Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jul 2023 23:16

Rakesh wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023 18:44 'No equivalent to air-launched BrahMos in the world': BrahMos CEO
https://www.theweek.in/theweek/current/ ... rview.html
16 July 2023

Russia wants the air launch Brahmos.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 13 Jul 2023 23:21

ramana wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023 23:16Russia wants the air launch Brahmos.

Ramana-ji, that would require walking a diplomatic tightrope.

The Western media will accuse India of arming Russia to wipe out Ukraine.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2023 05:45

ramana wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023 23:16
Rakesh wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023 18:44 'No equivalent to air-launched BrahMos in the world': BrahMos CEO
https://www.theweek.in/theweek/current/ ... rview.html
16 July 2023
Russia wants the air launch Brahmos.

How ironical !! Russia wanted an arm and a leg for the Su-30 fuselage modifications to carry the missile and so we had to eventually do it ourselves.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 14 Jul 2023 12:15

Interesting nuggets from the article

So the numbers were small. But it was the management of BrahMos Aerospace and the vision of those industry giants, who said that there seems to be some future in this article, that has been proven now. About 25 years later, we have been producing and integrating approximately 100 missiles a year. The numbers―missiles delivered and orders booked―are mind-boggling. If we calculate from day one, the revenue totals about $6 billion (close to Rs50,000 crore, at current conversion rate).

The 100 missiles/year current run rate + $6 Billion orders (at the rate of $3 - 4 Million per missile) means that we have likely north of 1000 Brahmos in our inventory. At the very least, in the high 100s. Considering its range, accuracy, ECCM, maneuverability etc, it makes this a lethal missile force by itself. For once, we have not skimped on numbers. No wonder Pakis returned Abhinandan unscathed and China is unwilling to escalate

At the start, the missile was only 13 per cent Indian. We have upped this to 76 per cent. This was possible because of the industries who chipped in almost immediately. The public sector, the private sector, all chipped in and literally became partners.

It was not that these companies were given money to start their manufacturing. They put in the money themselves. Today we have more than 200 manufacturing industries on board as part of our supply chain. This model was a first. In a way, we started the ‘Make in India’ movement and the ‘Atmanirbharta’ movement.

They have truly created a mini-Mil-Ind complex around this one missile. Amazing! It just shows the multiplier effect that large orders can make.

We are looking at the BrahMos NG first because that makes business sense. We will go hypersonic or look at hypersonic once the actual technology stabilises. Right now it is only R&D. There is no cruise weapon as such inducted into the forces which is fully hypersonic.

The ballistic missiles are hypersonic, they go at Mach 6-plus. But they are not cruise missiles. The cruise hypersonic, which is the scramjet-based hypersonic (the ramjet can just about touch hypersonic), is still in R&D. We are working on ramjet going to Mach 4.5 to Mach 5, which is the start of hypersonic. But, a lot of work is required.

Prioritizing Brahmos-NG makes a lot of sense. This pragmatism and focus on delivering a working product (rather than endless R&D) is what has made Brahmos Aerospace successful!

Interesting to note that they are pushing the limits of Ramjet to Mach 5 (borderline hypersonic speeds). We may even see a version of Brahmos operating in those realms. He also gives a reality check on where true hypersonic missiles worldwide are at (only at the R&D stage)

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 14 Jul 2023 18:46

Prem Kumar,

The benefits of stabilizing a platform and constantly upgrading it are immense. The real capability of brahmos is its ability to target hardened nuclear missile silos in mountainous terrain. This was demonstrated with photographic evidence available to public. A 17-50kt warhead within 10m of target makes it a counterforce weapon.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Jul 2023 12:28

OT
Not Indian but informative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFHPefJMso0

Mobile Coastal Defence Missile System K-300P Bastion-P (Russian)

Aarvee · Post by **Aarvee** » 17 Jul 2023 07:51

https://www.news.com.au/technology/envi ... 6d92547023

https://www.6pr.com.au/the-mystery-behi ... was-coast/

Based on the location and picture, could be Agni/K4 stage ?

