Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

[JE Menon]

Seems like a new book is out in the UK to defend Britainnia against feeling shameful for its colonial past.

Nigel Biggar's "Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning"

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/1 ... lity-tale/

I think in general the current British society is content to quietly brush it's colonial past under the rug and moralise others. But this Biggar fellow has put the limelight back on it, as a "Christian Ethicist". This could be fun.

Here's a recent interview of Biggar... Well worth watching, although it is irritating. They are setting the stage for a neo-colonial civilizing mission, as well as an extended period of exculpatory argumentation to avoid scrutiny of their imperialism in a much more strategically impactful way.

[sanjaykumar]

I won’t suffer this *igger’s apologia.

This is the predicted preemption for when the power equilibrium is reversed.

Three years to spot number three.


Nobody suffers beggars asking for what is rightfully theirs. But it’ll come to billions in contracts. No koh i noor, no koh i cash.

[Haresh]

Rediscovering India’s lost queer icons: a tour of Old Delhi’s secret history

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... tory-delhi

"Her partner calls the tours an act of rebellion because Muslims and queer people “face discrimination on a daily basis"

“Having a queer Muslim leading this walk made me feel safe and empowered. I am aware of the vulnerability Muslims face in the current climate, but having the courage to be true to yourself in such times can inspire and empower fellow queers.”

As opposed to the treatment they receive from their co-religionists ???

[RoyG]

JE Menon,

We are already under the spell of colonialism. We have adopted the French enlightenment ideals, nation-state, and democracy. Indians along with the rest of the world has shown no interest in pursuing an alternative model and very little exist in terms of research.

[sanjaykumar]

Of course historically Hindus have been murderous towards queers but Muslims have celebrated diversity.

It’s a type is mental illness.

[g.sarkar]

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66140356
BBC presenter accused of paying teen for explicit photos - report
8/7/2023
A BBC presenter has been accused of paying a teenager for sexually explicit photographs, beginning when they were 17, according to The Sun.
The newspaper reported that the unnamed male presenter had paid the alleged victim tens of thousands of pounds.
It is understood that the BBC is looking into the allegations, and that the star is currently not scheduled to be on air in the coming days.
The Sun said the young person's family complained to the BBC on 19 May.
The family is reported to have become frustrated that the star remained on air and approached the newspaper, but said they wanted no payment for the story.
The mother told the paper that the anonymous individual, now aged 20, had used the money from the presenter to fund a crack cocaine habit.
She described to the paper how her child had gone from a "happy-go-lucky youngster to a ghost-like crack addict" in three years.
Following the reports, several high-profile BBC presenters have taken to social media to deny they are the presenter in question.
Broadcaster Rylan Clark tweeted on Saturday that he was not the presenter, saying "that ain't me babe" and adding that he is filming in Italy for a BBC programme.
Separately BBC Radio 2 presenter Jeremy Vine has also distanced himself from the Sun story, saying the allegations are not about him.
He tweeted: "Just to say I'm very much looking forward to hosting my radio show on Monday — whoever the 'BBC Presenter' in the news is, I have the same message for you as Rylan did earlier: it certainly ain't me."
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Gautam
Also see:
New BBC Scandal: Presenter Buys Explicit Photos from Teen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3jV-93 ... =Firstpost

[chetak]

[chetak]

no need to worry, folks.., all is in the well and pedophilia is now an official part of the beeb's woke culture... and their employees are free to indulge or partake, should the urge ever overcome them

the renowned and colonially trained cabal of dexterous painters at the BBC have whitewashed the entire episode concerning Huw Edwards as attributable to “serious mental health issues” when a simple, and honest phrase, like "horny old pedophilic reprobate" would have more than sufficed

normal programming continues uninterrupted, and of course, needless to say, god will have to continue to save the king.....

and the tattered, bedraggled, and blood soaked union jack will balefully but not so proudly, continue to irritatingly flutter in the breeze

BBC’s Huw Edwards named by his wife as the presenter who paid a young person for sexually explicit images

On 12th July, Vicky Flind, wife of one of the United Kingdom's leading news anchors Huw Edwards, named him the BBC presenter accused of paying a vulnerable young person in exchange for sexually explicit images. Edwards, who is one of the network's highest-earning anchors, was suspended by BBC pending an investigation.3 hours ago

Not surprisingly, the metropolitan police via their legendary "Specialist Crime Command" exonerated everyone, including winnie the pooh, and the teflon coated beeb remains blameless as ever. Jolly good show, what...

