Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022
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What are we testing between 16 and 19 Dec?
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Credits to Kapil Kajal/JanesThe exercise was initiated by the Indian Air Force by launching smart anti-airfield weapons (SAAWs) from its Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter aircraft on a target.
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"The exercise was initiated by the Indian Air Force by launching smart anti-airfield weapons (SAAWs) from its Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter aircraft on a target."
Are these SAAWs the Indian made ones, that have been tested over the last few years?
Are these SAAWs the Indian made ones, that have been tested over the last few years?
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Yes. Its main intention is to take out at stand-off ranges, the pakis’ extensive investments in dispersed HAS at their major airbases. Earlier it needed overflightsVaroon Shekhar wrote: Are these SAAWs the Indian made ones, that have been tested over the last few years?
An Indian answer to SDB2 of khan. A single MKI can carry over 20 of these bad boys, so a flight of them can take out these F16 staging areas even if under HAS
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India successfully test-fires Agni 3 missile.
India successfully performed the training launch of the Agni-3 Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile(IRBM) from APJ Abdul Kalam Island, Odisha on Wednesday.
The test of Agni-3 was a part of routine user training launches which are performed under the aegis of the Strategic Forces Command. The launch was carried out by scientists for a predetermined range and stood on all the standards and operational parameters of the system.
Third entrant in the Agni missile series, Agni-3 was first tested on 9 July 2006. However, it was not a successful launch. The missile test fired succesfully in its second flight which took place in 2007. The missile also performed as per the standards in its third consecutive launch that took place in 2008. It has a range of 3,500 km and has the capability of carrying warhead weighing as much as 1.5 tonnes.
Due to to its high range of circular error probable(CEP), Agni-3 missile is known as world's most accurate strategic ballistic missile of its range class. With a high range of efficiency in its target, the war head can be a lethal weapon for the enemy. The accuracy of the nuclear warhead also provides an opportunity of deploying larger number of nuclear force using less fusion material. The low weight of the payload has increased the target range of the missile to 3,500 kilometre.
A month ago, India also successfully test fired the new generation advanced version of Agni missile series, Agni Prime. Also known as Agni-P, the nuclear-capable new-gen advanced variant has a maximum range of 2,000 kilometre.
India successfully performed the training launch of the Agni-3 Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile(IRBM) from APJ Abdul Kalam Island, Odisha on Wednesday.
The test of Agni-3 was a part of routine user training launches which are performed under the aegis of the Strategic Forces Command. The launch was carried out by scientists for a predetermined range and stood on all the standards and operational parameters of the system.
Third entrant in the Agni missile series, Agni-3 was first tested on 9 July 2006. However, it was not a successful launch. The missile test fired succesfully in its second flight which took place in 2007. The missile also performed as per the standards in its third consecutive launch that took place in 2008. It has a range of 3,500 km and has the capability of carrying warhead weighing as much as 1.5 tonnes.
Due to to its high range of circular error probable(CEP), Agni-3 missile is known as world's most accurate strategic ballistic missile of its range class. With a high range of efficiency in its target, the war head can be a lethal weapon for the enemy. The accuracy of the nuclear warhead also provides an opportunity of deploying larger number of nuclear force using less fusion material. The low weight of the payload has increased the target range of the missile to 3,500 kilometre.
A month ago, India also successfully test fired the new generation advanced version of Agni missile series, Agni Prime. Also known as Agni-P, the nuclear-capable new-gen advanced variant has a maximum range of 2,000 kilometre.
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What a confusing reporting by Live Mint.
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To be fair, IAF in 2006 or so issued a requirement for small and large stand-off bombs after assessing Kargil air operations. The paper was posted in these threads.
The SAAW got approved for funding in 2013!!!
And IGB was also approved and tested.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_Sm ... eld_Weapon
I say Kargil because look at the warhead modes for SAAW.
And 80% of targets can be destroyed with a 250lb weapon.
Only hard target air shelters etc need a heavier charge.
The SAAW got approved for funding in 2013!!!
And IGB was also approved and tested.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_Sm ... eld_Weapon
I say Kargil because look at the warhead modes for SAAW.
