India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

[chetak]

My bet is Trudeau is a China/Jagmeet Singh stooge. Trudeau has been reluctant to investigate more than credible claims of Chinese interference in Canadian elections favoring Trudeau’s party. China was going after Conservative MP Michael Chong’s extended family in Hong Kong; Canadian intelligence knew about it, but the MP was not informed.

Two points:

First, there is widespread belief that the Canadian National Security Establishment is riddled with Chinese sympathizers, notice that Canada provided cold weather training on Canadian soil to the PLA, training that the PLA could use against India. Trudeau himself has been the beneficiary of Chinese funding in his father's foundation. The only reason Canada has turned anti China now is because of US pressure.

Second, the conjecture is that in return for providing unquestioned support to Trudeau's minority Liberal Government, Jagmeet Singh and his Khalistani followers would benefit from unquestioned Canadian Government protection. And the fact that Trudeau could not hold up his end of the bargain and Nijjar was killed is a slap in his face. Otherwise the threats, alleged killings (disguised as accidents/suicides) on Canadian soil of Chinese dissidents, the establishment of Chinese police stations in Canada should have become a much bigger story than the Nijjar killing but right now the Chinese are not the flavor of the month with Trudeau because of US pressure.

ldev saar,

there is no doubt that justinder will not survive a full disclosure of his cheen connections and his nefarious cheen related compromises. He is desperate to suppress that part of his political and personal trade-offs

but he is an acknowledged lightweight, a mere puppet who is now seriously afflicted with delusions of grandeur.

one puppeteer is slant eyed but the master puppeteer is sitting right next door.

[williams]

Is there a 'Behind the Scene' talks going on??
The daily dose of 'Escalatory Cycle' seems to have calmed down!
Peri-G20 the GOI must have gamed in this and there seemed to be a step by step by response.
Wonder if Bhangra T has blinked first, hence the compromise by Blinken statement.
Furthermore it appears to be a combo of Chinese+Deep state strike,
I wonder what or where this new bonhomie is leading to??
Can I ask the Maulanars as where do their interest's merge??(meaning Chin and Deep State)

Actually, Canada did not do tit-tat on the Visa front. Instead tried to leak intelligence insinuations. They know escalating further is going to hurt them a lot. On the GOI end, we have not even heard a response from our Junior EAM. We are letting the IFS guys handle it. And they are doing a fine job. Shows how our babus can work with the right leadership.

[ldev]

They are talking about intercepts of conversations between Indian diplomats in kaneda, humint, sigint, and a 5eyes ally (so far unnamed) which has provided some of the intelligence

What were multiple countries doing placing Indian diplomats in kaneda under illegal surveillance and in how many other countries are such coercive measures in place.....

5eyes SIGNIT hoovers up data globally via interception of undersea cables etc. which carry the bulk of voice/data transmission. This interception network is jointly operated by the 5eyes. Powerful de-crypting software decrypt these yottabytes of intercepts and stores them for no human ear to listen to. So consider that everyone, everywhere, friend or foe is under observation 24x7. The critical difference is why somebody would search that gargantuan database for a specific name. That is where Trudeau comes in. When one 5eye asks another for a specific piece of searchable data maybe because that data is stored in that other country, the country that is asked may not even know what this is all about and data relating to a specific coordinate/time/key word is handed over. The relevance of what is being asked for is with the country requesting the data.

What prompted Trudeau to ask other 5eye countries for specific Indian involvement in Nijjar when the RCMP investigation has been inconclusive so far when in similar Chinese situations so far the boilerplate response is that the RCMP is investigating the matter. In other words why did Trudeau elevate Nijjar from a police investigation to an intelligence request to get to the bottom of it when so many similar Chinese involvements languish as unsolved police matters and even when Canadian intelligence reports about Chinese involvement in Canadian elections, Trudeau ignores those reports. HUMINT would have followed once specific individuals were identified via the 5eyes database.

[Cyrano]

Like we have been saying here...

