https://www.dawn.com/news/1760279/no-pr ... awaja-asif
No problem with US-India partnership, provided it doesn’t come at Pakistan’s cost: Khawaja Asif
Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
In a significant development, Pakistan has issued a strategic NOC for India-US partnership.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1760279/no-pr ... awaja-asif
https://www.dawn.com/news/1760279/no-pr ... awaja-asif
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
That's a very big concession. India should give up cashmere in return as a big hearted big brother.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
https://www.dawn.com/news/1757425
Analysis: The cyclical nature of political engineering
Nasir Jamal, June 2, 2023
THE old is being dismantled and the new is being born out of its debris. And this is not the first time that it is happening. Making and breaking political parties is favorite pastime of those who rule the country — and they are at it once again.
Not a day passes without a new face leaving the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) after denouncing the May 9 attacks by its supporters on military sites and installations.
Jahangir Khan Tareen, a former Imran Khan confidant who left PTI a couple of years ago, as well as a seemingly over-ambitious Fawad Chaudhry — who was a key member of Imran Khan’s inner circle — are both trying to grab hold of some of these deserters to build what many see as another ‘king’s party’.
The PML-N and PPP are also trying to woo those who are leaving PTI.
There is more than a whiff of familiarity in all this for those who have seen Pakistan’s politics, even from a distance, over the last two decades or so.
In 2000-2002, Gen Pervez Musharraf engineered so many desertions, first from PML-N and then PPP, that he later merged all defectors into Pakistan Muslim League (PML-Q), which then became the ruling party of the country.
Something similar was allegedly done between 2012 and 2018, shepherding a lot of politicians associated with PPP, in particular, and other parties in general to PTI — which also came to rule the country subsequently.
It is obvious that the politicians associated with PTI “are being subjected to the same ‘pressures’ that the military has used to engineer defections and resignations in the past,” says Hassan Javid, a former teacher of politics at the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS).
But, in a recent series of tweets, he also points out that being a “party that was built on defections”, PTI “was always going to be vulnerable” to such engineering.
“Defections are not new or uncommon to Pakistani politics. Nor is political party engineering…,” he wrote.
Dismantling PTI, too, is “part of the establishment’s effort to assert its power and it is part of a long and unfortunate tradition of political engineering that ultimately erodes democracy,” he says.
This erosion of democracy, he argues, is done through “media narratives, the pursuit of selective accountability, outright blackmail, and violence”.
As a major part of this exercise, defections and resignations from one party to the other are “engineered through a combination of patronage, perks, coercion, and violence,” he says.
Whether a carrot is used or a stick — and to what extent — will vary from case to case, he says.
...... (more in the same vain)
Gautam
Also see:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/108166 ... ed-boat-fo
Greece boat disaster: 12 Pakistanis identified among survivors of capsized boat, says FO
UNHR officials say up to 500 still missing from boat tragedy
APP & News Desk, June 18, 2023
.....
Analysis: The cyclical nature of political engineering
Nasir Jamal, June 2, 2023
THE old is being dismantled and the new is being born out of its debris. And this is not the first time that it is happening. Making and breaking political parties is favorite pastime of those who rule the country — and they are at it once again.
Not a day passes without a new face leaving the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) after denouncing the May 9 attacks by its supporters on military sites and installations.
Jahangir Khan Tareen, a former Imran Khan confidant who left PTI a couple of years ago, as well as a seemingly over-ambitious Fawad Chaudhry — who was a key member of Imran Khan’s inner circle — are both trying to grab hold of some of these deserters to build what many see as another ‘king’s party’.
The PML-N and PPP are also trying to woo those who are leaving PTI.
There is more than a whiff of familiarity in all this for those who have seen Pakistan’s politics, even from a distance, over the last two decades or so.
In 2000-2002, Gen Pervez Musharraf engineered so many desertions, first from PML-N and then PPP, that he later merged all defectors into Pakistan Muslim League (PML-Q), which then became the ruling party of the country.
Something similar was allegedly done between 2012 and 2018, shepherding a lot of politicians associated with PPP, in particular, and other parties in general to PTI — which also came to rule the country subsequently.
It is obvious that the politicians associated with PTI “are being subjected to the same ‘pressures’ that the military has used to engineer defections and resignations in the past,” says Hassan Javid, a former teacher of politics at the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS).
But, in a recent series of tweets, he also points out that being a “party that was built on defections”, PTI “was always going to be vulnerable” to such engineering.
“Defections are not new or uncommon to Pakistani politics. Nor is political party engineering…,” he wrote.
