Terroristan - March 31, 2022

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Meanwhile the bill limiting the power of SC chief justice has become law. The SC disagrees. Looks like it is popcorn time.
Amid SC freeze, bill clipping CJ’s power becomes law
ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court (Practice and Procedure) Act 2023, which sought to reduce the chief justice of Pakistan’s powers to take suo motu action and constitute benches, became law on Friday, despite the top court’s orders to stop its enforcement.

The National Assembly’s official Twitter account made the announcement. “Supreme Court (Practice and Procedure) Act, 2023 of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) is deemed to have been assented by the president w.e.f., 21 April 2023, under Clause (2) of Article 75 of the Constitution”.
It is pertinent to note that President Dr Arif Alvi had returned the bill unsigned to parliament, twice.

The apex court itself “pre-emptively” stopped the enforcement of a bill that sought to clip the powers of the chief justice to initiate suo motu proceedings or form benches.

The court ruled that whether the bill received the president’s assent or it was deemed to have been given, "the act that comes into being shall not have, take or be given any effect (and) not be acted upon in any manner”.


Through the Act, the federal government limited the CJP’s powers to take suo motu notice as well as powers to constitute benches on his own in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to order elections in Punjab and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa within 90 days of their dissolution, among other such decisions.
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Crisis deep enough to attract military takeover, Abbasi warns
Former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has warned that the current economic and political crisis has all the makings of attracting a military takeover, adding that the army intervened in the past in much less severe circumstances as he urged the top stakeholders to initiate a dialogue.

Speaking on Dawn News English show ‘Spotlight’, the PML-N leader made it clear that martial law always remained a possibility if the system failed or when there was a conflict between institutions and the political leadership was unable to chart a way forward.

“Pakistan has had many long periods of martial law in very similar situations,” he said. “In fact, I would say Pakistan has never witnessed a [more] severe economic and political situation before. In much less severe circumstances the military has taken over.”

Abbasi warned of anarchy if friction within the society and institutions became too deep, adding that such a situation could also see the army step in.
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Just mind-boggling even for long-term TSP watchers like those in BRf. Lame-duck government, fight with judiciary, COAS against former PM & former ISI Chief (with the latter two colluding), meddling by a former COAS, completely collapsed economy with no possibility of recovery, a politically-divided army, huge phenomenal external debts, a dismissed PM on a violent prowl, a resurgent TTP attacking the state from within, looming food shortage, not much help from ummah friends or iron brother, no help from the IMF . . . phew. The situation is far worse than in Afghanistan. Mash’a Alla’h.
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And jernails who can't hold back the reality post retiring. And revealing their islamiyat...

TOI - ‘We are incapable to fight India’, claims Pak journo quoting Gen Bajwa; video viral
In a recent discussion on Pakistani news channel 24 News HD, popular Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir has made several sensational claims about former army chief Qamar Javed Bajwa and the dire situation of the Pakistan army.

“We are not capable of any fight with India over Kashmir. Our tanks have no fuel to run, our troops can’t move, hence we should make peace with India,” Mir quoted Bajwa as saying.
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8+ Policeman sent to their maker. And many hurt. More could see their maker.
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Jay wrote: No Sanman ji, TTP like methods don't work with Pakis and we should not cower behind TTP like methods as well. Those days should be gone and we need to transition. It needs to be a frontal/direct response and everyone should know this is India's response. We need to start growing confidence in direct confrontation and addressing the aftermath, even if it's messy and stop hiding behind plausible deniability.
But Pakistan has done this Poonch attack with precisely the aim of provoking Indian surgical strikes or direct frontal action from us.

Pakistan is wallowing in internal dissension and heading towards implosion, and so their go-to tactic in such desperate circumstances is to provoke India, so that they can use Indian military response to rally unity against "Big Bad India"

Do we really want to play their game on their terms?

We need to hit them hard, but using the right methods which do not shore them up.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2413373/at ... ce-station
At least 12 dead in suicide bombing at Swat police station
53 people were also injured after two consecutive blasts occurred at CTD building in Kabal area
Our Correspondent, April 24, 2023

SWAT: At least 12 people were martyred and 53 others injured on Monday after a suicide bombing took place at a Counter Terrorism Department (CTD) police station in Kabal area of Swat district.
According to police, unidentified assailants started firing during which a suicide bombing took place and a second massive explosion occurred within seconds as a result of which houses were damaged up to an area of ​​two km.
The building of the police station has been completely destroyed due to the blasts, the police added.
Police said an emergency has been declared in Saidu Sharif Hospital where injured were being shifted.
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Gautam
Also:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1749046/8-cop ... ce-station
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sanman wrote:
Jay wrote: No Sanman ji, TTP like methods don't work with Pakis and we should not cower behind TTP like methods as well. Those days should be gone and we need to transition. It needs to be a frontal/direct response and everyone should know this is India's response. We need to start growing confidence in direct confrontation and addressing the aftermath, even if it's messy and stop hiding behind plausible deniability.
But Pakistan has done this Poonch attack with precisely the aim of provoking Indian surgical strikes or direct frontal action from us.