Did Trudeau govt snoop on personnel of Indian high commission?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 877937.cms

Whats next?
If Turdeau has a neuron or two left, he will get the message, take the sliver of opening being offered by India and blame it on some "misinterpreted electronic chatter", sack a few officials, apologize and live another day. These kinds of pirouettes have been done before.

But as a price of survival, he will have to deliver on Bharat's demands and get rid of any and all kinds of support to Khalistani terrorists and their Paki handlers. But he will have to figure out a way to do that without Hagmeet Singh & his 10 odd NDP seats supporting him. May be his 4eyed friends will step in and help somehow, and sooner than later, they too will have to clean up their own backyards.

Otherwise Bharat will continue to hound these K terorrists at home and abroad. These humble plumbers will see all their ratholes being plugged and will blame Turdeau for selling them out. They may to react the only way they know which is to enact a freedom of expression act on shri Turdeau himself. It wont be poetic not justice but hey you will be known by posterity for the company you kept and like no one told you, Karma is a *****

Hoping it doesn't come to that and Turdeau puttar's survival instincts will kick in.

[vimal]

^^ Shutting down visa offices in India will hurt the Khalistanis the most, who are lined up outside the Kannedian consulate for visas. Most of them are uneducated and can barely speak English and try to enter via any means. Hagmeet and his 40 thieves must shittin bricks now.

[williams]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/biden ... ole-206821

A more sensible view from the Khanate.

Frankly, Biden is right to avoid giving immediate support to Trudeau

In effect, Canada knowingly harbored a person suspected of having plenty of blood on his hands. India is right to be upset by Canada’s tolerance for Sikh extremism. Not only does the country harbor the Khalistan Tiger Force, but it also hosts the World Sikh Organization, Sikhs for Justice, and Babbar Khalsa International, all groups that Indian officials say promote violence and/or have links to foreign powers.

Could Indian agents have murdered Nijjar? Certainly, though it does not seem the likely scenario. After Saudi agents killed Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, Turkey provided evidence to back its claims. That Trudeau is unable to do so suggests he may very well have shot from the hip and politicized an investigation.

[Aditya_V]

I don't think Trudeau is doing this alone, USA-UK are definitely involved but don't want do the charge, they want BJP out badly and pilliable Indian leadership. They do not like competitors and want to break up India. We must slowly hold strong.

[Cyrano]

What prompted Trudeau to ask other 5eye countries for specific Indian involvement in Nijjar when the RCMP investigation has been inconclusive so far when in similar Chinese situations so far the boilerplate response is that the RCMP is investigating the matter.

Good question saar.

Perhaps Turdeau had to pick a fight and he picked India thinking he & his Hagmeet buddies will have some leverage. But as late Shri Jaspal Bhatti ji would have said, he misunderestimated Bharat and his bad luck itself was rotten onlee.

[chetak]

^^ Shutting down visa offices in India will hurt the Khalistanis the most, who are lined up outside the Kannedian consulate for visas. Most of them are uneducated and can barely speak English and try to enter via any means. Hagmeet and his 40 thieves must shittin bricks now.

vimal ji,

they can join their paki pals and travel by rusted boat via greece or eyetaali

[chetak]

What prompted Trudeau to ask other 5eye countries for specific Indian involvement in Nijjar when the RCMP investigation has been inconclusive so far when in similar Chinese situations so far the boilerplate response is that the RCMP is investigating the matter.

Good question saar.

Perhaps Turdeau had to pick a fight and he picked India thinking he & his Hagmeet buddies will have some leverage. But as late Shri Jaspal Bhatti ji would have said, he misunderestimated Bharat and his bad luck itself was rotten onlee.

cyrano ji,


one has always wondered about the RCMP aka the "mounties"

Are they, in ye olde biblical terms, mounting the investigation or are they mounting the poor horse

Remember the legend, the "mounties" always get their man

[morem]

I don't think Trudeau is doing this alone, USA-UK are definitely involved but don't want do the charge, they want BJP out badly and pilliable Indian leadership. They do not like competitors and want to break up India. We must slowly hold strong.

