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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Sep 2023 16:57

India's diplomatic approach, military records with Canada continue, says Indian Army

While addressing the curtain raiser event on the scheduled Indo-Pacific Army Chiefs conference, Indian Army's Additional Director General (Strategic Planning) Major General Abhinaya Rai said Canada's Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) General Wayne Eyre will be visiting India for the Indo-Pacific Armies Chiefs Conference to be held at Manekshaw Centre, Delhi Cantonment from September 26-27.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 20 Sep 2023 17:10

John Ivison: No public evidence, but plenty of carnage after Trudeau’s India accusations

Trudeau had no choice but to raise the issue with Modi in private. Whether he needed to raise the matter in Parliament, particularly without presenting the evidence, is another matter

But it is apparent that there will be implications from this complete breach of relations for years to come.

In marked contrast with his approach to making public intelligence about Chinese interference in Canada, Trudeau chose to make his statement in the heart of Canadian democracy, the most public of all venues.

He said the complicity of a foreign government in the murder of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil is an unacceptable violation of sovereignty, which clearly it would be if the prime minister’s allegations stand up.

But just as he urged Canadians not to rely on what he called inaccurate intelligence information leaked to the media earlier this year about China, it would be prudent not to rush to judgment now.

India has denied the allegations, calling them “absurd and motivated.” A statement from the Indian government said Canada is trying to shift the focus from “Khalistani terrorists and extremists who have been provided shelter in Canada.”

Nijjar was president of a Sikh temple in B.C., after arriving in Canada in 1997 on a false passport. His refugee claim was reportedly denied, although the government says he was granted citizenship in 2015. What is clear is that he was in favour of an independent Sikh state in Punjab — Khalistan — and that the Indian government believed he was a terrorist, involved in a bombing campaign in Punjab. A warrant was issued for his arrest in India and internationally by Interpol.

The Times of India claimed he ran terror training camps in Mission, B.C., yet he does not appear to have been arrested or charged with anything in Canada. Is that because he is completely innocent, as his supporters claim, or because, as Indian ministers allege, the federal government’s indifference is inspired by “vote-bank politics”? Canada’s 800,000 Sikhs are a decisive voting constituency in B.C.’s Lower Mainland and the Greater Toronto Area.

All of the friction in the relationship, going back at least to Trudeau’s father’s time, has stemmed from what the Indian government’s statement referred to as “the inaction” of successive Canadian governments when it comes to Sikh extremism.

Canada has a proud tradition of freedom of speech and expression but that does not extend to organizing terror training camps. If that allegation is true, Canada is indeed sheltering terrorists.

It’s not just about organising camps. It’s also about raising funding. In most countries, such fund raising is a criminal offence.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 20 Sep 2023 17:18

SSridhar wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 16:57 India's diplomatic approach, military records with Canada continue, says Indian Army
While addressing the curtain raiser event on the scheduled Indo-Pacific Army Chiefs conference, Indian Army's Additional Director General (Strategic Planning) Major General Abhinaya Rai said Canada's Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) General Wayne Eyre will be visiting India for the Indo-Pacific Armies Chiefs Conference to be held at Manekshaw Centre, Delhi Cantonment from September 26-27.

Do such military conferences make sense for India, when Canada asks our military personnel regarding their posting and human rights violations in Kashmir when processing their visa application?

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 20 Sep 2023 18:30

Shared some thoughts on this latest turd-drop by Trudeau in Canadian Parliament.

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Folks, sharing some thoughts on the latest fart that Shri Trudeau Ji let out in the Canadian Parliament not very long ago!

So, where did this begin, one must ask.

Well, the seeds of Canadian support to Khalistan were sowed much before Justin Ji was out of his diapers .. when his own father was the Canadian Prime Minister who not only saw the killing of 300+ Canadian citizens by Canada based terrorists that bombed an Air India plane, but was also the head of the govt that oversaw what I would say a DELIBERATE bungling of the investigation that followed. This is a thread dedicated to that shameful incident.

Remember his 2018 trip to India, the one with fancy costumes and garish dances .. and also that one Khalistani in the entourage who had to be dispatched back after a lot of humiliation at the hands of the GOI?
Well, even if you don’t, it doesn’t matter.

TRUDEAU doesn’t matter!

So he came again to India for G20, only to be kicked in his backside once again for terror factory running from sovereign Canadian territory!