BBC noted that the detectives from Met’s Specialist Crime Command concluded the assessment and determined no criminal offence was committed.

Vulnerable young person = 0
BBC + Huw Edwards +Vicky Flind = 1
Game, set, and match = Met’s Specialist Crime Command
King's Counsel(s) involved in the case = laughing all the way to the bank

watch the next birthday honours list for more updates

[g.sarkar]

https://www.opindia.com/2023/07/british ... a-big-lie/
As British politician makes rhetorical claim on “UK’s foreign aid” to India after Chandrayaan-3 launch, here is how it is a falsehood repeatedly peddled by colonists
Paurush Gupta,15 July, 2023
On the 14th of July, India’s premier space research organisation ISRO successfully launched the Chandrayaan-3 from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Andhra Pradesh’s Sriharikota at the scheduled time of 2:35 PM (IST). This is ISRO’s follow-up attempt after the Chandrayaan-2 mission faced challenges during its soft landing on the lunar surface in 2019 and eventually crashed on the lunar surface.
Taking into account learnings from the last mission, the Chandrayaan-3 will attempt a soft landing on the Moon’s south pole on the 23rd of August. If everything goes as planned by ISRO’s scientists, India will become the fourth nation to pull this remarkable feat of successfully demonstrating soft-landing capabilities on the Lunar surface. Previously, only the United States, Russia, and China have successfully demonstrated this.
Apparently, this ambitious space programme by India has not gone down well in some quarters, particularly among the elites in the United Kingdom and elsewhere. Seemingly jealous, British politician and leader of the British First political party, Paul Golding raked the rhetorical issue of the UK’s “foreign aid” to India.
Taking to Twitter, he said, “Well done India on the success of your space programme. And shame on UK politicians who keep unnecessarily giving India tens of millions of pounds in ‘foreign aid’.”
Netizens were quick to respond back in kind to this uncanny congratulatory tweet from the British politician. While many highlighted the fact that Britain looted $45 trillion and killed millions of innocent Indians, some reiterated that this unwarranted “aid” only ends up in the pockets of notorious NGOs that are serving the nefarious purposes of Christian missionaries and trying to create fissures in Indian society. While calling for Britain to return the Koh-i-Noor diamond and other items kept in the British museums, many told him that the Indian govt has stopped accepting any aid from the UK, and now its grants and investments go towards NGOs.
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Gautam
A few tons of burnol is required ASAP.

[Pratyush]

UK defence secretary has put in his papers.

[g.sarkar]

Poverty in Britain - Why are millions of Brits so broke? | DW Documentary

Britain has a historically low unemployment rate of 3.6%. Yet poverty levels are breaking all records. It’s a paradoxical situation: almost 15 million Britons are considered poor these days, although there’s almost full employment. The reason: inflation and high energy costs.
Galloping inflation and a dramatic spike in energy costs in recent months are forcing millions of Britons into poverty. Wages fluctuate in an "uberized” working world of precarious employment conditions. Over the past 10 years, beginning with David Cameron, the government has scaled back its support to vulnerable members of society. The result: reduced life expectancy. Disadvantaged Britons are dying 10 years sooner than their wealthier compatriots - victims of what’s become known as the "shit life syndrome” - a life marked by poor living conditions, disease and addiction.
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Gautam
Added later: I have lived near Manchester for 2 years long ago, so I know the area. Things have become really bad in recent times. Both Germany and the UK have a tradition of showing other countries in bad light, whenever they want the inhabitants to be distracted from their own situation. So, we can expect to see a lot of reporting on India in the good old BBC style.

