India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 19 Sep 2023 21:36

A small correction made in line:

A Deshmukh wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 20:48 We should ~~propose~~ demand a Joint Investigation Committee.
And then bring every Khalis terrorist in Kanada under scanner.
And have daily conferences and openly state the free reign of terrorists.
Include Kanishka bombing.

williams · Post by **williams** » 19 Sep 2023 21:38

I think the short-term response is done. We denied the allegation publicly. We expelled a senior staff.

Now it is the question of what can Canada do from here. Nothing really

Trudeau is a lame duck already.

On our side, we have a lot of options to hurt Canada. The MAD-J team will decide when to punch and where to punch.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 19 Sep 2023 21:40

cancel all the kanadian Khalis PIO cards..let them have their khalistan in kanada

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 19 Sep 2023 21:40

Arre Saars.

Why to get chaddis into twist. This is not a misfortune but an opportunity.

Gives us the excuse to squeeze the testimonials of Canada and the five eyes. Don't go after Thoo-Thoo. It will only unite the cannucks.

Go after the state. Vested interests there will screws Thoo-Thoo for us.
Buy more from Russians. Tell the collective West you are pushing us to do this.
Use this excuse to just finish what we really want. Balance West and East to create space for Indiangrowth.

G**d maraye Duniya. Hum bajaye Harmonia

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Sep 2023 21:53

I think this so called Khalistani thing is.more driven by the Anglo dream of dividing India further, it those involved in the drug trade or seeking asylum who perform as the host country wants.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 19 Sep 2023 21:57

VishnuS wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 08:58

Right now, India Canada trade is over $28B with $20B in our favour!

From where did you get these numbers. ET quotes India's exports to Canada at 4 billion with imports also about 4 billion. We don't have any trade surplus.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 19 Sep 2023 22:00

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/cana ... 230919.htm
Canada a hotbed of separatists, requests for deportation ignored: India
PTI, September 19, 2023
At least nine separatist organisations supporting terror groups have their bases in Canada and despite multiple deportation requests Ottawa has taken no action against those involved in heinous crimes, including the killing of popular Punjabi singer Sidhu Moosewala, officials in New Delhi said on Tuesday
They said that pro-Khalistani outfits such as the World Sikh Organization (WSO), Khalistan Tiger Force (KTF), Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) and Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) working at the behest of Pakistan have been allegedly operating freely form the Canadian soil.
They said allegations levelled against India by the Canadian authorities and politicians in relation to the murder of Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a Khalistani terrorist, are incorrect and based on unsubstantiated assumptions.
The issue of deportation of wanted terrorists and gangsters has been raised by Indian authorities at multiple diplomatic and security talks but the Canadian authorities remained non-committal and brazen in support of these terror elements, the officials said.
Multiple sets of dossier have been handed over to the Canadian side but India's deportation requests have gone unaddressed, they said, adding that at least nine separatist organisations supporting terror groups have found their base in Canada.
Eight individuals involved in terror activities and as many gangsters, who have been conspiring with Pakistan's ISI, have found a safe haven in Canada, the officials said.
They said that deportation requests for these people -- including Gurwant Singh who was involved in terrorist activities in early 1990s -- have been pending with the Canadian authorities for years now. An Interpol Red Corner Notice is also pending against him.
The officials said Indian authorities had requested for the deportation of Gurpreet Singh, who is also involved in terror cases, and provided his Canadian address but no action was taken.
They said the request for deportation of dreaded gangsters including Arshdeep Singh alias Arsh Dalla, wanted in 16 criminal cases, and Satinderjit Singh Brar alias Goldy Brar, who owned up responsibility for killing of famous Punjabi singer Sidhu Moosewala, had been submitted with evidence against them but no action was taken by the Canadian government.
The separatist organisations were openly issuing assassination threats, fuelling separatists' agenda and carrying out targeted killings in India, they said.
They pointed out that high the profile assassination of popular singer Sidhu Moosewala by the Canada-based gangster with affiliations to pro-Khalistan elements "is a classic example of this".
......
Gautam

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 Sep 2023 22:06

GoI should openly declare moral support for New France which is a call to secede Quebec province of French speaking majority Canadians in Quebec.

titash · Post by **titash** » 19 Sep 2023 22:08

Mukesh.Kumar wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 21:40 Arre Saars.