To be honest the claims that India did it will actually help the BJP, do these fools not realize it ?

[bala]

One of the things that EAM Jaishankar has mandated in India Foreign office is a firm stance against Terrorism sponsorship. The Pukes have been at the receiving end at every forum, EAM called out one Puke journo, "We are not stupid to fall for your propagandu". This tone is quite different than in the past. Every aggressive nation has its own thug like force whose behaviour borders on terrorism. Canada is no different. Canada/Trudoodoo tried to pull a fast one on India and were told in no uncertain terms that India would not tolerate Khalistan or any terror sponsoring entity, please shove it up. Trudoodoo was taken back and tried to push his stance but it backfired bigtime. He is hopping mad like a childish dick screaming bloody murder, groping around for any straw like reason which he can throw on the Indians. The tantrums hold no sway on his own allies and they are saying dude its your own problem in the making, deal with it, you slob. The PM Trudoodoo has made a mockery of his own nation in the world. I know Emperor Eleven and Pukes are internally gloating over the turn of events and are there to help Trudoodoo.

[chetak]

I don't think Trudeau is doing this alone, USA-UK are definitely involved but don't want do the charge, they want BJP out badly and pilliable Indian leadership. They do not like competitors and want to break up India. We must slowly hold strong.

To be honest the claims that India did it will actually help the BJP, do these fools not realize it?

morem ji,

The amrikis are actively scouting for new markets for themselves, even as cheen is slowly going down the tubes and their manufacturing/goods gets strangled bit by bit

This mass of FTAs that India is in the process of signing with AUS, CAN, and the UK is upsetting their applecart

This is something that we need to process and consider as well.

everyone is piling on to the QUAD under the guise of it being a trade and logistics grouping. The UK, FRA, CAN, GER and some others are hoping to sneak in, not realizing that India has a virtual veto status on new comers by refusing/curtailing their trade overtures

[drnayar]

Anyone thinking of the BRICS and the dedollarisation threat

[chetak]

One of the things that EAM Jaishankar has mandated in India Foreign office is a firm stance against Terrorism sponsorship. The Pukes have been at the receiving end at every forum, EAM called out one Puke journo, "We are not stupid to fall for your propagandu". This tone is quite different than in the past. Every aggressive nation has its own thug like force whose behaviour borders on terrorism. Canada is no different. Canada/Trudoodoo tried to pull a fast one on India and were told in no uncertain terms that India would not tolerate Khalistan or any terror sponsoring entity, please shove it up. Trudoodoo was taken back and tried to push his stance but it backfired bigtime. He is hopping mad like a childish dick screaming bloody murder, groping around for any straw like reason which he can throw on the Indians. The tantrums hold no sway on his own allies and they are saying dude its your own problem in the making, deal with it, you slob. The PM Trudoodoo has made a mockery of his own nation in the world. I know Emperor Eleven and Pukes are internally gloating over the turn of events and are there to help Trudoodoo.

bala sir,

justinder singh khalistania may have been played, both externally and internally, by folks keen to see him attend his own political funereal....

hagmeat is one, the kaneda deep state, in partnership with the amrikis are among the others, operating via their intelligence agencies

hagmeat, tired of being justinder's labor contractor, may be looking to start a company of his own and he definitely has PM ambitions of his own, which will not come to anything, given the multi nation acrobatics exhibition that the khalistanis have been putting up

The farmer's agitation was 100% funded by the khalistanis, but they have got the bulk of their funding from the shadowy forces in US and CAN that are out to replace Modi with a half breed, wet behind the ears, well trained puppet.

Like Modi says: "They are actually out to get you, I am just in their way"

[vimal]

^^ This seems more like ChiPak handiwork. Kills two birds with one stone. Drive a wedge between India and West while taking the focus away from CCP interference in Kanneda.

[Cyrano]

Bhai log,
How much do you want to pile on poor Turdeau's head ?! The geezer is still figuring out his own pronouns

[Yagnasri]

I do not believe that the so-called intelligence fellows of Khan or others heard anything from our people. Everyone knows that Khan can hear anything they want. So why will our people give opportunity to them?