This statement by the MEA on 10 Sep 2023 was perhaps the most BRUTAL they had ever given out!

The lunacy displayed by the idiot who has been elected as the Prime Minister by Canada was there for all to see!

He had no proof!

The ‘investigation’ was ONGOING!

Yes, it was quite a load of TURD that Trudeau let loose in the Canadian Parliament!

Yup, he had to eat his words, dipped into a truckload of humble pie I’d say, perhaps delivered in one of the trucks that participated in the recent truckers’ protest in Canada which this ‘CHAMPION’ of free speech and peaceful protest so brutally suppressed.

But, saannu ki!

If you noticed, the clown once again said that he had no proof. So technically speaking, he chose to expel an Indian diplomat and get a Canadian diplomat expelled in lieu as also get his High Commissioner spanked (perhaps literally too!) in New Delhi!

Trudeau thinks that he needs Khalistanis to last till the end of his term in 2025, and that he should do everything they want. But someone with even an average IQ would have realised that even the Khalistanis need him, in order to stay in power themselves!

And then there is the China angle!

Against India, it is only and only speculation .. but against China .. well ..

No wonder, Canada is the laughing stock of the world!

But then, where do we go from here?

That’s an interesting question, no?

So on the question of what comes next, well Canada will eat crow for sure. Indicators are already in place with Shri Trudeau Ji having made the grovelling ‘Non-Apology’ less than 24 hours after the wild allegations!

So here is what WILL happen. Firstly, the Khalistanis will be further emboldened.

Heck, Canada based terrorists have already committed one murder in India within hours of Trudeau’s ‘Trud-Drop’ in Canadian Parliament : On Cam: Congress Leader Shot Dead in Punjab, Canad-based Khalistani Terrorist Claims Responsibility

Since Canada has already DEMANDED Indian cooperation in the killing of Nijjar, would they not be willing to ‘cooperate’ in the murder of an Indian politician inside his home, with a Canadian Khalistani citizen having gleefully announced his role in it?

Or would they try and be selective, while Trudeau shields his Khalistani brethren for the sake of the votes that they throw back at him?

Does that not make Canada a State Sponsor of Terror?

Don’t worry, I am not asking you to answer that question.

But that said, It would gladden my heart no end to see the GOI ask Canada to bring that ******** to justice for having VERIFIABLY committed a crime inside India, unlike the mere allegations that Trudeau and his Foreign Minister were crying hoarse about.

Will Canada oblige?

On the diplomatic ‘pinging and ponging’, I would say that the GOI wouldn’t do anything more, atleast overtly and atleast for the time being. But .. expect more focussed and sustained pressure from India on Canada now onwards on all issues, not just Khalistan.

The sanctimonious ******** have already been given a glimpse of their Aukaat in the recent days.

It now needs to be hammered down their heads. Lack of support for this latest bout lunacy by Canada from fellow white countries has also been duly noted, btw.

In the end, all I will say is that yesterday was a beautiful Ganesh Chaturthi, heralding many new beginnings, right from inauguration of the new Parliament building to the expulsion of a Canadian diplomat from India!

Ganpati Bappa Morya!

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 20 Sep 2023 18:50

While all this fracas is going on can't help thinking the shame these K-stanis bring to India... providing more incentive and use case for BIF to carry on exploiting our differences... its the equivalent of a market opening up for chaos investors...

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 20 Sep 2023 19:14

Khalistanis are neither true Sikhs nor Indians. Like I said a couple of pages back, Turdeau has put Khalistani terrorism out in the open and this will help us test who really are our friends and walk the talk when it comes to fighting global terrorism.

Time India starts demanding Canada to be put in FATF grey list.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2023 19:32

sanjayc wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 17:18
SSridhar wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 16:57 India's diplomatic approach, military records with Canada continue, says Indian Army

Do such military conferences make sense for India, when Canada asks our military personnel regarding their posting and human rights violations in Kashmir when processing their visa application?

sanjayc ji,

India is a pivotal part of the QUAD.

Under the circumstances, if India decides to put it's foot down and exclude kaneda, there is nothing much that anyone can do, in fact, much to the contrary, many other countries may even agree with the stand that India has taken.