Kersi · Post by **Kersi** » 17 Jul 2023 17:51

chetak wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023 12:28 OT
Not Indian but informative

Mobile Coastal Defence Missile System K-300P Bastion-P (Russian)

And do we still use the SS-N-2 'Styx', P 15 missiles ?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 17 Jul 2023 18:00

I think Styx has been replaced by Land launched anti ship Brahmos missiles

Kersi · Post by **Kersi** » 18 Jul 2023 12:13

Aditya_V wrote: ↑17 Jul 2023 18:00 I think Styx has been replaced by Land launched anti ship Brahmos missiles

Tathastu

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jul 2023 07:41

Aditya_V wrote: ↑17 Jul 2023 18:00 I think Styx has been replaced by Land launched anti-ship Brahmos missiles

Norman Palomar the naval writer once wrote in his annual book on Naval powers that IN had modernized the radio tube electornics with transistors and made the Styx more effective.
Dont know if it is a trial balloon or real news.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Jul 2023 07:59

It was reported in different defence trade magazines during the late 90s. That styx for an un named asian Navy was upgraded by IMI.

The end user was never made public.

The eastern Europeans were also selling upgrade package for the system.

Make what you will from that.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Jul 2023 19:20

X-Post from the Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy thread...

Rakesh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 19:15 https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/ ... 37345?s=20 ---> Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Ignat on why air defense was unable to destroy any of the 7 x P-800 Onyx (Oniks) Russian missiles that targeted Odesa today: "Ukraine do not yet have the ability to shoot them down, since the missile flies at a speed of more than 3,000 km/h."

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/ ... 37121?s=20 ---> Ignat: When approaching a target, Onyx can fly at a height of 10-15 m above the water.

https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1 ... 75008?s=20 ---> Validates the Brahmos concept, especially when you skim close to the sea/ ground.

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 23873?s=20 ---> Terminal S shaped manoeuvres at Mach 2.8 at sea-top height are virtually impossible to defeat. Missiles like this and the BrahMos need to be defeated beyond 100 km when they are still very high and present a relatively large radar signature given their size.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Jul 2023 19:39

Rakesh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 19:20 X-Post from the Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy thread...

Rakesh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 19:15 https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/ ... 37345?s=20 ---> Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Ignat on why air defense was unable to destroy any of the 7 x P-800 Onyx (Oniks) Russian missiles that targeted Odesa today: "Ukraine do not yet have the ability to shoot them down, since the missile flies at a speed of more than 3,000 km/h."

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/ ... 37121?s=20 ---> Ignat: When approaching a target, Onyx can fly at a height of 10-15 m above the water.
https://twitter.com/joe_sameer/status/1 ... 75008?s=20 ---> Validates the Brahmos concept, especially when you skim close to the sea/ ground.

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 23873?s=20 ---> Terminal S shaped manoeuvres at Mach 2.8 at sea-top height are virtually impossible to defeat. Missiles like this and the BrahMos need to be defeated beyond 100 km when they are still very high and present a relatively large radar signature given their size.

Even at height the radar signature of supersonic cruise missile is still very small.

Kersi · Post by **Kersi** » 20 Jul 2023 20:13

RoyG wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 19:39
Rakesh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023 19:20 X-Post from the Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1 ... 23873?s=20 ---> Terminal S shaped manoeuvres at Mach 2.8 at sea-top height are virtually impossible to defeat. Missiles like this and the BrahMos need to be defeated beyond 100 km when they are still very high and present a relatively large radar signature given their size.
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Can Brahmos (or anything else) do Terminal S shaped maoeuves at Mach 2.8 at sea-top height ?
I doubt it

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 21 Jul 2023 00:16

It’s not possible for Brahmos to do S shaped maneuvers at Mach 2.8 at sea level. The idea is to use element of surprise and speed to defeat CIWS.

Remember at Mach 2.8 S shaped maneuver would be in excess of 20G Gs which a large missile like Brahmos can’t structurally handle.