Dismantling PTI, too, is “part of the establishment’s effort to assert its power and it is part of a long and unfortunate tradition of political engineering that ultimately erodes democracy,” he says.
This erosion of democracy, he argues, is done through “media narratives, the pursuit of selective accountability, outright blackmail, and violence”.
As a major part of this exercise, defections and resignations from one party to the other are “engineered through a combination of patronage, perks, coercion, and violence,” he says.
Whether a carrot is used or a stick — and to what extent — will vary from case to case, he says.
...... (more in the same vain)
Gautam
Also see:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/108166 ... ed-boat-fo
Greece boat disaster: 12 Pakistanis identified among survivors of capsized boat, says FO
UNHR officials say up to 500 still missing from boat tragedy
APP & News Desk, June 18, 2023
.....
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
That is all great, but who is paying for all that? China has a principle that it will never give any thing for free, and Pakistan will never pay anything it owes. If India extends credit for anything, it might have to write it off.
Gautam
Gautam
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
China is loaning yuan (which china can print) but getting repaid in dollars.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/12 ... -world-cup
Bhikaris are still upset that India are not touring Pakistan even for ICC tournaments and there is nothing they can do about it. They think they have the same clout but financially they are nowhere near the big Daddy..
Bhikaris are still upset that India are not touring Pakistan even for ICC tournaments and there is nothing they can do about it. They think they have the same clout but financially they are nowhere near the big Daddy..
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
why worry saar, as long as we get paidg.sarkar wrote:That is all great, but who is paying for all that? China has a principle that it will never give any thing for free, and Pakistan will never pay anything it owes. If India extends credit for anything, it might have to write it off.
Gautam
we are not in the paki charity business, certainly not this govt
No way that India is extending any form of credit to the pakis
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Any yuan that India gets as payment from anywhere will go towards pending payments to the russkis.Anujan wrote:China is loaning yuan (which china can print) but getting repaid in dollars.
India may have specifically asked for payment in yuan
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Porki Pigs are now saying that while Pakistan is at least getting to host Asia Cup, its participation in World Cup in India will be ascertained by the Pakistani government after considering the safety aspect of its players.Tanaji wrote:http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/12 ... -world-cup
Bhikaris are still upset that India are not touring Pakistan even for ICC tournaments and there is nothing they can do about it. They think they have the same clout but financially they are nowhere near the big Daddy..
Porkis are also claiming in talk-shows that the ICC team which came to pakistan recently had come there to convince them to not seek guarantees of India's participation in Asia Cup as a pre-condition for its participation in the forthcoming World cup.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Who is India getting paid by to do the refining? the Russians?chetak wrote:...
why worry saar, as long as we get paid
we are not in the paki charity business, certainly not this govt
No way that India is extending any form of credit to the pakis
Pak fauj will extract their share of the oil at the port/storage and the gormint will give the excuse that India sent lesser quantity by keeping some of the extraction
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Manish ji,Manish_P wrote:Who is India getting paid by to do the refining? the Russians?chetak wrote:...
why worry saar, as long as we get paid
we are not in the paki charity business, certainly not this govt
No way that India is extending any form of credit to the pakis
Pak fauj will extract their share of the oil at the port/storage and the gormint will give the excuse that India sent lesser quantity by keeping some of the extraction
There is a russki owned refinery complex in India, at vadinar. They have done the refining
It is the erstwhile essar refinery. The russkis had purchased the entire essar oil complex including their retail outlets, oil terminal and port facilities.
Nayara fuel stations are already operational in Bangalore
In August 2017, the Vadinar Refinery was transferred to Rosneft and the Trafigura-UCP consortium (a JV that has recently been rechristened as Nayara Energy) as part of the historic Essar Oil deal, which valued the refinery, its captive port and power plant, as well as a 3,500-strong India-wide retail network at $12.9 bn, making it among the top two FDIs in the Indian energy sector.
As the fastest growing private fuel station network in India, Nayara Energy has 6000+ petrol pumps spread across the length and breadth of the country and over 1200 petrol pumps in various stages of commissioning. The company plans to have a solid network of 8200+ petrol pumps by 2024
The Vadinar Refinery is the country’s second largest single-location refinery. It is also among the five most complex refineries in the world, which means that it can process dirtier and cheaper crudes that have a positive impact on refining margins. It boasts of the world’s tallest crude distillation unit (CDU), a piece of machinery that is the backbone of any refinery. Built on over 3,000 acres of land, the refinery has a third of its area reserved for a green zone. The green zone is dotted with more than 3 lakh trees, including 1.1 lakh mango trees. It has its own power plant and the Vadinar Oil Terminal for receiving crude and dispatching finished products across India and many overseas locations around the world.
