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Some Western governments were willing to write of the rapes of their daughters by Muslims, why would they provoke demonstrably violent fanatics for the sake of some Hindus?
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Punjabi diaspora fomenting trouble in Punjab of India feel the heat & their reach curtailed after Indian govt blocks notorious Punjabi handles from Canada in particular including that of Jagmeet Singh: they are calling Modi fascist & want Elon Musk to teach Modi a lesson
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -elon-musk
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -elon-musk
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I am against censorship. But it is not quite as bad as the killing of the BJP Hindu critic recently.
The mazabhis and oppressed Hindus need to find their voice as well.
Sweden has done the right thing in upholding the right to burn certain books. Please feel free to burn my holy book-that god is not jealous or vengeful.
At any rate it is all rather silly.
The mazabhis and oppressed Hindus need to find their voice as well.
Sweden has done the right thing in upholding the right to burn certain books. Please feel free to burn my holy book-that god is not jealous or vengeful.
At any rate it is all rather silly.
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The hypocrisy & double standards of the left/liberal side is beyond belief. they are so up themselves with self-rightousness.IndraD wrote:Punjabi diaspora fomenting trouble in Punjab of India feel the heat & their reach curtailed after Indian govt blocks notorious Punjabi handles from Canada in particular including that of Jagmeet Singh: they are calling Modi fascist & want Elon Musk to teach Modi a lesson
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... -elon-musk
The al-guardian has a entire section devoted to Twitter. It is quite obvious that if they dislike you, then banning is fine. It doesn't work the other way around.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/twitter
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The aap govt, in punjab will not catch amrutpol or even allow him to surrender
The financial blowback from the aap's BIF backers may be too much to handle for khujliwal.
they want Modi to "catch" as well take the blame for incarcerating amrutpol and use that as the reason to leverage some more hype for the elections as violent public disturbances are bound to follow as the BIF ramps up the mayhem in the north in the run up to the elections. The jehadis are waiting eagerly to follow suit as are many sickular political parties.
The financial blowback from the aap's BIF backers may be too much to handle for khujliwal.
they want Modi to "catch" as well take the blame for incarcerating amrutpol and use that as the reason to leverage some more hype for the elections as violent public disturbances are bound to follow as the BIF ramps up the mayhem in the north in the run up to the elections. The jehadis are waiting eagerly to follow suit as are many sickular political parties.
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Last I'd heard, ArmpitBaal has already fled India and is hiding in Nepal. I don't know where he'd go from there, as he'd need to travel by air.chetak wrote:The aap govt, in punjab will not catch amrutpol or even allow him to surrender
The financial blowback from the aap's BIF backers may be too much to handle for khujliwal.
they want Modi to "catch" as well take the blame for incarcerating amrutpol and use that as the reason to leverage some more hype for the elections as violent public disturbances are bound to follow as the BIF ramps up the mayhem in the north in the run up to the elections. The jehadis are waiting eagerly to follow suit as are many sickular political parties.
I don't think he'd ever dare cross into China.
But ArmpitBaal has no real worth or relevance when not on the scene in Punjab. He might as well go back to Dubai from whence he came, for all the difference it makes.
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khalistanis have both cheeni and paki funding.sanman wrote:Last I'd heard, ArmpitBaal has already fled India and is hiding in Nepal. I don't know where he'd go from there, as he'd need to travel by air.chetak wrote:The aap govt, in punjab will not catch amrutpol or even allow him to surrender
The financial blowback from the aap's BIF backers may be too much to handle for khujliwal.
they want Modi to "catch" as well take the blame for incarcerating amrutpol and use that as the reason to leverage some more hype for the elections as violent public disturbances are bound to follow as the BIF ramps up the mayhem in the north in the run up to the elections. The jehadis are waiting eagerly to follow suit as are many sickular political parties.
I don't think he'd ever dare cross into China.
