Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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NRao wrote: I just do not see anything hurting Russia. Russia is sitting on $72 trillion of natural resources (which is what the Neocons want and are waging this war in UKR) and next up is the US at $45 trillion. As long as Russia has a stable political system I do not see anything happening to them. They have a very robust MIC to add to their resources.
The most valuable resource in Russia are its hard-working, educated, intelligent and resilient people. The biggest impediment on realising their potential is unfortunately their government.

Oil and gas (or other mineral) reserves alone don’t make for a successful economy. Venezuela has gargantuan oil reserves and a total disaster of an economy. Iran has the world’s second largest gas reserves and is also an economic (and social) disaster zone.

As someone once said “Victory has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan.” Shifting the “credit” for the Ukraine war to the Neocons would suggest that the “special military operation” has not turned out nearly as well as expected by President Putin.

As for the outlook for Russia’s economy, this is a good /balanced / well-informed article by a former Russia central bank staffer:

The Cost of War: Russian Economy Faces a Decade of Regress
Nine months after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Russian economy is doing better than expected. The predicted collapse has been avoided, and the forecasted 8–10 percent fall in GDP for the year has been reduced to a 3–4 percent drop.

Still, before the war, 3 percent growth was predicted. Recovery is only expected to begin in 2024 at best, and only in the unlikely event that external factors do not significantly worsen. Russia looks set to see yet another lost decade, with a decade of stagnation followed by a decade of regression.

Thanks to these preparations, the effect of sanctions proved weaker than predicted in the short term, but it has also been more prolonged. The budget, buoyed in the first few months by oil and gas revenues, has begun to shrink. Non-oil and gas revenues fell by 20 percent in October in annual terms, and almost all the growth in oil and gas revenues came from the increase in the mineral extraction tax on Gazprom.

The recession is likely to continue because Russian industry—even the military sector—is highly dependent on the import of high-tech goods, predominantly from the West. Technology imports from all countries have fallen, with the exception of Turkey. A collapse in those imports will reduce production and make it more primitive, a process that is already under way.

The voluntary departure of many Western companies and the total break in trade with Europe in energy commodities, along with an absence of equivalent alternatives, will continue to hold the Russian economy back.

Amid the atmosphere of uncertainty, investment is at risk of being slashed. Private business was already limiting investment due to the unfavorable business climate. Now the war and sanctions have killed it off completely.

It’s harder to calculate the long-term losses from the vast number of people who have left Russia since the beginning of the war, which is estimated at 500,000 to a million.

Major difficulties arise from the reorientation of Russian production toward new markets. The throughput capability of infrastructure linking Russia with the East is limited: port, rail, and pipeline capacities are already overloaded, and the creation of new capacity requires resources and technology. Meanwhile, the infrastructure that serviced trade with Europe lies idle as a result of sanctions.

Russia is also under pressure to make compromises and offer discounts on its goods to those who are still prepared to buy them: right now, Russia needs those markets more than they need Russia.

The Russian economy’s prewar potential was not overly large, with growth at 2–3 percent per year. The war against Ukraine and external restrictions have lowered it to about 1 percent. For now, the economy’s development will be put into reverse and it will take three to five years for that decline to come to a halt.

The government and President Vladimir Putin like to repeat that Russia already has everything it needs for development. But a transition to growth based on internal resources would require an end to the war in Ukraine. It would also need less unpredictability overall, increased competition, the decriminalization of economic infringements, and effective safeguards for property rights. The Russian authorities and president have consistently failed to provide those conditions.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... on-ukraine

missiles in several dozens fired on Ukraine, however all intercepted by Biden's missiles in Ukraine, still transformer failure happened in as far as Lviv and there is no electricity in major cities
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/12/worl ... siles.html

not long ago NYT claimed Russia has 6 missiles left, after 100s being fired every week, it has changed narrative to these are old missiles not new hence Russia has only 6 missiles left
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What the former russan banker fails to account for is the elasticity of debt free Russian economy and the comfort should I say the luxury of time it offers to reorient resources, adjust policies as needed without interest collectors and wall street vultures circling overhead.