The 20-million tonne Vadinar Refinery, which is now operated by Nayara Energy
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
https://www.dawn.com/news/1760353
IS THIS PTI’s FINAL CURTAIN CALL?
What is clear is that the work on winding down ‘Project Imran’ has been set in motion.
Nasir Jamal, June 18, 2023
Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf chairman Imran Khan is an increasingly isolated figure in Pakistani politics. The launch of a military-backed crackdown in the wake of violent nationwide protests on May 9, 2023 has made sure of that. With party leaders and ticket-holders deserting his party in droves, an unannounced ban on the broadcast of his speeches on television, and increasingly tangled up in the web of legal charges and hearings against him, he’s a far cry from the combative figure that seemed to be almost untouchable until just over a month ago.
The May 9 ‘protests’ saw hundreds of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) workers vandalise several state buildings, including military properties, martyrs’ monuments and sites such as the General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi and the corps commander’s residence in Lahore. The protests had been triggered by Khan’s arrest by paramilitary forces, days after he had accused senior intelligence officers of conspiring to assassinate him. The government says these were not spontaneous protests but rather had been planned, with targets specifically chosen ahead of time.
Given the crackdown on those involved in the arson and vandalisation, TV programmes and news bulletins now often shy away from even mentioning the former prime minister by name. Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leaders such as defence minister Khawaja Mohammad Asif have repeatedly hinted at the possibility of Khan’s lifelong disqualification from politics and some have even mooted the banning of PTI itself. And, despite the reservations of civil rights groups, some of the most egregious violators of the law are being tried in military courts. It is being hinted that Khan himself may also face the same fate.
The army leadership has pledged to punish all those involved in the attacks on its sites, as well as vowed to “tighten the noose” around the “masterminds and planners” of the May 9 events, dubbing it a “black day” in the nation’s history. In a recent interview, Khan who is facing more than 100 cases of corruption, fraud and even assassination since his ouster from power through a parliamentary vote, told Bloomberg News that the military was looking to crush his party to prevent him from leading it to victory in the general elections that could be held by October this year.
To many, Khan seems increasingly out of touch with the ground realities. His hardcore supporters continue to hang on his every word, though most of the active ones seem to be expatriates, now limited to expressing opinions only on social media.
But the seeming swift disintegration of Khan’s support and party structures has surprised even his critics. After all, other parties — from the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) in the late 1970s and 1980s, the Muttaheda Qaumi Movement (MQM) in the 1990s and after 2016, the PML-N after 1999 and in 2018 — have seen harsher crackdowns in the past. Yet no one ever doubted their ability to rise once again from the ashes. Could this really be the end for the PTI?
THE GREAT EXODUS
Although defections are a part and parcel of the country’s electoral politics, the scale of the ‘exodus’ of the party leadership from PTI has been nothing short of spectacular. Khan’s old and new allies such as former party Secretary General Asad Umar, former Khyber Pakhtunkhwa chief minister Pervez Khattak, former human rights minister Shireen Mazari, former information minister Fawad Chaudhry, former Sindh president Ali Zaidi, former Sindh governor Imran Ismail and scores of other top leaders have deserted the party during its difficult times.
......
Gautam
IS THIS PTI’s FINAL CURTAIN CALL?
What is clear is that the work on winding down ‘Project Imran’ has been set in motion.
Nasir Jamal, June 18, 2023
Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf chairman Imran Khan is an increasingly isolated figure in Pakistani politics. The launch of a military-backed crackdown in the wake of violent nationwide protests on May 9, 2023 has made sure of that. With party leaders and ticket-holders deserting his party in droves, an unannounced ban on the broadcast of his speeches on television, and increasingly tangled up in the web of legal charges and hearings against him, he’s a far cry from the combative figure that seemed to be almost untouchable until just over a month ago.
The May 9 ‘protests’ saw hundreds of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) workers vandalise several state buildings, including military properties, martyrs’ monuments and sites such as the General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi and the corps commander’s residence in Lahore. The protests had been triggered by Khan’s arrest by paramilitary forces, days after he had accused senior intelligence officers of conspiring to assassinate him. The government says these were not spontaneous protests but rather had been planned, with targets specifically chosen ahead of time.
Given the crackdown on those involved in the arson and vandalisation, TV programmes and news bulletins now often shy away from even mentioning the former prime minister by name. Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leaders such as defence minister Khawaja Mohammad Asif have repeatedly hinted at the possibility of Khan’s lifelong disqualification from politics and some have even mooted the banning of PTI itself. And, despite the reservations of civil rights groups, some of the most egregious violators of the law are being tried in military courts. It is being hinted that Khan himself may also face the same fate.