But ArmpitBaal has no real worth or relevance when not on the scene in Punjab. He might as well go back to Dubai from whence he came, for all the difference it makes.
this guy could go to either destination, if so inclined.
but out of Indian punjab, the guy is less than useless, in terms of propaganda or ideological value
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Despite claims of master stroke, the whole Khalistani movement has gotten an enormous boost from the so called farmer agitation. A years worth of treating them with kid gloves meant they figure GoI is running scared while GoP is in their pocket anyway…
There will be a new Amritpal found and my prediction is that a new hot button issue will be found to do another blockade or Shaheenbag a few months before elections. Covering fire will be from usual leftists with CAP provided by Hizzonners… GoI has not found a counter for these tactics so far.
There will be a new Amritpal found and my prediction is that a new hot button issue will be found to do another blockade or Shaheenbag a few months before elections. Covering fire will be from usual leftists with CAP provided by Hizzonners… GoI has not found a counter for these tactics so far.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vid ... s?from=mdr
he was supposed to surrender yesterday
All Punjab police leaves cancelled just in case https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/punjab- ... es-3927962
he was supposed to surrender yesterday
All Punjab police leaves cancelled just in case https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/punjab- ... es-3927962
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office hours in Punjab from 7.30 am to 2.00 pm like gelf countries from 2 may
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saar,Tanaji wrote:Despite claims of master stroke, the whole Khalistani movement has gotten an enormous boost from the so called farmer agitation. A years worth of treating them with kid gloves meant they figure GoI is running scared while GoP is in their pocket anyway…
There will be a new Amritpal found and my prediction is that a new hot button issue will be found to do another blockade or Shaheenbag a few months before elections. Covering fire will be from usual leftists with CAP provided by Hizzonners… GoI has not found a counter for these tactics so far.
also, the last time around, the two pillars played out their woke designated roles by slyly encouraging the agitators, and at the same time, tying down the hands of the govt by insinuations and implied threats of violence, and resulting anarchy that would be condemned on the international arena...
These techniques have since been refined and validated
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You're extremely naive -- Khalistanis had pre-positioned themselves for the Farmer agitation, which they knew they could milk for Khalistan purposes. They had been circulating their toolkit in preparation for this.Tanaji wrote:Despite claims of master stroke, the whole Khalistani movement has gotten an enormous boost from the so called farmer agitation. A years worth of treating them with kid gloves meant they figure GoI is running scared while GoP is in their pocket anyway…
You obviously don't understand what really happened. Khalistanis had been building up momentum for their "Referendum 2020" campaign, but that got completely derailed by COVID. So they kept waiting, and when the Farm Bills came along, then they pounced.
I don't know where you're injecting your "master stroke" phrasing from -- just straw man partisan rhetoric from you.
The Farm reform bills were an excellent idea. I'm extremely disappointed that Modi govt didn't try to re-introduce them in a state-by-state way.
SC should be warned that judicial activism will only provoke legislative activism, especially against judicial corruption. Supreme Court's job is not to be a policymaker, much less a kingmaker.There will be a new Amritpal found and my prediction is that a new hot button issue will be found to do another blockade or Shaheenbag a few months before elections. Covering fire will be from usual leftists with CAP provided by Hizzonners… GoI has not found a counter for these tactics so far.
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You are not getting what I said: I am saying is that the Khalistanis have been emboldened due to lack of action for a year when the GoI allowed them to block a key NH to the capital. Whether they hijacked a farmers agitation or are the ones that created it is immaterial, the net result is that the Khalistanis feel emboldened after the lack of action.
The farm laws are a red herring. They would have been opposed regardless as the Khalistanis opposition is to Modi and not his policies. Their aim was to show they humbled the Hindu GoI (their perception) and in that they succeeded.
The “master stroke” phrasing comes from the tendencies to spin any mistakes of BJP as chanakyan master stroke that is incomprehensible to lay mortals. Modiji’s government is not super human and will make mistakes and they should be called out despite however one may support it. To be fair, this was an impossible test, but then such tests are part of the territory when one wants to govern India.
