM, but not happy with Sonia becoming PM”
My question back is would any western nation elect Sonia with her meager political, academic and career qualification? Even her own country of origin, will she win a city council seat with her oratory or skill? Will she able to lord unchallenged for two-plus decades over a national Party of a western nation that ruled for 60 plus years but got embroiled in scams and devastating electoral reverses under her watch? For comparison, Boris Johnson got kicked out within just two years, when they found him unviable among his party folks, despite providing a stupendous electoral victory.
India would happily elect an African-Indian or an Indo-Japanese with academic qualifications and oratory like say, Obama in a jiffy, despite all accusations of “upper caste supremacists” etc. For example, sometime in future, the TN finance ministers’ inter-racial kids will also be happily accepted by any Indian political party including BJP, if they grow up to have outstanding political, academic or career qualifications. Heck, why go to all that lengths - RaGa, an inter-racial, is accepted without issues about his origin, despite his questionable political capabilities or commitment.
Sonia Gandhi is unfortunately a deeply under qualified personality due to multiple reasons unlike Rishi Sunak. Indian liberals need to get over the concussion and confusion caused by a person who is frankly, as much of an achiever on a western-scale as an Amartya Sen or Raghuram Rajan. But unlike these two, who have never pushed the envelope in west to get western accolades, Sunak is someone who is bold enough to take the fight to the enemy camp, not hide he is a Hindu and actually use being a Hindu against the west’s hubris about fig-leaf multi-culturalism.
If that ain’t a breathtaking display of old school Gandhi-jitsu right in the enemy camp, don’t known what is!
Once again, it is not going to be all shits and giggles for both India and UK, considering the dreadful past and the sordid present; we know it is going to be tough for him to be an overt “friend of India” unlike Johnson’s or Cameron’s overt claims, due to the grassroot racists in his party, but this symbolic win for a dharmic person need to be applauded all round instead of bringing up Sonia’s failed leadership experiments at this point.
(This post was for a mixed audience in WhatsApp, not jingo alone, but sharing my thoughts here)
My question back is would any western nation elect Sonia with her meager political, academic and career qualification? Even her own country of origin, will she win a city council seat with her oratory or skill? Will she able to lord unchallenged for two-plus decades over a national Party of a western nation that ruled for 60 plus years but got embroiled in scams and devastating electoral reverses under her watch? For comparison, Boris Johnson got kicked out within just two years, when they found him unviable among his party folks, despite providing a stupendous electoral victory.
India would happily elect an African-Indian or an Indo-Japanese with academic qualifications and oratory like say, Obama in a jiffy, despite all accusations of “upper caste supremacists” etc. For example, sometime in future, the TN finance ministers’ inter-racial kids will also be happily accepted by any Indian political party including BJP, if they grow up to have outstanding political, academic or career qualifications. Heck, why go to all that lengths - RaGa, an inter-racial, is accepted without issues about his origin, despite his questionable political capabilities or commitment.
Sonia Gandhi is unfortunately a deeply under qualified personality due to multiple reasons unlike Rishi Sunak. Indian liberals need to get over the concussion and confusion caused by a person who is frankly, as much of an achiever on a western-scale as an Amartya Sen or Raghuram Rajan. But unlike these two, who have never pushed the envelope in west to get western accolades, Sunak is someone who is bold enough to take the fight to the enemy camp, not hide he is a Hindu and actually use being a Hindu against the west’s hubris about fig-leaf multi-culturalism.
If that ain’t a breathtaking display of old school Gandhi-jitsu right in the enemy camp, don’t known what is!
Once again, it is not going to be all shits and giggles for both India and UK, considering the dreadful past and the sordid present; we know it is going to be tough for him to be an overt “friend of India” unlike Johnson’s or Cameron’s overt claims, due to the grassroot racists in his party, but this symbolic win for a dharmic person need to be applauded all round instead of bringing up Sonia’s failed leadership experiments at this point.
(This post was for a mixed audience in WhatsApp, not jingo alone, but sharing my thoughts here)
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New protocol at 10 Downing Street
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Ah but who decides on the “sadiq” and “ameen” Anujan ji.. and is it necessary for the selectors to be “sadiq” and “ameen” themselves.Anujan wrote: Pakistan constitution says that only a “sadiq” and “ameen” Muslim can become a prime minister or president. So I’m not sure what Pakistanis are celebrating about.