Western economic theory is mostly a crock of shite as India and now Russia are proving even as they go through once a lifetime events like pandemic and large scale war and come out mostly ok disproving western theorists.
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It seems former general Petraeus is pushing for a coalition of the willing force to get into Ukraine. Lots of other interesting insights and lessons here:

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eklavya wrote:
The most valuable resource in Russia are its hard-working, educated, intelligent and resilient people. The biggest impediment on realising their potential is unfortunately their government.

Oil and gas (or other mineral) reserves alone don’t make for a successful economy. Venezuela has gargantuan oil reserves and a total disaster of an economy. Iran has the world’s second largest gas reserves and is also an economic (and social) disaster zone.
Amazing.

No idea where Russian O&G is equated to "natural resources" when O&G is not even in the top 5 natural resources of Russia!!!

Anyways, I am going to place you on my ignore list. My BP has gone from 100 to 102. Not good.
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Russia’s proposals on Ukraine’s demilitarization should be better accepted — Lavrov
MOSCOW, December 27. /TASS/. Russia’s proposals on demilitarization and denazification of Kiev-controlled lands and on the elimination of security threats should be accepted in an ‘amicable way’ or the Russian Army will deal with this issue, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with TASS.

"The enemy is well aware of our proposals on the demilitarization and denazification of the [Kiev] regime’s controlled territories, the elimination of threats to Russia’s security that come from there and it includes our new territories [DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions]," the minister said.

"There is a little left to do - to accept these proposals in an amicable way. Otherwise, the Russian Army will deal with this issue," Lavrov stated.

"As for the possible continuance of the conflict, then the ball is on the court’s side of the [Kiev] regime and Washington, which stands behind it. They can put an end at any time to this senseless resistance," the Russian foreign minister added.

Russia’s special military operation

On February 21, President Vladimir Putin announced that Moscow was recognizing the sovereignty of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. Russia signed agreements on friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance with their leaders. Moscow recognized the Donbass republics in accordance with the DPR and LPR constitutions within the boundaries of the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions as of the beginning of 2014.

Russian President Putin announced on February 24 that in response to a request by the heads of the Donbass republics for assistance, he had decided to carry out a special military operation in Ukraine. The DPR and the LPR launched an operation to liberate their territories under Kiev’s control.

From September 23 to September 27, the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic as well as the Kherson Region and the Zaporozhye Region held a referendum where the majority of voters opted to join Russia.

On September 30, Russian President Vladimir Putin and the heads of the DPR, the LPR, and the Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions signed treaties on their accession to Russia. Later, the State Duma and the Federation Council (the lower and upper houses of Russia’s parliament) approved legislation on ratifying these treaties, as well as federal constitutional laws on the accession of the four regions to Russia.
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Ukraine war: Five ways conflict could go in 2023
'No other outcome except Russian defeat'

Ben Hodges, former commanding general, United States Army Europe

It's too early to plan a victory parade in Kyiv but all the momentum is with Ukraine now and there is no doubt in my mind that they will win this war, probably in 2023.

Things will move slower over the winter but there's no doubt that Ukraine's forces will be better able to cope than Russia's because of all the winter equipment coming from the UK, Canada and Germany.

By January, Ukraine could be in a position to begin the final phase of the campaign which is the liberation of Crimea.

We know from history that war is a test of will and a test of logistics. When I see the determination of the Ukrainian people and soldiers, and the rapidly improving logistical situation for Ukraine, I see no other outcome but a Russian defeat.

The Russian pull-out from Kherson has partly led me to this conclusion. Firstly as a psychological boost for the Ukrainian people, secondly as a profound embarrassment for the Kremlin and thirdly by handing Ukraine's forces a key operational advantage - all approaches into Crimea are now within range of Ukrainian weapon systems.

I believe that the end of 2023 will see Crimea fully restored to Ukrainian control and sovereignty though there may be some sort or agreement that allows Russia to phase out some of its naval presence in Sevastopol… perhaps even to the end of the treaty (approximately 2025) that had existed before Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea.