The army leadership has pledged to punish all those involved in the attacks on its sites, as well as vowed to “tighten the noose” around the “masterminds and planners” of the May 9 events, dubbing it a “black day” in the nation’s history. In a recent interview, Khan who is facing more than 100 cases of corruption, fraud and even assassination since his ouster from power through a parliamentary vote, told Bloomberg News that the military was looking to crush his party to prevent him from leading it to victory in the general elections that could be held by October this year.
To many, Khan seems increasingly out of touch with the ground realities. His hardcore supporters continue to hang on his every word, though most of the active ones seem to be expatriates, now limited to expressing opinions only on social media.
But the seeming swift disintegration of Khan’s support and party structures has surprised even his critics. After all, other parties — from the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) in the late 1970s and 1980s, the Muttaheda Qaumi Movement (MQM) in the 1990s and after 2016, the PML-N after 1999 and in 2018 — have seen harsher crackdowns in the past. Yet no one ever doubted their ability to rise once again from the ashes. Could this really be the end for the PTI?
THE GREAT EXODUS
Although defections are a part and parcel of the country’s electoral politics, the scale of the ‘exodus’ of the party leadership from PTI has been nothing short of spectacular. Khan’s old and new allies such as former party Secretary General Asad Umar, former Khyber Pakhtunkhwa chief minister Pervez Khattak, former human rights minister Shireen Mazari, former information minister Fawad Chaudhry, former Sindh president Ali Zaidi, former Sindh governor Imran Ismail and scores of other top leaders have deserted the party during its difficult times.
......
Gautam
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Pakistanis were trying to enter greece through a boat, which sank, killing hundreds of people.
Up to 400 Pakistanis were on the boat, about 12 were rescued
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... aster?s=08
https://twitter.com/iamthedrifter/statu ... 8445865984
Up to 400 Pakistanis were on the boat, about 12 were rescued
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... aster?s=08
A sizeable number were from PoK, fleeing their "azadi" in the "azad" part of Kashmir.Macabre details have emerged of conditions on the boat, as questions mount over whether the Greek coastguard “covered up” its role in the tragedy. With about 500 people still feared missing, new accounts from survivors indicate that women and children were forced to travel in the hold, and that certain nationalities were condemned to the most dangerous part of the trawler.
According to leaked testimonies told by survivors to coastguards, Pakistanis were forced below deck, with other nationalities allowed on the top deck, where they had a far greater chance of surviving a capsize.
Pakistan has ordered an inquiry and arrested 14 people, butLocal media reported that at least 298 Pakistanis died, 135 from the Pakistani side of Kashmir.
One estimate indicated about 400 Pakistanis were on board. The country’s ministry of foreign affairs has so far confirmed that only 12 of the 78 survivors were from Pakistan.
https://twitter.com/iamthedrifter/statu ... 8445865984
Ayesha Siddiqa
@iamthedrifter
Once upon a time the biggest human smuggler was member of Musharraf cabinet. I am sure such people still remain at the top. More important, with such political & economic instability what do you expect ppl to do if it try to escape
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Just check to see how a PAKI RAPE Elite
when he uses common-sense and starts to see things as they are.Shamshad Ahmed Khan reveals the true mentality and machinations of Pakistani Punjabi's
Says all the elections in pakistan in the past and in the future have been and will always only be an exercise of selection of PM by the Pakistani Army. Says Pakistani punjabi's are by nature servile and not brave. They were facilitators of Mughals, Sikhs, were active collaborators of Britishers and indulged in killing of muslims in Delhi.
KPK, Balochistan states identify more with and are partial towards Afganistan, Sindh towards India, Punjabi's are in-capable. what will happen of pakistan?
Express fear that India will take over Sind and Sikhs will take over the Pakistani Punjab region.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Every Pakistani's mann ki baat.Indian PM to address joint sitting of US Congress but US president doesn't even call Pakistani PM even after repeated requests. Next time when US comes asking for help in catching Al Qaeda number 3 living in Karachi, we will show our strategic non-co-operation and teach Amrika a lesson
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
G Parthasarathy in one of his interviews said that when he raised the issue of Laskhar e tayyiba with Shamshad Ahmed Khan, the gent denied that such an organization even existed.
What is he whining about now?
All this realization/remonstrance is just proportional to their debts. If they get their debts rescheduled they'll go back to their jihadi ways.
What is he whining about now?
All this realization/remonstrance is just proportional to their debts. If they get their debts rescheduled they'll go back to their jihadi ways.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
True that. Even so called "liberal", "well meaning" Pakis are like "we should put the Kashmir issue on hold until we improve our economy by trading with India". So the proposal is to use India to make economy stronger and then allocate more funds for terrorism to hurt India more. I just hope GoI is not foolish enough to fall for this.Anujan wrote:G Parthasarathy in one of his interviews said that when he raised the issue of Laskhar e tayyiba with Shamshad Ahmed Khan, the gent denied that such an organization even existed.
What is he whining about now?
All this realization/remonstrance is just proportional to their debts. If they get their debts rescheduled they'll go back to their jihadi ways.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Even now when they are without any assistance and scratching the bottom of barrells, they are finding ways to finance terror across LOC on a daily basis. It can only get worse for India if their dekhonomoney situation improves.Anujan wrote:All this realization/remonstrance is just proportional to their debts. If they get their debts rescheduled they'll go back to their jihadi ways.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
^^
If there were 400 Porkis in just one boat trying to sneak into Europe then how many of these vermins are now already in Europe spreading their pakistaniyat?
The count would easily rise to millions the way these a**h***s breed. Europe is totally screwed!!
If there were 400 Porkis in just one boat trying to sneak into Europe then how many of these vermins are now already in Europe spreading their pakistaniyat?
The count would easily rise to millions the way these a**h***s breed. Europe is totally screwed!!
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Europe must be divided on the basis of two nation theory, that is their Karma.Vips wrote:^^
If there were 400 Porkis in just one boat trying to sneak into Europe then how many of these vermins are now already in Europe spreading their pakistaniyat?
The count would easily rise to millions the way these a**h***s breed. Europe is totally screwed!!
Gautam
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/10821 ... a-official
In 2022, 19,000 Pakistanis suspected of illegal immigration offloaded by FIA
Three human traffickers have been arrested and are currently being investigated by FIA, agency official says
Rabia Mushtaq,June 19, 2023
The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) Monday disclosed that approximately 19,000 individuals from Pakistan, who were suspected of illegal immigration, were prevented from travelling last year during operations targeting human traffickers.
The comments by the agency's additional director-general North, Rana Abdul Jabbar came following the boat capsizing tragedy near Greece's coast involving Pakistani nationals.
When Thenews.com.pk asked about confirming the count of Pakistanis illegally crossing borders, Jabbar stated that the agency could only validate cases they have intercepted and prosecuted. "We can only confirm what we stopped and prosecuted," he stated.
Additionally, the FIA official mentioned that individuals who haven't encountered such incidents or reached their intended destination are unlikely to report their whereabouts. He added that only the one who hasn’t reached or has encountered an incident will report their whereabouts; others won't.
“We can share [data] about the people we have stopped from leaving [Pakistan]. Last year, it was 19,000. The catch here is that if someone has legally gone to either Dubai or Libya and successfully reached somewhere in Europe, will never report [that they have reached there],” he said when speaking with Thenews.com.pk on a phone call.
Jabbar also said that Europe deported over 34,000 Pakistanis against illegal immigrants crossing the border last year.
“The FIA registered around 3,600 first information reports (FIRs) against agents,” he said, informing about the number of cases against those involved in human smuggling and trafficking.
According to the FIA's data shared with Thenews.com.pk, around 5,654 cases were registered by the agency’s Anti-Human Trafficking and Smuggling Wing from 2020 to 2022. These were cases converted from a total of 40,298 enquiries.
......
Gautam
Pakistan se Zindabhag.
In 2022, 19,000 Pakistanis suspected of illegal immigration offloaded by FIA
Three human traffickers have been arrested and are currently being investigated by FIA, agency official says
Rabia Mushtaq,June 19, 2023
The Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) Monday disclosed that approximately 19,000 individuals from Pakistan, who were suspected of illegal immigration, were prevented from travelling last year during operations targeting human traffickers.
The comments by the agency's additional director-general North, Rana Abdul Jabbar came following the boat capsizing tragedy near Greece's coast involving Pakistani nationals.
When Thenews.com.pk asked about confirming the count of Pakistanis illegally crossing borders, Jabbar stated that the agency could only validate cases they have intercepted and prosecuted. "We can only confirm what we stopped and prosecuted," he stated.
Additionally, the FIA official mentioned that individuals who haven't encountered such incidents or reached their intended destination are unlikely to report their whereabouts. He added that only the one who hasn’t reached or has encountered an incident will report their whereabouts; others won't.
“We can share [data] about the people we have stopped from leaving [Pakistan]. Last year, it was 19,000. The catch here is that if someone has legally gone to either Dubai or Libya and successfully reached somewhere in Europe, will never report [that they have reached there],” he said when speaking with Thenews.com.pk on a phone call.
Jabbar also said that Europe deported over 34,000 Pakistanis against illegal immigrants crossing the border last year.
“The FIA registered around 3,600 first information reports (FIRs) against agents,” he said, informing about the number of cases against those involved in human smuggling and trafficking.
According to the FIA's data shared with Thenews.com.pk, around 5,654 cases were registered by the agency’s Anti-Human Trafficking and Smuggling Wing from 2020 to 2022. These were cases converted from a total of 40,298 enquiries.
......
Gautam
Pakistan se Zindabhag.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Pakistan and China sign $4.8 billion nuclear power plant deal.
Pakistan and China signed a $4.8 billion deal on Tuesday to build a 1,200-megawatt nuclear power plant, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said, hailing the investment by a country that Pakistan views as its most dependable ally. (The flat nose lizards are literally making a killing. Approximately 33 Crore per megawatt cost for a chinese quality power plant )
Work on the Chashma 5 project would begin immediately, Sharif said on state-run news channel PTV following the signing of the memorandum of understanding (MOU) between China National Nuclear Cooperation and Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission.
“Investment from China in this project to the tune of $4.8 billion sends a message loud and clear that Pakistan is a place where Chinese companies and investors continue to show their trust and faith,” Sharif said.
The Chashma 5 project will be built in the central province of Punjab. China’s support will help Pakistan make the transition away from reliance on fossil fuels.
Pakistan’s total nuclear energy production capacity rose to 1,400 mw, when the country’s sixth nuclear power plant opened two years ago. Located in the southern port city of Karachi, that 1,100 mw plant was also constructed with Chinese assistance.
Sharif, whose government is desperately struggling to stave off a balance of payments crisis, thanked the Chinese partners for offering a $100-million discount for the latest project.
It is unclear whether the new investment is part of the $65 billion that China has pledged in infrastructure building for Pakistan under its Belt and Road Initiative.
The new project was originally planned to start a couple of years ago, and Sharif expressed thanks to the Chinese side for not rescheduling costs despite the long delay. Instead, he said, the Chinese had disbursed an initial 30 billion Pakistani rupees ($104.53 million) to start the project.
Pakistan and China signed a $4.8 billion deal on Tuesday to build a 1,200-megawatt nuclear power plant, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said, hailing the investment by a country that Pakistan views as its most dependable ally. (The flat nose lizards are literally making a killing. Approximately 33 Crore per megawatt cost for a chinese quality power plant
)Work on the Chashma 5 project would begin immediately, Sharif said on state-run news channel PTV following the signing of the memorandum of understanding (MOU) between China National Nuclear Cooperation and Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission.
“Investment from China in this project to the tune of $4.8 billion sends a message loud and clear that Pakistan is a place where Chinese companies and investors continue to show their trust and faith,” Sharif said.
The Chashma 5 project will be built in the central province of Punjab. China’s support will help Pakistan make the transition away from reliance on fossil fuels.
Pakistan’s total nuclear energy production capacity rose to 1,400 mw, when the country’s sixth nuclear power plant opened two years ago. Located in the southern port city of Karachi, that 1,100 mw plant was also constructed with Chinese assistance.
Sharif, whose government is desperately struggling to stave off a balance of payments crisis, thanked the Chinese partners for offering a $100-million discount for the latest project.
It is unclear whether the new investment is part of the $65 billion that China has pledged in infrastructure building for Pakistan under its Belt and Road Initiative.
The new project was originally planned to start a couple of years ago, and Sharif expressed thanks to the Chinese side for not rescheduling costs despite the long delay. Instead, he said, the Chinese had disbursed an initial 30 billion Pakistani rupees ($104.53 million) to start the project.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
pretty impressive, 1400 Mw, we only have a capacity of 7380 MW, We need to be atleast 50 x of these guys with locally designed units. I wonder where these guys will get the fuel for the Nuclear reactors though.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 023-06-20/Aditya_V wrote:pretty impressive, 1400 Mw, we only have a capacity of 7380 MW, We need to be atleast 50 x of these guys with locally designed units. I wonder where these guys will get the fuel for the Nuclear reactors though.
^^^ This is the original report which says:
They signed an MoU and disbursed $100 odd million dollars, after delaying the project for 2 years.It is unclear whether the new investment is part of the $65 billion that China has pledged in infrastructure building for Pakistan under its Belt and Road Initiative.