Also the radar signature of Brahmos is significantly higher than say a Harpoon. But at 25 ft over surface the Brahmos will not pop up on the radar until it has reached 25 ktm from the ship and then the ship would have only 30 seconds to react. But with modern CIWS and radars it is not impossible so the only way to defeat a ship would be to saturate it with 6-7 Brahmos per ship.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Jul 2023 06:44

It not impossible for a missile to pull S turn at mach 2.8 at sea level.

It has all the tools needed to do so.

People need to remember that a missile doesn't have the single most limiting factor of a human on board.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 21 Jul 2023 07:02

What’s the point of hyper or supersonic missile if it takes 6/7 to defeat a single ship?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Jul 2023 07:48

Hypersonic missile doesn't mean super weapon.

At the point of impact, it is still governed by the size of warhead. The target hardening, if it's something other than a ship.

If it's a ship, then the size of the ship and level of subdivisioning. Along with the quality of damage control training of the crew.

For large container ship, even if the warhead goes right through the side of the ship. The damm thing is so large that it will have little effect on the buoyancy of the ship.

If the target is a loaded crude oil carrier. The oil tank will act as a sort of ERA. The real risk to the ship comes from the oil catching fire. Not from the warhead detonation.

A modern warship is mission killed by the impact of a modern anti ship missile. Even if it's not sunk.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 21 Jul 2023 09:00

An old navy saying - 'Missiles May Cripple But Torpedoes Destroy'

The torpedo still remains the most destructive weapon to kill ships. Hence the indian SMART (missile) - a combo of a missile and torpedo is such a potent weapon.

Current version being developed/tested is supersonic sea-skimming missile carrying a LWT torpedo. Probably in future we will also develop faster missile with HWT torpedo variant.

Carrier killers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Jul 2023 22:04

Manish, LWT was developed in WWII for anti-submarine work and still had the same objective.

To sink a ship needs HWT.

nash · Post by **nash** » 26 Jul 2023 16:02

https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 726133626/

Triple layer:

MRSAM
LRSAM
XRSAM

Funds Required: $2.5 Billion

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jul 2023 05:49

Way back when Avinash Chander was DRDO Chief, there was a project dubbed XR-SAM. There were two variants of XR-SAM then talked about. One with 250 km range another with 400 km range. XR-SAM could engage aircraft, cruise missiles, UAVs/Drones and even hostile ballistic targets. XR-SAM was supposed to be ready for developmental and engineering trials by 2020.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Aug 2023 22:05

The second tweet below

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 51681?s=20 ---> Anti-Tank Guided Missiles Helina and Dhruvastra have successfully passed all required trials. Missile systems are ready for induction in Indian Army and Air Force.

https://twitter.com/defenceglobe/status ... 37728?s=20 ---> Now armed forces will give a generous order for 12 missiles but guys just as LSP. Mass order will be given as follow up, "SOON". Meanwhile, lets induct Spike/Hellfire in 1000s as "plug gap".

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 01 Aug 2023 22:25

Rakesh wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023 22:05 The second tweet below

https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 51681?s=20 ---> Anti-Tank Guided Missiles Helina and Dhruvastra have successfully passed all required trials. Missile systems are ready for induction in Indian Army and Air Force.

https://twitter.com/defenceglobe/status ... 37728?s=20 ---> Now armed forces will give a generous order for 12 missiles but guys just as LSP. Mass order will be given as follow up, "SOON". Meanwhile, lets induct Spike/Hellfire in 1000s as "plug gap".

Rakesh,

The tweets you posted are precisely the mechanism by which the procurement establishment operates. I got into a debate with an admin regarding LSP and it’s baffling how things like this are justified in a procurement system. The QI process whether with the product or manufacturing is tied to a winning tender for a given quantity upfront to meet the demand of the consumer.

Most BRFites still can’t see that an LSP is just another name for curtailing orders to make way for a foreign product. This is many times made possible through the emergency procurement clause which was cleverly added last minute and accepted by the genius DM.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 02 Aug 2023 08:58

If I had a Rupee for every time Helina "passed trials and was ready for induction", I would have enough money to equip all 75 Rudras with it

Kersi · Post by **Kersi** » 02 Aug 2023 10:37

Rakesh wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023 22:05 The second tweet below

https://twitter.com/defenceglobe/status ... 37728?s=20 ---> Now armed forces will give a generous order for 12 missiles but guys just as LSP. Mass order will be given as follow up, "SOON". Meanwhile, lets induct Spike/Hellfire in 1000s as "plug gap".