Pakistan is wallowing in internal dissension and heading towards implosion, and so their go-to tactic in such desperate circumstances is to provoke India, so that they can use Indian military response to rally unity against "Big Bad India"

Do we really want to play their game on their terms?

We need to hit them hard, but using the right methods which do not shore them up.
soo sai bumpers at ISI HQ should be available dime a dozen , a surgical strike at the right moment can shore up elections
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sanman wrote: But Pakistan has done this Poonch attack with precisely the aim of provoking Indian surgical strikes or direct frontal action from us.
On what basis have we come to this conclusion? Is this a different conclusion from what they wanted to achieve from Pulwama?
Pakistan is wallowing in internal dissension and heading towards implosion, and so their go-to tactic in such desperate circumstances is to provoke India, so that they can use Indian military response to rally unity against "Big Bad India"
What's happening to them is and should be of no concern to us in this angle. Our concern should purely be the safety on Indians and sovereignty of our land and resources. They can rally, unite, cry however they want and it's up to them. This should not dissuade our response, especially after an attack where Indian lives are lost. It's supremely illogical and counter productive to the narrative and the future we want to have. Pakis, are on the decline and every time their society goes through a crisis, we should not be expected to be a punching bag to relieve pressure of them.
Do we really want to play their game on their terms?
Absolutely and we will and should vie for finishing this game.
We need to hit them hard, but using the right methods which do not shore them up.
This "log kya kahange" attitude should be shunned as this has not worked for the past 70 years and will not work. The only thing Pakis learn is from disproportionate response and nothing else. The proof is in the pudding. If we go back to "covert attacks", the won't be a lesson to be learnt for the Pakis and I guarantee that we will be back to square one in no time.
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drnayar wrote:a surgical strike at the right moment can shore up elections
Exactly nayarji. Never let go of an presented opportunity.
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saip wrote:8+ Policeman sent to their maker. And many hurt. More could see their maker.
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pakis are calling it a Pindi Chana Expansion
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Blast at Swat police station claims 12 lives
SWAT / LAKKI MARWAT: At least a dozen people, including police officials, lost their lives in a powerful explosion inside the Kabal police station late on Monday evening.

According to hospital sources, at least 57 people — including three civilians — sustained injuries in the blast.

The explosion that rocked the police station, which reportedly occurred on the premises of the Counter Terrorism Department office, came hours after a raid by the CTD in Lakki Marwat resulted in the killing of three suspected militants.
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Lakki Marwat brings back nostalgia of a bygone era. Hope it returns.
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Is it just me or does it look like Pakistan underreports casualties in such terror attacks especially when the target is LEA? Because the number of dead feels low when you look at the details of the attack.

Usually it's like this:

Attack details: 10 terrorists attack a police compound, multiple explosions heard, fierce gun battle reported, multi day siege.
Headline: "4 security personnel martyred in the attack"

Even in yesterday's Swat attack on the police station, it's being reported that 3 buildings collapsed and houses as far as 2 km from the attack location felt the shock waves from the explosions and also gun battle took place apparently YET only 12 policemen died?
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Army chief embarks on crucial China visit
With the recent rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran brokered by China, Pakistan is keen to take advantage of the new alignments.

Pakistan has in recent months tried to woo the US but there is a growing sense in Islamabad that the country may eventually have to look towards China to advance its economic and strategic interests.

One of the reasons is that there has been despondency in Pakistan about the US that it didn't help secure the IMF bailout. There is also the realisation that Washington would no longer extend any cash dole-outs.

In this situation, China may be the only option for Pakistan.

Observers feel the Chinese leadership would be keen to listen to the new army chief about all these intricate strategic issues.

The security of Chinese nationals and China’s interests in Pakistan would be one of the key talking points during the army chief’s visit.
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SSridhar wrote:Just mind-boggling even for long-term TSP watchers like those in BRf. Lame-duck government, fight with judiciary, COAS against former PM & former ISI Chief (with the latter two colluding), meddling by a former COAS, completely collapsed economy with no possibility of recovery, a politically-divided army, huge phenomenal external debts, a dismissed PM on a violent prowl, a resurgent TTP attacking the state from within, looming food shortage, not much help from ummah friends or iron brother, no help from the IMF . . . phew. The situation is far worse than in Afghanistan. Mash’a Alla’h.
The entire situation could have been summed up in one sentence onlee

"The bois played well."
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Apparently Bajwa in a closed door meeting in 2021 with journalists said Pak army can't fight India :shock: What's more shocking is that this was made public by two journalists who are also casually saying Bajwa like jernails should be court martialed. These two journalists are obviously establishment hacks who have been instructed by the current establishment to make it public and suggest court martial. This is really unprecedented I think. This is another data point confirming a divided army with multiple factions. Army was the lone institution providing some semblance of stability but it looks like cracks are widening and weakening the army. Don't think army can recover from this situation. It's only downhill from here.

