India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2023 21:16

There are a few aspects of the whole affair that don't make any sense to me.

What is the Trudeau's endgame in all this?

Why is his party tolerating him?

Is Trudeau's hold on his party so strong that he will not be removed by them?

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Sep 2023 21:18

Was listening to AAMitra
Was suggesting that everybody in all forums should resist using the terms Khalistani/Separatist and rather call them as Interpol recognised Criminals
Referring them as secessionist give a cloak of respectability to them.
As most would agree these guys are just criminals who escaped to Kaneda and claim refugee status on religious grounds.
Their main funda seems drugs/supari killings/gun running and when get caught claim they are fighiting for Khalisthan

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Sep 2023 21:20

Pratyushji
Jolly madam maybe trying to push him over the cliff.
She is very opininated/woke chadi/power hungry Madam!!
Who knows Trud may get kicked out

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 21:21

Pratyush wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 21:16 There are a few questions about the whole affair that don't make any sense to me.

What is the Trudeau's endgame in all this?

Why is his party tolerating him?

Is Trudeau's hold on his party so strong that he will not be removed by them?

Pratyush ji,

looks like someone in the kaneda intelligence community, at the behest of a political rival, may have sold justinder a pup

and one thought that such games were played only in the Indian subcontinent

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Sep 2023 21:23

Storm in the Indo-Pacific: Fallout From Canada’s Clash With India
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/st ... lash-india
20 Sept 2023

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Sep 2023 21:24

A new angle. Maybe Trudeau is working for China to unravel Indo-Pacific

Avid · Post by **Avid** » 21 Sep 2023 21:26

Folks - any assumption regarding R&AW being directly or indirectly involved in any of these killings is presumptuous.

As with any extremism movements -- they operate in nexus with criminal activities such as human trafficking, arms trafficking and drug trafficking. There is a well documented trail of criminal gangs operating in Canada.

For all we know Nijjar, and others were killed in gang warfare. The murder was conducted in classic gang murder approach.

If you want to know more about the organized crime gangs in Canada affiliated with Khalistanis -- do take a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Cana ... ized_crime

IMHO, Trudeau is conveniently blaming India for what is essentially a deteriorating domestic law and order situation and out and out gang warfare. At the same time, taking heat off his ignoring the Chinese influence campaigns within Canada.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 21:54

"Cold Terror will shock the conscience of a nation. In terrifying detail, it shows how the world’s terrorists have made themselves at home in Canada—and how they have been made welcome by cowardly politicians."

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Terror-Nurt ... 0470840560

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Sep 2023 22:43

Pratyush wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 20:08
A_Gupta wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 11:59 ^^^^ Haha, all we need are credible allegations of a potential link of Trudeau’s plane and narcotics.
Apparently, hard drugs are legal in Canada.

So this is not going to cause any incident.

Not really legal. AFAIK, one province only.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/over ... nalization

What changes
Health Canada granted an exemption under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act to the Province of B.C. This is effective from January 31, 2023 to January 31, 2026.

Under this exemption, adults (18 years and older) in B.C. are not arrested or charged for possessing small amounts of certain illegal drugs for personal use. The illegal drugs covered by the exemption are:

Opioids (such as heroin, morphine, and fentanyl)
Crack and powder cocaine
Methamphetamine (Meth)
MDMA (Ecstasy)
Adults found in personal possession of any combination of these illegal drugs that adds up to a combined total of 2.5 grams or less are not subject to arrest or criminal charges and the drugs are not seized. Instead, they are offered information about health and social supports. This includes support with making a referral to local treatment and recovery services, if requested.

The exemption does not apply to K-12 schools, licensed childcare facilities, playgrounds, splash pads, wading pools, and skate parks.

What remains illegal
Possession of:

A combined total of more than 2.5 grams of the exempted illegal drugs
Any amount of other illegal drugs not included in the exemption
Decriminalization is not legalization. Under this exemption, illegal drugs (including those listed above) are not legalized and will not be sold in stores. Unless otherwise authorized under the CDSA, drug production, trafficking, import and export remain illegal, regardless of the type or amount of drug(s) in possession.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2023 22:45

As an outsider, one learns something new everyday.