[ramana]

A 2016 Canadian news report:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/surrey-man ... hak.com%2F


Minister Ralph Goodale is now Canadian High Commissioner to UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Goodale

[bala]

the kaneda deep state, in partnership with the amrikis are among the others, operating via their intelligence agencies

Yes, the Global deep state is into global chaos and global thuggery. Each division cooperates with the other, behind the scenes, sometimes without the consent of the political boss (e.g. Trump era). The "Russians interfered in our election (US)", had FBI, CIA, Mi5, EuroIntel all collaborating in unison, with various angles reported by the media (controlled by the deep state) to make it all believable. But they got caught in their lies. kaneda (deep state) are amateurs compared to the rest. The first scream and they look like a pathetic lying bunch with no one willing to go along. They also don't understand that India is not going to fall for these charades.

[Pradyut]

Alexander Mercouris @ The Duran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjRlYx0uD00

One has to agree.
Trudeau is not capable of saying what he said, unless there are strings being pulled.

[vera_k]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/biden ... ole-206821

Thanks for sharing! If anything, cutting off visas to Canadians and putting every applicant under the microscope was long overdue. We have to be thankful to Trudeau for forcing the issue seeing the economy-first approach from successive Indian governments.

The bomb blast in Ludhiana (killed 6) attributed to Nijjar was in a majority Muslim neighborhood. Ties in nicely with the ISI's desire to foment communal violence in India.

[Sonugn]

Canadian PM Untrudeau has given an interview to propaganda outlet New York time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/worl ... d=re-share

Kindly take a deep breath, before proceeding to read -

Q - On what would be the most fitting resolution to the situation:

Ans- A number of people thrown in jail, convicted. A series of lessons learned and changes made to the way the Indian government and the intelligence services operate.

**

Lets analyze -

1. He wants "Indians to be thrown in jail"
2. He wants "lessons learned" to be brainstormed by the Indian agencies
3. He wants changes to be made in the function of R&AW
4. Last but not the least - He wants changes to be made in the way the Indian Government functions (aka regime change)

This looks like the tantrums of a kid. Audacity of this little pipsqeak. He games his daddy's support in this. Else what explains this?

[Cyrano]

Its the Zelinsky effect.

[williams]

Canadian PM Untrudeau has given an interview to propaganda outlet New York time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/worl ... d=re-share

Kindly take a deep breath, before proceeding to read -

Q - On what would be the most fitting resolution to the situation:

Ans- A number of people thrown in jail, convicted. A series of lessons learned and changes made to the way the Indian government and the intelligence services operate.

**

Lets analyze -

1. He wants "Indians to be thrown in jail"
2. He wants "lessons learned" to be brainstormed by the Indian agencies
3. He wants changes to be made in the function of R&AW
4. Last but not the least - He wants changes to be made in the way the Indian Government functions (aka regime change)

This looks like the tantrums of a kid. Audacity of this little pipsqeak. He games his daddy's support in this. Else what explains this?

Daddy or Mommy is not going to support such a thing especially when the Elephant has woken up and roaring. I don't think this fool understands India post-2014. He has done a major disservice to his country by sitting out of the new world order.

[chetak]

I do not believe that the so-called intelligence fellows of Khan or others heard anything from our people. Everyone knows that Khan can hear anything they want. So why will our people give opportunity to them?

hubris, braggadocio, impress the PYT secretary, didn't know house was bugged, di(k measuring contest, take your pick, Yagnasri garu.

If the babooze think that they are twice born, the IFS think that they are thrice born.