The new project was originally planned to start a couple of years ago, and Sharif expressed thanks to the Chinese side for not rescheduling costs despite the long delay. Instead, he said, the Chinese had disbursed an initial 30 billion Pakistani rupees ($104.53 million) to start the project.
Now I think that 100 million is the discount that is promised in the MoU and nothing substantial was really disbursed 
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Basically, I would like 0 MW Nuclear Power to be produced by them.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Kendo sistahs are back... paki raakit-(na)mards seem to have been neutered
(unless these are raakit-mards in camouflage)
Yawn - https://www.dawn.com/news/1761047/drama ... l-memories
(unless these are raakit-mards in camouflage)
Yawn - https://www.dawn.com/news/1761047/drama ... l-memories
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Its actually better if they are stuck with high cost nuclear power they don't really need - because they are adding high cost power at theAditya_V wrote:Basically, I would like 0 MW Nuclear Power to be produced by them.
same rate as they are de-industrializing. If you don't need nuclear power, you can't just switch the plant off.
We are not going in for more nuclear power, because Solar and thermal are cheaper.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Saar what is the duty factor of these 1400 MW behemoths, thats the key question. If it is like their buses and trains then it is useless. One needs to be more worries about safety: Chinese design combined with Porkjabi regulation is a lethal combination for India.Aditya_V wrote:pretty impressive, 1400 Mw, we only have a capacity of 7380 MW, We need to be atleast 50 x of these guys with locally designed units. I wonder where these guys will get the fuel for the Nuclear reactors though.
Perhaps it is another tactic to get more aid when there is an accident…
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/search-in ... 023-06-22/
Titanic sub destroyed in 'catastrophic implosion,' all five aboard dead
Joseph Ax and Steve Gorman
June 22 (Reuters) - A deep-sea submersible carrying five people on a voyage to the century-old wreck of the Titanic was found in pieces from a "catastrophic implosion" that killed everyone aboard, the U.S. Coast Guard said on Thursday, ending a multinational five-day search for the vessel.
A robotic diving vehicle deployed from a Canadian ship discovered a debris field from the submersible Titan on Thursday morning on the seabed some 1,600 feet (488 meters) from the bow of the Titanic, 2 1/2 miles (4 km) beneath the surface, in a remote corner of the North Atlantic, U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral John Mauger told reporters.
The Titan, operated by the U.S.-based company OceanGate Expeditions, had been missing since it lost contact with its surface support ship on Sunday morning about an hour, 45 minutes into what should have been a two-hour dive to the world's most famous shipwreck.
Five major fragments of the 22-foot (6.7-meter) Titan were located in the debris field left from its disintegration, including the vessel's tail cone and two sections of the pressure hull, Coast Guard officials said. No mention was made of whether human remains were sighted.
"The debris field here is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vehicle," Mauger said.
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Gautam
I understand that there was a Pakistani billionaire in that Sub.
Titanic sub destroyed in 'catastrophic implosion,' all five aboard dead
Joseph Ax and Steve Gorman
June 22 (Reuters) - A deep-sea submersible carrying five people on a voyage to the century-old wreck of the Titanic was found in pieces from a "catastrophic implosion" that killed everyone aboard, the U.S. Coast Guard said on Thursday, ending a multinational five-day search for the vessel.
A robotic diving vehicle deployed from a Canadian ship discovered a debris field from the submersible Titan on Thursday morning on the seabed some 1,600 feet (488 meters) from the bow of the Titanic, 2 1/2 miles (4 km) beneath the surface, in a remote corner of the North Atlantic, U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral John Mauger told reporters.
The Titan, operated by the U.S.-based company OceanGate Expeditions, had been missing since it lost contact with its surface support ship on Sunday morning about an hour, 45 minutes into what should have been a two-hour dive to the world's most famous shipwreck.
Five major fragments of the 22-foot (6.7-meter) Titan were located in the debris field left from its disintegration, including the vessel's tail cone and two sections of the pressure hull, Coast Guard officials said. No mention was made of whether human remains were sighted.
"The debris field here is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vehicle," Mauger said.
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Gautam
I understand that there was a Pakistani billionaire in that Sub.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
He was the vice-chairman of the Engro Corporation, a subsidiary of Dawood Hercules group which was founded by a kathiawadi (Gujrat) memon family in pre-independence India.g.sarkar wrote:https://www.reuters.com/world/search-in ... 023-06-22/
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Gautam
I understand that there was a Pakistani billionaire in that Sub.
maybe Rana Ayyub types can find a way to somehow tie this with Modi's US visit..
