Understanding the US - Again

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 11 Jun 2023 13:20

I admit, I still think Trump and DeSantis would be more suitable for POTUS than this guy, because they're both older and at least have actual experience serving in govt office.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 12 Jun 2023 02:31

Take a look at this:

https://www.pdsoros.org/meet-the-fellow ... -ramaswamy

Why is Vivek Ramaswamy associated with the Soros family? (In this case, it's Paul Soros, brother of George Soros)

And does Ramaswamy still have any business dealings in China?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 12 Jun 2023 07:54

sanman wrote:Take a look at this:

https://www.pdsoros.org/meet-the-fellow ... -ramaswamy

Why is Vivek Ramaswamy associated with the Soros family? (In this case, it's Paul Soros, brother of George Soros)

And does Ramaswamy still have any business dealings in China?

He clarified that he received a scholarship which he applied in college.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 12 Jun 2023 11:02

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sanman · Post by **sanman** » 12 Jun 2023 17:15

Soros' son openly brags about using money to influence politics :

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 13 Jun 2023 04:00

A_Gupta, good to have you back after a gap, but do desist from posting obsessively about a specific US politician if it has zero relevance to India. Thanks.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 13 Jun 2023 08:22

At least Musk is opposed to Magneto & son

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A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 Jun 2023 10:17

I should also say, apart from being an Indian-American, the relevance of Vivek Ramaswamy to even the Republican Party, let alone India, is not clear; but a lot of space is being given to him. And why not equal space to Nikki Haley? At least, she was once US ambassador to the UN, and that has some relevance to India.

Added: is this following understanding of the US system relevant to India?

From Twitter:

Richard H. Ebright
@R_H_Ebright
"Everyone from Anthony Fauci to Samantha Power to Anthony Blinken is able to calmly sit in front of a powerful senator and explain that documents regarding the research done at Wuhan, subsidised by USAID, NIH and the State Department, will not, after all, be forthcoming."
2:35 PM · Jun 8, 2023

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 14 Jun 2023 08:33

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Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 14 Jun 2023 13:45

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Jun 2023 08:01

https://twitter.com/fentasyl/status/1668699576650309633

Chosen Family for LGBTQ Youth -- a thread
The taxpayer-funded accreditation cartel American Bar Association (ABA) is working overtime in 2023 to
- "Redefine parent-child relationships ... around the definition of 'de facto' parents"
- Overturn parental custody rulings on appeal [to establish precedent]

6 States have already passed the foundational "Uniform Parentage Act" legislation that lays the groundwork for "Chosen Family Civil Rights"

Several localities have already enacted "Chosen Family Antidiscrimination" Laws

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 15 Jun 2023 10:54

For some reason, I am reminded of Woody Allen! and his stepdaughter!!!

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 19 Jun 2023 18:33

Is there a danger this could happen to the Indian military?

Sometimes I worry that if 2024 elections go a certain way, then people with certain ideologies will be appointed to top positions of authority, in order to re-shape the military in a particular direction.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 19 Jun 2023 19:33

sanman wrote:Is there a danger this could happen to the Indian military?

[youtube]iDzzLMukcUI[youtube]

Sometimes I worry that if 2024 elections go a certain way, then people with certain ideologies will be appointed to top positions of authority, in order to re-shape the military in a particular direction.

जनाब,

This is what happens when the commies gain control over the state, like in the US, but reshaping the Indian military will be an extremely difficult enterprise, due to the firmly embedded cultural and age old tradition based drivers which dominate such institutions, and also set the organizational narratives.

There will also be a huge blowback that will end up hurting the powers that be, should such tinkering be even proposed or allowed to take place.

The opposition will convert it into a NATSEC issue and that will be good enough to stop such efforts and their proposers dead in their tracks

The currently running BIF agenda is to try and somehow thrust caste based recruitment on the forces to dilute and divide, in order to weaken combat effectiveness and this has been a paki/cheeni backed abrahamic construct in play for some time now. The commies and some north based communal parties have been paid to push this hard and the overton window has already been created in the name of social justice and equality

pappu has already made such an opportunistic choice in terms of making a hard left turn and extending undue and unwarranted political patronage to the abrahamics and jihadis. The contours of this bargain is gradually unravelling with the GoI taking active cognizance of his shady activities and those of his backers

Notice how pappi has maintained her distance. She is the back up, the plan B, of the same BIF lot, just in case they need to change horses midstream

His many trips abroad have always been replete with frequent contacts with organizations and people who are very obviously committed left leaning wokes, who not only enthrall him, but also contrive to hold significant sway over his future choices

The common thread running through all these BIF entities is the dominance of the anti India and the anti Hindu world view, as well as, the incessant efforts to push their conversion agenda to bring about demographic changes

In exchange for favors returnable, the global commie ecosystem, whose efforts are already underway in India, will try and force a narrative change before the elections, and eventually a regime change, to get a dumb$hit like him into powerful position to eventually change the civilizational as well as regional dynamics to accommodate off shore interests

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Jun 2023 03:13

Has Blinken made a climbdown on Taiwan, while in China?