[vimal]

^^ Bad Putin

[chetak]

meanwhile, back at the ranch......

don't think that the britshits anticipated such a tortuously drawn out "trade negotiations" scenario where the main sticking point seems to be the extraditions of Indian criminals "safe havened" by the britshit deep state, even after the crown courts agreed to deport them, after said criminals exhausted all legal options available to them

They still persist on treating India with barely concealed colonial contempt

@ani_digital·Jul 24
India-UK hold 11th round of FTA negotiations to enhance trade, investment opportunities

[krithivas]

It is interestingly funny that the British is calling someone a "thief"!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cr ... cb0b&ei=22

[Cyrano]

meanwhile, back at the ranch......

don't think that the britshits anticipated such a tortuously drawn out "trade negotiations" scenario where the main sticking point seems to be the extraditions of Indian criminals "safe havened" by the britshit deep state, even after the crown courts agreed to deport them, after said criminals exhausted all legal options available to them

They still persist on treating India with barely concealed colonial contempt

@ani_digital·Jul 24
India-UK hold 11th round of FTA negotiations to enhance trade, investment opportunities

We should add reparations for their colonial crimes and looting (the word itself comes from the Raj era) @ 100 billion a year for the next 3 centuries. Immediate return of all stolen artefacts to India and every other country they looted from as sign on bonus.

[S_Madhukar]

Coutts (bank of the royals and super privileged in the UK?) de- banked pro-Brexit UKIP leader Farage. They must have thought it will be a great PR stunt to make liberals happy and the group CEO tried to pass it off to a BBC editor as just another low balance account being closed… which is now proved was not the case as Farage, a toad he may be but is loaded thanks to his trading background …Now the CEO is in a soup and will most likely end up as a great business case study for the next cohort of management graduates in the study of client confidentiality, data protection, media management, ethics etc etc when they were trying to be defenders of liberal values

I hope Indian banks don’t try to pull any such stunts for 2024..

[Haresh]

May be they should look at themselves in the mirror ??

Tragic Amber Gibson's life of misery: Girl, 16, who was sexually assaulted and murdered by her own brother had also been raped by another man weeks before - and spent years in care after escaping home where her father viciously attacked her mother

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... isery.html

Man who found Amber Gibson’s naked body in woodland violated her instead of telling police: Pervert, 45, is told he faces ‘lengthy’ jail term for his ‘horrific crimes’ against the tragic 16-year-old

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... r-old.html

Revealed: Father of teenager who murdered and sexually assaulted his 16-year-old sister was jailed for raping a woman who he grabbed by the neck and throttled - in chilling precursor of son's horrifying crime

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-did.html

[IndraD]

Baby dies after teargas fired at Rohingya trying to escape Indian detention centre

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... mu-kashmir

jail break being trivialised!

[Aditya_V]

Baby dies after teargas fired at Rohingya trying to escape Indian detention centre

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... mu-kashmir

jail break being trivialised!

Why can't UK or Pakistan accept these poor folks. It will solve the situation.

[IndraD]

scramble in west to connect Oppenhiemer & atom bomb with Bhagvat Geeta, after all director is British https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66288900

[drnayar]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230728102 ... aster.html


There’s a growing understanding in Britain that the country’s vote to quit the European Union, a decisive moment in the international rise of reactionary populism, was a grave error.

[chetak]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230728102 ... aster.html


There’s a growing understanding in Britain that the country’s vote to quit the European Union, a decisive moment in the international rise of reactionary populism, was a grave error.

drnayar ji,

The brexit vote was fixed, even the referendum was needless but it was malevolently pushed through on the slimmest of margins and against the wishes of a great many sensible folks

the right questions for the britshits to ask would be who and why

the arrogant and shitty two bit country has no money, no prospects, no allies, no future and no hope and at the same time, it's fatal immigration policies and the brainless bleeding heart liberal politicos have left it with the a forecast of a fast looming sharia sunrise which will make "the troubles" in northern ireland seem like a romp in the hay

couldn't have happened to a better lot of white supremacists whose colonial atrocities dwarfed anything that the nazis ever did (or even dreamt of doing) and then some....