Why to get chaddis into twist. This is not a misfortune but an opportunity.

Gives us the excuse to squeeze the testimonials of Canada and the five eyes. Don't go after Thoo-Thoo. It will only unite the cannucks.

Go after the state. Vested interests there will screws Thoo-Thoo for us.
Buy more from Russians. Tell the collective West you are pushing us to do this.
Use this excuse to just finish what we really want. Balance West and East to create space for Indiangrowth.

G**d maraye Duniya. Hum bajaye Harmonia

Putting the "strategic analyst" hat on, here's what I think it will happen:

(a) India will stay calm and play the long game by:
1) Keeping the transactional relationship with US / UK / AUS /CAN with a "it was good while it lasted" attitude

2) Continuing and deepening the strategic engagement with Russia & France

3) Nuclear Tests + MIRV/Hypersonic Demo + Rocket Force/Artillery Modernization --> Settling borders & Negotiating a Peace Treaty with China

4) Signing a secret MoU with Israel & UAE Regime & Saudi Regime guaranteeing security & nuclear assistance if needed

(b) Implications for Canada down the line:
When Canada hosts *active* Khalistani terrorists that *openly* target a 3rd country, it has to EITHER cooperate and bring them to justice OR face repercussions similar to what the Afghan Taliban government did when it hosted Al Qaeda.

The US since 2001 has already set a precedent for "how to bring terrorists to justice when the host government doesn't cooperate". Dozens of wedding parties in KP have been disrupted, and women & children rendered collateral damage, for no fault of theirs other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It's only a matter of time when Russia / China / India have the same level of predator/reaper capability that the US had in 2001. Good luck trying to prevent nuclear weapon states with long range punitive capabilities from bringing terrorists to justice.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 19 Sep 2023 22:28

Some inferences from the whole deal:

- This was planned by the geniuses at Ottawa a while back before G20

- The lowclass PM of Canada came to India, made enough noises to assuage his votebank back in Canada

- He did not have the fortitude to boycott G20, if he saw evidence and trusted his own intel guys because the guy is just a groupie of Tier1 leaders like Biden, Sunak et al and want to be photographed with them like any true influencer.

- Things went really bad when India, (learning from his chaddi-down by Xi about lack of sphincter control during confidential meetings) publicized his nonsense but also publicized the Indian slaps with Modi’s more solid asks about reigning in terrorists among his vote-bank

- The Air-Can-a-doo One debacle at the airport was the yellow-icing on his cake.

So off he goes to Canada, grieving about loss of face and promptly went to town with “revelations” and got the opposition leader no choice but to kowtow to his delusions of grandeur. Clown show

PM Modi comes out looking like the badass who ordered a successful hit right in the heart of western Pooh-baahs. Something even Israel or Russia would think twice before doing. And if not for RaGa’s craven westward orientation, Congress should have been in the forefront of condemning the Indira Gandhi float and Trudy’s BS

So not the 2024 run up the globalist geniuses would have wanted

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Sep 2023 22:54

These couple of articles are good background material to forward to any younger adults who may be thinking of travel to Canada.

Trudeau Canada India

Kanishka bombing background

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Sep 2023 23:32

Poilievre demands Trudeau 'come clean' on intelligence implicating India in Canadian's murder

“The prime minister hasn’t provided any facts. He provided a statement and I want to emphasize that he didn’t tell me any more in private (than) he told Canadians in public, so we want to see more information,” Poilievre said.

Sicanta · Post by **Sicanta** » 19 Sep 2023 23:38

Terry Glavin: After Trudeau alleges murder plot, Canada-India relations may be irreparable

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry- ... rreparable

VishnuS · Post by **VishnuS** » 19 Sep 2023 23:44

Rupesh wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 21:57
VishnuS wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 08:58

Right now, India Canada trade is over $28B with $20B in our favour!
From where did you get these numbers. ET quotes India's exports to Canada at 4 billion with imports also about 4 billion. We don't have any trade surplus.

Sorry, my mistake! We both import and export $4B. I got the wrong numbers....

williams · Post by **williams** » 19 Sep 2023 23:56

eklavya wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 23:32 Poilievre demands Trudeau 'come clean' on intelligence implicating India in Canadian's murder

“The prime minister hasn’t provided any facts. He provided a statement and I want to emphasize that he didn’t tell me any more in private (than) he told Canadians in public, so we want to see more information,” Poilievre said.