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The Chinese engineer blasphemy drama makes sense now. Typical Pakis. But sad that they have no other leverages with the han. With a Kabul government that is hostile to Pakis, Pakis have nothing to offer in the region except for letting the Chinese fishing ships devour the Pakis oceans.
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CalvinH wrote:
The Chinese engineer blasphemy drama makes sense now. Typical Pakis. But sad that they have no other leverages with the han. With a Kabul government that is hostile to Pakis, Pakis have nothing to offer in the region except for letting the Chinese fishing ships devour the Pakis oceans.

ek hath me tel ki shishi.........
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Explosive arms killed over 700 civilians in 2022: report
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan experienced the highest number of civilian casualties due to use of explosive weapons in 2022, says a report by Action on Armed Violence (AOAV), a London-based charity, recording 721 civilian casualties due to use of explosive weapons in 126 incidents in the country.

This marked a 62 per cent increase from 445 civilian casualties recorded across 100 incidents in 2021, says the Explosive Violence Monitor 2022. Moreover, it means the rate of civilian harm per incident increased from 4.5 to 5.7, according to the report which was released on Monday.
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Two soldiers martyred in shootout with terrorists in Khyber District
Two Pakistan Army soldiers embraced martyrdom during a fire exchange with the terrorists in the general area of Tirah, Khyber District, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said Wednesday.

In a statement issued by the military's media wing, the soldiers effectively engaged the terrorists’ location which resulted in the killing of two terrorists while four others got injured.

The statement said that weapons and ammunition were also recovered from the killed terrorists.
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Probably Taliban gave a warning to TSP that Indian diplomats will be under their protection. If TSP had all this influence then why are Taliban giving space to TTP?
‘Taliban consulted Gen Bajwa before reaching out to India’
WASHINGTON: Taliban Fore­ign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi had a detailed meeting with Pakistan’s former army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa before asking India to send back its diplomats and technical staff to Kabul, says a new book on Afghanistan’s de facto rulers.

The Return of the Taliban reveals “the pivotal decisions leading to the Taliban’s seizure of power” and describes “how as rulers they struggle to reconcile pressures for transition with their rigid ideology”, said Marvin G. Weinbaum, the senior scholar of South Asian affairs in Washington.

The book is authored by Hassan Abbas, who teaches international relations at the National Defence University (NDU), Washington, and will be released in the US later this week.
India’s return to Kabul “could not have happened without Pakistan — and Pakistan acted this way because it just might open up prospects of some aid for the Taliban in Afghanistan,” Mr Abbas writes, arguing that Pakistan is as desperate about getting financial support to run Afghanistan as the Taliban themselves.
Discussing why the Taliban are eager to mend ties with India, the book says that “the Taliban desire is simple — international legitimacy and recognition”. Kabul’s new rulers also need “huge external investments … to reconstruct and revive the country” and India has the resources to do so.
To demonstrate Gen Bajwa’s influence in Afghanistan, the book narrates the story of Taliban minister for finance Hidayatullah Badri, who was also known by the name of Gul Agha Ishaqzai, who is said to have suffered at the hands of the Pakistani security apparatus following 9/11.

Later, Mr Muttaqi “personally took him to Gen Bajwa to extend the hand of friendship. Only Mr Bajwa’s favorable nod gave him the opportunity” to become the country’s finance minister, the book claims.

The book also discusses former ISI chief Faiz Hamid’s visit to Kabul soon after the Taliban takeover, claiming that Foreign Office had advised Gen Hamid to stay at the Pakistan embassy in Kabul, “but the overconfident spy chief dismissed it”. Later, at a meeting with Pakistani politicians, including Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, he defended his action saying that US and Chinese intelligence chiefs had also visited Kabul around then.

He was reminded that “he was the only one photographed” and “photographs and video clips of him sipping tea in the Serena Hotel, Kabul, went viral”. The book argues that the “visuals provided evidence of the huge influence” Pakistan had on the Taliban and hurt Pakistan as well as the Taliban.
The book claims that in the early days of the Taliban takeover, Gen Hamid requested the Taliban high command to “offer both Abdullah [Abdullah] and Hamid Karzai some high-sounding positions” but they did not agree to do so.
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chetak wrote:
CalvinH wrote:
The Chinese engineer blasphemy drama makes sense now. Typical Pakis. But sad that they have no other leverages with the han. With a Kabul government that is hostile to Pakis, Pakis have nothing to offer in the region except for letting the Chinese fishing ships devour the Pakis oceans.

ek hath me tel ki shishi.........
The slavish general must be telling his new masters in China how quickly Army responded and evacuated the Chinese national using Fauji chopper. Something they didnt do for the SL national who was lynched. And how security of Chinese nationals is their priority.

....And how they need more choppers and money for this. Not for themselves. But for ensuring security of Chinese nationals.

So the whole blasphemy drama was arranged few days before to set up some background. Just like AQ #3 was produced by Pakis every time a US official come visiting Pak.
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partha wrote:Apparently Bajwa in a closed door meeting in 2021 with journalists said Pak army can't fight India :shock: What's more shocking is that this was made public by two journalists who are also casually saying Bajwa like jernails should be court martialed.