If true, then what are the implications for India's border situation?

I personally think that showing weakness to the Chinese only emboldens their aggression

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Jun 2023 07:55

I watched his comments.

He has made a boiler plate speach refering to the US obligations under Taiwan relations act.

The recent US hostility towards PRC on the topic of Taiwan could be seen as falling under provision of the act.

Having said that, there appears to be a shift underway inside the Washington betway.

In the past they were gung-ho in relation to going to war with both Russians and the PRC all at the same time.

They are pivoting to crushing the Russians first before going after the PRC.

This is tactical adjustment, rather than any strategic shift.

If the Russians can just hold out and are able to strengthen themselves. Harder will it be for the US to pivot to PRC.

This reminds me of the monkey trap from all those years ago.

Very interesting to watch and observe.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 20 Jun 2023 08:53

sanman wrote:Has Blinken made a climbdown on Taiwan, while in China?
..
If true, then what are the implications for India's border situation?

I personally think that showing weakness to the Chinese only emboldens their aggression

India was and is pretty clear about the extent of US co-operation wrt the conflict with China. Especially if and when it comes to an actual shooting war...

Nothing has happened to change that thinking drastically. The order for drones, engines etc are also not going to make a significant change in our overall strategic thinking, though they will undoubtedly make their presence in our tactical calculations/planning.

We know that we are alone. Like we have been in the past. And we are quite ok with it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jun 2023 04:35

"We do not support Taiwan independence" -- Blinken

A geopolitical earthquake at a press conference in Beijing, after Blinken's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

It shouldn't really be surprising, considering that it's a 50-year-old agreement.

However, it's also a game changer, considering the zeitgeist of intense anti-China sentiments in the US and the fact that many in the US establishment have been prepared for a war over Taiwan for many years.

The return of One-China Policy is a significant turn of events.

And the repercussions will be felt in Asia, Europe and U.S. domestic politics.

Watch video

A dignified Xi and a weird Blinken reaching out for a handshake from an uncomfortable position..

what's with blinken's red lobster look......

or are the amrikis playing their usual game, the one they call "strategic ambiguity", and buying time while getting their ducks in a row.

All the while, continuing with their weapon sales to taiwan, and pushing on the freedom of navigation in the south china seas agenda

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 21 Jun 2023 11:13

Modi's gameplan wrt China is to create a strong deterrent that will make China think twice about starting a conflict with India. Modi does not want a war or conflict because it would derail his economy building goals for India.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Jun 2023 12:30

hgupta wrote:Modi's gameplan wrt China is to create a strong deterrent that will make China think twice about starting a conflict with India. Modi does not want a war or conflict because it would derail his economy building goals for India.

hgupta ji,

Thanks to Modi, the cheen has lost enormous face in dealing with India and are not about to lose more. That's why all the power centers outside India are so very keen on derailing Modi

The cheen has already seen the evolved Indian Army at very close quarters, a far cry from what they saw in 1962 when the politically strangled, and emasculated IA was answerable to an inept and brain dead political leadership exclusively focused on unobtainium

The Nathu La, Cho La(1967) and the Galwan (2020) clashes have changed the cheeni perception and what they saw as "Indian leadership" exemplified in the collaborative, apprehensive, and timid kow towing by successive congi govts has been overturned by a ferocious IA that went at them despite political and tactical constraints imposed on them.