There is blowback from this lack of action, probably a more refined and wider version of the agitation. GoI has yet to come up with a counter for such types, Shaheenbagh included.
The farm laws are a red herring. They would have been opposed regardless as the Khalistanis opposition is to Modi and not his policies. Their aim was to show they humbled the Hindu GoI (their perception) and in that they succeeded.
The “master stroke” phrasing comes from the tendencies to spin any mistakes of BJP as chanakyan master stroke that is incomprehensible to lay mortals. Modiji’s government is not super human and will make mistakes and they should be called out despite however one may support it. To be fair, this was an impossible test, but then such tests are part of the territory when one wants to govern India.
There is blowback from this lack of action, probably a more refined and wider version of the agitation. GoI has yet to come up with a counter for such types, Shaheenbagh included.
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The last time it happened, the BIF's timing was picked to perfection with the visit of the US president's visit and all the financing, logistics and resources were in place without anyone being the wiser.Tanaji wrote: You are not getting what I said: I am saying is that the Khalistanis have been emboldened due to lack of action for a year when the GoI allowed them to block a key NH to the capital.
The “master stroke” phrasing comes from the tendencies to spin any mistakes of BJP as chanakyan master stroke that is incomprehensible to lay mortals. Modiji’s government is not super human and will make mistakes and they should be called out despite however one may support it. To be fair, this was an impossible test, but then such tests are part of the territory when one wants to govern India.
There is blowback from this lack of action, probably a more refined and wider version of the agitation. GoI has yet to come up with a counter for such types, Shaheenbagh included.
Even the intel (int and ext) guys were caught flatfooted and many of their heads should have rolled.
The govt has since learned and also ramped up surveillance, some of those arrested are not in the public domain and they would have been squeezed dry and many a pretty tune would have emerged from such chidiyas.
Now a stringent financial monitoring process is also in place, that is not to say that this is a foolproof system but to a large extent, it is able to discover and track incoming funds and also the diversion of funds from one pocket to another.
Humint is needed and that is what they are keen to develop and deploy
This strict financial monitoring is the reason for the stupendous increase in gold, drugs, and arms smuggling and it is also why the wagah border remains closed as are the trade routes between cashmere and POK.
There is no blowback of the magnitude that you are hinting at. The khalistanis are in a tight spot with almost immediate repercussions of visa denials and OCI cancellations of those found active in the separatist efforts. The narrative has changed and these measures are applicable to extended family too. The GoI will exercise it's sovereign rights where it is necessary to make an example
what the GoI says that it will do now is actually being done for quite some time.
The gora govts are feeling the pain of their so called "freedom to agitate" that they freely extended to the anti India forces.
One is given to understand that a considerable amount of (mainly) agricultural lands in punjab is benami with the actual owners sitting abroad and the separatist turds don't want to lose that.
Another big fallout in punjab and other states is the effect of digital transactions, aadhar identities, PAN and jandhan accounts getting interlinked that has happened, in spite of the "farm laws" being withdrawn.
almost every hand that touches the money trail from sale to bank is clearly visible and if the hand escapes visibility for a short period of time, it emerges in all its financially naked glory in some unrelated transaction some ways down the road.
In spite of the khalistanis having a hold over two "state" govts, things are quiet, both in dilli and in punjab with no roads getting blocked by crowds of "supporters". Crowds are always photographed (standard practice in all states now, and also multiple state and central agencies have legal access this data) and once again again mundane things like visas, police clearances for passport, and govt jobs etc, even bank loans et al are likely to get affected adversely.
Measures are in place and MAD will not be flatfooted again
A lot of the shaheenbagh actors are already in the bag with stringent charges against them.
the true aukat of the aap was shown when the center cancelled the hundreds of gifts of land and buildings given to the wakf by khujliwal and his khas pals are chakki peasing in tihar
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This is a truly informative post. Just the facts ma’am.