[chetak]

[sanjaykumar]

The wogs are getting uppity.

[Atmavik]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230728102 ... aster.html


There’s a growing understanding in Britain that the country’s vote to quit the European Union, a decisive moment in the international rise of reactionary populism, was a grave error.

I think this will pay off on the long run. The Brit’s will have a first mover advantage(in Europe) in a changing world order

[bala]

A Videshi made this YT of how the britshits impoverished the world's richest country - united India/Bharat. The Britshits emptied out the entire wealth (> 45T, more like 200 T) and blocked the economy of world trade and internal trade, besides committing the largest holocaust in World History of around 200 million dead in famines, shooting, hanging, war, etc. The ICS was created to serve the Britshit interest and the current IAS is but a version of such shoddy crap. The Brits refuse to give back stolen artifacts taken from their colonial conquest worldwide. Other nations like Dutch Netherlands have realized their mistake and are returning things. Stolen knowledge in Sanskrit (false flag initiatives by the brits have stolen old manuscripts from all the Mutts of India, Shringeri, Puri, Badrinath, Dwarka, etc) hides in institutes like Cambridge, Oxford, German Univ but India is not allowed to take them back nor even look at them. A subject like Botany taught today is based on an original text from Kerala (the much hated M. Witzel of Haarvard told Rajiv Malhotra about botany).

Today, much of Britain does not want to accept plain facts of their sordid BritshitRaj rule.

[drnayar]

The reality of how much treasure both material and intellectual Britain/Germany stole from India is worthy of an entire encyclopedia.. just too much to comprehend. At least Tharoor made a start on it.. some serious effort needs to be done to catalogue and codify.. i wonder if that is even possible tbh

[RoyG]

Bala,

Bharat exists only in name. India is now the reality, hate it or like it. The British colonialism was a symptom of a larger problem which is Indian culture losing its luster beginning in pre Islamic times.

Why blame them now in 2023?

[Ashokk]

NIA raids 31 locations in Punjab, Haryana to arrest attackers of Indian High Commission in UK

National Investigation Agency (NIA), India’s anti-terror agency, raided 31 locations across the northern states of Punjab and Haryana to locate the culprits involved in the March 19 attacks on Indian High Commission in London.

The agency carried out the raids on Tuesday (August 1) to search, identify and arrest all those involved in the attack organised by pro-Khalistani elements.

“It has been carrying out extensive investigations into the incident with a view to ensuring there is no repeat of such breach of security, disrespect to the Indian National Flag or any threat to Indian interests abroad,” said the NIA in a statement.

The team seized digital data containing information related to those involved in the attack on the High Commission and other incriminating documents, the spokesperson said.

During the operation, the agency raided the house of Soni Kaur, a widow living at Dhurkot Ransih village in Nihal Singh Wala sub-division of Moga district, the Hindustan newspaper reported.

According to the NIA, her son and daughter had allegedly participated in the protest outside the Indian mission.

The brother-sister duo had moved to the UK last year and their father Jaswinder Singh died a few years ago.
During the searches, the NIA team recovered 37 live cartridges from the house.

Kaur, however, said her husband had a licenced gun which they sold after his death. But they were not able to sell the cartridges, she said.

Kaur has been asked to appear at the agency’s headquarters in New Delhi on August 10 for questioning.

Notably, Kaur’s father-in-law Jagtar Singh was the driver of slain militant preacher Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale—a leading figure in the Khalistani movement.

The raids come after an NIA team visited UK in May to gather evidence in the case.

Subsequently, “crowdsourcing” was also initiated to identify and collect information about the UK-based entities and individuals involved in the incident. The attackers were identified based on those details.

[bala]

The British colonialism was a symptom of a larger problem which is Indian culture losing its luster beginning in pre Islamic times.