Remember kh0br@g@de, our deputy consul general in new york, who was indicted for visa fraud, in amrika, her showboating, retired babooze father was an even bigger di(khead and husband had amriki passport not disclosed to the GoI, she was deported and permanently barred from entering the US

this clown and papa ki pari, had gobbled up an MMBS seat, + PG seat and then joined the IFS, wantonly depriving some one else of using those two seats for service to the Indian public

this is our completely rusted steel frame

[sudham]

I think we are responding very emotionally to this in BRF. If I see it from the Canadian PM's PoV, this is brilliant.
He was under pressure from the terrorist sympathisers to take the pressure off them.
He was under fire for mismanaging everything and presiding over Chinese interference.
With this all the attention has trully been diverted. In my view there is a high likelyhood of Indian government's indirect involvement. They would have been in touch with various Sikh groups. So once he plants enough doubt in everyone's mind about Indian involvement he will be a hero.
Does this damage Canada? Yes. But how is that an issue when he is probably more worried about his election?

Well sudham, at the moment and so far, we in Bharat don't give a rats ass about Turdeau's election chances, thats for Canadian people to decide. India is angry that the Canadian PM made very serious allegations without proof and he is rightly lampooned and ridiculed here. While Bharat has been giving him dossiers full of charges and corresponding evidences on halistani terrotists, some two dozens of them and Canada, especially under Turdeau has dont NOTHING for decades, and now he has the gall (but perhaps not the required bladder) to accuse India.

If YOU have sympathies for him, thats for you to figure out whether he is brilliant or a cheap liar. If planting doubts on India by baseless allegations is your definition of heroism, then India has dealt with such heroes and zeros for decades. We dont worry coz we have curry.

To put it in perspective whats if someone said publicly and on TV that you must stop beating your wife and says they have credible allegations that indicate you have possible links with people who are wifebeaters etc, says you must come clean and cooperate with the investigation, would you react non-emotionally ? Turdeau's accusations are 100x worse.

Cyrano, I think I have made myself clear that I am pleasantly surprised by how the Govt has responded. My statement is that we at BRF are becoming emotional about it. So let us not get into making it seem as if I am talking about the Government's reaction.
Why am I saying that we are reacting emotionally? Cos the reason why Trudeau is doing what he is doing is clear. Stop using the lens of integrity (this is Trudeau you are talking about) and you will notice that this is good option from his point of view. What I am worried about is that BRF is not just about posters. A lot of lurkers exist. A lot of talking points are picked from here ( I know, I do). So when the workplace discussion veers towards this topic, you need them to be articulate and not emotional.

Please read the original post again. I am providing my understanding for why Trudeau did what he did. And nowhere did I call him my hero. We can avoid this hostility to our fellow posters.

[yensoy]

Canadian PM Untrudeau has given an interview to propaganda outlet New York time.
...
Q - On what would be the most fitting resolution to the situation:
Ans- A number of people thrown in jail, convicted. A series of lessons learned and changes made to the way the Indian government and the intelligence services operate.

What a class act a*hole! 300+ innocent souls including children too young to know, elders, women killed and one joker spent a few decades in jail. One terrorist killed and he wants "a number of people thrown in jail"?

Zero is a number too

[VKumar]

^^ Shutting down visa offices in India will hurt the Khalistanis the most, who are lined up outside the Kannedian consulate for visas. Most of them are uneducated and can barely speak English and try to enter via any means. Hagmeet and his 40 thieves must shittin bricks now.

vimal ji,

they can join their paki pals and travel by rusted boat via greece or eyetaali

They have been doing this for decades.

[titash]

Sudham-ji & Cyrano-ji,

At the end of the day it boils down to a very simple question "how big is your danda" as measured by:

1) golas
2) design engineering & industrial/manufacturing capability
- PROPULSION: engines/powertrains
- PLATFORMS: aircraft/submarines/automotive
- ELECTRONICS: radars/EW systems/chips/computers/software
- WEAPONS: mijjiles, hyperfast mijjiles, guns, ammunition
- SPACE: satellites, launch vehicles, anti-sat weapons
3) energy
- FOSSIL: oil, gas, coal
- NUCLEAR: uranium, thorium
4) minerals
- BULLION materials e.g. gold
- ELECTRONIC materials e.g. gallium
- ENERGY storage & transmission materials e.g. lithium, copper
- HIGH TEMP. materials e.g. nickel, rhenium

The only way to get these capabilities is by focused people + $$$ investment and unwavering political support. Modi has single-handedly fast-tracked India's rise to the top of the greasy pole with a ruthless pursuit of India's gaps in abovementioned capabilities. And everyone else wants to slow it down.