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Chetak-ji good post. Yes you are right, the financial gonads are being squeezed so we are unlikely to see a long drawn out agitation such as the farmers protest as it takes serious money to sustain it.
However a short Shaheenbagh accompanied by directed violence designed to inflame cannot be ruled out. But then this becomes a run of the mill agitation. Here is hoping what you say comes true!
However a short Shaheenbagh accompanied by directed violence designed to inflame cannot be ruled out. But then this becomes a run of the mill agitation. Here is hoping what you say comes true!
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Tanaji saar,Tanaji wrote:Chetak-ji good post. Yes you are right, the financial gonads are being squeezed so we are unlikely to see a long drawn out agitation such as the farmers protest as it takes serious money to sustain it.
However a short Shaheenbagh accompanied by directed violence designed to inflame cannot be ruled out. But then this becomes a run of the mill agitation. Here is hoping what you say comes true!
You are right.
They will find a way to inflame a situation that they will purposely precipitate and outfits like soreass have already declared their support with concomitant resources.
2024 is a make or break year for these guys so that is the real target. the khalis are just the smoke and mirrors as their efforts are disjointed, hopelessly decentralized and without credible leadership, disorganized, and more inclined to be disruptive, for the visual effects they are hoping to create, to damage Modi's public image.
It was the center that quietly pushed whisky mann to move against amrotpol but is now keeping its distance letting mann paint a target on his own back
the real strike may come closer to the general elections
Modi's stance on UKR, as also the sanctions by the US, is "disruptive of a rules based global order" and that is something that the goras will neither forgive nor accept from India.
Big gora businesses are also involved now with the BIF. A massively huge market is being democratized by Modi and small retailers are also being included in this hitherto closed market that was once a exclusive ecosystem serving only the big boys
The ONDC can really make their lives miserable by creating an ecosystem that is beyond their control and Modi is going to bring it in.
The stakes are ginormous and the rewards will exceed the GDP of many midsized countries so walmart, bezos and other cheeni like players and their ilk will not accept it and will fight to dethrone the Modi govt.
Pilot ONDC projects are already out in some cities
This has the huge potential to hit the big boys directly in their testimonials
https://ondc.org/blog/understanding-ondc/
Currently, digital markets are closed and platform-centric wherein buyers and sellers need to be on the same platform to carry out a transaction. The current model of e-commerce stifles innovation, creates significant barriers to entry for new players, and creates a gap between online demand and the local retail ecosystem. As a result participation in e-commerce is well below its potential and has a tremendous opportunity to grow manifold.
ONDC, on the other hand, does not require that buyer and seller must use the same platform/application to do a business transaction. Instead, it is a network-centric model where, so long as platforms/applications are connected to this open network, buyers and sellers can transact irrespective of the platforms/applications they use. Its like the “UPI of e-commerce”.
Existing Platform Centric Model
ONDC's Network Centric Model
https://ondc.org/blog/how-ondc-seeks-to ... -commerce/What does the ONDC aim to achieve?
The Unified Payment Interface (UPI) has disrupted the digital payments domain. ONDC seeks to achieve something similar for e-commerce. It aims to “democratize" digital commerce, moving it away from platform-centric models like Amazon and Flipkart to an open network. ONDC may enable more sellers to be digitally visible. The transactions will be executed through an open network. According to people in the know, the system may empower merchants and consumers by breaking the silos that exist today. It will eventually touch every business, from retail goods and food to mobility.
How would ONDC work?
The network makes it easier for a small retailers to be discovered. Once a retailer lists its products or services using the ONDC’s open protocol, the business can be discovered by consumers on e-commerce platforms that follow the same protocol. A consumer searching for the product can see the location of the seller and opt to buy from the neighborhood shop that can deliver faster compared to an e-commerce company. This may promote hyperlocal delivery of goods such as groceries, directly from sellers to consumers.