Many years ago, despite an extradition agreement (commonwealth) with kaneda, they refused to repatriate a (Indian citizen) khalistani terrorist accused of murder in punjab, and the reason stated by kaneda was very silly, it was that the queen is not the head of India unlike kaneda where the queen is the head. It was essentially a "couldn't careless, f(uk you, brush off" These canucks are hyper hypocritical and extra racist whites who continue to look down upon a brown India

The QUAD is not a wedding party overture where the invitation reads "Mr so and so and family"

The amrikis have brought in the britshits, the germans have gate crashed, as have the french, and the canucks

If the situation with trudeau worsens, that kaneda military guy may well find himself shut out and uninvited at the very last moment

kaneda is a mere mosquito, when compared to India, and the G7 is a meaningless descriptor under the current geopolitical scenario. If India has to jettison kaneda, it will. They do not contribute much to our exchequer, whereas India pays heavy money in the form of student fees to keep their educational ecosystem afloat. The khalistanis from punjab can enter kaneda via greece for all we care.

may be we should query if the visa applicant from kaneda fought in any of the gulf wars, and refuse the visa request, if the answer is in the affirmative

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Sep 2023 20:05

Kanada is becoming a hot bed of terrorism encouraging hatred and violence against Hindus even encouraging murder of state officials .. how is this "freedom of expression" by any yard stick ?!!

Kanada needs to be dragged into FATF for supporting terrorism.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2023 20:41

It's not the mafia govt now with eyetaalian overtones

This is in response to the kaneda travel advisory

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 20 Sep 2023 20:44

drnayar wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:05
Kanada is becoming a hot bed of terrorism encouraging hatred and violence against Hindus even encouraging murder of state officials .. how is this "freedom of expression" by any yard stick ?!!

Kanada needs to be dragged into FATF for supporting terrorism.

Dr. Nayar,

If I may indugle, Canada has always been a hotbed of sikh terrorism. I'm old enough to remember the 80's and I am sure there are folks on here that remember even earlier days.

The US is not immune either. There are enough Khalistanis in California in the Bakersfield, central valley, farming areas. I hope the fbi isn't just paying lipservice to these people.

My worst experiences, during travel, have occurred in Canada. Not a country that is ever on my bucket list.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2023 20:51

why didn't kaneda extradite nijjar back to India for crimes comitted by him in India while he was an Indian citizen

This scum died in a gang related khalistani criminal hit

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Sep 2023 20:51

chetak wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:41 It's not the mafia govt now with eyetaalian overtones

This is in response to the kaneda travel advisory

politically condoned violence and hate crimes ..would sound like a banana republic..but there it is "developed" country !!..my a$$

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2023 21:24

Don't miss this video

Daniel Bordman@Ranting4Canada · Sep 19

Canada vs India 101:
Both countries have expelled diplomats over the death of Hardeep Singh Nijjar and relations are breaking down. Here's an explanation of why India is mad and why this goes terribly for Canada

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2023 21:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5sYXYeEOU

Global Left undermining India: How Justin Trudeau's wokeism makes him take insane decisions

1,704 views Streamed live 2 hours ago 'Reality Bytes' Interviews with Nupur J Sharma

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has recently accused India of killing a Khalistani terrorist, Hardeep Nijjar, on Canadian soil. Trudeau provided no proof for his allegations and created a diplomatic storm that has only worsened the ties between the two nations. What makes Justin Trudeau indulge in such shenanigans? Why has he been pandering to Khalistani terrorists? Has his Woke politics got something to do with it?

Nupur J Sharma, the Editor-in-Chief of OpIndia, chats with Daniel Bordman about the global Left undermining India. Bordman is a Senior correspondent for The National Telegraph.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2023 22:02

WA

In 2020, Trudeau cheered on farmers blockading highways near New Delhi.

But while defending protesters’ rights half a world away, Trudeau declared a national emergency in Canada last year to quash blockades of Canadians peacefully protesting his vaccination policy.

The stunning hypocrisy has not been forgotten in New Delhi.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 20 Sep 2023 22:11

Canada does serve a useful function as a dumping ground for all the junkies from Punjaab. Lets not make them more mad, we need to lighten the population load on India abd get rid of all the crap.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Sep 2023 22:40

vimal wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 22:11 Canada does server a useful function as a dumping ground for all the junkies from Punjaab. Lets not make them more mad, we need to lighten the population load on India abd get rid of all the crap.

However, Canada is providing cover to allow terrorists to travel to India.

Entry requirements needs to be tightened up. Something simple as -

1. Canadians naturalized within the past 20 years are not eligible for entry into India.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 20 Sep 2023 22:59

^^ Something like that should be easy to implement. Even visa with a max stay of 5 day rule can help. Unless it is an official visit or trade delegation.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Sep 2023 23:04

And it gets worse

Just like how his dad stymied indian efforts at the kanishka bombing tragedy the falsedu now stymies indian efforts at reconciliation !!!

What a creature !

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 816967.cms

The Justin Trudeau government torpedoed efforts by New Delhi to reach out to separatists Sikhs in Canada bowing to pressure from extremist Khalistanis, a Canadian commentator has revealed, amid growing scrutiny of Ottawa's purported indulgence and patronage of militants.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 20 Sep 2023 23:40

SSridhar wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 07:36 Still do not understand why this fool is seeking support from Five Eyes? A White Supremacist thingie?

On the face of it this would indicate either a partial or whole GOI communication being intercepted by the SIGNIT network operated by the 5 eyes. Thus it cannot be fully shared with others including other G7 members as it would compromise sources and methods. But clearly this by itself does not complete the evidence chain and hence no evidence has been produced.

Alternate theory is that the reference to 5 eyes by JT is a red herring and he is in a "tree shakedown" mode to see if anything drops. That all that he has at this point in time is a report from his Khalistani partners. Hence the wording ,"credible allegation" and no proof. They have not been able to identify the perpetrators let alone arrest them to build a case that would stand up in a court of law.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 20 Sep 2023 23:52

^^ I won’t be surprised if this turns out to be a property dispute between biraders. If this is “really investigated” the reason could be really a criminal case and nothing more. This Nijjar dude was disallowed from Canadian citizenship multiple times due to fraud. How and why he survived in Canada needs to be investigated.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 00:02

chetak wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:41 WA

Extraordinary statement from MEA.

Such harsh language not even used for Pakistan. “𝗽𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆-𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱𝗼𝗻𝗲𝗱 𝗵𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝘃𝗶𝗼𝗹𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗖𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗱𝗮”.

This effectively directly accuses @JustinTrudeau, @cafreeland, & @melaniejoly of instigating violence & terrorism.

williams · Post by **williams** » 21 Sep 2023 00:13

ldev wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 23:40
SSridhar wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 07:36 Still do not understand why this fool is seeking support from Five Eyes? A White Supremacist thingie?
On the face of it this would indicate either a partial or whole GOI communication being intercepted by the SIGNIT network operated by the 5 eyes. Thus it cannot be fully shared with others including other G7 members as it would compromise sources and methods. But clearly this by itself does not complete the evidence chain and hence no evidence has been produced.

Alternate theory is that the reference to 5 eyes by JT is a red herring and he is in a "tree shakedown" mode to see if anything drops. That all that he has at this point in time is a report from his Khalistani partners. Hence the wording ,"credible allegation" and no proof. They have not been able to identify the perpetrators let alone arrest them to build a case that would stand up in a court of law.

They used 5 eyes to find out how a petty criminal got murdered. That will make Canada a corroborator of Kalistani Terrorists, and India can treat them like Pakis in every world forum. But I think Justin has some hearsay information from his soft Kalistani friends. His racist arrogance, made him speak in the parliament to get some publicity. Except he does not understand the current Indian administration and the social media power of the Indian diaspora. He is going to lose big here and Canada is going to lose any leftover credibility.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 01:02

The MEA statement stopped short of calling Canada a state sponsor of terrorism. If Turdeau continues like this the next statement from MEA will say just that.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Sep 2023 01:07

Not being interested in politics, I am amazed at how unpopular Trudeau is in Canada.

This affair is focussing more attention on certain elements in the Sikh community, the usual teensie weenie numbers. I am surprised at the vitriolic views being put on social media.

The Sikh vote is already being used to mock Trudeau. It is going to become a liability for politicians to be seen courting it.

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 21 Sep 2023 01:14

These two warrant some attention.