And 80% of targets can be destroyed with a 250lb weapon.
Only hard target air shelters etc need a heavier charge.
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Did it actually fly for 3,500 kms ?Vips wrote:India successfully test-fires Agni 3 missile.
India successfully performed the training launch of the Agni-3 Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile(IRBM) from APJ Abdul Kalam Island, Odisha on Wednesday.
The test of Agni-3 was a part of routine user training launches which are performed under the aegis of the Strategic Forces Command. The launch was carried out by scientists for a predetermined range and stood on all the standards and operational parameters of the system.
Third entrant in the Agni missile series, Agni-3 was first tested on 9 July 2006. However, it was not a successful launch. The missile test fired succesfully in its second flight which took place in 2007. The missile also performed as per the standards in its third consecutive launch that took place in 2008. It has a range of 3,500 km and has the capability of carrying warhead weighing as much as 1.5 tonnes.
Due to to its high range of circular error probable(CEP), Agni-3 missile is known as world's most accurate strategic ballistic missile of its range class. With a high range of efficiency in its target, the war head can be a lethal weapon for the enemy. The accuracy of the nuclear warhead also provides an opportunity of deploying larger number of nuclear force using less fusion material. The low weight of the payload has increased the target range of the missile to 3,500 kilometre.
A month ago, India also successfully test fired the new generation advanced version of Agni missile series, Agni Prime. Also known as Agni-P, the nuclear-capable new-gen advanced variant has a maximum range of 2,000 kilometre.
If launched from Wheeler Island / Dr Abdul Kalam centre, 3,500 km would be close to Australian west coast
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Agni 5 / 6 / ??rsingh wrote:What are we testing between 16 and 19 Dec?
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IAF set to place Rs 1,400 cr order for new age missiles to destroy enemy radars
In a major push to induct indigenously developed weapon systems, the Indian Air Force has moved a proposal worth over Rs 1,400 crore to the government for acquiring Rudram next-generation anti-radiation missiles (NGARM) to search and destroy enemy radar locations, informed defence officials.
"A proposal for acquisition of advanced missiles developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation is with the Defence Ministry and a high-level meeting would soon be taking a call on it," defence officials told ANI.
The next-generation anti-radiation missiles have already been tested by the Indian Air Force from its Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft fleet and can destroy enemy radar locations during conflicts, they said.
The destruction of radar systems can help the Indian Air Force to strike targets without detection, the officials said.
The NGARM can be fired from IAF fighters like the Sukhoi-30 and the Mirage-2000. It is accurate and has been developed with the capability to even track a radar system even if it is not operating.
NGARM is India's first indigenously developed anti-radiation missile that has a speed of Mach two or twice the speed of sound.
The tactical, air-to-surface anti-radiation missile is equipped with a passive homing head that tracks sources of radiation of a wide range of frequencies. It can lock into a target not only before launch but also after it has been launched.
The NGARM induction would be a big boost for the Indian Air Force as it would help the force prepare for future wars with indigenous weapon systems.
Recently, Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari stated that based on lessons learnt from the Ukraine-Russia war, the Indian Air Force would be focusing on inducting 'made in Indian weapons'.
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KaranM or Haridas,
Can the Rudram/NGARM be fired in air-to-air mode at a Paki/PLAAF AWACS?
I note it can be fired from Su-30 MKI and M2K planes.
What would be its range in A2A mode?
Can the Rudram/NGARM be fired in air-to-air mode at a Paki/PLAAF AWACS?
I note it can be fired from Su-30 MKI and M2K planes.
What would be its range in A2A mode?
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Great news, though the order size seems small for our 2 fronts. Its for 80 units.