Trashing Modi's image with the ultimate goal of regime change and replacing him with a RaGa/Kharge-man/Khujliwal is frankly the only way to stop/slow down his India-first policies. It will get increasingly dirtier as we get closer to 2024

Notice that last week, news about India was so positive...Chandrayaan-3, G-20, etc. No mention of muslims, manipur, etc. Almost as if a "rebalancing" was required

Modi is ruthlessly efficient and corruption-free and is perceived by the average Indian as being so. Politically there is no single person in India who can take him on. BTW his popularity with the average Indian is 2x or 3x times what his 5-Eyes counterparts enjoy

The reality is culinary institute's regime changes are far easier to execute in a democracy than a dictatorship

==============================================================================================

Back to the danda-measurements:

The Russians realized this back in 1945 and the Chinese in the 1970s and the NoKos in the early 2000s
- The Russians built an arsenal of 5000+ golas that protects them to this day
- The Chinese are aiming for a 500 ship Navy backed by the world's largest economy and scientific superpower capabilities
- Learning from Saddam/Gaddafi, even the NoKos wave their golas around on a daily basis and nobody can do jack $hit about it

Say what you will about Stalin and Mao/Deng and the li'l Kims...dictators and tyrants they were, but fools they were not

[yensoy]

Here's my interpretation as to what happened:

1. ISI/Khalistani plotted to defame India, specifically during G20, figuring they could unearth something embarrassing on PM/GoI. It is no secret that Nijjar being eliminated was beneficial in some way to Indian interests even considering he was only a bit player. So someone in Pindi or Brampton thought the murder could be weaponized.

2. They started looking for evidence to link GoI/RAW officials to Nijjar's enemies. They found some links based on human intelligence (waiter in an Indian restaurant/cashier in an Indian store). After all the RAW station exists to reach out to the various factions, talk sense to them and try to bring them back to reason. They identified the RAW station 3rd in command having makki-ki-roti with some fellow in Surrey who had an ongoing tussle with Nijjar (maybe his cousin whom he toppled as Gurdwara chief?).

3. This information was channeled thru Jagmeet Singh's offices to CSIS, and CSIS was pressed into investigating the links.

4. CSIS being incompetent of independent investigation, raised this request to 5 eyes.

5. As we all know, Unkil keeps track of everything. Some low level lackey in the US security apparatus typed in keywords and found some emails, whatsapp messages or phone call logs between RAW/GoI officials and Nijjar's cousin.

6. Unkil then gave these transcripts to CSIS, with the understanding that this evidence was not to be disclosed to anyone or used in a court of law ("inadmissible evidence"). Unkil doesn't want the world to know what it gathers and how it gathers its evidence - both of which would come up if this went to court.

CSIS would have to independently arrive at the conclusion and independently come up with evidence for a trial.

7. CSIS read these transcripts through their interpreter "ki horiasi? makke di roti ekdum tasty si" and figured this was not going to win their case. So they went back to Jagmeet Singh.

8. Jagmeet told Trudeau, "we got them" but we can't say what we got, we can't disclose what we got, we can't say how we got it, and we need GoI to incriminate themselves. Trudeau said "WTF?" at which point Jagmeet squeezed Trudeau's heirlooms making him sing as he did.

This explains why Trudeau is still talking about "credible allegation", why unkil is saying "we shared the information with our partners" and GoI laughing the matter off while ensuring that this fellow learns his lesson. It's also a great teaching moment for the rest of the world to know whom not to mess with.

[Cyrano]

Sudham,
Why are you surprised by GoB's reaction? Because you expected that they will roll over?