Thanks.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2023 22:47

RsjeshS wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 21:18 Was listening to AAMitra
Was suggesting that everybody in all forums should resist using the terms Khalistani/Separatist and rather call them as Interpol recognised Criminals
Snip.....

I think that the government of India has already taken that track.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2023 23:01

https://youtu.be/Qt2AuVQKpq0?si=INHjPMQ1GbuYlpRA

The you tube link above was published by the Telegraph. It's title is Canada's woke nightmare : A warning to the western world.

It's a collection of interviews of people from different walks of life. Including one emigrant Indian Sikh family. His drawing room has a picture of goddess Saraswati prominently displayed.

That has to be the most frightening thing to a Khalistani.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Sep 2023 23:02

This below may be the Sukhdool Singh alias Sukha Dunuke murder.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/this- ... -wednesday

1. This is very recent news in the source. Just how many murders occur in Winnipeg? But the name and cause of death have not been released.

2. The location is a residential area very close to the Gurdwara Kalgidhar Darbar per Google maps.

3. One has to wonder at the speed of the Indian grapevine. Some local must have posted something on a social media account about the murder, and desi monitoring picked it up.

News-item:

A man was killed in a home on Hazleton Drive off of King Edward Street on Wednesday morning.

Winnipeg Police Service officers were called to the 200 block of the street at about 10 a.m., where they found a man dead. His body was taken to hospital, where an autopsy is pending. Police have not said how he’s believed to have died.

Police say they are working on notifying the victim’s family of his death and have not yet released his name or age. Homicide detectives are investigating but have made no arrests.

Police have asked anyone with information or video surveillance to call detectives at 204-986-6508 or Crime Stoppers anonymously at 204-786-8477.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 23:24

"Singer Shubhneet Singh’s Still Rollin Tour for India stands cancelled.

To that end, BookMyShow has initiated a complete refund of the ticket amount for all consumers who had purchased tickets for the show

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 21 Sep 2023 23:36

nits wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 11:40 His name also figured in a list of forty persons released by the NIA on Tuesday for allegedly being involved in terror-related activities.

I dont know if the NIA released a most-wanted-list or a bounty list

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 22 Sep 2023 00:00

Good discussion

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 22 Sep 2023 00:12

RsjeshS wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 21:18 Was listening to AAMitra
Was suggesting that everybody in all forums should resist using the terms Khalistani/Separatist and rather call them as Interpol recognised Criminals
Referring them as secessionist give a cloak of respectability to them.
As most would agree these guys are just criminals who escaped to Kaneda and claim refugee status on religious grounds.
Their main funda seems drugs/supari killings/gun running and when get caught claim they are fighiting for Khalisthan

Disagree with AIM on this. There is no reason not to call a turd a turd. These are Khalistani Separatist Terrorists. calling them Interpol criminals equates them with muggers and cheats. They are far, far worse.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Sep 2023 00:21

Pratyush wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 21:16 There are a few aspects of the whole affair that don't make any sense to me.

What is the Trudeau's endgame in all this?

Why is his party tolerating him?

Is Trudeau's hold on his party so strong that he will not be removed by them?

Trudeau is a mentally vacuous idiot whose economic mismanagement have left his countrymen gasping for relief.
His IQ is on part with Kamala Harris. No wonder he's a darling of the western Left.
He takes after his flighty starlet mother, rather than his prime minister father. His only prior experience was as a drama teacher.
So he's Canada's Pappu.

He depends on Khalistani Jagmeet for outside support to his govt in parliament.
Jagmeet Singh Dhaliwal is another fool, having removed his surname and shortened his name to just Singh, in order to be "born again" puritan.

Neither of these idiots knows how to fix the economy, which has been damaged by their own ineptitude.

Therefore, these two grifters have had to cook up this "foreign hand" stunt as a distraction to their own misdoings at home.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 22 Sep 2023 00:29

How the Khalistanis and Jagmeet Singh captured the New Democratic Party (NDP) is a fascinating story. Canada has three national parties, the Conservatives, Liberals and the NDP. The NDP never has and never will get enough votes to form a Federal Government and and as a result internal party processes are easy going. The NDP has traditionally been the party of blue collar workers.