Here are some details of the whole murder affair:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... gh-nijjar/

The bottom line these guys don't have any evidence. These guys don't have a clue who enters Canada with fake credentials and many times cross over to the US illegally. How will they have evidence? Further, if this is an intelligence op, there will be no way to make a connection between the action agent and handler. So all this is speculation based on Kalisthani terrorists inside the administration. The one good thing to know is that these terrorists are scared of an Indian op in Canada fo sure.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 20 Sep 2023 00:03

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1704013970246660258

Canadian diplomat olivier sylvestre expelled by India. Olivier has been identified as Canadian Intelligence operative based at the Canadian High Commission in Delhi.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Sep 2023 00:07

Falsdu had no problems taking his own 15 year old son on this trip to a country he now accuses of some involvement in assassination on their own soil. Absolutely a piece of work with no honour or integrity . Lying piece of @rap.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 20 Sep 2023 00:41

At the minimum, if I take Turdeau's allegations at face value, I hope RAW carried out a clean, textbook operation to eliminate an officially blacklisted terrorist. USA has done many such operations and advertises the results publicly.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Sep 2023 00:48

^ That's the point. This person was a designated a terrorist with a cash reward for capture. If an operation was carried out, there would be no reason to not claim credit for it.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 20 Sep 2023 00:51

Article by Terry Galvin posted by Sicanta is very informative. I think this is internecine warfare and revenge killings within the extremist community. Trudeau is being an idi0t if he thinks GoI gets caught up in low level nonsense like this.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 20 Sep 2023 00:56

Sicanta wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 23:38 Terry Glavin: After Trudeau alleges murder plot, Canada-India relations may be irreparable

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry- ... rreparable

This is easily the best, most detailed and balanced article on this sordid matter and lays out the entire context.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Sep 2023 01:00

Why Canadians Should be Worried by Trudeau's Claim

Why did Justin Trudeau go public with his allegations against India? Is he spoiling for a fight with India over the Khalistan issue?
The answer to these questions lies in the nature of Canadian politics, where supporting Khalistanis is considered necessary to win the Sikh vote.
......
Gautam

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 20 Sep 2023 01:10

Sicanta wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 23:38 Terry Glavin: After Trudeau alleges murder plot, Canada-India relations may be irreparable

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry- ... rreparable

This article is a keeper and needs to be widely disseminated around the world. Good to know some faction in Ottawa is thinking clearly and hoping that same faction was the one who advised Poilievre to distance himself today

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 20 Sep 2023 01:42

Right! If anything, it highlights GoI's track 2 efforts to reason with Khalistanis via BJP, which merits support from any sane Govt.

Turdeau has stepped into a minefield armed with blind arrogance and driven by political expediency.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 20 Sep 2023 01:44

That is indeed a more sophisticated commentary on this episode.

Couldn’t open the Globe and Mail article.

As far as I know, the GoI doesn’t operate with such sanctions, at least in democracies. I certainly hope they don’t. And it is true that dozens have been killed in Sikh on Sikh violence on Canadian soil, over drugs, money, females, Khalistan- you name it.

I am puzzled as to why Indian media refers to these people as Sikhs or Khalistanis. The word is Canadians.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 20 Sep 2023 01:49

With proper pronouns if I my add, thanks to bill C16

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Sep 2023 01:50

Cyrano wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 01:49 With proper pronouns if I my add, thanks to bill C16

Good One

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 20 Sep 2023 02:38

g.sarkar wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 01:00 The answer to these questions lies in the nature of Canadian politics, where supporting Khalistanis is considered necessary to win the Sikh vote.

And in order to get their Canadian passports (i.e. claim persecuted minority/refugee status) these vermin need to support Khalistan.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Sep 2023 03:26

Canada has now exposed our Indian official as an RAW officer, thus putting his life at risk:

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 20 Sep 2023 03:47

vera_k wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 00:48 ^ That's the point. This person was a designated a terrorist with a cash reward for capture. If an operation was carried out, there would be no reason to not claim credit for it.

Think again. The reward was for information leading to arrest/capture of this vermin, not for bumping off. Bharat is under no obligation to declare/announce anything. The other country may do whatever investigation...so what ?