A couple of things stand out:
1) Unit cost is $2M+, which is almost 10X the cost of US HARM. Though, to be fair, the newer variations of HARM cost $1M+. I hope this is the cost amortization of Rudram R&D effort + any infra/training setup. It also shows the power of mass-production. Over 23K units of HARM were produced. That's the kind of volumes that will make the cost come down to 1/10th of what it is today
2) Not sure why this missile weights 600 Kg, compared to HARM's 360 Kg for similar range and warhead weight. Maybe dual-pulse rocket motor? Still, it seems like there is scope for more R&D to reduce weight so that a single Sukhoi can carry more of these
3) Future variants must have dimensions that can fit into AMCA's internal payload. This was a requirement for the newer HARM-ER variant - for it to fit into the F-35 internal bay
Hoping for more orders (just like for Astra-1), so that all the above improvements can happen
A couple of things stand out:
1) Unit cost is $2M+, which is almost 10X the cost of US HARM. Though, to be fair, the newer variations of HARM cost $1M+. I hope this is the cost amortization of Rudram R&D effort + any infra/training setup. It also shows the power of mass-production. Over 23K units of HARM were produced. That's the kind of volumes that will make the cost come down to 1/10th of what it is today
2) Not sure why this missile weights 600 Kg, compared to HARM's 360 Kg for similar range and warhead weight. Maybe dual-pulse rocket motor? Still, it seems like there is scope for more R&D to reduce weight so that a single Sukhoi can carry more of these
3) Future variants must have dimensions that can fit into AMCA's internal payload. This was a requirement for the newer HARM-ER variant - for it to fit into the F-35 internal bay
Hoping for more orders (just like for Astra-1), so that all the above improvements can happen
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Yes it can, with structural mods. Range depends on alt R sir. Higher alts max range (15km, easily 150km).ramana wrote:KaranM or Haridas,
Can the Rudram/NGARM be fired in air-to-air mode at a Paki/PLAAF AWACS?
I note it can be fired from Su-30 MKI and M2K planes.
What would be its range in A2A mode?
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It's not a HARM, but far better. That's all that can be said on the matter. Su-30 can carry 6 of them already. Quite sufficient.Prem Kumar wrote: 2) Not sure why this missile weights 600 Kg, compared to HARM's 360 Kg for similar range and warhead weight. Maybe dual-pulse rocket motor? Still, it seems like there is scope for more R&D to reduce weight so that a single Sukhoi can carry more of these
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It looks like the specs of Rudram-1 is similar to those of the new generation HARM-ER - in terms of range, warhead, seekers etc. But the latter seems a more compact missile. Not dissing Rudram-1 of course. But am arguing for more orders, which will fund further development to make it a lighter, faster, more compact missile.
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What is the performance of the "best" pakistani SAM ? Max range ? Max altitude ?
We must have a ARM which can be launched beyond the above values
We must have a ARM which can be launched beyond the above values
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What news about the Harpy and Harop anti-radiation loitering munitions we got from the Israelis ?
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A "lighter or more compact missile" would be a step back, given the targets Rudram is meant to go for. There is no direct eqvt of the Rudram, 1 to 1, in the WW market. The seeker devpt of course is a valid issue and needs to keep improving with more orders, R&D funds.Prem Kumar wrote:It looks like the specs of Rudram-1 is similar to those of the new generation HARM-ER - in terms of range, warhead, seekers etc. But the latter seems a more compact missile. Not dissing Rudram-1 of course. But am arguing for more orders, which will fund further development to make it a lighter, faster, more compact missile.
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Can you clarify some more on what exactly is the role for Rudram-1 and why no equivalent exists (if these can be discussed in an open forum)?
Is there a specific need for a heavy A2G missile? I can imagine bunker-busting role for instance, but all open source info defines its role to be purely ARM (& the seekers like PHH are optimized for that role)
This is what Indranil had tweeted in 2020
Is there a specific need for a heavy A2G missile? I can imagine bunker-busting role for instance, but all open source info defines its role to be purely ARM (& the seekers like PHH are optimized for that role)
This is what Indranil had tweeted in 2020
Actually, Rudram I is in testing already. Most probably NGARM based: Same propulsion and warhead, but different seeker. Except very fast induction. I don't know why such a missile is so hush-hush though
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Yeah, I would also like to understand the mission profiles for Rudram-1.