Not true. We were minding our own business, invaders with dubious ideology, customs, ethics imposed themselves on India. The culture of India was quite vibrant and healthy, example in the South the Cholas were thriving. Many of India's systems, thinking were diametrically opposite to those of the invaders. Take the simple concept of God, India has Brahman which is sat, gyan, anantam (taitriyya upanishad). BhagavadGita 4.24 has ब्रह्मार्पणं ब्रह्म हविर्ब्रह्माग्नौ ब्रह्मणा हुतम् . The word hutam (offering) became gutam in german then gott in dutch and finally god in Angrez. India had a decent education system with adequate coverage across population. World renowned Universities existed. Bhaktiyar Kilji set fire to Nalanda university. The society was based on varna not caste in the formal sense of Angrez census taking.

The Brits have to acknowledge their past to reconcile themselves. Other nations are doing the same. Israel acknowledges the fact that Indian soldiers fought for their freedom. Til date, the UK does not acknowledge Indian soldiers fought and died for their cause in WW1 and WW2. The guilt is upon themselves, which is their own creation. Their sense of entitlement and haughty feeling of rulership in the world with horrendous crimes against humanity is stopping them. Tis time to show humility and ask for forgiveness.

[RoyG]

The British colonialism was a symptom of a larger problem which is Indian culture losing its luster beginning in pre Islamic times.

Not true. We were minding our own business, invaders with dubious ideology, customs, ethics imposed themselves on India. The culture of India was quite vibrant and healthy, example in the South the Cholas were thriving. Many of India's systems, thinking were diametrically opposite to those of the invaders. Take the simple concept of God, India has Brahman which is sat, gyan, anantam (taitriyya upanishad). BhagavadGita 4.24 has ब्रह्मार्पणं ब्रह्म हविर्ब्रह्माग्नौ ब्रह्मणा हुतम् . The word hutam (offering) became gutam in german then gott in dutch and finally god in Angrez. India had a decent education system with adequate coverage across population. World renowned Universities existed. Bhaktiyar Kilji set fire to Nalanda university. The society was based on varna not caste in the formal sense of Angrez census taking.

The Brits have to acknowledge their past to reconcile themselves. Other nations are doing the same. Israel acknowledges the fact that Indian soldiers fought for their freedom. Til date, the UK does not acknowledge Indian soldiers fought and died for their cause in WW1 and WW2. The guilt is upon themselves, which is their own creation. Their sense of entitlement and haughty feeling of rulership in the world with horrendous crimes against humanity is stopping them. Tis time to show humility and ask for forgiveness.

This is the traditional line of thinking but there are big flaws in it. Looking a bit deeper, we seemed to have hit some kind of a dead end if you will with just action sciences and not fully developing theory. At least this is my reading from the research from Dr. SN Balagangadharas research program. For example, if we look at the Arthashastra, we didn't have a theory of strategy which is why it became lost and was only rediscovered during the british colonial era. Our shashtras read more like manuals with directives depending on the task at hand. Very advanced and ahead of anything the world had produced at the time. We also continued to make advances in action sciences with the development of avadhanam which has so far not been able to be replicated within the western intellectual millieu.

If you examine our history closely, we had lore and writings which became increasingly technical during the buddist era but we seem to have done some kind of reversion to lore maybe in some kind of subconcious attempt to stabilize the building blocks of theory. Then something interesting happened, Shankara came around and began asking very profound questions like - "What is self?" The question fits the modern scientific theory parameters of today. This stands in stark contrast to the buddhist whose experience of the natural state could not produce a theory question. Shankara then began cataloguing debates, formalizing the same technical terms of mind and psychology before him, and created a matha (research institution). In other words, he created a research insitution for theory of self.

Unfortunately for us, before this could take off in any meaningful way, we were invaded and colonialized by the Islamic forces and we experienced a ~ 600 year intellectual blackout period. We then experienced another black out period lasting another 200 years with the british. Psychologically we were approximately 800 years ahead of the semitic world. In some respects we still are but they are catching up.

I have a developed a theory of what would have happened had we not been invaded and colonized by the Muslims but I am keeping this private until it is finished being critiqued.