In the 2015 Federal elections, the Liberals led by Trudeau won an absolute majority. There are 338 seats in the House of Commons, so a majority is 169 seats. In 2017 the leader of the NDP stepped down, they had only 10 seats in Parliament at that point in time and Jagmeet Singh stood as a candidate to become the leader of the NDP. For 6 years before that Jagmeet Singh was a Member of the Legislative Assembly in the Province of Ontario where his most notable achievement was:

Yet one of Jagmeet Singh’s most notable accomplishments as a lawmaker was to initiate a motion in the Ontario legislature last year declaring India a state that committed a genocide. The motion refers to three days in 1984: after two Sikh bodyguards assassinated Indian PM Indira Gandhi the country witnessed a spasm of mob violence not seen since the partition of India – about 3,000 Sikhs lost their lives.

This is notwithstanding that a Provincial Legislature has nothing whatsoever to do with international relations.

Individuals who are members of a party can vote in the party elections to appoint a new leader. The minimum annual membership for all the parties is in the $10-$25 range per annum. But what is interesting is that one can become a member literally weeks before a party election, pay the fee for that year and after the election is over and your favored candidate is elected, you can let your membership lapse.

In March of 2017 the NDP had a total of ~43,000 members, the majority of them blue collar workers who were mostly members of various labor unions.

Jagmeet Singh stood as a candidate and organized a membership drive in March of that year by distributing publicity material in all the gurudwaras in Canada. Of the 83,000 new members signed up in a 3 month period, Jagmeet Singh claimed 70,000 members. When party elections were held in late summer/early Fall of that year the NDP membership rolls had swelled from ~43,000 to ~124,000!! During the actual elections about 65,000 votes were cast of which Jagmeet Singh got ~35,000. Since he had got more than 50% of the votes he won the party election on the first ballot.

If he signed up 70,000 members and even if they paid an average of C$20 for each membership, Jagmeet Singh captured the NDP for an outlay of less than C$1.5 million.

As luck would have it for him, when the Federal elections of 2019 were held, the Liberals under Trudeau got the largest number of seats, about 157, but fell short of a majority by about 10 seats. That is when the NDP with Jagmeet Singh started supporting the Liberals with a definite quid pro quo for Khalistan support from the Liberal Government. But things were still not blatantly out of control

In 2021 with Covid still raging Trudeau called early snap elections hoping to regain a majority but the election results were a virtual stalemate with each party's tally virtually unchanged and so Trudeau had to go to Jagmeet Singh again for support. I would imagine that the cost for such support must have been higher this time around and hence a much more pronounced support for Khalistani causes in the current Liberal Government.

So the NDP has been hijacked by the Khalistanis and with less than 10% of the seats in the House of Commons they effectively control the India policy of the Liberal Government.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 22 Sep 2023 00:47

https://www.youtube.com/live/Roe-45WV3g ... UMOiydicIy

Turdeau has got jackshit ! But we knew that already
Good to see him getting grilled

Avid · Post by **Avid** » 22 Sep 2023 00:57

Jagmeet Singh started his career as a criminal defense attorney.

Does anyone know if his clients were members of the Khalistani gangs?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 22 Sep 2023 01:34

That’s a great background on this national politician jagmeet Singh and how he came to the NDP office. How many NDP left when he was elected by his caste members ?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 22 Sep 2023 01:43

I have another question (or suggestion), why not non-khalistanis join NDP, recall (and if recall not possible), elect a India pasand head of NDP?

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 22 Sep 2023 01:57

And it was China who did it !! and made as if India had done it

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 22 Sep 2023 02:02

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 22 Sep 2023 02:18

Hardeep Singh Nijjar gambit backfires on Justin Trudeau

The Canadian Prime Minister spent much of Wednesday canvassing support at the United Nations for his sketchy allegation that New Delhi engineered the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar -- a terrorist fugitive from India who emigrated to Canada -- with little to show for it.
Canadian officials said he met leaders of Kenya, Chile, Italy, Germany and the European Union and apprised them of the spat with India among other matters. But readouts from Trudeau's office about the meetings made no mention of the issue, and none of the countries involved made any mention of the hot-button issue between Canada and India.

skumar · Post by **skumar** » 22 Sep 2023 02:29

Modi has to open his mouth on Canada, cannot let Trudeau get away with his brain fart. He should raise this issue in Lok Sabha and say that when Trudeau brought it up with him, he demanded evidence from Trudeau and it has not been provided yet (this was mentioned in MEA briefing today).