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Rudram is an anti radiation missile, would be used to for SEAD/DEAD. My sense is heavyily defended/fortified static radars..not sure if it can be used for moving targets
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Yes, it is designed to take out mobile radar units too, because it has an active MMW seeker. It has INS/GPS + PHH + MMW seekers. Its our first dual-seeker missile - very sophisticated!
I don't understand the weight - why it needs to be so heavy. Its like KH-31P which weighs 600 Kg, but the latter is booster + ramjet powered, which we know from the Akash experience, makes the missile heavy. The dual-pulse Astra is a good comparison and weighs 150 Kgs. So, even given its A2G role, bigger warhead and additional seeker, something doesn't compute with the 600 Kg weight
I don't understand the weight - why it needs to be so heavy. Its like KH-31P which weighs 600 Kg, but the latter is booster + ramjet powered, which we know from the Akash experience, makes the missile heavy. The dual-pulse Astra is a good comparison and weighs 150 Kgs. So, even given its A2G role, bigger warhead and additional seeker, something doesn't compute with the 600 Kg weight
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Can we test this radiation missiles in real war situation. May be Azarbaizan - Arminia is a good place to test many of our works.
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What I find interesting is the 6 Rudram-1 that can be carried by Su-30MKI.
Does the aircraft have any capability to detect and classify ground based emitters, and then cue this heavy load of missiles?
....If it doesn't then
........Su-30MKI will take-off with pre-programmed coordinates, OR
........it will be cued by another airborne platform specialising in such capability (This is a significant capability addition in itself)
....If it does then it will be a SEAD/DEAD hunter-killer with two mission profiles
........to bait and fry any emitter
........Escort and protect Balakot type missions
Suppression is the key to the first lock in achieving Air Superiority.
Does the aircraft have any capability to detect and classify ground based emitters, and then cue this heavy load of missiles?
....If it doesn't then
........Su-30MKI will take-off with pre-programmed coordinates, OR
........it will be cued by another airborne platform specialising in such capability (This is a significant capability addition in itself)
....If it does then it will be a SEAD/DEAD hunter-killer with two mission profiles
........to bait and fry any emitter
........Escort and protect Balakot type missions
Suppression is the key to the first lock in achieving Air Superiority.
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That would be ideal scenario. Practically in many scenarios you can be within SAM range and still release ARM.Kersi wrote:What is the performance of the "best" pakistani SAM ? Max range ? Max altitude ?
We must have a ARM which can be launched beyond the above values
like - you could do nape of earth flying and then gain altitude to launch missile and exit the theatre
OR in the fog of war even though you have been detected but target has not been verified - where theatre has multiple bogeys and SAMs.
There could be more scenarios.
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Don't want to discuss attributes of any Indian weapons in open forum. Very little chance opponents don't understand it anyway. But why risk it.Prem Kumar wrote:Can you clarify some more on what exactly is the role for Rudram-1 and why no equivalent exists (if these can be discussed in an open forum)?
Is there a specific need for a heavy A2G missile? I can imagine bunker-busting role for instance, but all open source info defines its role to be purely ARM (& the seekers like PHH are optimized for that role)
This is what Indranil had tweeted in 2020
Actually, Rudram I is in testing already. Most probably NGARM based: Same propulsion and warhead, but different seeker. Except very fast induction. I don't know why such a missile is so hush-hush though
I would prefer though, the DRDO adds Spice type EO seekers to the Rudram-1 as well with auto target recognition.
Indranil was going off available info at that time. Rudram 1 is NGARM. They are one and the same.
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There were some earlier reports (circa 2017) that the NGARM was too short-legged (like 70 Km range) for the IAF''s liking. So, I think there has been an evolution of the missile over time. Turnaround seems to have been fast. The IAF seems quite happy with the Rudram-1 performance.
On a different note, NOTAM issued for 5400 Km in the Bay of Bengal! Speculations rife that its either a K4 test or an Agni-V test
On a different note, NOTAM issued for 5400 Km in the Bay of Bengal! Speculations rife that its either a K4 test or an Agni-V test
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K-4 does not have range of 5400 Km. This may be either Agni VI with MIRV capability or K5.Prem Kumar wrote: On a different note, NOTAM issued for 5400 Km in the Bay of Bengal! Speculations rife that its either a K4 test or an Agni-V test
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Army Tests Extended Range BrahMos Cruise Missile From Andaman And Nicobar Islands.