The Nathu La, Cho La clashes in 1967 was the reason why the cheen stayed out of the 1971 confrontation. It had, by then, had a very bitter taste of the capabilities of the professionally led IA and they simply could not afford to lose face again, despite the US (nixon and his mad dog kissinger) literally begging the cheen, time and again, to attack India

The pakis and the cheenis have both realized that perceptions in delhi do not always translate in a verbatim fashion in the hot border areas where the IA has it's own perceptions based on the dynamics of the day and the current political leadership is quite OK with it

Two things deter the cheen from starting an all out war. (The third, BTW is the deal breaker for any cheeni misadventure with India and can be taken as a given)

1) The enormous balance of payments in relation to their trade with India and the many other markets that will gang up against the cheen to make it a very costly proposition for them

2)India's Enemy property act that will legally denude the cheen of any and every asset that they have in India.

and last but not the least, is their morbid fear of India's AGNI series (that is why they cry so much whenever a new AGNI is launched), and given Modi's resolute unpredictability, that AGNI is a risk that the cheen are not only unable to assess, but also cannot easily quantify in geopolitical terms, given Modi's enduring popularity over the years (globally, as well as, locally), and the groundswell of hatred in the aam aadmi that has built up against the cheen over the years.

That is to say, if, in the unlikely event that Modi decides to launch, on unendurable provocation, to safeguard national security, then he will have the overwhelming support of his countrymen. The cheen and the pakis know this well enough.

The cheen, like the pakis, cannot manage India's unruly media space, and their influence extends only some outlier sold out journos, deracinated and bribed commie/naxal/woke elites in academia, the cheeni funded bollywood jihadi mafia, and few other sidelined media entities (the likes mount road mao) at best.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 21 Jun 2023 13:11

sanman wrote:Has Blinken made a climbdown on Taiwan, while in China?

If true, then what are the implications for India's border situation?

I personally think that showing weakness to the Chinese only emboldens their aggression

This is exactly what Scott Ritter was saying on a show...Duran, I think. They laughed it off, but it seems to have happened.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Jun 2023 20:20

This is an old tweet

but nevertheless, it's very relevant even today because of bernie's demented rant against Modi and India during the state visit

honestly, not many people know that this depraved old coot is still among the living....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Jun 2023 11:15

Rudradev,

Referring to your post on Jeffersonian and Wilsonian Presidents how would you categorize Obama, Trump and Biden?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Jun 2023 16:15

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Jun 2023 21:55

Good that Naomi H didn't put a recognisable photo on her handle

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Jun 2023 23:06

ramana wrote:Rudradev,
Referring to your post on Jeffersonian and Wilsonian Presidents ...

Is that post available? Anybody has a link? I wll search in a bit but meanwhile ...

TIA

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Jun 2023 23:48

It had to come to this

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 28 Jun 2023 00:00

chetak wrote:It had to come to this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzn7FnqXoAA ... ame=medium

In January, he received a “Notice of Discipline and Termination of Employment and Contract letter stating that the school ‘received numerous complaints’ about his ‘religious preaching, discriminatory comments about homosexuals and transgender individuals, anti-abortion rhetoric, and misogynistic banter,” First Liberty said. Varkey was then accused of 'discriminatory comments about homosexuals and transgender individuals, anti-abortion rhetoric, and misogynistic banter. Varkey is also an associate pastor at a local church and a devout Christian who follows the religion's teachings on sexuality and abortion.

You can teach X and Y but don’t rant about your personal views after the teaching. No doubt that there is a significant number of left wing "snowflakes" who take offense at everything but at the same time this guy is a fundoo christian who could not keep his mouth shut of his personal religious opinions. Hope they all eat each other in this fight.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 28 Jun 2023 00:04

Book vs Woke intersection is exactly what their God vs Satan is. And their books have predicted it will happen

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Jun 2023 01:12

chetak wrote:It had to come to this

What is the issue. He’s not speaking of gender.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 28 Jun 2023 09:33

While Americans lecture India on the quality of its democracy, what are the feelings on the quality of America's democracy, or that of those its foreign policy now revolves around?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 29 Jun 2023 07:38