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Aug 2023 12:47

IDRW, is reporting that Adani defence has secured orders for the ULPGM system.

What I am looking forward to, is for guidance seeker to be used to design a system with following attributes.

1) Self contained launch tube and missile with all up weight between 10 -12 kg. ( Like the MBT LAW)
2) Seeker acts as the sight of the system.
3) No need for CLU or external launch device.
4) Employment method, mount the self contained launch tube on shoulder. Point the missile in the direction of the enemy. Missile locks on target. The shooter fires the missile.

Larry Walker · Post by **Larry Walker** » 06 Aug 2023 15:02

In an India-PRC war if PRC hits New Delhi with TBM's will India hit back on Beijing with IRBM/ICBM ?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Aug 2023 15:16

What is the nature of warhead used?

Nuclear, then a nuclear response has to happen.

If it's conventional, a response will serve no military purpose. However, purely for morale factors. A response will have to happen.

It is for this and related military and economic reasons. I have been asking for tens of thousands of cruise missiles with ranges above 4000 kms. On other threads.

Those things can be used to strike deep inside PRC. At it's military production plants. Logistics nodes and related targets. Cost would be low compared to a conventional IRBM. Added benefit of not raising a spector in the minds of PRC leadership that a second sun is about to raise over a PRC city.

Total expenditure for those systems over the next 20 years will be between 20 to 30 billion USD.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 06 Aug 2023 18:47

Pratyush wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 15:16 Those things can be used to strike deep inside PRC.

Strike deep into the heart of PRC? Let's take a pause and think about it.

India's infrastructure - like roads, rail lines, rail and road bridges, oil storage depots, power plants - is largely around massive population centers. When China starts attacking that infrastructure, they will invariably kill a very large number of civilians in the process.

When India responds in a similar manner by destroying infrastructure in key population centers (Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzen, etc), India is now climbing up an escalatory ladder. When China detects those missile launches, how are they to know that those missiles are armed with conventional or nuclear warheads? What assurance does China have - in conflict and that too under this Indian PM - that India will hold true to her NFU policy? The Chinese in turn will launch nuclear tipped missiles, assuming India is doing a first strike decapitation. When those Chinese missiles explode in India and kill millions more, India in turn will then launch her own set of nuclear tipped missiles and do the same. You now have nuclear winter.

What is the point of teaching the evil Indians a lesson, when millions of their own are guaranteed to die? What is the point of winning a conflict when your population centers are in radioactive dust? The ChiComs will be wary to climb up the escalatory ladder. They will never enter into a conflict in which they do not have a clear path to success and which involves minimal damage to themselves. Both India and China are global economies. One is a manufacturing hub and the other is a service/manufacturing hub. If you have nuclear war between the two, it will result in a global economic meltdown. You can't just shut down the global economy for two weeks and head off to war.

Please think through scenarios before we make claims about striking deep into the heart of PRC. Keep the focus on attacking military and logistical infrastructure in Tibet (in retaliation). Anything beyond that, is inviting disaster. It is an advantage that PRC has and India has to game scenarios around that. PRC too has to game out scenarios that will prevent India from going up that escalatory ladder.

Long range Agni ICBMs are a last resort weapon. If India has to exercise that option, it is over for everyone. Short & medium range IRBMs and cruise missiles is where our rocket force needs to keep its focus on. The end goal is to inflict pain upon Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet, to force them to come to the negotiating table.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 08 Aug 2023 18:11

Interesting Project List by Sterling-Techno Systems
https://www.sterling-techno.com/our-project/

For Example:

LR-AsHM Dummy
Total simulated weight: 20,000 kg

Other product of interest
First Stage Support Arm Assembly (for Agni Family)
This critical assembly is used in the Agni Projects. The system opens within 200milli seconds and allows to clear article fins from the path after take off. This is our regular product for Agni project ( A1, A2 & A3). It is supplied to launcher manufacturers.

FSSA A1 for 12 tons load
FSSA A2 for 14 tons load
FSSA A3 for 45 tons load

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Aug 2023 21:30

Was watching alpha defence Hindi channel about the LRASHM.

Could not make sense of a few things.

He was saying that the missile will have a range of approximately 3000 km. With a length of 14 meters.

How is someone able to come up with the range and length of the missiles on the basis of the stated characteristics of the container for the system?

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 10 Aug 2023 23:07

Why India's Pinaka Rocket Launchers Are Bothering Azerbaijan

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 11 Aug 2023 01:58

Rakesh wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 18:47
Pratyush wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 15:16 Those things can be used to strike deep inside PRC.
Strike deep into the heart of PRC? Let's take a pause and think about it.

Long range Agni ICBMs are a last resort weapon. If India has to exercise that option, it is over for everyone. Short & medium range IRBMs and cruise missiles is where our rocket force needs to keep its focus on. The end goal is to inflict pain upon Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet, to force them to come to the negotiating table.

An assured and credible MAD keeps the Chinese away from entertaining such thoughts in our direction. I think that was the gist of the writeup.

bala · Post by **bala** » 12 Aug 2023 20:21

AgniPutri, India's missile woman, Tessy Thomas interview. The theme ‘She Shakti’ is about embracing the power, tenacity and limitless possibilities of women.

She is the first ever woman scientist to lead a missile project in India. She was appointed for the Agni Project by Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam. She is the brain behind Agni 5 missiles. In 2018, She was appointed the Director-General of DRDO. Dr Thomas has made ground-breaking contributions to the India's defence and space programs and is a Padma Shri award winner.

An Indian Woman, dressed in a saree, sitting in the Command Centre is one of the most powerful imagery we can send out into the world. Today, the Indian women has tremendous opportunity, with hardwork/grit, innovation, to rise to the very top.

Larry Walker · Post by **Larry Walker** » 12 Aug 2023 22:32

New Delhi is within 500 kms from Ngari prefecture. A strike on any command and control or any important infra in and around of NCT will have to be answered back for maintaining morale. Blowing bridges and caves in middle of nowhere in Tibet will not cut it. Not only NCT, but many other high population and important cities are within cruise missile range of PRC. Nearest countervalue of PRC will have to be Chengdu and its 1000 kms from the eastern edges of Assam valley. So we need a Brahmos2 and a 1K range Nirbhaya to maintain that fear and power balance with PRC.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Aug 2023 11:58

Rakesh wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 18:47Strike deep into the heart of PRC? Let's take a pause and think about it.

India's infrastructure - like roads, rail lines, rail and road bridges, oil storage depots, power plants - is largely around massive population centers. When China starts attacking that infrastructure, they will invariably kill a very large number of civilians in the process.

When India responds in a similar manner by destroying infrastructure in key population centers (Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzen, etc), India is now climbing up an escalatory ladder. When China detects those missile launches, how are they to know that those missiles are armed with conventional or nuclear warheads? What assurance does China have - in conflict and that too under this Indian PM - that India will hold true to her NFU policy? The Chinese in turn will launch nuclear tipped missiles, assuming India is doing a first strike decapitation. When those Chinese missiles explode in India and kill millions more, India in turn will then launch her own set of nuclear tipped missiles and do the same. You now have nuclear winter.

What is the point of teaching the evil Indians a lesson, when millions of their own are guaranteed to die? What is the point of winning a conflict when your population centers are in radioactive dust? The ChiComs will be wary to climb up the escalatory ladder. They will never enter into a conflict in which they do not have a clear path to success and which involves minimal damage to themselves. Both India and China are global economies. One is a manufacturing hub and the other is a service/manufacturing hub. If you have nuclear war between the two, it will result in a global economic meltdown. You can't just shut down the global economy for two weeks and head off to war.