The Indian Army tested a BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from the Andaman and Nicobar (A&N) Islands earlier today (29 November).
An extended-range version of the missile was tested by the Western Command of the Army, the A&N command, the only tri-services command of the Indian Army, said in a post on Twitter.
Earlier this month, India had issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM), indicative of a missile test, for 29 November and 1 December.
The no-fly zone notified for the test suggests that the variant of the missile tested today can hit targets at a range of 450 km or more.
India has conducted multiple tests of the BrahMos cruise missile from the A&N Islands this year. In February, India test-fired a BrahMos missile from a land-based launcher there. An extended-range version of the BrahMos cruise missile was tested from the Islands in March. In April, the A&N Command test-fired the anti-ship version of the BrahMos.
The Indian Army tested a BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from the Andaman and Nicobar (A&N) Islands earlier today (29 November).
An extended-range version of the missile was tested by the Western Command of the Army, the A&N command, the only tri-services command of the Indian Army, said in a post on Twitter.
Earlier this month, India had issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM), indicative of a missile test, for 29 November and 1 December.
The no-fly zone notified for the test suggests that the variant of the missile tested today can hit targets at a range of 450 km or more.
India has conducted multiple tests of the BrahMos cruise missile from the A&N Islands this year. In February, India test-fired a BrahMos missile from a land-based launcher there. An extended-range version of the BrahMos cruise missile was tested from the Islands in March. In April, the A&N Command test-fired the anti-ship version of the BrahMos.
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Probably a5 ? Interestingly we are still keeping our ICBM capabilities pretty ambiguous. 5400 km is a very specific number . About time we came out in open about are ability to hit anywhere in the world ? In any case the Yankees know we can do that .Vips wrote:K-4 does not have range of 5400 Km. This may be either Agni VI with MIRV capability or K5.Prem Kumar wrote: On a different note, NOTAM issued for 5400 Km in the Bay of Bengal! Speculations rife that its either a K4 test or an Agni-V test
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K5 and K6 are most likely the same missile with the latter carrying the true payload weight. Hard to believe with debug and advances in warhead design it would be 2 ton.
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This is what gets the cheeni's goat.....
India is conducting the test of the 8000 km range Agni-V ballistic missile off the coast of Odisha from 15-16 December
The cheeni have bitterly accused India of deliberating misstating the range of her earlier agni missiles, and why not........
some secrets must remain within the family onlee
India is conducting the test of the 8000 km range Agni-V ballistic missile off the coast of Odisha from 15-16 December
The cheeni have bitterly accused India of deliberating misstating the range of her earlier agni missiles, and why not........
some secrets must remain within the family onlee
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5400km was intentional as it keeps the missile below icbm range.
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Amid heightened tensions along LAC in Tawang region, #India successfully test fires intercontinental range nuke capable ballistic missile #Agni5 from a defence facility off Odisha coast. The weapon system carrying a dummy warhead tested for full operational range
https://twitter.com/TheHemantRout/statu ... rC-xA&s=19
https://twitter.com/TheHemantRout/statu ... rC-xA&s=19
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India just launched something from the coast of Orissa .. What is this some kind of rocket or missile
#agni5 #missilelaunch #india
https://twitter.com/Rich_Satoshi/status ... -bAgw&s=19
#agni5 #missilelaunch #india
https://twitter.com/Rich_Satoshi/status ... -bAgw&s=19
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Agni-V test seen from Bokaro, Jharkhand
https://twitter.com/AnantSh49477274/sta ... yyqNA&s=19
From Orissa
https://twitter.com/in20im/status/16033 ... OfKGA&s=19
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Hemant Kumar Rout tweeted:
Amid heightened tensions along LAC in Tawang region, #India successfully test fires intercontinental range nuke capable ballistic missile #Agni5 from a defence facility off Odisha coast. The weapon system carrying a dummy warhead tested for full operational range @NewIndianXpress