https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/ ... in-beijing
Asian allies worry that Blinken blinked in Beijing
M.D. Nalapat, June 25, 2023
TAIPEI: Two of the defining images of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s visit to Beijing last week were the underwhelming welcome accorded to him in the Chinese capital and the manner in which the CCP General Secretary read out the riot act to him at their meeting. There were no important Chinese office-holders to receive the man who is third in the line of succession to the Presidency, nor even a red carpet. Instead, Blinken walked along a red line painted on to the tarmac, a less than subtle indication of what his hosts expected Washington not to cross, not just at the Beijing airport but everywhere else in the world. And judging by the images released of the Xi-Blinken meeting so eagerly sought by the US side, the Secretary of State listened to the translated version of Xi’s homily in silence. Officials in the Department of State have been floating stories about the “robust” exchange of views that the two sides had, with Blinken leading the charge behind the privacy of closed doors. Yet it is difficult to disguise the fact that the Chinese side appears to have ceded no ground whatsoever from its maximalist position that whatever the CCP carries out through its agencies has to be accepted by the rest of the world, no country excepted. There were even reports on social media that the Secretary of State emulated the example of US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, who told the then dictator of Iraq, Saddam Hussein on 26 July 1990 that US Secretary of State James Baker had instructed her to tell him that the George H.W. Bush administration “had no opinion on Iraq’s dealings with the Arab world, including in Kuwait”. This was reportedly taken by Saddam as an indication that the US was not concerned about the future of Kuwait, and hence that his forces could move in and occupy that US ally without any blowback from Washington. Blinken was quoted in these reports as having in effect given a green light to CCP General Secretary Xi to invade and occupy Taiwan, something that is not just improbable but impossible, given the importance of Taiwan, including to the security of that key US ally in the northeast of Asia, Japan. The joker in the diplomatic pack is whether the Chinese side misconstrued Blinken’s mild and courteous manner, refined over years spent as a staffer to Senator Biden, as an indication that there was any inadvertent smudging of Washington’s red line that would be crossed were Beijing to attempt a kinetic change in the status quo over the Taiwan Straits.
Should China attempt a change through force of the status quo, the frontline would be populated by Taiwanese youth. Which is why it is no accident that they as voters have been migrating from the ruling DPP to the Taiwan People’s Party launched by former Taipei Mayor Ko wen-jie. The TPP says that there is no need to buy more weapons from the US or from anywhere else should they come to power, as the TPP would see to it that a cross-strait war is avoided. Such a policy is reminiscent of the stance taken by Prime Minister Nehru until the 1962 war with China, which was that India had no need of an expanded military as skillful “non-aligned” diplomacy would keep the peace between India and its neighbour China. Unilaterally reducing the kinetic defensive capabilities of Taiwan would meet one of the conditions required for the PLA to launch an attack on the island, while the other condition would be a tepid response to such an invasion by the US and its Quad partners Japan, India, Australia and South Korea. In this context, the response by the Biden administration to the furious and kinetic PRC reaction to Nancy Pelosi’s 2 August 2022 visit to Taiwan was not reassuring. Instead of a US carrier in the vicinity sailing towards the air and sea defence zone that the PLA was invading, the naval vessel and its accompanying fleet sailed away from the region even while close to a total blockade was imposed on Taiwan by the PRC for nearly five days. There was a reduction rather than an intensification of US air activity around Taiwan, almost as though a PRC blockade of the island (which would be the first stage of any invasion) would not matter. Such seeming pusillanimity was in contrast to the (admittedly much smaller) 1996 kinetic threats made by China to Taiwan, when two US carriers steamed towards the region and forced the Chinese side to abandon their show of force. Blinken’s visit will do nothing to quiet fears in Taiwan that Washington will look the other way were there to be a total blockade imposed on Taiwan. There is also the discouraging reality that NATO, despite its assurances of support to Kiev, has not sought to impose a No Fly zone over Ukraine and has restrained Kiev from attacking bases in Russia that are regularly causing havoc on the front line. How can Taiwan repel a PLA assault without attacking targets in the PRC? A reduction in the credibility of the US as the guarantor of Security has been why the neo-Nehruvian, former Mayor Ko wen-jie, has emerged as the favourite in the 13 January 2024 Presidential elections in Taiwan.

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Gautam

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Jun 2023 10:27

We need a serious discussion on Modiji State visit and what it means to Understanding the US.
Something big has happened.
- Jill Biden doing the rounds in the first day.
- the entire cabinet standing around like staff in Downton Abbey the next day.
- Modiji's rapport with Bidens
- Ombaba ranting
- Entire Ombaba squad boycotting the Congressional address
- The India American Hinduphobes(Pramila, Ro Khanna, and even Ami Bera) were forced to attend the address and the WH dinner.
- Modiji acknowledging Kamala mami
- Kamala mami talking on and on about her Madras experiences as a child.
- WH saying twice that Ombaba is speaking as a private citizen.

Biden has erased the Clinton formulation of G-2.
He has erased 12 years of transactional bokwas by Ombaba and Trump.
And Blinken went to Beijing before this State visit and got slapped.

Please reflect and post.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Jun 2023 10:51

Ramana, I had the similar thoughts.