Jagmeet Singh.
https://www.ndp.ca/jagmeet

His bibi.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-lea ... -1.5544771

Their twitter and instagram is rife with garbage.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Sep 2023 02:01

ldev wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 23:40 On the face of it this would indicate either a partial or whole GOI communication being intercepted by the SIGNIT network operated by the 5 eyes. Thus it cannot be fully shared with others including other G7 members as it would compromise sources and methods. But clearly this by itself does not complete the evidence chain and hence no evidence has been produced.

Let us make the big assumption that Trudeau is not an idiot, and weighed his words carefully.

What Trudeau said: " “credible allegations of a potential link between agents of the Government of India and the killing of a Canadian citizen".

Did SIGINT intercept someone "credible" who in that intercept said that GOI is involved? That might be a "credible allegation".

Or did SIGINT intercept some actual chatter between someone and GOI official that produces a link? That would be "credible evidence" perhaps, and not "credible allegations".

Second, what is it that Trudeau wants the Indian government to do? Confirm some SIGINT? How?

Give the travel and communication records of someone to the Canadian government? Surely the Canadians already have that for while the assassins were in Canada.

Let them interrogate someone? Get that person's bank records? etc. etc. -- Why would India let that given Canadian non-cooperation with respect to Khalistanis?

Also: "credible allegations of a link" vs "credible allegations of a potential link" are rather different too.
Now, two relevant parties are (the two assassins and the person who drove their car) call them A, and (agents of the GOI) B.

"Credible allegations of a link" means "credible allegations that A & B are linked".
"Credible allegations of a potential link" means "credible allegations that A & B may be linked".

If some reputable Canadian investigator says "A & B are linked" that is a credible allegation of a link.

If the same person says instead, "A & B may be linked" that is a credible allegation of a potential link -- but that the Surrey Police, and the IHIT squad investigating the murder have said from the very start - at least, that they cannot rule that out; and the question remains what does Trudeau expect GOI to do about that?

It is easier to suppose that Trudeau is an idiot.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Sep 2023 02:30

Anant wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:44If I may indugle, Canada has always been a hotbed of sikh terrorism.

Could we please use ~~sikh~~ Kahlistani terrosim instead?

Anant wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:44 My worst experiences, during travel, have occurred in Canada. Not a country that is ever on my bucket list.

My experience as well. I traveled there when I was permanent resident of the US for several years. It was to help my sister's family to move back to India permanently. I was held back and was subjected to some stupid questioning for 30 minute by a Canadian immigration official (paper pushing clerk really) in a backroom. He was asking questions like "why are you going to India via Canada?", "What are you doing in the US?" (He knew very well that I was a grad student), etc. My ride was anxiously waiting outside. I was supposed to come out and hop into the car. My friend didn't even park, just waiting in the pick-up lane. This was back in 1993. I am not a Sikh and I do not have a name that ends with Singh. My last name could be Punjabi or UP or Gujju or Marathi or Kannada.

A decade back my whole family was in Canada to see the Canadian Niagara Falls. My family was not impressed. SHQ's impression was that the roads are narrow, food extremely bland, and everything is more expensive (value for money metric). Overall I would not go back to Canada.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 02:44

A_Gupta Ji,
See the Nupur's interview with a Canadian posted above.
There are still some people in the Canadian establishment who believe Kanishka was bombed by India!
Turdeau is going by what was fed to him by people who he chose to surround himself with.
He doesn't seem to be capable of thinking beyond the expediency of the day.

This whole year there were umpteen meetings with G20 NSAs. This never came up.
Like I said before Turdeau has jackshit in terms of evidence.
If he thinks GoB will do a mea-culpa based on his half-assed statement - that ain't happening.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 03:02

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 02:30 Could we please use ~~sikh~~ Kahlistani terrosim instead?

Saar,
When Turdeau has hit the fan, at some point one has to ask the question is the Sikh community totally unaware or uncaring of what's happening?

Hagmeet Singh has that clout because enough number of Sikhs are voting for him and he is not hiding his agenda.

Who are all the hundreds of turbaned people in every Khalistani rally? How many gurdwaras have proscribed Bhindranwale's posters and spoken out in public against this highjacking of their cult? Even now?

At what point does silence become tolerance, tacit support, vocal support, funding, logistics support, and ultimately active participation in separatist and terrorist crimes?