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Khalistanis are opposed to India itself - Modi is just their pretext. After all, what has Modi done to antagonize Khalistanis?Tanaji wrote:You are not getting what I said: I am saying is that the Khalistanis have been emboldened due to lack of action for a year when the GoI allowed them to block a key NH to the capital. Whether they hijacked a farmers agitation or are the ones that created it is immaterial, the net result is that the Khalistanis feel emboldened after the lack of action.
The farm laws are a red herring. They would have been opposed regardless as the Khalistanis opposition is to Modi and not his policies. Their aim was to show they humbled the Hindu GoI (their perception) and in that they succeeded.
Khalistanis parrot the same Modi-bashing propaganda that they've learned from Indian Leftists, from Urban Naxals, from Indian Muslims, from Pakistanis.
I only see "master stroke" being used sarcastically by Modi-haters. I don't really see this phrase being used by govt. As usual, the haters pile on propaganda far more than any actual real incidents.The “master stroke” phrasing comes from the tendencies to spin any mistakes of BJP as chanakyan master stroke that is incomprehensible to lay mortals. Modiji’s government is not super human and will make mistakes and they should be called out despite however one may support it. To be fair, this was an impossible test, but then such tests are part of the territory when one wants to govern India.
You want push-button solution. You want to ring a bell, and have someone just make the problem go away. If you have any ideas -- and I mean concrete specific plan of action -- then feel free to tell everyone.There is blowback from this lack of action, probably a more refined and wider version of the agitation. GoI has yet to come up with a counter for such types, Shaheenbagh included.
Khalistanis are all living abroad. Amritpal had grown up in Dubai, and suddenly grown a beard, put on a turban, returned to India, and started talking Khalistan. Rest of the overseas Khalistanis will jump on any pretext to start hollering against India. What do you want Indian govt to do against those on foreign soil, on the other side of an ocean?
Orthodox Sikhs living abroad are a much more closed community, whose main social contact is through gurdwaras, and gurdwaras are where they get radicalized. There are increasingly radical preachers at gurdwaras.
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It’s called ghettoisation.
Low education low skills low paying jobs. Low social capital. Inadequate language skills. Crime drugs gangs. Living in segregated areas.
Whites Hindus way ahead of the group. Self- loathing needs redirection. Hence it is India’s fault.
I expect Britain to publish a ghettoisation index of its communities.
And no, it’s not always racism or islamophobia or antisemitism.
That Arab news article on anti Muslim prejudice in Britain is meaningless. What are the rates for bias against Travellers Catholics Scotch Hindus French east londoners??
Low education low skills low paying jobs. Low social capital. Inadequate language skills. Crime drugs gangs. Living in segregated areas.
Whites Hindus way ahead of the group. Self- loathing needs redirection. Hence it is India’s fault.
I expect Britain to publish a ghettoisation index of its communities.
And no, it’s not always racism or islamophobia or antisemitism.
That Arab news article on anti Muslim prejudice in Britain is meaningless. What are the rates for bias against Travellers Catholics Scotch Hindus French east londoners??
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And yet ArmpitBaal wasn't ghettoized -- he'd grown up living in Dubai, had no turban or beard, and was sending pictures of himself in his underwear to female strangers on WhatsApp. He then suddenly decided to get beard & turban, moved to Amritsar, and started preaching for Khalistan.
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Sanman, tone down on the posts. Please say your points without put downs of a fellow poster. We are all on same side.
Core Dubai is a large ghetto covered by glass. Outlying Dubai and Sharjah is good old fashioned ghetto, if you visit labor camps and low income housing. They don’t allow organic shanty towns due to H&D reasons, so a lot of these are hidden. A lot of radicalisation in Kerala is from these ghettos where folks of same community stay 15 to a room or three non-related families under same roof etc.sanman wrote:And yet ArmpitBaal wasn't ghettoized -- he'd grown up living in Dubai
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https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/how-r ... 2.html/amp
How reductive oversimplification of Varna system drives Hinduphobia in US, Canada
Despite holding important positions, Hindus retain little political power in western nations and people of Indian origin often play up the British atrocity literature tropes to better fit in
How reductive oversimplification of Varna system drives Hinduphobia in US, Canada
Despite holding important positions, Hindus retain little political power in western nations and people of Indian origin often play up the British atrocity literature tropes to better fit in
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Sanjay and Sanman, One phenomenon noted in elite Hydrabadi Muslims before Independence is they would be in suit-boot style in London, and as soon as they land in Hyderabad dress in sherwani and red fez with black strings like Turkish Ottoman fez. It's sort of remorse at being Westernized.
So it's possible AP Singh is of the same genre.
So it's possible AP Singh is of the same genre.
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No need for any use of the brain. He was paid to do what he had to do. Coward ran away like a dog when the police started to take action.
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No adhominems please. He may well respond to you in turn and that takes the quality of discussions down. Address the gist of the argument, not fight the person.sanman wrote:You're extremely naive --
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California Congresswoman Aisha Wahab tweets the following:
https://twitter.com/aishabbwahab/status ... 2681106433
https://twitter.com/aishabbwahab/status ... 2681106433
Met a large coalition of Indian Americans in Fremont wanting to discuss SB403! We heard their thoughts, concerns, and answered questions. I’m meeting with more and more individuals on this historic bill. SB403 will prohibit the discrimination based on caste.
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Once I was entertaining a couple of Sikh families. One was a Mazhabi Sikh named Kasab, well educated suave and polished. When introduced by name to a Sidhu jat woman, the jat immediately says ‘Kasab te chure hoonde aa.’
Yeah right, sitting in a Brahmin’s house. Lage raho.
Yeah right, sitting in a Brahmin’s house. Lage raho.
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Sikhs meeting a muslim politician about caste, what can go wrong.
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Hindus need to insist on legislation to ban discrimination against non-believers. That will set the cat among Abrahamic pigeons. Nothing is more sinful to them than treating believers and non-believers as equals.
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@sanjaykumar are you resident in Canada? I have visited many times, Vancouver twice & Ontario may other times, I live in London. I can honestly tell you my experience of the khalistan mob is not a pleasant one. The only time in my life I have ever seen a real sword fight was outside of a Gurudwara in Toronto.sanjaykumar wrote:Once I was entertaining a couple of Sikh families. One was a Mazhabi Sikh named Kasab, well educated suave and polished. When introduced by name to a Sidhu jat woman, the jat immediately says ‘Kasab te chure hoonde aa.’
Yeah right, sitting in a Brahmin’s house. Lage raho.
My take on the entire k'stan issue is that it is a purely caste issue. The Jats are losing power, their wealth, power and influence is tied to the land. Industrialization will mean that they will no longer control the lower castes as they will be working in industry & aquiring skills & education.
Several years ago I visited India again after my last visit in 1984/5. One of the people I met was the pandit in the pind. Ex IAF officer, gave it up to be a full time Pandit. A good friend of my fathers, whose ashes I had gone to immerse @ Haridwar.
Anyway, A bit of background, my family are part Sikh & part Hindu and I suppose we are low caste Sikhs, followers of Guru Ravidass, my family tend to join the Sikh Light Infantry.
Anyway, I went to see the Pandit & he was very friendly & helpful. My relations told me that their major oppressors are the Jat community. They will try to steal land & property from anyone they can.
Same in Canada & USA, NZ & Australia.
Relations with the Ramgharia & various Hindu communities are fine.
This entire khalistan issue can be dealt with if there is an outreach to the 80 % who are not jats.
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Thank your family for their service.
Yes I have posted my thoughts on these matters to the same effect. Any technical or industrial development in panjab is deeply subversive to the panth. Mazab in danger and all, privilege and patronage will be diluted.
I am deeply troubled by the large number of Sikhs in Canada who do not use their caste names. I initially believed it was to express Sikh solidarity. But I have never come across a jat who did not use his caste name.
I guess that’s why Brahmins get up their nose. If you accept you are superior to the mazabhis then you know your place in the historical heirachy. I won’t put it any more bluntly than that.
And this is from someone who has no concern for his own caste. It never conferred any privilege on myself. There were no ancestral riches. Pity.
Yes I have posted my thoughts on these matters to the same effect. Any technical or industrial development in panjab is deeply subversive to the panth. Mazab in danger and all, privilege and patronage will be diluted.
I am deeply troubled by the large number of Sikhs in Canada who do not use their caste names. I initially believed it was to express Sikh solidarity. But I have never come across a jat who did not use his caste name.
I guess that’s why Brahmins get up their nose. If you accept you are superior to the mazabhis then you know your place in the historical heirachy. I won’t put it any more bluntly than that.
And this is from someone who has no concern for his own caste. It never conferred any privilege on myself. There were no ancestral riches. Pity.
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I thank your family for the service to the nation. Whole heartedly agree with you.Haresh wrote:@sanjaykumar are you resident in Canada? I have visited many times, Vancouver twice & Ontario may other times, I live in London. I can honestly tell you my experience of the khalistan mob is not a pleasant one. The only time in my life I have ever seen a real sword fight was outside of a Gurudwara in Toronto.sanjaykumar wrote:Once I was entertaining a couple of Sikh families. One was a Mazhabi Sikh named Kasab, well educated suave and polished. When introduced by name to a Sidhu jat woman, the jat immediately says ‘Kasab te chure hoonde aa.’
Yeah right, sitting in a Brahmin’s house. Lage raho.
My take on the entire k'stan issue is that it is a purely caste issue. The Jats are losing power, their wealth, power and influence is tied to the land. Industrialization will mean that they will no longer control the lower castes as they will be working in industry & aquiring skills & education.
Several years ago I visited India again after my last visit in 1984/5. One of the people I met was the pandit in the pind. Ex IAF officer, gave it up to be a full time Pandit. A good friend of my fathers, whose ashes I had gone to immerse @ Haridwar.
Anyway, A bit of background, my family are part Sikh & part Hindu and I suppose we are low caste Sikhs, followers of Guru Ravidass, my family tend to join the Sikh Light Infantry.
Anyway, I went to see the Pandit & he was very friendly & helpful. My relations told me that their major oppressors are the Jat community. They will try to steal land & property from anyone they can.
Same in Canada & USA, NZ & Australia.
Relations with the Ramgharia & various Hindu communities are fine.
This entire khalistan issue can be dealt with if there is an outreach to the 80 % who are not jats.
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We need an outreach to all Sikhs. But before that Kejriwal needs to be behind the bars. He is wittingly or unwittingly has become pawn in the hands of Khalistanis based in US/Canada/UK
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Anyway, A bit of background, my family are part Sikh & part Hindu and I suppose we are low caste Sikhs, followers of Guru Ravidass, my family tend to join the Sikh Light Infantry.
Haresh, I am not really familiar with guru Ravidas, my education has been deficient in many areas outside my own fields. I will get around to him.
I have only recently been introduced to Kabirdas as I did not do my schooling in northern India (perhaps the South also exposes school children to Kabirdas). I came across Jubin Nautiyal singing his dohe.
What can I say?
A few of his dohe make more sense to me than all the Abrahamic scriptures put together. Chaucer, Kabir's contemporary, never spoke to me; why does this man? It's like I know him, he never died.
Haresh, I am not really familiar with guru Ravidas, my education has been deficient in many areas outside my own fields. I will get around to him.
I have only recently been introduced to Kabirdas as I did not do my schooling in northern India (perhaps the South also exposes school children to Kabirdas). I came across Jubin Nautiyal singing his dohe.
What can I say?
A few of his dohe make more sense to me than all the Abrahamic scriptures put together. Chaucer, Kabir's contemporary, never spoke to me; why does this man? It's like I know him, he never died.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
The leading cause of this feeling of superiority for Jatt Sikhs today is the Martial class rubbish. Plus this rubbish, we say that they are the "protector" of our nation. We give too much respect to them than they deserve.
We do not even have a single regiment in our armed forces with names related to AP, TG or Karnataka. Same with other areas. Why not? We continue the same thing which Britshits.
All this has gone into the head of the community as a whole.
We do not even have a single regiment in our armed forces with names related to AP, TG or Karnataka. Same with other areas. Why not? We continue the same thing which Britshits.
All this has gone into the head of the community as a whole.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Coming back to my visit to India in 2018. I was taken around the village by my cousins and like most Indian villages it is separated on caste lines. I discussed with my cousin what the caste situation is and what they said was that they avoid the Jatt area.
He was very surprised when I told him that in England all the castes tend to celebrate Diwali & other festivals together. Very surprised.
I think we should do what works even if it is borrowing from others. One of the things that christian priests do is they will tour their parish. It would be a really good idea if the pandits started doing this. They need to be more proactive.
In fact I think this should be done in our communities in the west as well.
My work environment is quite interesting, I used to work with a couple of Guju guys, both Brahmin chaps and we used to talk about these sorts of issues quite openly. As long as it is done politely and respectfully then views can be exchanged.
The East African Indians are quite interesting. The Sikhs are mainly Ramgariha and the rest a selection of Hindu & moslems, they have no tolerance for this Khalistan business. Even the moslems are mainly Shia/Ismailia. They are very clubby.
I think the various Indian orgs really need to reach out to each other.
Caste is becoming irrelevant. One of my Guju friends whose name is strangely Modhi told me that in the old days parents would insist on marriage within the "community" now they are just grateful if they marry someone of Indian origin. Mixed marriages are increasingly common. Punjab/Guju/Marathi etc
He was very surprised when I told him that in England all the castes tend to celebrate Diwali & other festivals together. Very surprised.
I think we should do what works even if it is borrowing from others. One of the things that christian priests do is they will tour their parish. It would be a really good idea if the pandits started doing this. They need to be more proactive.
In fact I think this should be done in our communities in the west as well.
My work environment is quite interesting, I used to work with a couple of Guju guys, both Brahmin chaps and we used to talk about these sorts of issues quite openly. As long as it is done politely and respectfully then views can be exchanged.
The East African Indians are quite interesting. The Sikhs are mainly Ramgariha and the rest a selection of Hindu & moslems, they have no tolerance for this Khalistan business. Even the moslems are mainly Shia/Ismailia. They are very clubby.
I think the various Indian orgs really need to reach out to each other.
Caste is becoming irrelevant. One of my Guju friends whose name is strangely Modhi told me that in the old days parents would insist on marriage within the "community" now they are just grateful if they marry someone of Indian origin. Mixed marriages are increasingly common. Punjab/Guju/Marathi etc
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Any wholesaler, trader, commodity house, processor, interested in buying #chilli #(green/red)in bulk, direct from #Punjab #Ferozepur farmers, please D.M me !!
@Sandhwan
https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/statu ... 43520?s=20
he was at forefront in opposing Farmers bill
@Sandhwan
https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/statu ... 43520?s=20
he was at forefront in opposing Farmers bill
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Just reading the comments, he is being called out for his hypocrisy, which is good.IndraD wrote:Any wholesaler, trader, commodity house, processor, interested in buying #chilli #(green/red)in bulk, direct from #Punjab #Ferozepur farmers, please D.M me !!
@Sandhwan
https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/statu ... 43520?s=20
he was at forefront in opposing Farmers bill
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Woman denied entry to Golden Temple because she had a India flag painted on her face! The man who denied her entry into Golden Temple said this is Punjab, not India
https://twitter.com/JIX5A/status/164775 ... 16513?s=20
sgpc clarifies says flag didn't have ashok chakra (on girls face) hence entry denied https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 417125442/
https://twitter.com/JIX5A/status/164775 ... 16513?s=20
sgpc clarifies says flag didn't have ashok chakra (on girls face) hence entry denied https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 417125442/