Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Aug 2023 20:59

Pratyush wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023 20:40 What I am arguing from the first post on this particular discussion is to build a cruise missile with ranges covering all of PRC.

Over a period of 20 to 30 years 20k missiles can be built with a price of approximately 30 to 40 billion USD.

To cover all of PRC, you will need a Kalibr type of missile. We don't have one, at least not revealed in the open domain.

India will not spend the kind of money on what you are suggesting above. This is wishful thinking.

Pratyush wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023 20:40Second, if PLAN is able to continue building it's Navy over the next 20 years. Then Indian Navy has to have the following force in order to be able to handle PRC. ( this is a minimum level of force required)

a) 6 carrier
b) 120 destroyer and frigates
c) 60 submarines
d) Plus whatever numbers of surveillance and support assets required.

The Navy will not get anything remotely close to what you are suggesting. This is a flight of fancy Pratyush.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Aug 2023 21:18

If it's wishful thinking. That's fine.

Let's also wish that PRC doesn't become the power, it aspires to be.

Or we will have to learn to read and write Mandarin.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 16 Aug 2023 07:20

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bala · Post by **bala** » 16 Aug 2023 10:35

VinodTK ji I have posted the same YT in previous page.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Aug 2023 20:18

Rakhwale Astra Mk1 BVR Missile अब रफाल में भी लगेगी, बालाकोट जैसी जुर्रत नहीं कर पाएगा पाकिस्तान

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Aug 2023 13:45

Pratyush wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023 21:18 If it's wishful thinking. That's fine.

Let's also wish that PRC doesn't become the power, it aspires to be.

Or we will have to learn to read and write Mandarin.

the Russians are .. mandarin is popular in school

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Aug 2023 17:01

IDRW, is reporting that Brazil and India are in talks about integration of Astra on Brazilian Gripen.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 22 Aug 2023 18:43

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 85164?s=20 ---> Rudram test soon? Astra Micro will modify an existing S-Band Unmanned Active Surface Target (UAST) for an upcoming test. Basically UAST mimics the air defence radar, thus can be used as target for Anti Radiation Missiles.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 27 Aug 2023 02:16

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... se-missile

The DRDO unveiled the LRLACM concept at India's Defexpo 2020. According to the DRDO, the nuclear-capable LRLACM would weigh one tonne and have a length and diameter of 6 m and 0.52 m respectively.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 27 Aug 2023 11:29

Rakesh wrote: ↑22 Aug 2023 18:43 https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 85164?s=20 ---> Rudram test soon? Astra Micro will modify an existing S-Band Unmanned Active Surface Target (UAST) for an upcoming test. Basically UAST mimics the air defence radar, thus can be used as target for Anti Radiation Missiles.

Very nice development! If they can eventually make a mobile target with the ability to switch-on/switch-off emitters (to simulate a smart adversary), that'd be a great stress-test for Rudram

Drnayar: I am keeping very watered down hopes for any ADE project, be it Tapas or LRLACM. That lab, leadership change notwithstanding, is in a permanent R&D mode and have proven incapable of shipping products

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 27 Aug 2023 18:52

https://twitter.com/Kuntal__biswas/stat ... 76162?s=20 ---> DRDO ADANI LRGB and SAAW-EO.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 28 Aug 2023 23:50

https://twitter.com/Mrcool63040811/stat ... 0727211138

New Notam is issued for a Missile Test

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Sep 2023 17:50

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2D2U-k9ME ... EtYwHAyv44

This channel is reporting that
Astra Mk1 missiles now cost .7 million USD. As compared to 1 million USD in the past.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Sep 2023 17:57

and we purchased missiles with a much lessor range for 2+mil from France.

If we can sell this product properly with integration etc. we can make huge money. In fact, this will be a much bigger attraction towards LCA for other nations.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 07 Sep 2023 02:39

Yagnasri wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023 17:57 and we purchased missiles with a much lessor range for 2+mil from France.

If we can sell this product properly with integration etc. we can make huge money. In fact, this will be a much bigger attraction towards LCA for other nations.

Not being negative but we need to fix the launcher + adapter for Astra on LCA first . I am sure it will be done just like the python issue was resolved.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Sep 2023 08:47

What issue on LCA?

First I am hearing of it.

Kersi · Post by **Kersi** » 07 Sep 2023 11:48

Ashokk wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 23:50 https://twitter.com/Mrcool63040811/stat ... 0727211138

New Notam is issued for a Missile Test

Agni II ?
Nirbhay ?

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 07 Sep 2023 14:57

Pratyush wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023 08:47 What issue on LCA?

First I am hearing of it.

I believe it is the really large adaptor system for the pylon, as the standards are different for Su-30 MKI. It is a stopgap while we make a dedicated system for Astra and Tejas

image credits : DRDO

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 08 Sep 2023 23:46

hypersonic ?!!

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Sep 2023 23:49

A missile force for India/Bharat.

Immediate Tactical, operational (medium range) and strategic depth need to be considered. Pinaka, Smerch are used by the Indian army. Astra 3, Rudram 3 are expanding towards 500 km range, brahmos II is around the same. Hypersonic capability is required since the defense against them is next to nil. The strategic depth is covered by the Agni series (up to 5000+ Km). China already has a well developed rocket force. Some elements for India's rocket force command/control, appropriate production ready missiles and ISR (requires sensors, eyes in the sky/space/naval for near real-time information & precision, good networking, some AI capabilities, distributed fire & control centers with proper safeguards/security). A command control leadership/General of Joint forces at theater levels is required. Instant activation is a key and all systems are ready to go at a moments notice for Area denial, strike at operational, communication centers, logistics/supply and strategic nodes.

// it would be poetic if the missile force operating from Arunachal Pradesh takes out 3 gorges dam and floods the chinese civilization. Also pearl river delta targeting would be awesome.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 10 Sep 2023 04:15

^^ please do not post paki style khiyali pilaos and ghazwa e hind type nonsense. You are asking for summary genocide

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Sep 2023 06:21

https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... 93766?s=20 ---> Excellent news. DRDO is modifying Su-30MKI for flight trails of Rudram 3. Su-30MKI will also integrate KAM 500 data acquisition system for collecting the test data. Station number 5 & 6 will modify to carry Rudram 3. This is the same aircraft modified for Astra & NGARM.

bala · Post by **bala** » 11 Sep 2023 09:08

vimal wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023 04:15 ^^ please do not post paki style khiyali pilaos and ghazwa e hind type nonsense. You are asking for summary genocide

Look dude, genocide has been committed by China and the fact that they took Tibet forcibly and other areas tells the story (take a look at the 1932 official map of China vs what it is today). Anyways these were YT comments on the escalation ladder (do look this up in military terms) and in war all options are open. Terms that you use are by the neighbor next door who have zero capability other than terrorism. Reserve these for those types not on BRF.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 11 Sep 2023 10:35

^^ You realize that all the content you post here is indexed by Google and search engines and viewable by the public which makes it's moderators and members liable. These are not the times of fake bravado, even if you are quoting from video, make the source clear.

Kersi · Post by **Kersi** » 11 Sep 2023 11:00

Rakesh wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 06:21 https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... 93766?s=20 ---> Excellent news. DRDO is modifying Su-30MKI for flight trails of Rudram 3. Su-30MKI will also integrate KAM 500 data acquisition system for collecting the test data. Station number 5 & 6 will modify to carry Rudram 3. This is the same aircraft modified for Astra & NGARM.

Hope I am not sounding negative, but what is RUDRAM III when we have not yet commissioned RUDRAM I and RUDRAM II. (At least to best of my knowledge).

basant · Post by **basant** » 11 Sep 2023 13:47

These are projects going on in parallel rather than in sequential order which is good. There is nothing unusual about it as we have many building blocks already in place, and have enough trained manpower for the task.

bala · Post by **bala** » 11 Sep 2023 20:16

vimal wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 10:35 ^^ You realize that all the content you post here is indexed by Google and search engines and viewable by the public which makes it's moderators and members liable. These are not the times of fake bravado, even if you are quoting from video, make the source clear.

Don't want to belabor this issue and this is my last. // is common notation in programming for comments. YT belongs to google, don't you think they would be liable for publishing such comments on their YT comment section? The belligerent party is the CCP of China and they need to be aware that in military terms their own assets are exposed, this is the cost for their frequent incursions into other nations, tis not bravado, simple tit for tat.

R Charan · Post by **R Charan** » 12 Sep 2023 00:56

India’s Strategic Advancements: From Agni-V to Agni-VI and Beyond

https://www.defencenews.in/2023/09/indi ... nd-beyond/

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Sep 2023 10:23

Bala please don't post irrelevant things in this thread.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 12 Sep 2023 13:05

R Charan wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023 00:56 India’s Strategic Advancements: From Agni-V to Agni-VI and Beyond

https://www.defencenews.in/2023/09/indi ... nd-beyond/

Is there any sort of official confirmation that Agni 6 exists? The article posts a lot of range and payload numbers without any sort of validation. Also doesnt Agni V have a 1650 kg payload?

bala · Post by **bala** » 12 Sep 2023 19:37

Ramana, noted. Please remove since I can't edit.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 Sep 2023 20:59

https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1701576 ... 86008?s=20 ---. Update on the Astra BVRAAM. Trials on the Astra Mk2 coming along well. So far only being tested on the Su-30MKI. "Hot" trials by the end of this year. Range of the Mk2 is 1.5 times that of Mk1. The Astra Mk.3 is still in the concept stage, preliminary work on it has begun.

ashishvikas · Post by **ashishvikas** » 12 Sep 2023 23:55

^^ Hot trials means live firing ?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 13 Sep 2023 00:16

I believe so. The first series of tests might be from ground based launchers, just like with Astra Mk1. The next series of tests will be from the Su-30MKI.

mody · Post by **mody** » 13 Sep 2023 11:36

Rakesh wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023 00:16 I believe so. The first series of tests might be from ground based launchers, just like with Astra Mk1. The next series of tests will be from the Su-30MKI.

Carriage trials on Su-30 have already been carried out and at least one test firing has been conducted. This might have been to test the separation and the resultant effects on the aircraft.
Remember that the Astra-II is ejector launched and not rail launched like Astra-1.
No ground based trials are needed now.
Hot trials probably means against firing against targets.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Sep 2023 02:47

Pratyush wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023 17:50 https://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2D2U-k9ME ... EtYwHAyv44

This channel reports that
Astra Mk1 missiles now cost .7 million USD. As compared to 1 million USD in the past.

And imported cost $2M+ (Russian to French)
Once qty production is in place the cost will drop to $0.25M/copy

bala · Post by **bala** » 14 Sep 2023 08:10

NAG & Helina missiles have completed all trials and process of induction is awaited, according to Indian Defense Analysis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbyr3Gwue58

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 14 Sep 2023 10:55

To paraphrase the famous MajorlyProfound: Helina clears trials every month. Some months, it clears trials twice!

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 14 Sep 2023 17:53

Ship and air-launched anti-ship missiles are being developed indigenously in a big way: G Satheesh Reddy
https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... y-3242118/

mody · Post by **mody** » 14 Sep 2023 17:53

Kersi wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 11:00
Rakesh wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 06:21 https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... 93766?s=20 ---> Excellent news. DRDO is modifying Su-30MKI for flight trails of Rudram 3. Su-30MKI will also integrate KAM 500 data acquisition system for collecting the test data. Station number 5 & 6 will modify to carry Rudram 3. This is the same aircraft modified for Astra & NGARM.
Hope I am not sounding negative, but what is RUDRAM III when we have not yet commissioned RUDRAM I and RUDRAM II. (At least to best of my knowledge).

All the three programs are different. Even though the missiles are named Rudram-I/II and III, they are very different from each other. Don't know why all three are named under the same Rudram family of missiles.

Rudram-I or NGARM is an anti-radiation missile, with a dual pulse motor and a range of 100-160Kms. Has a passive homing RF seeker with possibly a MMW seeker for the final targeting. Has been tested multiple times and is possibly in the LSP stage right now.

Rudram-II is also supposed to be an anti-radiation missile with possibly a version for ground attack against hardened targets. Wiki says will carry a pre-fragmented warhead in the anti-radiation role and blast cum penetration warhead for ground attack role against bunkers or other such targets. Range expected to be close to 300 Kms, with mid course hypersonic speed. Carriage trials of this missile on a Su-30MKI have been carried out. No other publicly available information with regards to tests or trials.

Rudram-III is rumoured to an air launched quasi ballistic missile with a range of approximate 550Kms. Further official information is not available.

The construction, propulsion and other technical details of all the three missiles are completely different.