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
^ here is the Modi connection 
Man who brought cheetahs to Kuno missing with 4 others in Titan submarine vessel
Man who brought cheetahs to Kuno missing with 4 others in Titan submarine vessel
Aviation expert and avid explorer Captain Hamish Harding, who helped bring eight cheetahs from Namibia to India, is among 5 people missing missing at sea on board the submarine vessel that was on an expedition to the Titanic wreckage site. Harding personally accompanied the cheetahs to Madhya Pradesh’s Kuno National Park and was photographed with the international cheetah team and Prime Minister Modi at the welcoming ceremony.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
A video of Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif taking an umbrella from a female officer escorting him and abandoning her in the rain has gone viral. Netizens trolled many calling him "impolite" and a “national embarrassment”.
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Gautam
Pakistani Mard-e-Momin is always a gallant fellow.
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Gautam
Pakistani Mard-e-Momin is always a gallant fellow.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
This could get interesting.
Pakistan rejects mediation offer on TTP
Pakistan rejects mediation offer on TTP
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Thursday turned down a fresh mediation offer by the Afghan Taliban on the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), as the Foreign Office said the country would not negotiate with terrorists.
“I would like to invite you to a statement made by our foreign minister, in which the FM stated that Pakistan will not negotiate with individuals who are responsible for the killing of Pakistani civilians and law enforcement officials,” the spokesperson told a weekly news briefing here when asked to comment on the latest offer of mediation by the Afghan Taliban.
Mumtaz Zahra Baloch’s response came after Afghan Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid said Kabul was ready to mediate between Pakistan and the TTP.
There were reports that recently a Pakistani tribal delegation met the TTP chief in Kabul in the presence of a senior Afghan Taliban leader. The spokesperson, however, would not comment.
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Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Outta my way woman. I got places to go!g.sarkar wrote:A video of Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif taking an umbrella from a female officer escorting him and abandoning her in the rain has gone viral. Netizens trolled many calling him "impolite" and a “national embarrassment”.
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Gautam
Pakistani Mard-e-Momin is always a gallant fellow.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Cain Markoji,
I do not agree. Showbaaz comes from a ruling elite in Pakistani society, that considers the French lady officer to belong to a sub-human class, born to serve him. So, he does not feel anything when he takes her umbrella and marches off, leaving her in the rain. He has perhaps done similar things in Pakistan many times and genuinely feels that he has done nothing wrong.
Gautam
I do not agree. Showbaaz comes from a ruling elite in Pakistani society, that considers the French lady officer to belong to a sub-human class, born to serve him. So, he does not feel anything when he takes her umbrella and marches off, leaving her in the rain. He has perhaps done similar things in Pakistan many times and genuinely feels that he has done nothing wrong.
Gautam
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
There are two possibilities
One is exactly as mentioned above. It's common practice when rich people go out to eat with their children, there is a nanny who keeps the children outside the store or sits with them inside and don't get to eat. You can search for Filippo maids in Pakistan.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/511766/fro ... and-rupees
Apparently it's a status symbol.
The second point is that. According to rules of etiquette, the taller person is supposed to hold the umbrella. So if he lets the motorma hold the umbrella (she seems as tall if not taller) it means Chota Badmash accepts he is SDRE
One is exactly as mentioned above. It's common practice when rich people go out to eat with their children, there is a nanny who keeps the children outside the store or sits with them inside and don't get to eat. You can search for Filippo maids in Pakistan.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/511766/fro ... and-rupees
Apparently it's a status symbol.
The second point is that. According to rules of etiquette, the taller person is supposed to hold the umbrella. So if he lets the motorma hold the umbrella (she seems as tall if not taller) it means Chota Badmash accepts he is SDRE
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Anujanji,
I saw another explanation on Youtube. Umbrella represents power, think of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj in this case. Showbaaz, once he got hold of the power of umbrella, was not going to relinquish it at any cost.
Gautam
I saw another explanation on Youtube. Umbrella represents power, think of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj in this case. Showbaaz, once he got hold of the power of umbrella, was not going to relinquish it at any cost.
Gautam
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Beggar-in-Chief - the Sharif was practicing RACISM -- simply !!!! - Any one wants to place single malt bets ?
If it was the BLOND -- white female -- he would have sheltered under and probably put an arm around her ..
Since she was french female of african heritage -- how could a TFTA Poonjabi be holding mehmanship with her ?
Cheers ..
If it was the BLOND -- white female -- he would have sheltered under and probably put an arm around her ..
Since she was french female of african heritage -- how could a TFTA Poonjabi be holding mehmanship with her ?
Cheers ..