Reconstruction efforts will be under way on the Ukrainian infrastructure along the Azov Sea coast, including the important ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk, and the reopening of the North Crimean Canal that diverts water from the Dnipro to Crimea will be another important project receiving attention.
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The most important question

Dec 27, 2022
Looks like we will make it to Dec 31, 2022. Will we make it to December 31, 2023?

This question is not hyperbole. I would even argue that this is the single most important question for at least the entire northern hemisphere.

I have been warning that Russia is preparing for a fullscale war since at least 2014. Putin basically said just that in his recent speech before the Russian Defense Ministry Board. If you have not seen this video, you really should watch it, it it will give you a direct insight into how the Kremlin thinks and what it is preparing for. Here is that video again:

{embedded yt video in the link}

I will assume that you have watched that video and that I don’t need to prove to you that Russia is gearing out for a massive war, including a nuclear one.

Foreign Minister Lavrov has publicly declared that “unnamed officials from the Pentagon actually threatened to conduct a ‘decapitation strike’ on the Kremlin…What we are talking about is the threat of the physical elimination of the head of the Russian state, (…) If such ideas are actually being nourished by someone, this someone should think very carefully about the possible consequences of such plans.”

So, we have the following situation:

* For Russia this war is clearly, undeniably and officially an existential one. To dismiss this reality would be the height of folly. When the strongest nuclear power on the planet declares, repeatedly, that this is an existential war everybody ought to really take it seriously and not go into deep denial.
* For the US Neocons this is also an existential war: if Russia wins, then NATO loses and, therefore, the US loses too. Which means that all those SOBs who for months fed everybody nonsense about Russia loosing the war to the general public will be held responsible for the inevitable disaster.

So much will depend on whether US Americans, especially those in power, are willing to die in solidarity with the “crazies in the basement” or not. Right now it sure looks like they are. Don’t count on the EU, they have long given up any agency. Talking to them simply makes no sense.

Which might explain Medvedev’s recent words “Alas, there is nobody in the West we could deal with about anything for any reason (..) is the last warning to all nations: there can be no business with the Anglo-Saxon world because it is a thief, a swindler, a card-sharp that could do anything.”

Russia can do many things, but it cannot liberate the USA from the grip of the Neocons. That is something which only US Americans can do.

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While Ben Hodges is smoking weed and writing tales, we have the following:

Mikhail Podoliak, an advisor to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, claimed in a tweet that Moscow had fired over 120 missiles on Thursday.

Odessa Region Governor Maxim Marchenko reported that a strike on energy infrastructure caused a partial blackout in the province. The mayor of the city of Kharkov, Igor Terekhov, reported that some of the missiles had hit targets in his city. Lviv Mayor Andrey Sadovoy, reported that 90% of his city was without power, forcing the suspension of trams and trolleys. Vitaly Klitschko, the mayor of the Ukrainian capital, warned residents about possible power cuts and urged them to stockpile water. Ukrainian Energy Minister German Galushchenko assessed last week that it would take six months to “stabilize” the country’s energy system.

Merger of Crimean and mainland electrical grids complete – Moscow. The power grid of the Crimean Peninsula and the rest of the Russian Federation has been completed.

NRaoji, the Ground forces of Nato, Poland, Germany, UK, blah blah are not up to the task and are hiding behind huge myths swashed around in the media. I see a huge defeat in the gamble the Neocons took in Ukraine and they have to live with the consequences. A lot of folks in the US see through the charade. BTW the Jan 6 committee withdrew the subpeona against DJ Trump. Trump attorney Harmeet Dhillon spearheaded the lawsuit against the illegitimate subpoena. FBI involvement in suppressing social media coverage of then-candidate Joe Biden’s son Hunter’s laptop story in the months leading up to the 2020 presidential election is well known.
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‘Hundreds’ of American troops are in Ukraine, Lavrov https://www.rt.com/russia/569154-lavrov ... s-ukraine/

Finally Russia may disrupt supply lines to Ukraine

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has alleged that up to “hundreds” of American servicemen are deployed to Ukraine, claiming that US soldiers, military advisers, and intelligence officers have long been direct participants in the conflict.