Frankly this type of defence is starting to go the islamic way. The patience of Bharatiya Janata is wearing thin. The day won't be far when the Sikh community will face the consequences of this heads I win tails you lose attitude.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 03:25

Bharat should stop apologizing for operation blue star. If the Sikh community in sufficient numbers did not aid and abet a terrorist like Bhindranwale who had the gall and the brazenness to defile a holy place of worship, get scores of guns inside, erect sandbags, dump arms into the holy pond and fire indiscriminately on soldiers who even then took off their shoes knowing their feet would get ripped on broken glass strewed everywhere, if this terrorist scum and his followers did not spill first blood, did not collude with Pakistan to dismember Bharat which always respected and held it's own sword arm to high esteem, then there would have been no need for Operation blue star. They brought it upon themselves.

If anything they owe their own community and the Hindu smaaj a huge, unconditional apology and must take a solemn oath to never again stray from the panth exemplified by the Gurus as defenders of Hindu faith against all enemies - their raison d'être.

Only when the Sikh community stops thinking of themselves as a separate religion will this needless madness and getting manipulated by xtians and Muslims stop.

Wahe Guru ki jai ! Har Har Mahadev !

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Sep 2023 03:28

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/f ... deau-0416/

First Lady Wild Child: Margaret Trudeau
She danced at Studio 54, hung out with the Rolling Stones, and cut a stylish path through the 1970s. Now, Canada's unconventional former first lady—and whose son is the country's new prime minister—is back in the spotlight.

Margaret's relationship with Pierre was passionate but fraught. "We had this hugely intergenerational marriage," she says. "I was hardly a woman, in my early 20s, and he was a very urbane, sophisticated intellectual in his early 50s." They first met in Tahiti when she was 19 and on vacation with her family; Pierre was then Canada's minister of justice.

However, any hopes for a quiet split were dashed a few days before her departure when Margaret went to see the Rolling Stones play a private concert in Toronto and wound up hanging out with the band until dawn. "We played dice until about five in the morning, in my hotel suite," she says. "Smoked some dope, talked. It was a good night, and it was my new world. But no one knew I was separated from my husband yet, and it brought a huge scandal." By the time she got to New York, the press had caught wind that something was amiss; upon her arrival at Avedon's studio, a group of reporters had already assembled outside his door. Rumors circulated that she'd had a fling with a member of the Stones, long thought to be Mick Jagger or Ron Wood. "I spent the night with the Rolling Stones, no question, but it was certainly not Mick Jagger. And that's all we'll say about that," she says. (In Wood's 2007 memoir, Ronnie, he wrote of Margaret, "We had a wonderful time and her husband's name never came up.")

Margaret barreled through the late 1970s on a path intended for self-discovery; to an outsider, it looked more like self-destruction. She dated Ryan O'Neal and Jack Nicholson, spent days at Warhol's Factory, and frequently chaperoned Truman Capote home to bed. On the same night in 1979 that her husband's party was crushed in the Canadian election, Margaret—by then publicly separated from Pierre—was photographed dancing ecstatically at Studio 54.

Margaret with a busboy at Studio 54, 1979

"Justin is our politician," Margaret says proudly over escargot and vitello tonnato at Maison Boulud in the Ritz-Carlton, oblivious to the eyes of virtually every diner in the restaurant fixed upon her. "He has a deep warmth in him. He wants to know about people, he wants to be inside their minds. His path—whether it is luck or coincidence—is that he is just one of those golden people." He also seems to have inherited her easygoing charm—and, as she points out, her hair ("he certainly doesn't have his dad's," she says).

This is not to blame Ms. Maragaret Trueadue. Justin T. might have had a difficult childhood on top of being entitled and all that. All that Brutish/Scottish/Irish baggage must be weighing him down with a strange mixture of guilt and narcissm.

His dad was also somwhat of a namoona looks like - hobnobbing with Jimmy Carter and other elite white left liberals of that era.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Sep 2023 03:34

Cyrano wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 01:02 The MEA statement stopped short of calling Canada a state sponsor of terrorism. If Turdeau continues like this the next statement from MEA will say just that.

Maybe that was what was conveyed to the Canadian HighComm in his one minute meeting at MEA and hence his angry tantrums with the reporters.

