Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

A Deshmukh · Post by **A Deshmukh** » 29 Oct 2022 12:12

Tanaji wrote:the beginning of the end of the UN

good riddance. UN as of today is neither democratic nor effective.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Oct 2022 15:22

It is still useful as a place to vent and posture, cross paths with other diplomats and heads of state.
For many reasons, major powers on collision courses have mostly given up talking to each other and increasingly taking unilateral antagonistic actions, and expressing their positions through (social) media instead of talks between counterparts.

This is a dangerous trend that favours escalation and brinkmanship as we are seeing now.

Ineffective as it is, UN still serves as a safety valve, and UN charter, organisations and accords are still seen by many countries as some kind of credible alternative to the west's "rules based order".

For ex, see how Russia used UN as one of multiple means to safeguard Zaphoriziye NPP and to neutralize dirty bum attempts by Ukra-een, or to evacuate civilians from Azovstal and take PoWs.

If even that is gone we are in for even more chaos and conflicts.

kit · Post by **kit** » 29 Oct 2022 16:33

The west now wants the "United Nations" to be "Ununited Nations"., clearly a prescription for free for all might is right etc ..all a good recipe for Armageddon . As JS would say the "wests problems are not the worlds problem"

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 29 Oct 2022 16:58

Cyranoji, I think it may be precisely because of that these trial balloons are being floated. Russia has a safety valve through UN and has used it to provide their side of events in a world dominated by western media. In this age of total war where anything and everything is weaponised, this is just an extension of the same.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Oct 2022 19:50

Poland picks U.S. offer for its first nuclear power plant -PM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-poland ... 17362.html

Poland maintains strong anti Muslim/immigrant stance and boasts of it, how is US as world minister of inclusivity & diversity Ok with helping Poland? There are some 67 Muslim congressmen in Democratrs, not one to raise a voice?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 29 Oct 2022 20:23

UN permanent membership was not given as gift. Russia crushed the Germany, despite Churchills best effort to open west front.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Oct 2022 20:35

Z & Ukraine upset with Elon Musk buying twitter, asks Biden to take over as Chief twit https://www.arabnews.com/node/2190206/media

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Oct 2022 22:16

India has been using the UN very cleverly. No, I'm not talking Pakis asking for and getting the customary wedgie.

In parallel to recent UNGA, a whole lot of small nations held meetings with India and met Dr SJ. It seemed almost like India holding a court and dozens of nations attending. Only we did not treat it like that. Most got 1 on 1 meetings, many thanked India for Vaccine Maitri in private and also publicly at the UNGA. Most aired their concerns about rising food and fuel prices and implored India to relay their concerns to G7. We saw India emerge as a globally recognised and sought after trusted friend.

All this happening on US soil under Unkil's nose is the most telling sign that multipolar realignment is real and the world at large is distrustful and fed up with G7 + Chinese dominance.

And irrespective of how they vote on UN resolutions, the non west is not buying the west's story on Ukraine war.

All this is India earning good karma. Jai Ho!

kit · Post by **kit** » 30 Oct 2022 00:40

https://nltimes.nl/2022/10/24/netherlan ... ons-russia

The Dutch government has issued 91 waivers from sanctions against Russia since the country invaded Ukraine late in February, RTL Nieuws reports after talking to the Ministries. The ministries shielded the names of the companies involved, the value of transactions which were exempted, and the business sectors concerned, RTL Nieuws reported.

The information was “company-sensitive,” according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Ministries of Foreign Affairs, Economic Affairs, Finance, Infrastructure, and Education are allowed to grant exemptions to sanctions to “allow a degree of flexibility in specific cases,” the spokesperson affirmed.

In April, the European Union banned ships sailing under the Russian flag from European ports. The Ministry of Infrastructure and Water Management issued waivers so 34 ships could access Dutch ports, for example, because they carried important cargo like aluminum and food.

“Diplomatic relations” was stated as the reason why the Ministry of Foreign Affairs granted one exemption, the broadcaster reported. In the isolated case, transactions which involved Russian banks majority held by the State were permitted to occur.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Oct 2022 01:38

"Russia pulls out of the grain deal"

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Oct 2022 04:43

Ukrainians could ‘freeze to death’ this winter – Kiev mayor https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 88045.html

The attacks on the energy grid are being seen as a bid by Moscow to break the Ukrainian resolve heading into winter as almost 40% of the nation’s energy infrastructure has been damaged by missile and drone attacks, Ukraine's president Zelensky said.