Sitting down with Russia’s Channel One for an interview on Wednesday, Lavrov spoke at length about Washington’s deep involvement in the hostilities in Ukraine, which has steadily grown despite repeated assurances from American leaders that US personnel would have no role in the fighting.

“Dozens, maybe even hundreds of American troops are in Ukraine, they were there even before the coup,” the FM said, referring to the 2014 ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich by nationalist groups and pro-Western activists. “CIA officers occupied at least one floor in the Security Service of Ukraine.”

US should think twice before contemplating ‘decapitation strike’ – LavrovREAD MORE: US should think twice before contemplating ‘decapitation strike’ – Lavrov
Lavrov also claimed that the US military attaché based in Kiev has provided significant advice to the Ukrainian authorities, saying, “Military specialists are obviously engaged not only in making visits to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, but, of course, in one way or another they provide direct advisory, and maybe even more than advisory, services.”

He noted that a separate team of US specialists, created after American lawmakers demanded a more robust mechanism for tracking billions in lethal aid, has traveled to Ukraine to monitor the flow of Western arms to the country.

Given that “Ukraine is receiving more and more and better Western weapons,” the FM said Russian forces are now formulating plans to disrupt the arms shipments, adding that “Railway lines, bridges and tunnels” are being considered as targets to “make these deliveries more difficult or, ideally, stop them altogether.”
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eklavya wrote:Ukraine war: Five ways conflict could go in 2023
'No other outcome except Russian defeat'

Ben Hodges, former commanding general, United States Army Europe

It's too early to plan a victory parade in Kyiv but all the momentum is with Ukraine now and there is no doubt in my mind that they will win this war, probably in 2023.

Things will move slower over the winter but there's no doubt that Ukraine's forces will be better able to cope than Russia's because of all the winter equipment coming from the UK, Canada and Germany.

By January, Ukraine could be in a position to begin the final phase of the campaign which is the liberation of Crimea.
If ukn tries this, then we might finally see some nuclear action. Crimean liberation will be too much for putin to digest.


btw Ukn figuring out how to retake crimea is definitely possible. At this point things become absurd. Anything can happen then.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... wn-says-un

Kherson 'liberation' celebrated with known fanfare in west media has been shortlived, Ukr has asked civilians to vacate Kherson as Russia batters the city with 24X7 rocket barrage
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^ purely from the strategic point of view it's not possible. They are trying to prevent Russian capture of their territory. Absolutely out of question that they ll try to capture territory that they did not have . Bulk of NATO will get wasted in trying to capture Crimea . I think they should start writing realistic op-eds by now and try to end this bloodbath and prevent more predominantly Ukrainian lives from ending. But then ,if they were wise we would not have got to this point .
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^^ just open up any western rag (BBC to CNN, so called RW media of Eu like Telegraph are even worse than BBC), there is propaganda one after another, an article on how civilians are fleeing Kherson is full of how Russia is on backfoot in Bakhmut (another lie), Khemmin is about to be retaken by Ukrops etc etc ...there is no semblance of sanity!
Reports on 'how Ukrops shot all missiles down with vehicles and building on fire in background and no electricity news' Some of these op eds are ending here on Bharat Rakshak
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Alex Cristofuru said that the Ru DoD has an account in one of the SM (Telegraph?). In a recent post, they had a shot of the Kinzhal missile with the caption "We will never run out of"

Personally, I feel that Russia has been planning for such an eventuality for about 10 years now. And, the collective West has and is currently daydreaming. Unfortunately, politicians, news outlets, think tanks, and some major educational institutions in the West have collectively failed at the same time.
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By now Russia should have been out of missile , out of educated work force ,out of money and Putin would have been in jail. One thing I don't quite understand is why is china so much more successful in controlling western media than ruskies ?
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China controls what people can see domestically. So there is no value for western media propaganda on the Chinese mainlanders. So that is the point of all the outrage!
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Excellent point.
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gakakkad wrote:By now Russia should have been out of missile , out of educated work force ,out of money and Putin would have been in jail. One thing I don't quite understand is why is china so much more successful in controlling western media than ruskies ?

They should also have reached the Atlantic
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gakakkad wrote: One thing I don't quite understand is why is china so much more successful in controlling western media than ruskies ?
Because China is a communist state where the Party rules with an iron fist. Plus the Chinese have had a long standing programme to infiltrate and influence western institutions.

How would you describe Russia?
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eklavya wrote:Ukraine war: Five ways conflict could go in 2023
'No other outcome except Russian defeat'

Ben Hodges, former commanding general, United States Army Europe

It's too early to plan a victory parade in Kyiv but all the momentum is with Ukraine now and there is no doubt in my mind that they will win this war, probably in 2023.

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Why you post from BBC which is basically a UK govt lackey is kinda hilarious. when have the BBC been correct about anything. India, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Julian Asange. They are straight up a govt cutout. Anyway facts are there to see. 20 something NATO countries versus Russia. Let's give it a few years and see what happens.
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Some more combat footage. in the 2014 campaign, we had one YT channel, Kazussa or something that was posting a lot of trench warfare and English translated videos. Miss that dude.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/k2MYnfNiiEQi/

Trench warfare- Two ukr soldiers get killed in close range [Turn volume down, it's just music but still loud music]
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Orb0LEX12b8m/

17 min go pro video of Ukr soldiers running to save his buddies life in a open field and then gets shot. Calls for support that never comes
https://www.bitchute.com/video/x2G33lzwrLuN/
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Russia's Shoigu says victory 'inevitable' in New Year message (Reuters)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ru ... 7d1ba0d071

idea with such headlines is to lure unsuspecting readers into curiosity then same recipe follows:

-Putin was supposed to take over Kiev in 3 days
-Russia has failed to gain any territory
-Russia is massively humiliated
-It is running out of missiles (while one flies overhead)
-Putin in health crisis (insiders tell UK he fell yesterday)
etc (discussed here beforehand)
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Then why post it?
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https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1609 ... 3D_jSK8sVA
new wave of missiles batter Ukraine (all got intercepted)
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Russia releases dramatic footage of missile strikes on Ukraine Army, energy sites
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U.S. Military Expert John Spencer: 'Ukraine's Position On The Battlefield Is Very Strong'
John Spencer is a retired U.S. Army major and expert on urban warfare. He currently serves as the chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Madison Policy Forum. Spencer is also the author of the Mini-Manual For The Urban Defender, which draws on his decades of military experience. It has been translated into Ukrainian and is used by the country's military.

In an interview with RFE/RL's Georgian Service, Spencer says Russian President Vladimir Putin is unlikely to end the Russian invasion of Ukraine anytime soon but he predicts Ukraine will ultimately prevail. He says the recent decision by Washington to deliver a Patriot missile battery to Ukraine may not be a game-changing move, but it could trigger other Western allies to donate similar systems, bolstering Kyiv's defenses. Spencer also says the West has been too tentative in delivering weapons to Ukraine due to what he considers unfounded fears of how the Kremlin will react.
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^^ out of curiosity searched about this site as most of them are CIA catspaws this is what came out
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https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1609 ... 3D_jSK8sVA Russian cruise missile strike targeted a large gathering of Ukrainian Police and the 15th Battalion of the Ukrainian National Guard, in Krasny Lyman

so much destruction caused by a single missile :shock: ?
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We are not seeing the impact from the outside in.

We are seeing nearly 360 from the impact point.

So it looks huge.
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IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1609 ... 3D_jSK8sVA Russian cruise missile strike targeted a large gathering of Ukrainian Police and the 15th Battalion of the Ukrainian National Guard, in Krasny Lyman

so much destruction caused by a single missile :shock: ?
Krasny Liman is within MLRS range of the front. That's more likely a MLRS strike.

In Russian channels there was talk that earlier the time the Russians took from identifying a target and getting artillery to fire at it, was 30 mins.
This has now reduced for 2 reasons:

1. Pencillin gun locating radars have been deployed in larger numbers - it listens to seismic and acoustic disturbances to identify artillery, without
exposing itself.
2. More artillery observers and Spl forces are being sent across the lines, to provide human intel on targets.

In both cases, authority to open fire has been delegated down one level.