Kedar · Post by **Kedar** » 21 Sep 2023 03:41

It was in summer of 2005 when my wife and I were on a vacation to Peru. We stayed at a lodge on the outskirts of the Amazon jungle. Met a nice Canadian family staying there. Husband and wife were university professors. Only child a son was in his late teens and also seem quite bright. They were well versed in history. However, when I mentioned the bombing of Kanishka they were like deer caught in a headlight. Nothing racial or bias or anything like that. Canadians were clueless about the worst terrorist attack arising in their own country. The Professor even asked me if I was talking about the Lockerbie bombing. Said no it was en route from Montreal to London.

After this talkdown I am sure a hundred times as many people in Canada are aware of the bombing. Today one has to live under the rock there to not hear about that bombing in 1986.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 21 Sep 2023 05:02

We thought 2024 Indian election distraction will come from NGO's ("the soros donkeys"), We may need to recalibrate that the real distraction actually may come from a duly elected Government reps? With NGO's failing to gain any traction, they now are pushing Governments to be the agent of chaos?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Sep 2023 05:13

Not really. This will likely make people rally around Modi and the flag.

The answer lies in the Trudeau’s electoral calculus. Perhaps Sikhs are revolting.

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 21 Sep 2023 05:27

Kedar wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 03:41 It was in summer of 2005 when my wife and I were on a vacation to Peru. We stayed at a lodge on the outskirts of the Amazon jungle. Met a nice Canadian family staying there. Husband and wife were university professors. Only child a son was in his late teens and also seem quite bright. They were well versed in history. However, when I mentioned the bombing of Kanishka they were like deer caught in a headlight. Nothing racial or bias or anything like that. Canadians were clueless about the worst terrorist attack arising in their own country. The Professor even asked me if I was talking about the Lockerbie bombing. Said no it was en route from Montreal to London.

After this talkdown I am sure a hundred times as many people in Canada are aware of the bombing. Today one has to live under the rock there to not hear about that bombing in 1986.

Kedar Sir,

Summer 1985. A horrible year for aviation. Kanishka, JAL and Delta, all happened that summer. The latter 2 not bombs. May the victims get full justice.

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 21 Sep 2023 05:28

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 02:30
Anant wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:44If I may indugle, Canada has always been a hotbed of sikh terrorism.
Could we please use ~~sikh~~ Kahlistani terrosim instead?
Anant wrote: ↑20 Sep 2023 20:44 My worst experiences, during travel, have occurred in Canada. Not a country that is ever on my bucket list.
My experience as well. I traveled there when I was permanent resident of the US for several years. It was to help my sister's family to move back to India permanently. I was held back and was subjected to some stupid questioning for 30 minute by a Canadian immigration official (paper pushing clerk really) in a backroom. He was asking questions like "why are you going to India via Canada?", "What are you doing in the US?" (He knew very well that I was a grad student), etc. My ride was anxiously waiting outside. I was supposed to come out and hop into the car. My friend didn't even park, just waiting in the pick-up lane. This was back in 1993. I am not a Sikh and I do not have a name that ends with Singh. My last name could be Punjabi or UP or Gujju or Marathi or Kannada.

A decade back my whole family was in Canada to see the Canadian Niagara Falls. My family was not impressed. SHQ's impression was that the roads are narrow, food extremely bland, and everything is more expensive (value for money metric). Overall I would not go back to Canada.

Point taken and happy to use Khalistani terrorism.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Sep 2023 05:29

Noted that Trudeau may have surrounded himself with people who feed him rubbish information.

I have one more objection though -- if Trudeau can make an international uproar about "credible allegations of a potential link" of Nijjar's assassins to agents of the GOI, then what are all the Interpol Red Notices and extradition notices that India has provided, some of them for Indian passport holders hiding out in Canada?

Though they are allegations of actual links to crimes, Trudeau's actions prove that all these do not even rise to the level of credible allegations of potential links to crimes. That is the message that he is sending to the world.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 21 Sep 2023 05:30

krithivas wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 05:02 We thought 2024 Indian election distraction will come from NGO's ("the soros donkeys"), We may need to recalibrate that the real distraction actually may come from a duly elected Government reps? With NGO's failing to gain any traction, they now are pushing Governments to be the agent of chaos?

Possible seeing how the new US ambassador in Delhi is putting his foot in the mouth. I mean, the USA has had a couple of decades to issue a cease and desist to Canada over its support for terror against India. These terrorists would be safe and sound in a Canadian jail if their government had acted. But if that was the intent, this was the wrong issue to pick on