Please think through scenarios before we make claims about striking deep into the heart of PRC. Keep the focus on attacking military and logistical infrastructure in Tibet (in retaliation). Anything beyond that, is inviting disaster. It is an advantage that PRC has and India has to game scenarios around that. PRC too has to game out scenarios that will prevent India from going up that escalatory ladder.

Long range Agni ICBMs are a last resort weapon. If India has to exercise that option, it is over for everyone. Short & medium range IRBMs and cruise missiles is where our rocket force needs to keep its focus on. The end goal is to inflict pain upon Chinese military infrastructure in Tibet, to force them to come to the negotiating table.

Do for a minute believe that PRC will not be striking Indian infrastructure assets or weapons manufacturing plants.

In case they truly want to defeat India. Then simple border clashes are not going to get the job done.

They will not be able to force India to accept the terms they want, on the battlefield unless Rahul Gandhi is in power.

But if India is unable to hit the PRC heartland and PRC is able to strike deep into India using air launched weapons, Indian civilian morale will be affected.

The best way to deter PRC from striking deep into India is to have a credible ability to strike deep into PRC.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Aug 2023 20:12

Pratyush wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023 11:58Do for a minute believe that PRC will not be striking Indian infrastructure assets or weapons manufacturing plants.

In case they truly want to defeat India. Then simple border clashes are not going to get the job done.

They will not be able to force India to accept the terms they want, on the battlefield unless Rahul Gandhi is in power.

But if India is unable to hit the PRC heartland and PRC is able to strike deep into India using air launched weapons, Indian civilian morale will be affected.

The best way to deter PRC from striking deep into India is to have a credible ability to strike deep into PRC.

When we talk about striking deep into the heart of PRC i.e. Beijing for example, one has to consider what preceding steps have taken place, for India to make that move. What platforms does India have, apart from ballistic missiles like the Agni series, that can reach Beijing? How do you think China will respond in an attack on Beijing? Because a tit-for-tat exchange of that manner, will only end with a nuclear conflict.

The fact that India's infrastructure is around population centers is not lost on the Chinese. If the ChiComs want to climb up that escalatory ladder, then deterrence is the only means to give them a moment of pause. How do you PR spin a nuclear attack on Beijing, that leaves it in radioactive waste? All their effort and hard work to make China a global superpower in the 21st century will end up (literally) as radioactive dust. What really is the positive for the ChiComs in this scenario?

So the Chinese will examine other avenues, than just a border skirmish that involve their land and air forces. The PLAN will likely be employed for this. That still keeps the conflict in the military domain and does not involve the Indian citizenry. And that is not because the Chinese actually care about Indian civilian population, but are more concerned about their own ability to prevail in a retaliatory strike. How much pain are they willing to absorb to cut India down to size?

It is in China's interest to keep the conflict in the military sphere, as much as possible. If they can defeat India in that domain, then they will have achieved their objective. Both countries have more than a third of the world's population living within their borders. Attacking population centers in India is not going to end well and not just for them...but for the entire world. It is in India's interest to deter any possible military misadventures from the Chinese.

P.S. if they sink the Vikrant and/or Vikramaditya and her battle groups and come out unscathed, what morale will be left?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Aug 2023 20:40

This discussion is from a very narrow point of view, as a response to a post from another user.

I am not saying that India use a nuclear Agni missile.

What I am arguing from the first post on this particular discussion is to build a cruise missile with ranges covering all of PRC.

Over a period of 20 to 30 years 20k missiles can be built with a price of approximately 30 to 40 billion USD.

The reason why I am asking for this is because I have discounted PRCs ability to defeat Indian army on Northern and East front.

Second, if PLAN is able to continue building it's Navy over the next 20 years. Then Indian Navy has to have the following force in order to be able to handle PRC. ( this is a minimum level of force required)

a) 6 carrier
b) 120 destroyer and frigates
c) 60 submarines
d) Plus whatever numbers of surveillance and support assets required.

In the late 30s the Indian Navy is going to be faced with at minimum 4 carriers and several dozen surface ships and submarines before a commencement of hostility between the two sides.