While I'm not doubting your good intentions, the way to get articulate is do your research and make your opinions. Just reading brf is not enough, though it's a good start

But calling us emotional etc won't get you very far coz we are like this onlee. Hope you will stick around and learn more than you post. I've done it for years as a lurker before I could get the time and the clarity to post in this august nukkad.

[Cyrano]

Yensoy Ji,
Very much possible, even probable.

Another thought came to my mind. The timing of this drama right after the Anantnag encounter where indian forces lost 4 soldiers which included 3 senior officers which once again raised great anger and calls for retribution on Pakistan.
Last time we did balakot and the people of India know we can inflict serious punishment and Pakis can't deter us, the world can't stop us. But if GoB does a balakot or Surgical strikes 2.0 then Modi's reelection is guaranteed written on stone. If the US greenlighted Turdeau's parliamentary diarrhoea it could be to buy time and cause a distraction while they can talk GoB out of it. If they somehow manage to dent Modi's reputation that would be a bonus. It was a gamble that they could play using an expendable Turdeau who has become a lecturing liability and can't even stand up to Chinese infiltration into Canadian administration.
Though not the main factor, it shows for how little tactical gains the liberal's poster boy was thrown under the bus by the US.

Subsequent events have proved that Trudeau indeed can't play the big boy's game. He is finished.

[sudham]

Sudham,
Why are you surprised by GoB's reaction? Because you expected that they will roll over?

While I'm not doubting your good intentions, the way to get articulate is do your research and make your opinions. Just reading brf is not enough, though it's a good start

But calling us emotional etc won't get you very far coz we are like this onlee. Hope you will stick around and learn more than you post. I've done it for years as a lurker before I could get the time and the clarity to post in this august nukkad.

Yup.. was expecting GoI to react more subtle. But like I said liked what I saw.
Lurker from a long time... learning abhi bhi baki hay

[chetak]

Sudham,
Why are you surprised by GoB's reaction? Because you expected that they will roll over?

While I'm not doubting your good intentions, the way to get articulate is do your research and make your opinions. Just reading brf is not enough, though it's a good start

But calling us emotional etc won't get you very far coz we are like this onlee. Hope you will stick around and learn more than you post. I've done it for years as a lurker before I could get the time and the clarity to post in this august nukkad.

Yup.. was expecting GoI to react more subtle. But like I said liked what I saw.
Lurker from a long time... learning abhi bhi baki hay

sudham ji,

the apt word is passion not emotion

[drnayar]

America on record saying if it has to choose between an elephant and a minnow "friend" it will choose the elephant as it is just too important !!

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/indi ... 556.cms


Canada wants to pick a fight with india i's like an ant picking a fight against an elephant

[Cyrano]

https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/170548 ... wyYBg&s=09

SAB ki phati padi hai ... the guys on the left look like they want to go to the bathroom asap

"Xxx ke naam pey koi hume bachalo baba..."

[bala]

The infiltration of the Sikhs (and its religion) is an ongoing theme from the Britshit Raj era.

Max Arthur Macauliffe an ICS officer of Punjab managed to infiltrate Sikh religion and engaged in translation of the Granth Sahib. However being ICS he effectively injected Abrahamic concepts into the text and made it as the new version. All Sikhs prior to this were followers of Sanatani Dharma (there is more references to Ram in Granth Sahib). In 1905, Arur Singh, manager of the Golden Temple, on being goaded by the British ordered the removal of all Hindu idols from the precincts of the Golden Temple. Till then the Hindu Brahmins had presided over different Sikh marriage ceremonies. They expelled the Brahmins from the Har Mandir, where the latter had worked as priests.

Guru Gobind Singh started Sikhism on the Baisakhi day of 1699. When Guru Gobind Singh died, Sikhs did not hold an inch of land. It was a tantric Hindu saint by the name of Banda Bahadur (Lachman Dev originally) who first wrested land back from the powerful son of Muslim Emperor Aurangezeb. For being a Hindu, Banda Bahadur's army, which contained Sikhs was split into two by Guru Gobind's wife – into Hindu faction and Sikh 5Ks faction.