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^^^ Pindi Boys
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suarella returns as home secy barely 6 days after resigning, clearly there is anti Boris camp and Sunak is consolidating on that
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IndraD wrote:suarella returns as home secy barely 6 days after resigning, clearly there is anti Boris camp and Sunak is consolidating on that
As per this article, RS called Susu to get the right wings votes.
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expre ... ry-comment
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yes indeed she is RW darling
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I am surprised that Liz Truss become a PM at all. Her knowledge of geography relative to the Ukraine conflict was openly laughed at in the media and she was the foreign secretary (!) then (google Liz Truss geography gaffe). Her absolute lack of understanding of finance and economy came to fore famously in the last 3 weeks. One is apalled to come to the realization that she won several hundred votes (for PM-ship) from her peers who had worked with her in the past and ought to have known better.hnair wrote:What I find hilarious and a bit pathetic is the Indian liberal mocking anyone celebrating Rishi Sunak’s very overt Hindu religiosity. Mostly with “Andh bhakts are happy over Rishi becoming PM, but not happy with Sonia becoming PM”
About Sonia vs. Rishi etc etc. the story is simple. Sonia was not born in India. Rishi was born in UK and eligible to become PM. The equivalent would be whether Akshata Murthy would be eligible for UK PM-ship per the Sonia-for-PM logic.
P.S.: With Suella B. now the Home Sec and Sunak saab the PM, those in Leicestershire who rioted on the streets must be re-thinking their actions
. I am more interested in the (in) action of the authorities who did not step in to stop the mayhem. Time to institute a commission of enquiry. 
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I bet both these Indian origin politicians will do nothing even if more serious anti-hindu now take place.sriKumar wrote:With Suella B. now the Home Sec and Sunak saab the PM, those in Leicestershire who rioted on the streets must be re-thinking their actions :lol
Suella in any case hates her Indian origin status.
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As you correctly pointed out that Rishi was born in the UK and Sonia was not born in India. Sonia did not take on Indian citizenship for a long time. Indira Gandhi used to get uncomfortable questions in the Parliament as to why a foreign national is residing in her official residence. Only after Sanjay's death and Rajiv was then the heir apparent; she renounced her Italian citizenship and accepted Indian citizenship.SriKumar wrote: About Sonia vs. Rishi etc etc. the story is simple. Sonia was not born in India. Rishi was born in UK and eligible to become PM. The equivalent would be whether Akshata Murthy would be eligible for UK PM-ship per the Sonia-for-PM logic.
P.S.: With Suella B. now the Home Sec and Sunak saab the PM, those in Leicestershire who rioted on the streets must be re-thinking their actions
Many countries have laws that prohibit naturalized citizens from occupying some of the highest positions. Including the US where a naturalized citizen cannot become the President or Vice President.
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Renouncing Italian citizenship may not have any meaning at all. I am not familiar with Italian laws, but in most European countries, citizenship is based on ancestry. If you can prove ancestry, you are automatically a citizen. If you can not, you may have lived a zillion years there, you do not get it automatically.Kedar wrote:As you correctly pointed out that Rishi was born in the UK and Sonia was not born in India. Sonia did not take on Indian citizenship for a long time. Indira Gandhi used to get uncomfortable questions in the Parliament as to why a foreign national is residing in her official residence. Only after Sanjay's death and Rajiv was then the heir apparent; she renounced her Italian citizenship and accepted Indian citizenship.SriKumar wrote: About Sonia vs. Rishi etc etc. the story is simple. Sonia was not born in India. Rishi was born in UK and eligible to become PM. The equivalent would be whether Akshata Murthy would be eligible for UK PM-ship per the Sonia-for-PM logic.
P.S.: With Suella B. now the Home Sec and Sunak saab the PM, those in Leicestershire who rioted on the streets must be re-thinking their actions
Many countries have laws that prohibit naturalized citizens from occupying some of the highest positions. Including the US where a naturalized citizen cannot become the President or Vice President.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -braverman
Sunak vows to bring ‘integrity’ to No 10 but gambles by restoring Braverman
New PM pledges to fix ‘mistakes’ of predecessor but return of former home secretary alarms some MPs
Jessica Elgot, Aubrey Allegretti and Rowena Mason, 25 Oct 2022
Rishi Sunak pledged to bring “integrity and accountability” as prime minister on his first day in No 10 but gambled by restoring Suella Braverman to the Home Office less than week after she was forced to resign for a security breach.
In a reshuffle billed as returning experienced hands to the top jobs, Sunak also risked alienating backers of his leadership rival Penny Mordaunt by dashing her hopes of promotion and leaving her with no option but to stay in a minor role.
As he entered No 10 as prime minister, the fifth in six years, Sunak said his government vowed to fix the “mistakes” of his predecessor Liz Truss and warned of “difficult decisions” to come.
His first cabinet reshuffle attempted to maintain financial stability by keeping Jeremy Hunt as chancellor and bridge the divide with former Boris Johnson supporters by sticking with the foreign secretary, James Cleverly, and the defence secretary, Ben Wallace.
He installed Dominic Raab, his own key ally, who described Truss’s economics as a suicide note, as his deputy prime minister and justice secretary.
However, Sunak made several decisions that have surprised and even alarmed some MPs, as he reappointed Braverman as home secretary and declined to promote his former rival Mordaunt.
He also appointed David TC Davies as Welsh secretary despite his controversial comments on subjects including face veils, trans rights, child refugees, climate change and same-sex marriage.
Braverman, who still harbours her own leadership ambitions, was handed the job six days after she was forced to resign for a security breach for emailing confidential policy to a backbench MP, John Hayes, and trying to copy in his wife but mistakenly emailing it to another MP’s office. Officials raised alarm that Braverman may have been sharing sensitive information outside the department.
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Sunak vows to bring ‘integrity’ to No 10 but gambles by restoring Braverman
New PM pledges to fix ‘mistakes’ of predecessor but return of former home secretary alarms some MPs
Jessica Elgot, Aubrey Allegretti and Rowena Mason, 25 Oct 2022
Rishi Sunak pledged to bring “integrity and accountability” as prime minister on his first day in No 10 but gambled by restoring Suella Braverman to the Home Office less than week after she was forced to resign for a security breach.
In a reshuffle billed as returning experienced hands to the top jobs, Sunak also risked alienating backers of his leadership rival Penny Mordaunt by dashing her hopes of promotion and leaving her with no option but to stay in a minor role.
As he entered No 10 as prime minister, the fifth in six years, Sunak said his government vowed to fix the “mistakes” of his predecessor Liz Truss and warned of “difficult decisions” to come.
His first cabinet reshuffle attempted to maintain financial stability by keeping Jeremy Hunt as chancellor and bridge the divide with former Boris Johnson supporters by sticking with the foreign secretary, James Cleverly, and the defence secretary, Ben Wallace.
He installed Dominic Raab, his own key ally, who described Truss’s economics as a suicide note, as his deputy prime minister and justice secretary.
However, Sunak made several decisions that have surprised and even alarmed some MPs, as he reappointed Braverman as home secretary and declined to promote his former rival Mordaunt.
He also appointed David TC Davies as Welsh secretary despite his controversial comments on subjects including face veils, trans rights, child refugees, climate change and same-sex marriage.
Braverman, who still harbours her own leadership ambitions, was handed the job six days after she was forced to resign for a security breach for emailing confidential policy to a backbench MP, John Hayes, and trying to copy in his wife but mistakenly emailing it to another MP’s office. Officials raised alarm that Braverman may have been sharing sensitive information outside the department.
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I may be one of those post national global citizens but I must say becoming prime minister of Britain is a credit to both Rishi and the people of Britain. Jolly good show old chap, and all that.
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Sunak's undoing will come from Wallace and Cleverly. A lot is at stake in Ukraine and as long as RS let's WC deal with it as unkil pleases and himself focuses on cleaning up the mess at home, he'll be ok.
Lot of British elite will see RS and a Prime Coolie appointed for a clean up job, not rewrite GB's future and that of the world.
Lot of British elite will see RS and a Prime Coolie appointed for a clean up job, not rewrite GB's future and that of the world.