There is now a shortage of artillery ammo being reported by units like Wagner - also wearing down of gun barrels. Tanks are being used as arty guns.
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https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1 ... yjRzQ&s=19

A major strike by Himars reported. Some claim upto 200 RU soldiers dead.
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vinod wrote:https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1 ... yjRzQ&s=19

A major strike by Himars reported. Some claim upto 200 RU soldiers dead.
RuMoD confirms 63 KIA from 4(/6) M31 hits.
Very substantial loss.
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Detailed analysis of the early stages of the war. RUSI is a UK think tank. In terms of sources and intellectual rigor, the best I've seen.

https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine- ... -final.pdf
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Makeevka seems to be one of the biggest hits using US missiles , so far in this war
Claims from 63-400 killed in Himars strike. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... lls-troops
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Some numbers on Russian artillery, that I have cross referenced from various sources, to give an idea of how long stock can last.

Russia's main artillery platform is the 152mm self propelled gun.
They have approx. 2000 of these and 1650 in reserve, of which about half will be serviceable.
Half those in active service (and all the reserve) are 1970s vintage.

The formations in Ukraine had 1200 152 mm SP guns (120 BTG's * 10 guns per BTG).
They have lost about 250 guns so far and a similar number may be damaged. Assuming all these are replenished, it leaves barely 300 guns for the
rest of the Russian army. A lot of the reserve guns would be used for barrel replacement- for which capacity is barely 100 a year, while all the 1200
guns have, by now, passed their barrel life, which is about 2500-3000 rounds.
Some of the Russian formations are now using the 203mm SP guns (barely 100 in service)

There are less than 1000 152mm towed guns. Given an ammo shortage, Russia would rather use SP guns. Towed artillery took heavy losses in phase
1 of the war.

The DPR/LPR militia in Ukraine are using 122mm field guns and SP guns.

There were an estimated 17 million rounds of 152mm ammo before the war.
13 million of these were made before 2014.
Some of the older shells have to be refurbished, this is being done at 700,000 per year (assume it will double from 2022).

Russian production capacity of new shells is also around 750,000 per year. This too can double (since plants were earlier working single shifts and
assuming raw materials and tooling is available). It can increase by another million, if there are no old shells being refurbished.
So 2.5 million shells / year max can be produced.

Russia is estimated to be using 25000 152mm shells per day, or 7.5 million in 2022.
This they should end 2022 with 17 mil (opening stock) + 1.5 million (production) - 7.5 mil (usage) - 0.5 mil (destroyed/defective) = 10.5 mil shells.
They can get a max 1 million shells from North Korea and Belarus in 2022/23.

Beyond 2023, Russia will have to work with 3-4 million shells / year, or just 10 shells / day for 1000 guns.
Russia by this time will have barely 1000 * 152mm SP guns deployable in Ukraine.
This is less than half the artillery firepower which started the war.

The ammo situation with 122mm and MLRS rockets is worse than for 152mm.
My numbers are more optimistic (for Russia) than western estimates.

On aircraft, the number of modern aircraft (excluding SU-24 & 25 and Mig 29/31) at the start of the war were:
SU-34: 144, SU-35: 110, Mig-35/SU-57: 10, SU-30: 110 SU-27: 100 = 475 Aircraft.

Assuming 100 of these lost, or irrecoverably damaged and an availability of 2/3, for the remaining, the RuAF would barely be able to deploy 250
modern aircraft on any day, which will reduce to under 200 by the end of 2023 (after adding fresh production).

My view based on this:
- Russia can only carry out a limited expansion of its army, as they do not have the corresponding numbers of artillery, ammo & air support.
- If they do not win by 2023, NATO production will ramp up and outproduce Russia, which will fight a battle of attrition it cannot win.
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A LOT of work @Deans. Thanks!!

Any such analysis on "missile"?
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Deans wrote: - If they do not win by 2023, NATO production will ramp up and outproduce Russia, which will fight a battle of attrition it cannot win.
China has a lot to lose if US wins this war. I know, whether China will help is not a cold headed maths calculation like you did for ammo, do you think it can supply Russia ?
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that was excellent sum up Deans, thanks!
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