We are at a point where we need to fully utilize the advances made in the western scientific tradition in the last 200 years and stop cribbing what these guys did to us. We have now a fully developed theory and scientific institutions available to us. There are many things we have to emulate and advance upon if we want to compete and survive. Nobody owes us anything, we have to take it. Anything else is loser talk.

[Tanaji]

Another day, another article from the resident house Negro of the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66360064

World hunger is India’s responsibility. India taking steps to protect its people is apparently irresponsible and hurts global food security. Resident brown sahib even quotes some Ms Mustafa to buttress his argument.

Us sepoys are expected to be ashamed ourselves. Only thing missing in the article is evil Hindu and Modi

[Atmavik]

Another day, another article from the resident house Negro of the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66360064

World hunger is India’s responsibility. India taking steps to protect its people is apparently irresponsible and hurts global food security. Resident brown sahib even quotes some Ms Mustafa to buttress his argument.

Us sepoys are expected to be ashamed ourselves. Only thing missing in the article is evil Hindu and Modi

Wow . No evil Hindu or Modi. That’s a first , how about facism and end of democracy? Sorry not opening that farticle

[S_Madhukar]

RoyG sir,

1. do you think varna siloed knowledge or it was locked up in universities away from common people?
2. since there was no printing press did we miss out on easily accessible records of our knowledge?
3. Did trading not inform us that outside India most of the world was still savage and a danger to our civilisation? Any written records from the trading fraternity spread across Africa and Asia ?
4. Did we miss out on a Kautilya when Islamic invasions started ? Were our comms so stretched or distant that the fall of Hindu kings didn’t ring a bell ?
5. As we see sickulars today, in the past did Hindu kings use savage Islamic gangs against each other and ultimately fall into their lap? East India company kind of represents a similar pattern ?

Sorry please move this to the correct thread if admins think so.

[SRajesh]

Plan B : Refugees to be sent to Ascension Islands if Rawanda plans fail
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... eme-court/
So neither S America nor Africa

[Manish_P]

Plan B : Refugees to be sent to Ascension Islands if Rawanda plans fail
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... eme-court/
So neither S America nor Africa

If pushed to Africa they would have traversed the continent, got to morocco, algeria or tunisia and hopped back to europe within weeks. In the case of South America it would give Unkil an ulcer so No way Jose..

Ascension islands means they will have to stay put. And with a population of around a 1000 they can implement a sharia state within days

[IndraD]

colour revolution arrives in Britain in full force

White men who failed to join RAF furious after no one is sanctioned over botched diversity drive
https://news.sky.com/story/fury-at-lack ... k-12934256

White men - derided as "useless white male pilots" - who failed in a bid to join the Royal Air Force are furious no one has been sanctioned over a botched diversity drive that broke equality legislation, and say they want their rejected applications reviewed.

, extensive reporting by Sky News has revealed evidence of wider pressure to favour women and ethnic minorities over white men to meet "impossible" diversity targets.

It can be revealed that members of a British battle group on a six-month deployment to Estonia this year have been fined a total of nearly £10,000 for alcohol-related misdemeanours - such as urinating in public, breaching a two-pint drinking limit and breaking curfew.

The urination offence, which occurred on 24 May, cost one soldier £635.56 - while another was charged £1,117.92 for drinking too much and staying out late on 31 May, according to a leaked document seen by Sky New

[IndraD]

colour revolution in UK: Banks cancelling accounts of customers with contrary political opinion

Nigel Farage issues rallying cry as banks close million accounts in just four years https://www.gbnews.com/news/bank-news-n ... ts-natwest

[vcsekhar]

colour revolution in UK: Banks cancelling accounts of customers with contrary political opinion

Nigel Farage issues rallying cry as banks close million accounts in just four years https://www.gbnews.com/news/bank-news-n ... ts-natwest

You do realize that GB News was found to be spreading Russian Propaganda ?

[Pratyush]

Can you deny that the bank account of Nigel Farrage was closed?

Not everything is Russian propoganda.