But the whole Ukrainian tangle of Biden family and the strength of the US deep state makes me cautious about the long term outcome of the visit.

What I am prepared to do, is to.

Take each day as it comes. Every day the US side doesn't put a bullet in the head of the relationship between us.

Celiberate that as a victory.

I also think that Modi has made a compelling case that his PM ship of India will be good for USA. Thereby, telling the US to reign in the regime change and toolkit gang.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Jun 2023 10:54

I have a question for the members located in the US.

Just how plugged in, Dr. Muktadir Khan is in the State Department apparatus.

He is supposedly a professor in some reputed university and is from Indian Hyderabad.

He runs a you tube channel called Khanversations with Dr Khan.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 30 Jun 2023 19:31

Pratyush wrote: ...I also think that Modi has made a compelling case that his PM ship of India will be good for USA. Thereby, telling the US to reign in the regime change and toolkit gang.

You are right, Pratyush ji, and he may have accomplished it by doing a nice surgical strike i.e., separating business community (IT/tech/defence ityadi., which pays) from left wing /woke / evanjihaddis cabal (which receives). At the end of the day, business and economic interests trump everything else. Foundation of the compelling case is that India with its vibrant workforce/population and massive consumption capacity, is the last bastion (and arguably the last hope) on the planet earth where excess capacity of the industrialized countries can be sold and consumed (preferably in Rupees). Modi led BJP governance is the only hope for foreign businesses to see such outcome, thus it is in their best interest to not engage in anti-BJP shenanigans. And, a cherry on top, is that if anyone is dreaming about China containment, that dream isn't complete without India regardless of what the outcome is. And, this explains a vertical split within the Dem party along ideological and practical lines. But this is also a country, that will maintain the cabal with knives sharpened, just in case....

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 30 Jun 2023 23:21

ramana wrote:We need a serious discussion on Modiji State visit and what it means to Understanding the US.
Something big has happened.
- Jill Biden doing the rounds in the first day.
- the entire cabinet standing around like staff in Downton Abbey the next day.
- Modiji's rapport with Bidens
- Ombaba ranting
- Entire Ombaba squad boycotting the Congressional address
- The India American Hinduphobes(Pramila, Ro Khanna, and even Ami Bera) were forced to attend the address and the WH dinner.
- Modiji acknowledging Kamala mami
- Kamala mami talking on and on about her Madras experiences as a child.
- WH saying twice that Ombaba is speaking as a private citizen.
Biden has erased the Clinton formulation of G-2.
He has erased 12 years of transactional bokwas by Ombaba and Trump.
And Blinken went to Beijing before this State visit and got slapped.
Please reflect and post.

While Obama is a democratic ex-president, he is not acting like one. He is supposed to support the present democratic president and stay out of current politics, that is the norm. But as a retired person, he needs money and support. It is possible that he was bought off. His comments on Modiji was to bring down Sleepy.
Come to think of it, this is not the first time Ombaba has tried to put down Sleepy Joe. It started with a support for Billary for president. As Sleepy won, Ombaba has tried to show how ineffectual Sleepy is during his visits to the White House. Just Google "Joe Biden and Obama relations" and see that the relationship is complicated.
Gautam

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 01 Jul 2023 01:31

Pratyush wrote:Ramana, I had the similar thoughts.

But the whole Ukrainian tangle of Biden family

Praytush ji, for all the love Biden and his admin has shown towards Ukraine in this UKR-RUS conflict I can confidently say that there is no tangle of the Biden family with UKR, atleast to the level and intensity that the GOP as been hoping for. This is mostly a media talking point narrative to keep the GOP voters engaged and influential in the election fund raising cycle. I'm not saying that Biden does not love UKR, but the Republican insisted personal-corrupt angle if just not there. We need not ignore this, but just need to use it for our own advantage as it suits. What we do need to be cautious of is Biden's reliance and trust of deep state individuals like Nulund, who can turn on a dime and can rally an administration on a war path.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/p ... eport.html

https://newrepublic.com/post/172627/rep ... -joe-biden

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-rep ... d=73192146

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... nald-trump

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-ar ... on-1808006

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Jul 2023 06:22

Jay, when I speak of Ukraine entanglement of Biden family.

This is what I mean.

You can say that it means nothing. But it's not nothing.

The deep state's actions WRT, Ukraine show that it's not able to re calibrate on the basis of changing environment.

Hence the comment of the US side not shooting the relationship in the head.