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 20 Sep 2023 03:54

eklavya wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 00:51 Article by Terry Galvin posted by Sicanta is very informative. I think this is internecine warfare and revenge killings within the extremist community. Trudeau is being an idi0t if he thinks GoI gets caught up in low level nonsense like this.

Not that simple. Bharat sarkar was very much involved in talks with some of these organizations to peacefully close out this so-called "activism", which led to divisions within these groups....and after that things can be left to imagination. There are many ways to skin a cat.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Sep 2023 03:56

KL Dubey wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 03:47 Think again. The reward was for information leading to arrest/capture of this vermin, not for bumping off. Bharat is under no obligation to declare/announce anything. The other country may do whatever investigation...so what ?

Nominally, Osama bin Laden had a $25 million award for capture. We know how it ended with Obama proudly taking credit for bumping him off. Don't see why this would be any different.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Sep 2023 04:24

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Sep 2023 04:30

https://twitter.com/RajivMessage/status ... 6903628977

Rajiv Malhotra
@RajivMessage
KHALISTAN REGIMENT in Canada’s armed forces?
There is a rumor that Canadian Khalistanis are negotiating with their government to form a Khalistan Regiment in Canada’s armed forces.
If true, it would serve like the British Gurkha Regiment that was deployed around the world to fight tough battles.
Would raise Canada’s global profile & military interventions jointly with its allies.
Worrisome for India if it materialized.
Pls repost and give your suggestion on what India should do.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 20 Sep 2023 04:31

Canadian journalist Daniel Bordman gives an excellent monologue on the whole thing

https://x.com/ranting4canada/status/1704157790887973053

Canada vs India 101:
Both countries have expelled diplomats over the death of Hardeep Singh Nijjar and relations are breaking down. Here's an explanation of why India is mad and why this goes terribly for Canada

Excellent primer to send across to gora friends who got curious, because he speaks the GenZ language well and adds humor to this sordid topic

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 20 Sep 2023 05:08

vera_k wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 03:56
KL Dubey wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 03:47 Think again. The reward was for information leading to arrest/capture of this vermin, not for bumping off. Bharat is under no obligation to declare/announce anything. The other country may do whatever investigation...so what ?
Nominally, Osama bin Laden had a $25 million award for capture. We know how it ended with Obama proudly taking credit for bumping him off. Don't see why this would be any different.

In case of bin Laden, USA had publicly vowed to get him dead or alive many years before they actually got him. Not announcing that they got him would be loss of H&D.

Bharat does not necessarily follow the exact same policy as USA. The same reason why USA declares its numbers of nukular weapons but Bharat does not.

Best explanation is in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=372EhJ01ASI

You can watch the whole thing, but the best part is starting at about 8:20.

Basically, "something happened"....Khalis did not know what hit them.....finally started making some guesses...at this point Turdeau and his pal Hag-meet (this is the Spanish pronunciation, and translates to sh!t-buddy) can indeed go take a dump together.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Sep 2023 05:12

That much is true. I hope now that Canada is called to account for its decades long support of terrorism.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Sep 2023 06:10

One thing this episode does is help expose which individuals are anti-india wolves in sheep's clothing. All such have taken Trudeau's word for it that India is at fault and are berating India. No need for subtle detectors of anti-Indianism; it is out in the open, the masks have slipped.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Sep 2023 06:28

hnair wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 22:28 PM Modi comes out looking like the badass who ordered a successful hit right in the heart of western Pooh-baahs. Something even Israel or Russia would think twice before doing. And if not for RaGa’s craven westward orientation, Congress should have been in the forefront of condemning the Indira Gandhi float and Trudy’s BS

Remember Gerald Bull? He was an actual Canadian, not an imported Khalistani.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Sep 2023 06:47

hnair wrote: ↑19 Sep 2023 22:28 PM Modi comes out looking like the badass who ordered a successful hit right in the heart of western Pooh-baahs. Something even Israel or Russia would think twice before doing. And if not for RaGa’s craven westward orientation, Congress should have been in the forefront of condemning the Indira Gandhi float and Trudy’s BS

The math, per some sources (Parneet Singh (RAW on YT), and Def Talks), is even more interesting. Three were "snatched", one each from Italy, Indonesia, and Malaysia. After which 12 were dispatched, including Nijjar, who was the last. Pannu survived.