Ranjeet Singh at the age of 21 was crowned the Maharajah of the Punjab on April 12, 1801. The Britshits infiltrated his empire via doctors and women. Ranjit Singh was fond of horses (1200 horses in his stable, 1000 reserved for him personally) and engaged in polo matches. Ranjit Singh was led into the Treaty of Amritsar in 1809, by the Britshits. They would make the fierce Ranjit Singh’s Sikh kingdom of Punjab act as a buffer between the marauding Muslims of Afghanistan and themselves. Ranjit Singh knew that as long as the Sikhs, Rajputs, Hindus and Muslims people bond together without the British playing dirty “divide and rule” tactics, as they did in the rest of India, he would be just fine. The treaty was signed by Mr. Charles Theophilus Metcalfe on behalf of British Government, whose Governor General was Lord Minto, and Maharaja Ranjit Singh at Amritsar on April 25, 1809. This treaty though would put a limit on extending the Sikh kingdom to the south, already occupied by the British, it would in theory allow expansion to the North and West without any interference from the British.

The northern rough terrain was where all the Mughal treasures were, including the Kohinoor diamond, originally stolen from India. The British kept low, even after Ranjit Singh vacuumed all the wealth from the North West areas, including the Kohinoor diamond and kept it in a nice pile. Ranjit Singh had the prized jewel fitted in his turban. Before Ranjit Singh died in 1839, his priests tried to get him to donate the diamond to the Temple of Jaggannath. Apparently he agreed, but by this time he was unable to speak due to a stroke. Kohinoor was signed away to queen Victoria in 1849 by 11 year old boy King Duleep Singh while in exile. Statement read, "The gem called Koh-I-noor, which was taken from Shah Shuja-ul-Mulk by Maharajah Ranjit Singh shall be surrendered by the Maharajah of Lahore to the Queen of England." On 6 April 1850 the Koh-i-noor left the shores of India (on Governor General, Lord Dalhousie orders) on board of the HMS Medea. As a reward Duleep Singh could play with the royal kids in London.

Prior to Ranjit Singh's death, the Britshit doctors worked on slowly poisoning Ranjit Singh via alcoholic drinks. The Brits would drive an irreversible wedge between the Rajputs and the Sikhs by making the gullible Sikhs suspect the loyal Rajput members of Ranjit Singh’s inner darbar and army. Sir Lepel Griffin a British propaganda mouthpiece wrote, "There are perhaps no characters in Punjab history more repulsive than Rajputs Dhian Singh and Gulab Singh Dogra". Nothing is further than the truth, as both these loyal men were handpicked by Ranjit Singh himself and Ranjit Singh had the capability to gauge men. Lepel's son Sir Lancelot Cecil Lepel Griffin later would be appointed the last political secretary of British India. Effectively the Britshits played their usual dirty tricks, dividing the hindus vs sikhs, pampering the king to allow him to collect the loot and then quietly bump him of by insiders. The same happened to Tippu Sultan in the South.

The unfinished business of dividing Hindus and Sikhs is single-handedly pursued by the Deep State of Brit, Canada and others.

[hnair]

I think a seed has been planted here by NRao and later elaborated by ldev that US knows everything because they tap every communication channel in the world and apparently Government of India is naive to keep using these west controlled channels for such sensitive operations, which in the first place has never happened as per GoI

That, NRao is your second nonsense in this thread. This would be a valid argument for western fanbois who believe:
a) US is an omnipotent god
b) bin laden did not exist for almost 10 years past his expiry date while dropping videos every quarter

Canada or panch-aankh mind-readers has nada other than “Did you hear about that tubby little BC plumber?…LOL” over some IFS WhatsApp group or that would be the first thing Trudy would have waved around in his parliament.

From now on, any evidence that comes out from Ottawa should be treated as 100% made-in-China fake evidence. Sec Blinken should have been a bit more circumspect in his latest pronouncements

[Cyrano]

What happened to all the proof demanding Barking Dutt jurnos of the world I wonder!