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Bajwa shat during the abhinandan episode on Modi's motivational speech :mrgreen:

these "soldiers" have grown so fat [literally and figuratively ]off their land they cant fight or ....run
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Pakistan is the fortress of Islam and Islam is toxic for India. That is the bottom line. Break up no break up, Pakistan army, etc. Are just sideshows. I would say the core mission of Islam has been carefully preserved and continues on in India. In that sense Pakistan has succeeded.
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@RoyG - you are bang on target and main crux of the issue in simple 2 sentences :)
We have to accept that we do not have solution to it. Especially when other indic sections are also in a way radicalized to support them.

Only after next 30-40 years, when the inevitable will start and India will plunge into utter chaos, it will be real test of Indic societies.
To defeat a monster, another monster will be needed.

This time, those who will drink the poison from samundra manthana will not be revered like Shiva. They will be hated and villainized.
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Ex wants alimony for harmony

Yawn - Pakistan urges US to restore military financing, sales
Pakistan urged the United States on Thursday to restore military financing and sales suspended by the Trump administration as a senior US official acknowledged the importance of this bilateral relationship in a key strategic region.

“It is important that the US restores — for Pakistan — Foreign Military Financing and Foreign Military Sales, suspended by the previous administration,” Masood Khan, Pakistan’s envoy in Washington, said at a seminar in Washington.

US Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Elizabeth Horst, however, focused on the need to help rebuild the troubled Pakistani economy and urged Islamabad to work with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to do so. :mrgreen:

“The reforms that Pakistan and the IMF agreed to are not easy,” she said. “But it’s crucial that Pakistan take these actions to bring the country back to sound financial footing, avoid falling into further debt, and grow Pakistan’s economy.”
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Looks like iron brother agreed to pay some money to TSP.
Pakistan Frees Chinese Citizen on Bail Over Blasphemy Charge
A Chinese citizen accused of blasphemy in Pakistan was released on bail after an anti-terror court ruled that no offense had been committed. {Then why was he arrested?}

The main accuser in the blasphemy case kept changing his statement and bail has been granted until the case is concluded, which may take a few months, according to a police official. The Chinese citizen is the head of the transport department at Dasu power plant that’s currently under construction, and was detained about more than a week ago.

The police had registered a complaint against the Chinese executive, identified as Tian, on the request of local workers and nearby residents for speaking against Islam in an argument. He was not brought to court due to security reasons, according to the Dawn newspaper.
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Ahmadis continue to enjoy the rewards for supporting partition.
Ahmadi lawyer booked, arrested in Karachi for having ‘Syed’ in his name
A senior lawyer from the Ahmadiyya community was booked and arrested on Thursday in Karachi on the complaint of another lawyer over allegation of using “Syed” in his name.

It was the second time in as many years that Advocate Ali Ahmed Tariq had been booked on similar charges.

The first information report (FIR), a copy of which is available with Dawn.com, was filed at City Court Police Station and invokes Section 298-B (misuse of epithets, descriptions, and titles, etc, reserved for certain holy personages or places) of the Pakistan Penal Code

In the FIR, complainant Advocate Mohammed Azhar Khan stated that during an appearance before a district judge he observed that Advocate Tariq had used “Syed” with his name in the affidavit while pleading a case.
City Courts Station House Officer (SHO) Adil Khan told Dawn.com that members of the Ahmadiyya community were not supposed to call themselves Muslims or present themselves as ‘Ahle Bait’ under relevant laws.

He added that Tariq was booked after he “misrepresented himself” as a “Syed” while submitting his affidavit in the court as a lawyer.
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Dilbu wrote:Looks like iron brother agreed to pay some money to TSP.
. . . The main accuser in the blasphemy case kept changing his statement and bail has been granted until the case is concluded
Remember the CIA Agent Raymond Davis case in Lahore? Diyah did the trick. But, for blasphemy, there is no diyah. So, they have to work on the accuser to make him take back the accusation.
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Cash-strapped Pakistan urges US to restore military financing


https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/wor ... 2023-04-29

On Thursday, Pakistan's envoy to US Masood Khan, while addressing a seminar in Washington, said: "It is important that the US restores, for Pakistan, Foreign Military Financing and Foreign Military Sales, suspended by the previous administration."


The half-day conference at Wilson Centre, Washington, highlighted how the US-Pakistan relationship can be rebuilt again against several challenging situations.

While replying to a question, Ambassador Khan said Pakistan placed its first order for Russian oil and it took that decision after consulting with the US government. He further mentioned Pakistan's role in creating stability in Afghanistan.

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"Afghanistan's stability is imperative, first and foremost, for its own people who have suffered grievously over the past four decades," Dawn quoted Khan as saying.
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US will do it after they get more concessions. It will happen.
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Pakistani parents lock daughters' graves to avoid rape.


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In a shocking revelation, parents in Pakistan now guard their dead daughters against rape by putting padlocks to their graves, reported Daily Times.

Reports have revealed that necrophilia cases are on the rise in the country.

That a woman is raped every two hours in a country taking great pride in its family-oriented values has been hammered to the point of repetition in our collective conscience. But the heartwrenching sight of padlocks on the graves of females is enough for the entire society to hang its head in shame and never dare to look at the so-called vessels of honour, read Daily Times editorial.

Harris Sultan, an ex-Muslim atheist activist and the author of the book "The Curse of God, why I left Islam" blamed hardline Islamist ideology for such depraved acts.

"Pakistan has created such a horny, sexually frustrated society that people are now putting padlocks on the graves of their daughters to prevent them from getting raped. When you link the burqa with rape, it follows you to the grave," Sultan tweeted on Wednesday.

This is being done as a desperate bid to ensure the sanctity of dead bodies in case some randy monsters cherrypick them to satiate their lust. Considering the rampant rise in necrophilia, one can't help but understand the urge to protect loved ones, reported Daily Times.

Another Twitter user Sajid Yousaf Shah wrote, "The social environment created by #Pakistan has given rise to a sexually charged and repressed society, where some people have resorted to locking their daughter's graves to protect them from sexual violence. Such a connection between rape and an individual's clothing only leads to a path filled with grief and despair."

Women's bodies were said to have been unearthed and desecrated on several occasions. A necrophilia case was reported in Pakistan in 2011 when a grave keeper named Muhammad Rizwan from North Nazimabad, Karachi was arrested after he confessed to raping 48 female corpses.

According to National Commission for Human Rights, more than 40 per cent of Pakistani women have experienced some form of violence at least once in their lifetime.

Just a few days ago, a scorched body of an 18-year-old suspected to have been killed with an axe was found lying near Indus Highway. In Islamabad, Zahir Jaffer, the poster boy for sexual violence, is trying every trick in the playbook to escape his death sentence, reported Daily Times
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:shock:
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The above is the reason why the practice of "Johar" started in India (remember Rani Padmini and the other women in the palace).

And below is a clue to how the practice of "child marriages" started in India.

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If you want to know how the practice of "throwing babies to the sacred crocodiles in the Ganga" started off, then you just need to study the devastation caused by the opium wars (the opium to destroy China was grown in Bengal).

India has been adapting to adversity in unusual ways.
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And why many North Indian Hindu marriages take place at Night.
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father of DG ISPR Ahmed Sharif is Sultan Bashiruddin Mehmood, nuclear scientist .. one of AQ Khan's peers on US terror sanctions list on charges of nuclear proliferation to al-qaeda and sympathizer of Osama bin laden. :rotfl:
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Rent A Hero: Ertugrul's Entry in Pakistan Day Parade

While I was aware of Ertugrul's fake history I wasn't aware the Turks/Ottomons perfidy wrt to India. They've always sided with the white Europeans over Indians and backstabbed us at every possible turn while subcontinent Muslims have always held them in awe.

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Another fantastic article about izzlamic history in India.

http://www.irenees.net/bdf_fiche-analyse-883_en.html
The question of Muslim identity in the Indian subcontinent may be analysed on the basis of social, religious, and political consciousness. Socially, the Muslim communities of India have never been united as a single cohesive entity. Their religious identity was transformed from a passive state to an active one according to the changing priorities of the ruling classes. They invoked religious sentiments when they fought against Hindu rulers and suppressed them when the shariah hindered their absolute rule. The concept of a Muslim political identity was a product of British rule when the electoral process, the so-called democratic institutions and traditions were introduced. British rule that created a minority complex amongst Indian Muslims and thereby a consciousness of Muslim political identity. After passing through a series of upheavals, the Muslim community shed its minority complex and declared itself a nation, asserting its separateness.

Northern India remained the centre of Muslim power, historically. The class of leading Muslim elites played an active role in determining and affirming Muslim identity according to their economic and political interests. Muslims of the other parts of India followed in their footsteps and looked at issues and problems from the point of view of northern Indian Muslims. We shall look at the changing concepts of Muslim identity in the Indian subcontinent before 1947.

Three elements were amalgamated in the making of Muslim communities in India, namely conquerors who came from the north-west, immigrants, and local converts. The conquerors and their entourage had a sense of higher rank and superiority as it was they who wielded political power. Arab, Persian, Turkish, Central Asian, and Pathan immigrants, who came to India to make careers for themselves, were treated as if they shared a common ethnic background, and were integrated with the conqueror class as the ruling elite. Local converts, on the other hand, were treated as being lower down the social ladder and never accorded an equal place in the ethnically divided Muslim society. Thus, ethnic identity was more powerful in dividing Muslim society than the religious factor was in unifying it.

We can find an example of this in Chachnama, which is a basic source of the history of Sindh. Muslim conquerors of Sindh are referred to in the Chachnama as Arabs. Similarly, the early conquerors of northern India were known by their ethnic identity as Turks. After the foundation of their kingdom (AD 1206) they maintained their exclusive ethnic domination and did not share their power and privileges with other Muslim groups. The same policy was followed by other Muslim dynasties. The founder of the Lodhi dynasty, Bahlul (1451-1489), did not trust non-Afghan Muslims and invited Afghans from the mountains (Roh) to support him.

Locally converted Muslims were excluded from high positions and were despised by their foreign (Muslim) brothers. Ziauddin Barani (fourteenth century) cited a number of examples in the Tarikh-i-Firuzshahi when the Sultan refused to appoint lower caste Muslims to high posts, despite their intelligence, ability, and integrity. Barani propounds his racist theory by advising Muslim rulers to appoint only racially pure family members to high administrative jobs. He suggested that low caste Muslims should not be allowed to acquire higher education as that would make them arrogant. The theory of racial superiority served to reserve the limited available resources of the kingdom for the benefit of the privileged elite who did not want to share them with others. The ruling dynasties kept available resources in the hands of their own communities and excluded others.

The Mughals wrested power from a Muslim dynasty (AD 1526). On their arrival, therefore, they posed a threat to other Muslim rulers as well as to Hindu rulers. The danger of Mughal hegemony united Muslim Afghans and Hindu Rajputs in a common cause. They fought jointly against Babar in the battle of Kanwaha (AD 1527). However, Mughal rule changed the social structure of the Muslim community in India, as a large number Iranaians and Turks arrived in India after the opening of the North-West frontier. These new immigrants revived Iranian and Central Asian culture which had been in a process of decline during Afghan rule. To monopolize top positions in the state, Muslims of foreign origin formed a socially and culturally privilged group that not only excluded locally converted Muslims but also Afghans who were deprived of high status jobs. The Mughals were also very conscious of their fair colour, which distinguished them from the converted, darker complexioned Muslims. Since being a Muslim of foreign origin was considered prestigious, most of the locally converted Muslim families began to trace their origin to famous Arab tribes or to prominent Persian families.

The social structure of the Mughal aristocracy changed further when the empire extended its territories and required more people to administer them. Akbar (AD 1556-1605) as the emperor, realized that to rule the country exclusively with the help of Muslims of foreign origin posed a problem as there would not be enough administrators for the entire state. He realized that the administration had to be Indianized. Therefore, he broadened the Muslim aristocracy by including Rajputs in the administration. He eliminated all signs and symbols which differentiated Muslims and Hindus, and made attempts to integrate them as one. Despite Akbar’s efforts, however, the rigid social structure did not allow lower class (caste) Hindus and Muslims to move from their lower position in society to a higher status. Class rather than faith was the true dividing line. The Muslim aristocracy preferred to accept upper caste Rajputs as their equals rather than integrate with lower caste Muslims. Akbar’s policy was followed by his successors. Even Aurangzeb, in spite of his dislike of Hindus, had to keep them in his administration. He tried to create a semblance of homogeneity in the Muslim community by introducing religious reforms. But all his attempts to create a consciousness of Muslim identity came to nothing. During the entire Sultanate and Mughal periods, politically there was no symbol that could unite the Muslims into a single cohesive community. In the absence of any common economic interest that might bind the different groups of Muslims, they failed to cohere and achieve homogeneity as a single community. Biradaris, castes, professions, and class interests kept them politically and culturally divided.

The ulema made strenuous attempts to foster a religious consciousness and to build a Muslim identity on such consciousness, by dividing Indian society into believers and non-believers. They fulminated against ‘Hindu rituals’ being practised mainly by lower-class Muslims and warned them to reform and keep their religion ‘pure’. Their attitude towards locally converted Muslims was particularly hostile. They argued that by retaining some of their indigenous Indian customs, they were half Muslims and half Hindus. The ulema further argued that true Islam could be understood only through knowledge of Arabic or Persian. Therefore, to integrate with the ‘Muslim Community’ locally converted Muslims should abandon their vernacular culture and learn Arabic and Persian (the everday language of the ruling elite). By that definition, Muslims of foreign origin were taken to be better than those who had been locally converted. These latter were catgorized as ignorant, illiterate, and bad Muslims. However, it must be said that in that period (AD 1206-1707) when the power of the Muslim rulers in India was at its height, no attempts were made to arouse religious, political, or social consciousness on the basis of a Muslim identity. It was only in the period of Akbar, when Rajputs were being integrated with Mughal nobility, that some ulema raised a voice against his religious, political, and social reforms and asserted the separateness of Hindu and Muslim communities. Later on, Aurangzeb tried to rally Muslim support by trying to unite them under a state-imposed version of fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence), compiled as the Fatawa-i-Alamgiri. But all his efforts failed to arrest the process of political disintegration which he was thus trying to avoid.

During the later period, the decline of Mughal political power dealt a heavy blow to the ruling Mughal aristocracy. Immigrants from Iran and Central Asia stopped coming in due to lack of patronage. The dominance of the Persian language weakened. Urdu emerged as the new language of the Muslim elite. The social as well as the political hegemony of Muslims of foreign origin was reduced. Locally converted Muslims began to claim and raise themselves to a new, higher status.

The rise and successes of the East India Company undermined the role of the Muslim ruling classes. Defeats in the battles of Plassey (AD 1757), Buxar (AD 1764) and, finally, the occupation of Delhi by the British (AD 1803) sealed the fate of Mughal power and threatened the privileged existence of the Muslim ruling elite, as the Mughal emperor became incapable of defending their interests.

Under these circumstances, after Shah Alam II, the practice of reciting the name of the Ottoman caliph in the khutba began. This was meant to indicate that the Ottoman Caliph, and no longer the Mughal emperor, was the defender and protector of the Muslim community in India. Another significant change was that with the eclipse of the political authority of the Mughal emperor, the ulema began to represent themselves as the protectors and custodians of the interests of the community. They were now contemptuous of the Mughals whose decline they attribute to their indifference towards religion. They embarked on revivalistic movements which they claimed would lift the community from the low position to which it had fallen. Their revivalism was intended to reform the Muslim community and infuse homogeneity in order to meet the challenges that confronted them.

Sayyid Ahmed’s Jihad (AD 1831) and Haji Shariatullah’s Faraizi movements’ were revivalist and strove to purify Islam of Hindu rituals and customs. Their ultimate goal was to establish an Islamic state in India and to unite Muslims into one community on the basis of religion. Two factors played an important role in reinforcing the creation of a separate identity amongst Indian Muslims. They were, firstly, the activities of Christian Missionaries and secondly, the Hindu reformist and revivalist movements. Muslims felt threatened by both. The fear of Muslims being converted into another faith, and of being dominated by others, led the ulema to organize themselves ‘to save Muslims from extinction’. Recognizing the authority of the ulema, Muslims turned towards them for guidance. They sought fatawa over whether they should learn the English language, serve the East India Company, and regard India as Dar-ul-Islam(under which they could live peacefully) rather than as Dar-ul-Harb (which imposed upon them an obligation to rebel). Thus, external and internal challenges brought the Muslims of India closer together. Religious consciousness paved the way towards their separate identity. The madrassa, mosque, and khanqah became symbols of their religious identity. However, the hopes that they placed in religious revivalism as the path to political power came to an end when Sayyid Ahmed was defeated and his Jihad movement failed to mobilize Muslims to fight against British rule. Bengali Muslims were subdued with the suppression of the Faraizi movement, and the brutal repression that followed the uprising of 1857 reduced the Muslim upper classes to a shadow of what they had been.

Indian Muslims were demoralized after the failure of the rebellion of 1857. Sadness and gloom prevailed everywhere. Muslims felt crushed and isolated. There came a challenge from British scholars who criticized Islamic institutions as being unsuitable for modern times. Never before had Indian Muslims faced such criticism of their religion. This frightened and angered them. In response, Indian Muslim scholars came forward to defend their religion. This led them to study Islamic history in order to rediscover that they believed to be a golden past. In reply to Western criticism they formulated their arguments, substantiated by historical facts, that Europe owed its progress to the contributions of Muslim scientists and scholars, which were transmitted to it through the University of Cordoba in Moorish Spain, where, under Umayyid rule, there was a policy of religious tolerance towards Christians and Jews. Muslim contributions to art, literature, architecture, and science, thus enriched human civilization. To popularize this new image of the role of Muslims in history, there followed a host of historical literature, popular as well as scholarly, to satiate the thirst of Muslims for recognition of their achievements. Such images of a golden past provided consolation to a community that felt helpless and folorn. Images of the glories of the Abbasids, the grandeur of the Moors of Spain, and the conquests of the Seljuks healed their wounded pride and helped to restore their self-confidence and pride. Ironically, while glorifying the Islamic past outside India, they ignored the past of the Delhi Sultanate and Mughal India. In their eyes, the distant and outside past was more attractive than the past they had actually inherited. It was left to the nationalist historians of India, mainly Hindu, to reconstruct the glory of Muslim India in building a secular, nationalist ideology in the struggle against British rule.

Muslim search for pride in their Islamic past, thus, once again turned the orientation of Indian Muslims towards the rest of the Muslim world. That consciousness of a greater Muslim identity obscured their Indian identity from their minds. Their sense of solidarity with the Muslim world found expression, especially, in sympathy for the Ottoman empire. Although most educated Indians were quite unaware of the history of the Ottomans, it became a focal point of their pride, displacing the Mughals. Sayyid Ahmad Khan, while explaining the attachment of Muslims to Turkey, said ‘When there were many Muslim kingdoms we did not feel grief when one of them was destroyed. If Turkey is conquered, there will be great grief, for she is the last of the great powers left to Islam.

During the Balkan wars (AD 1911-1914), when the existence of the Turkish empire was threatened, the sentiments of the Indian Muslims were deeply affected. Muhammad Ali expressed those feelings in these words ‘The Musalman’s heart throbs in unison with the Moors of Fez… with the Persians of Tehran… and with the Turks of Stamboul. The highly emotional articles that appeared in Muslim newspapers such as al-Hilal, Zamindar, Hamdard, Comrade, and Urdu-i-Mualla, aroused feelings of religious identity. Even secular Muslims turned towards religion, growing beards and observing religious rituals.

The Khilafat movement extended the consciousness of a greater Muslim identity amongst Indian Muslims. It also united the ulema and Western educated Muslims. The Muslim League, in its session of 1918, invited leading ulema to join the party. They grasped the opportunity and soon established control of the movement. When Gandhi supported the Khilafat issue and launched his non-cooperation movement (AD 1919-20), he brought out Hindus to protest in solidarity with the Muslims. But the withdrawal of the non-cooperation movement and the eventual collapse of the Muslims, their unity with the Hindus evaporated.

Support of Pan-Islamism and the Khilafat by the Indian Muslims was the emotional need of the growing Muslim middle class, which was in search of an identity. Rejecting the territorial concept of nationhood, they turned to the Muslim world in order to add weight to their demands. The failure of the Khilafat Movement weakened their relationship with the Muslim world and the logic of extra-territorial nationalism came to an end with the end of the Turkish caliphate. The Muslim elite realized that to fulfil their demands they had to assert their separate identity in India. In the words of Prabhha Dixit, the Khilafat movement ‘constituted an intermediary stage in the transformation of a minority into a nation’.

The assertion of a separate national identity by the Indian Muslims brought them into conflict with the Hindus. The factors that had contributed to distance the two communities were the uneven development of Western education among them, the Urdu-Hindi conflict, the partition of Bengal, the Muslim demand for separate electorates, their demand for quotas for government jobs, and political representation. Communalist feelings in both communities were deepened by revivalist movements of the 1920s. In 1928, in response to the Shuddhi (purification) and Sangathan (Hindu unity) movements of Hindus, the Muslims formed Tabligh (proselytizing) and Tanzim (organization) movements to protect Muslim peasants from reconversion to Hinduism. In order to ‘purify’ the Muslims peasants, Muslim preachers visited far off villages and thus made them conscious of their religious identity. The consequently heightened awareness of their religious identity affected their relationship with the Hindu peasants and communalism greatly damaged their cordial and long-time social and cultural relationship.

This heightened religious consciousness was fully exploited by Muslim politicians when the question of distribution of government jobs and political representation arose. The Muslim elite, in order to get a better share in the name of the Muslim community, made full use of appeals to Muslim identity. Thus, the two-nation theory arose out of political necessity, and for the first time it highlighted the differences between Muslim and Hindu culture, social life, and history, as well as religion.

Muslim intellectuals provided the theoretical basis of the two-nation theory by reconstructing Indian history on the basis of religion. Those Muslim conquerors who had long been forgotten and had vanished into the dry pages of history, were resurrected and presented as champions of the Muslims of India. The conquests and achievements of those heroes infused Muslims, high and low, with pride. Ahmad Sirhindi of the seventeenth century and Shah Waliullah of the eighteenth, who were not so well known in their own time, were re-discovered by the Muslim elite who searched their writings of legitimation of their theory of two nations in India. Ahmad Sirhindi was the first Indian Muslim ‘Alim’ who declared that cow slaughter was an important ritual of Islam and should never be abandoned.

There followed an abundance of published literature which was widely read by the Muslim educated classes during this period. The novels of Abdul Halim Sharar, the poems of Hali and Iqbal, and the writings of Muhammad Ali enthralled Indian Muslims and reinforced the consciousness of a distinct Muslim identity. This was essentially on an emotional basis rather than by rational arguments.

The ulema also contributed to the infusion of religious feelings amongst ordinary Muslims by organizing milad festivals and giving a call to go ‘Back to the Quran, Back to the Prophet’. They mobilized the common people to take an active part in the religious and political issues concerning the interests of the Muslim community.

The political developments of the 1930s promoted further the consciousness of a Muslim identity. The propaganda of the Muslim League, the success of the Indian National Congress in the 1937 election, and the emergence of Jinnah as the sole spokesman of Indian Muslims, widened the political gulf between the two communities that led ultimately to the partition of the subcontinent.

In the first phase of the history of Muslim rule, the fact that the Muslim elite was in power, kept Muslim religious consciousness dormant. It was invoked only when its grip on power was threatened. For example, Babar appealed to the religious sentiments of Muslim soldiers on the eve of the battle of Kanwaha but forgot it once the crisis was over. Rather than a religious identity, the Muslim ruling elite asserted an ethnic identity in its bid to hold political and economic privileges. In the second phase, the fall of the Mughals deprived that elite of political power. The task of reviving the sense of their past glory was then left to the ulema. The Jihad movement of Sayyid Ahmad Shaheed and the Faraizi movement of Haji Shariatullah were outwardly religious but aimed at political goals. These leaders, however, sincerely believed that only after the revival of the pure and orthodox faith, could worldly and material success be achieved. Religious piety and political ambitions were interlaced and both provided the incentives to those movements.

In the third phase, the association of the Muslim elite with pan-Islamism was an attempt to derive strength and protection from the Muslim world in order to respond to challenges from the Hindus and the British Government. That movement united Western educated Muslims with the ulema. Anti-imperialist sentiments, on the other hand, brought them closer to the Hindus. In their efforts to maintain unity they gave up some of their religious symbols such as cow slaughter. The end of pan-Islamism and the break-up of Hindu-Muslim unity brought about a radical change in Indian Muslim politics. This led to the politicization of religion.

Thus, in the last phase, consciousness of Muslim identity was exploited by the leadership not so much for a religious cause but for achieving political goals. The leadership was privately secular, but in public they greatly emphasized religion and its values. It is here that the foundations of hypocrisy in appeals to religion were laid, which has persisted to this day. The Partition was regarded as the recognition of the separate identity of the Indian Muslims. But that identity instead of solving their problems has created more crises for the Muslims of Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh.
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Worth watching - a series of three talks by Ishtiaq Ahmed.
The first one:
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