“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them. But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us," Vitali Klitschko said.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Oct 2022 04:58

Russia halts Ukraine Black Sea grain exports, Biden outraged
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 022-10-29/

Russia's defence ministry said Ukraine attacked the Black Sea Fleet near Sevastopol on the annexed Crimean peninsula with 16 drones early on Saturday, and that British navy "specialists" had helped coordinate the "terrorist" attack.

Russian Agriculture Minister Dmitry Patrushev said Russia was ready to supply up to 500,000 tonnes of grain to poor countries in the next four months for free, with assistance from Turkey, and supplant supplies of Ukrainian grains

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 30 Oct 2022 08:25

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Oct 2022 21:10

Seriously, I think it is time to defang the UK.

Remove them for the UNSC and work to denuclearize them.

How? Start with breaking their nation. Sub-nationalism works for everyone.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2022 00:50

Will happen under Sunak inshahlaw

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2022 20:11

Escalation on the other end of the world..

U.S. plans to deploy B-52s to north Australia amid China tensions -

Kaivalya · Post by **Kaivalya** » 31 Oct 2022 20:12

Ukranian dimran khan demands more running on thin winter ice

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna54592

But a phone call between the two leaders in June played out differently from previous ones, according to four people familiar with the call. Biden had barely finished telling Zelenskyy he’d just greenlighted another $1 billion in U.S. military assistance for Ukraine when Zelenskyy started listing all the additional help he needed and wasn’t getting. Biden lost his temper, the people familiar with the call said

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 31 Oct 2022 20:30

IndraD wrote:Ukrainians could ‘freeze to death’ this winter – Kiev mayor https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 88045.html

The attacks on the energy grid are being seen as a bid by Moscow to break the Ukrainian resolve heading into winter as almost 40% of the nation’s energy infrastructure has been damaged by missile and drone attacks, Ukraine's president Zelensky said.

“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them. But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us," Vitali Klitschko said.

I understand this as a effective tactic of war and bringing Ukraine to the negotiation table but there is a point at which humanity needs to be given due consideration.

While Americans have set an all time low benchmark of being inhuman low lives, there is no need for a military power like Russia to put civilian population through this

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Oct 2022 20:44

Then Ukrainian government has a simple choice to make. Assure Russians that they will never become a member of NATO embrace true neutrality.

I don't see the Ukrainian's doing that. So why should I care about the civillian lives about to be lost.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2022 20:57

Nihat ji,
Ukranian régimes and right wing neoonazi militias since 2014 have attacked Russian speaking people of their own country in Donbass and committed all kinds of atrocities. They continue to shell civilians in Donetsk even today. They used Russophone civilians as human shields at every opportunity, killed civilians for target practice, took them as hostages un Azovstal, shot PoWs in the knees and tortured and murdered at whim.

So why are they more deserving of peaceful life now in the middle of a war?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2022 22:48

At the current junction, those who speak of logic, rule of law, or who sit on the sidelines will be mere road kill. The warring herds will trample them and no one will care. Best to avoid logic, etc, and load up - arm yourself to your teeth.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Nov 2022 04:05

Thousands of Germans in Dresden protest against the EU’s sanctions on Russia. They don’t want to starve or freeze to death for Ukrainian President Zelenksy’s war. A war provoked and engaged in by the USA, EU and NATO. Take a look: https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/ ... dhqwQ1JDbA

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 01 Nov 2022 05:42

Qatar threatens gas withdrawal from Europeans

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 01 Nov 2022 08:10

Nihat wrote:
IndraD wrote:Ukrainians could ‘freeze to death’ this winter – Kiev mayor https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 88045.html

The attacks on the energy grid are being seen as a bid by Moscow to break the Ukrainian resolve heading into winter as almost 40% of the nation’s energy infrastructure has been damaged by missile and drone attacks, Ukraine's president Zelensky said.

“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them. But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us," Vitali Klitschko said.
I understand this as a effective tactic of war and bringing Ukraine to the negotiation table but there is a point at which humanity needs to be given due consideration.

Ukraine’s officials report that power has been restored for the 350,000 affected Kyiv apartments after this morning’s cruise missile attacks on Ukraine’s critical infrastructure
t.me/battleinsights

Is attack not effective? Or this is just a false propaganda.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Nov 2022 08:14

If power generation capacity is intact, then power can be restored by rerouted cables.

It's quite possible that Dynamos were intact in the plant. But a repeat strike can knock it out for good.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Nov 2022 19:10

The ministry did not say what Russia would do if ships continued to sail the route. On Monday a record volume of 354,500 tonnes of agricultural products left Ukrainian ports under the grain deal, despite Moscow's weekend announcement, a spokesperson for Odesa's military administration said.

The Kremlin said earlier on Monday that without Russian security commitments, the grain deal was "hardly feasible, and it takes on a different character - much more risky, dangerous and unguaranteed".

Russia says movement of ships in Black Sea corridor is 'unacceptable'
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 022-10-31/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 01 Nov 2022 22:23

Three grain ships set sail from Ukraine’s Black Sea ports on Tuesday in a sign that a safe-passage deal brokered by the United Nations and Turkey was moving forward even after President Putin said that Moscow’s participation had been suspended https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/01 ... out-russia

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 02 Nov 2022 05:13

Ukraine war: Kyiv water supply restored but blackouts remain https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63478704

Mr Klitschko said at one point, 80% of the capital city had been without water, and hundreds of thousands of homes without electricity.

As well as the power cuts, people have been urged to use as little power as possible, especially between 06:00 and 11:00 and 17:00 and 23:00. Restaurants, shops and other businesses face restrictions on external lighting.

In his post, Mr Klitschko said that from Wednesday, conventional buses would operate on all trolleybus routes, which run on electricity.

The city would set up 1,000 heating points to help keep residents warm during the winter, he added.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Nov 2022 16:24

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Nov 2022 17:50

chetak wrote:[img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FghosVwXEAA ... name=small[/img]

Under Lula Brazil might relent, maybe.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 02 Nov 2022 23:05

I think US is falsely propping Iran against Saudi to break nexus of Saidi and Russia. US has reported that Iran might attack Saudi Arabia ‘soon or at least within the next 48 hours’ how can a rich country be so foolish to fall for the trap? Does it not cross check with other nations or using its own intelligence?

vikassh · Post by **vikassh** » 03 Nov 2022 20:09

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 03 Nov 2022 22:14

Either Olaf in Germany stays, in which case he will navigate Germany to align with Russia/China, or he will go (and Neocons win)

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Nov 2022 05:28

EXCLUSIVE G7 coalition has agreed to set fixed price for Russian oil -sources

G7 Russian oil price cap applies only to seaborne crude -official

OPEC vs. G7+Aussies.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Nov 2022 05:31

EU's Borrell Says Russian Reserves Should Be Seized, Used To Rebuild Ukraine

Followed by:

Russia Lays Groundwork For Nationalizing Foreign Companies Amid Fallout From Ukraine War

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Nov 2022 05:44

Economic news from Europeans:

Europeans €3,000 poorer per year after financial crisis, new report claims

Energy crisis chips away at Europe's industrial might

Inflation hits new record in Europe, slowing economy

kit · Post by **kit** » 05 Nov 2022 14:14

What it means to be an American ally is now pertinently clear to everyone. Best example is Europe.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Nov 2022 18:11

kit wrote:What it means to be an American ally is now pertinently clear to everyone. Best example is Europe.

Just for the record, Putin blamed the Anglo-Saxon!!! He could have as easily said Americans.

There is/seems more to this. Certainly our current analytical tools are useless. Prefer to wait and see what Olaf Scholz does - earlier I had posted that he could align with Russia.

Pakalam

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 05 Nov 2022 20:18

Even I am reaching the conclusion that if Germans grow a brain. Then they will see that an alliance with Russia is in German national interest.

This is because the Polish and American stupidity.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Nov 2022 20:35

Pratyush wrote:Even I am reaching the conclusion that if Germans grow a brain. Then they will see that an alliance with Russia is in German national interest.

This is because the Polish and ~~American~~ UK stupidity.

FIFY