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Well said sir. Rishi Sunak was not made PM of UK because he is from a minority community. He was made PM because he has the requisite skills required to pull Britain from the rut it in now. Whether he succeeds or not - we will see in the coming months.hnair wrote:What I find hilarious and a bit pathetic is the Indian liberal mocking anyone celebrating Rishi Sunak’s very overt Hindu religiosity. Mostly with “Andh bhakts are happy over Rishi becoming PM, but not happy with Sonia becoming PM”
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There is some truth in what you say. It is also the case that the constitution and electoral rules in UK are either unwritten or not fully and clearly demarcated which has allowed for some interesting outcomes. Dadabhai Naoroji was elected as an MP 130 years ago which is in my mind as phenomenal as Rishi Sunak being PM in 2022.sanjaykumar wrote:I may be one of those post national global citizens but I must say becoming prime minister of Britain is a credit to both Rishi and the people of Britain. Jolly good show old chap, and all that.
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Rishi Sunak was born in the UK while Ms. Maino was born in Italy and did not bother to change her citizenship for decades.
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He has different set of issues beyond the above. There are certain sections which has slogan "Anybody but Rishi", and they are not going to stop. The racists are just gong to reveal themselves more. So, any misstep from him is going to be magnified 100 times.Kanoji wrote:Well said sir. Rishi Sunak was not made PM of UK because he is from a minority community. He was made PM because he has the requisite skills required to pull Britain from the rut it in now. Whether he succeeds or not - we will see in the coming months.hnair wrote:What I find hilarious and a bit pathetic is the Indian liberal mocking anyone celebrating Rishi Sunak’s very overt Hindu religiosity. Mostly with “Andh bhakts are happy over Rishi becoming PM, but not happy with Sonia becoming PM”
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Biden and Sunak vow to support Ukraine and counter China in first call
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... first-call
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... first-call
”Biden and Sunak reaffirmed the “special relationship” between the US and Britain, and said they would work together to advance global security and prosperity, the White House said in a summary of the conversation.
“The leaders agreed on the importance of working together to support Ukraine and hold Russia accountable for its aggression,” the statement said of the war triggered by the Russian invasion.
Sunak has promised the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, that Britain’s support for Ukraine will be steadfast and “as strong as ever under his premiership”, a Downing Street spokesperson has said. “The prime minister said … President Zelenskiy could count on his government to stand in continued solidarity. Both leaders agreed on the need to continue to place pressure on Putin’s barbaric regime through continued economic sanctions.
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Interesting start but shows.Sunak is likely to focus on economy leaving foreign policy unchanged. Wonder what's his stance on immigration now that cruella has gotten same post , he knows well I think a hard stance will derail Indian FTA chances.
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Additionally, one practices accommodating polytheism (no threat to host country and believes in coexistence) while the other practices totalitarian monotheism (dream of replacing the host country's religion and culture with one's own, and doesn't mind collaborating with hostile foreign agencies / church for this objective). This is what is missed by the goofballs preaching to Indians about being more accepting of Sonia Gsaip wrote:Rishi Sunak was born in the UK while Ms. Maino was born in Italy and did not bother to change her citizenship for decades.
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>>Dead right. In Kenya and the rest of E. Africa, they were Wahindi, Swahili for Indians. When I left Kenya in the 1960s there was no word for Pakistan or Pakistanis in Swahili.
You can be assured that nothing has changed, except that the word has transformed to Muhindi (for Indians) and Muzungu (for whites in general). There is no word for Pakistanis separately, and no one wants to be known as a Pakistani there - for obvious reasons. Kenya is a largely Christian country with a strong traditional culture as well (polygamy is common, even among Christians).
I lived there for 5 years post 2010 and I love East Africa as a whole, and know Tanzania and Uganda reasonably well as well having travelled to each tens of times. Wonderful people, beautiful country and the Indians there (mainly Punjabis and Gujjus, but also others) are an absolutely fantastic and unique bunch.
You can be assured that nothing has changed, except that the word has transformed to Muhindi (for Indians) and Muzungu (for whites in general). There is no word for Pakistanis separately, and no one wants to be known as a Pakistani there - for obvious reasons. Kenya is a largely Christian country with a strong traditional culture as well (polygamy is common, even among Christians).
I lived there for 5 years post 2010 and I love East Africa as a whole, and know Tanzania and Uganda reasonably well as well having travelled to each tens of times. Wonderful people, beautiful country and the Indians there (mainly Punjabis and Gujjus, but also others) are an absolutely fantastic and unique bunch.