Like the nation wanted to hear from Modi on Manipur, the world wants to hear from him on Canada. Modi saying it in Parliament has more weightage than MEA briefings.

He may be waiting for the conclusion of the new Parliament session.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Sep 2023 02:40

Yep:
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/break ... -in-punjab

The Winnipeg Police Service homicide unit is investigating after a 39-year-old man was found dead in a home in a northwest Winnipeg neighbourhood Wednesday.

Police identified the victim Thursday afternoon as 39-year-old Sukhdool Singh Gill.
...
...
Police officers were called to the 200 block of Hazelton Drive off King Edward Street at about 10 a.m. Wednesday and discovered the body. An autopsy is pending.

There was a large police presence at the home Thursday afternoon, including a forensics investigation vehicle. There were visible bullet holes in the exterior rear wall.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Sep 2023 02:54

I know SG is not liked, but here he usefully explains that Canada's Conservative govts have had better relations with India than the Liberal govts:

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Sep 2023 02:59

Cyrano wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023 00:12 Disagree with AIM on this. There is no reason not to call a turd a turd. These are Khalistani Separatist Terrorists. calling them Interpol criminals equates them with muggers and cheats. They are far, far worse.

@Cyrano gaaru, I agree with AIM and you as well. We can call them Khalistani Separatists Terrorist Criminals wanted by Interpol. A mouthful but the most specific generalization, don't you think?

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 22 Sep 2023 02:59

skumar wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023 02:29 Modi has to open his mouth on Canada, cannot let Trudeau get away with his brain fart. He should raise this issue in Lok Sabha and say that when Trudeau brought it up with him, he demanded evidence from Trudeau and it has not been provided yet (this was mentioned in MEA briefing today).

Like the nation wanted to hear from Modi on Manipur, the world wants to hear from him on Canada. Modi saying it in Parliament has more weightage than MEA briefings.

He may be waiting for the conclusion of the new Parliament session.

Modi does not need to speak on this . Some Babu can take care of it. Jai Shankar is as high as we will go. That is also too much for the canucks

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Sep 2023 03:19

Hindi-Congi bhai-bhai?

Tharoor is articulate, you've got to give him that

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Sep 2023 03:25

chetak wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 12:44 there is some sort of kaneda education mela in bangalore in a few days time
one would be very interested to see how that goes

I guess that mela is for 2024 fall. Deadline is Dec 2023-Jan 2024. This mela is DOA.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 22 Sep 2023 03:31

Cyrano wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 13:08 This could babe true. IIRC, from various news reports over the past few days:
... usted to keep his word, plus he can deny it all from home territory) and is now going the Shishupala way.

Nice writeup. You should warn before hand, I spiled tdea all over my shirt.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Sep 2023 03:38

Biden and the American Left strongly rely on the African American vote to help shore them up.
There is no comparable African American demographic in Canada - but the Canadian Left are trying to cobble one together using Sikhs and Muslims.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Sep 2023 03:55

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 22 Sep 2023 04:11

skumar wrote: ↑22 Sep 2023 02:29 Modi has to open his mouth on Canada, cannot let Trudeau get away with his brain fart. He should raise this issue in Lok Sabha and say that when

It's not needed skumar ji. Right now we are giving Justin Turd all the rope to hang himself with. We are handling this the right way with every response from our side spearheaded by MEA and that's how we need to go with this. Just because some low life made a brand new accusation, we need not drop everything. This is MEA's coming out moment, so to speak. Win or lose, we need to keep at this game and march on.

brvarsh · Post by **brvarsh** » 22 Sep 2023 04:39

Now it seems US has started singing the same tune as Canada, suggesting India about their principles they believe in, unfortunately never practice. What I am afraid of is this exposure of their tacit support to Khalistani movement from their soil to apparent arm twist India at their will does not push India, that has taken several steps towards forgetting the past, is compelled again to form an alliance detrimental to the American interest.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 22 Sep 2023 05:03

Like with 911, the US will be late to the party, but come in with a bazooka. At the moment they aren't concerned one bit about the growth in Canadian terrorism, although the northern border is lightly protected.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Sep 2023 05:15

Nijjar's own words directly from his own mouth: