India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

[Cyrano]

News of orders issued for a major NIA crack down on all identified Khalistani terrorists, their sympathisers with attachment/confiscation of properties across India.

Their visas and OCIs will be cancelled.

Bharat will give even more dossiers and extradition requests to 5ayes.

Ardent supporters of institutions and rule of law will be told to act and walk the talk.

[sanman]

[Pratyush]

Why remove banners.

It infringes on the free speech of Canadians.

We demand more free speach for such fine specimens.

[sanman]

[g.sarkar]

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/us-p ... 230924.htm
US provided Canada intelligence on Nijjar's killing: NYT
Lalit K Jha, September 24, 2023
The US provided Canada with intelligence after the killing of Sikh separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, but communications intercepted by Ottawa were more definitive and led it to accuse India of orchestrating the plot, The New York Times has reported citing sources.
The report came on Saturday as the top US diplomat in Canada confirmed that there was “shared intelligence among Five Eyes partners” that had prompted Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's offensive allegation against India in the killing of a Khalistani extremist on Canadian soil.
The allegations have infuriated India, which rejected the allegations as "absurd" and "motivated" and expelled a senior Canadian diplomat in a tit-for-tat move to Ottawa's expulsion of an Indian official over the case. India also accused Canada of being a safe haven for terrorists.
Nijjar, the chief of the banned Khalistan Tiger Force, was killed in Surrey in British Columbia on June 18. India had designated Nijjar as a terrorist in 2020.
The United States has urged India to cooperate with Canada in its investigations.
"In the aftermath of the killing, US intelligence agencies offered their Canadian counterparts context that helped Canada conclude that India had been involved," the NYT reported, quoting unnamed allied officials as saying.
Yet what appears to be the “smoking gun,” intercepted communications of Indian diplomats in Canada indicating involvement in the plot, was gathered by Canadian officials, allied officials said.
David Cohen, US ambassador to Canada, in an interview with CTV News said that "shared intelligence among Five Eyes partners" had informed Trudeau of the possible involvement of Indian agents in the murder of a Canadian citizen in June.
"I will say this was a matter of shared intelligence information. There was a lot of communication between Canada and the United States about this, and I think that's as far as I'm comfortable going," Cohen told CTV News.
After Nijjar's death, American officials told their Canadian counterparts that Washington had not had any advance information about the plot, and that if US officials had they would have immediately informed Ottawa under the intelligence agencies' “duty to warn” doctrine, according to two allied officials, the newspaper reported.
The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss what has become a diplomatic firestorm, said Canadian officials had offered a general warning to Nijjar but had not told him that he was the target of an Indian government plot, according to the report.
Cohen told CTV that said that the US takes very seriously these allegations. “And, you know, if they prove to be true, it is a potentially very serious breach of the rules-based international order in which we like to function," he said in response to a question.
While Secretary of State Antony Blinken has called on India to cooperate with the Canadian investigation, American officials have largely tried to avoid triggering any diplomatic blowback from India, the paper said.
But the disclosure of the involvement of US intelligence risks ensnaring Washington in the diplomatic battle between Canada and India at a time when it is keen to develop New Delhi as a closer partner, it said.
Blinken said the US is “deeply concerned” about the allegations raised by Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau against India and Washington was “closely coordinating” with Ottawa on the issue and wants to see “accountability” in the case.
Speaking at a press conference in New York on Friday, Blinken said the US has engaged directly with the Indian government on the issue and the most productive thing would be the completion of this investigation.
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Gautam
Run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, anyone?

[Cyrano]

Looks like the Biden regime doesnt know what to do. The US also has a history of letting the same Khalistani terror outfits operate on its territory. Recent attack on India's SFO consulate was preceded by similar demonstrations, referendums and separatist activities. Either it can support Canada and help save it own face and keep some irritating leverage on India alive, or dump Canada and clean up its own act - which means admission of inaction until now plus lose its "leverage".

Now FBI is warning Sikhs in the US about threats to their life ! LoL !

UK, Aus must also be feeling the heat and would be watching these 2 closely to see where this goes and implications for themselves.

Merci Turdeau !

[drnayar]

I think india has enough humint to doff the khalistanis on a case to case basis .. when the yoosaa doffs off its undesirables by drones publicly why would anyone be bothered..lol . Geopolitics is a game no right or wrong, right

Also a wakeup call for all Hindus worldwide to unite

[chetak]

Looks like the Biden regime doesnt know what to do. The US also has a history of letting the same Khalistani terror outfits operate on its territory. Recent attack on India's SFO consulate was preceded by similar demonstrations, referendums and separatist activities. Either it can support Canada and help save it own face and keep some irritating leverage on India alive, or dump Canada and clean up its own act - which means admission of inaction until now plus lose its "leverage".

Now FBI is warning Sikhs in the US about threats to their life ! LoL !

UK, Aus must also be feeling the heat and would be watching these 2 closely to see where this goes and implications for themselves.

Merci Turdeau !

Cyrano ji,

placing Indian diplomats under surveillance is a distinctly unfriendly act.....

why did the amrikis do that

what about david headly who was involved in the taj hotel 26/11 mumbai attack, he spied for the pakis while being in India on an amriki passport, what about his pal tahawwur hussain rana, paki origin kenadian citizen who was complicit with headly.

did the amrikis hold the paki/isi culpable for 9/11, where amriki citizens were also killed or did the amrikis, very conveniently forget about the all important "rules-based international order" then

Why haven't they been extradited to India till date despite repeated Indian requests asking for them

WTF happened to the "rules-based international order" then or in this order, browns and blacks don't matter

and all of a sudden, from where did this "rules-based international order", as applied to a khalistani terrorist, spring from, literally out of the blue

what would the amrikis have to say for themselves and their allies, if some eeyraaqi citizen asked them the same queschun. Didn't more than 4,000 dumb canucks serve in the Persian Gulf region in 1990-1991 as part of a coalition of countries, and did they find the mythical "weapons of mass destruction" and were they not aware of this "rules-based international order", attacking foreign countries and violating their sovereignty. As sure as hell, the white apes did not have the UN sanction but went ahead anyways.

why the sudden khujli now, and why not provide the proof that you claim to have

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
Probably more of if you understand Kannada saying : Kudre ge Kadivana haakodu or Yeetige mugu daara haaakodu
Haathi pe ankush rakne ke tayyari ho rahi hain!!
Cant let the Elephant trample the White order no!!

[chetak]

Chetakji
Probably more of if you understand Kannada saying : Kudre ge Kadivana haakodu or Yeetige mugu daara haaakodu
Haathi pe ankush rakne ke tayyari ho rahi hain!!
Cant let the Elephant trample the White order no!!

Rajesh saar,

"don't poke the bear", which is what they are doing

they may block India's bid for the UNSC seat, which, in their heart of hearts, they anyway didn't want to give us.

It is now, when the fertilizer has hit the fan, that many wokes will really understand Modi's profound wisdom, despite the many western threats and inducements, in not alienating the russians.

The french will break ranks and stand with India, as will the african union, and parts of CAR and latin amrika

[drnayar]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-66885924

Trudeau facing cold reality after lonely week on world stage

The climb down has started

The ant vs elephant .. ant is down and out ..peepeecee offer some consolation to falsdu though

[Tanaji]

BBC doing is usual tricks again: from the above article:

Unsurprisingly, nearly all the questions were about India and the shocking allegation made by Mr Trudeau earlier in the week: there was credible evidence the Indian government had participated in the extrajudicial killing of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil, a Sikh activist whom India has accused of terrorism.

Trudeau said allegation and not evidence. Zero evidence has been provided so far.

BBC as usual is trying to stir the pot with its own masala

[Rakesh]

I think a seed has been planted here by NRao and later elaborated by ldev that US knows everything because they tap every communication channel in the world and apparently Government of India is naive to keep using these west controlled channels for such sensitive operations, which in the first place has never happened as per GoI

NRao speaks cryptic gibberish and reminds me of Biden who belongs in an old age retirement home (using a walker) in Florida. It is really sad that he chooses to come to a forum to get validation of his delusions. And all of a sudden, NRao has now become a Bharatiya!

Also reminds me of Ashley Tellis who expected India to jump hoops through multiple US administrations (Republican & Democrat). Under Obama, it was the Ashton Carter-Manohar Parrikar bromance that was being pushed on BRF. Under Republican Trump and the Democratic Congress, it was the threat of CAATSA and Trump's infantile belligerence. Now under Biden it is the geriatric woke/LGBTQ agenda that India must get behind. Regardless of the US Administration, India must always follow America's lead...even if it is against her interests. After all, the Chinese threat is that dangerous. So when Five Eyes says that they have credible allegations that means it is actionable intelligence. To even suggest otherwise would be hara-kiri.

For all the US' presumed superiority in collecting intelligence, it failed miserably in two (very imp) instances;

1) Pokharan '98: The Americans were caught like a deer in the headlights
2) WMDs in Iraq: We all know how that ended up

In light of this...India is under no obligation to accept any intelligence that is presented by the West. When the supposed intelligence itself is flawed, then what value is the subsequent analysis?

That, NRao is your second nonsense in this thread. This would be a valid argument for western fanbois who believe:
a) US is an omnipotent god
b) bin laden did not exist for almost 10 years past his expiry date while dropping videos every quarter

Saar, you are now hurting the feelings and the sentiments of the patriotic Americans on BRF

Bin Laden used to host a weekly podcast on CSPAN post 9/11. But that again, it was CSPAN. That is why no one knew he was very much alive and well.

Canada or panch-aankh mind-readers has nada other than “Did you hear about that tubby little BC plumber?…LOL” over some IFS WhatsApp group or that would be the first thing Trudy would have waved around in his parliament.

From now on, any evidence that comes out from Ottawa should be treated as 100% made-in-China fake evidence. Sec Blinken should have been a bit more circumspect in his latest pronouncements

The US State Department has consistently been anti-India and will remain so. Five Eyes is a club to keep alive a dying dream of a world that was once led & controlled by the White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) i.e. the sun never sets on the British Empire. But the sun has long set on that empire. And MUTUs keep that dream alive on BRF.

India's state department called it out rightly ----> ""If you're talking about reputational issues and reputational damage, if there's any country that needs to look at this, I think it is Canada and its growing reputation as a place, as a safe haven for terrorists, for extremists, and for organized crime. And I think that's a country that needs to worry about its international reputation."

[Cyrano]

These are govts that practice manufactured consent. Manufactured evidence is not a step too high. Turdeau's back o(ri)ffice would be busy with that.

[drnayar]

@Rakesh ., the US state department is anti-world ., friends are those to be used, enemies to be fought. nothing exists in between

[drnayar]

These are govts that practice manufactured consent. Manufactured evidence is not a step too high. Turdeau's back o(ri)ffice would be busy with that.

indeed the "mounties" have tried and failed their "intelligence" probably now working with the extremists., oh wait ..wasnt the doffed one one of their operatives ?!

[A_Gupta]

Modi didn’t cave to foreign pressure. He caved to internal vote issues. But this would go off-topic.

[drnayar]

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Hindus in Canada just need to organize a rally of sorts ..and watch the fun start

[drnayar]

[bala]

For all the US' presumed superiority in collecting intelligence, it failed miserably in two (very imp) instances;

1) Pokharan '98: The Americans were caught like a deer in the headlights
2) WMDs in Iraq: We all know how that ended up

In light of this...India is under no obligation to accept any intelligence that is presented by the West. When the supposed intelligence itself is flawed, then what value is the subsequent analysis?

Rakesh the above succinctly summarizes the state of HumInt capabilites of the vaunted US.

The level of hum int in the US is going down day by day since the average IQ of average gora US is precipitously dropping. Only the foreign immigration IQ is helping them. The deep state has completely infested the FBI, CIA and NSA orgs in the US, most of them concentrated on Rus angle. All the big data, trunk data tapping etc is all fine but you need hum int to interpret the data. Claiming this or that form data is the easy part Post Mortem, but a heads-up alert is a different thing. So the deep state will say this and that to suit their narrative, the actual picture is completely different and maybe the opposite.

The number of bad calls far exceed those of the good ones (e.g. how they got to Osama eventually).

[Pratyush]

Why are we discussing the credibility of western intelligence agencies?

We have enough ammunition to dismantle the Canadian shenanigans. Let's not get side tracked.

[chetak]

The current mood in the GoI

options are being weighed

[chetak]

Why are we discussing the credibility of western intelligence agencies?

We have enough ammunition to dismantle the Canadian shenanigans. Let's not get side tracked.

Pratyush ji,

one fears that there is more to come.

The saga will not end so easily.

[SRajesh]

^^they need to build a narrative given RaGa’s seriously mutated genes and constant drip feeding to keep him on par for the course noo

[KLNMurthy]

Farmers and Nupur were domestic issues
But the sympathy and public dividends more for the BJP rather than the anti national noo

I think there was a definite Khalistan aspect to the farmers agitation.

Nupur was internationalized by zoo bear.

In any case, if I were a Khalistani or Canadian India-watcher, domestic or otherwise wouldn’t matter to me, folding is folding, and weakness is weakness.

Not saying those weren’t the right moves at the time. Just saying enemies are always watching, analyzing and predicting how you would react and how things may be expected to play out.

[chetak]

Farmers and Nupur were domestic issues
But the sympathy and public dividends more for the BJP rather than the anti national noo

I think there was a definite Khalistan aspect to the farmers agitation.

Nupur was internationalized by zoo bear.

In any case, if I were a Khalistani or Canadian India-watcher, domestic or otherwise wouldn’t matter to me, folding is folding, and weakness is weakness.

Not saying those weren’t the right moves at the time. Just saying enemies are always watching, analyzing and predicting how you would react and how things may be expected to play out.

Murthy ji,


orders have already gone out to confiscate properties, bank accounts, and other assets of khalistanis and their sympathizers. Their OCI and other privileges are being cancelled, and they are being put on no fly lists, and their sympathizers are also being similarly buggered

this should have been done during the farmer's agitation

but no matter, देर आये दुरुस्त आये and karma never forgets

let's see which dakait opens his gob now

There is a whole world of difference between "attached" and "confiscated"

[KLNMurthy]

Modi didn’t cave to foreign pressure. He caved to internal vote issues. But this would go off-topic.

Fair point about electoral calculations.

But if I were a Khalistani, inside Canadian deep state, I can see myself looking at the retreat and concluding that Modi is a pushover, provided you push hard enough, and once he does get pushed over in an international confrontation, it would break his “strong for India” image, which is a major factor in his electoral appeal.

Remember, we have to use the Khalistani brain to do the analysis.

[KLNMurthy]

Why are we discussing the credibility of western intelligence agencies?

We have enough ammunition to dismantle the Canadian shenanigans. Let's not get side tracked.

Pratyush ji,

one fears that there is more to come.

The saga will not end so easily.

Our guys know how to play pace & swing.

[KLNMurthy]

I think there was a definite Khalistan aspect to the farmers agitation.

Nupur was internationalized by zoo bear.

In any case, if I were a Khalistani or Canadian India-watcher, domestic or otherwise wouldn’t matter to me, folding is folding, and weakness is weakness.

Not saying those weren’t the right moves at the time. Just saying enemies are always watching, analyzing and predicting how you would react and how things may be expected to play out.

Murthy ji,


orders have already gone out to confiscate properties, bank accounts, and other assets of khalistanis and their sympathizers. Their OCI and other privileges are being cancelled, and they are being put on no fly lists, and their sympathizers are also being similarly buggered

this should have been done during the farmer's agitation

but no matter, देर आये दुरुस्त आये and karma never forgets

let's see which dakait opens his gob now

There is a whole world of difference between "attached" and "confiscated"

I think, like all security agencies of all countries, we just got caught unprepared during the “farmers’” enemy action.

I think this time, we took the time to prepare and game it out.

We better not climb down.

I predict, at worst, endless chai-biskoot with goras & gora adjacents, with babooz running the paki-dialogue playbook of, “yeses let’s talk only, but about your support for terrorism.”

[Pratyush]

The thing is the India has played this game with TSP for nearly 40 years.

See where TSP stands today.

The Canadians have the advantage of being a neighbour of USA. Therefore, there is a limit to the economic pressure that India can bring to bear against the Canadians.

But an economic boycott of that country will still be quite effective.

10 billion USD for a 2 trillion USD GDP is not going to break the bank. But it will still cause a great deal of pain.

Our focus should be turn Canada into a headache for the US deep state. By compelling them into a deeper embrace with the PRC.

While we try to secure our energy and raw material sources from South America, Africa and Australia.

[Mort Walker]

I think india has enough humint to doff the khalistanis on a case to case basis .. when the yoosaa doffs off its undesirables by drones publicly why would anyone be bothered..lol . Geopolitics is a game no right or wrong, right

Also a wakeup call for all Hindus worldwide to unite

What is being done to Indian Hindus in Canada is going to happen in California next. The ingredients are ripe. Kterrorists running around and CA Bill 403 on caste is the start. CA gov. Newsom has until Oct. 14th to sign SB 403. If CA Hindus were smart, they should stop voting for the Dems.

[chetak]

Murthy ji,


orders have already gone out to confiscate properties, bank accounts, and other assets of khalistanis and their sympathizers. Their OCI and other privileges are being cancelled, and they are being put on no fly lists, and their sympathizers are also being similarly buggered

this should have been done during the farmer's agitation

but no matter, देर आये दुरुस्त आये and karma never forgets

let's see which dakait opens his gob now

There is a whole world of difference between "attached" and "confiscated"

I think, like all security agencies of all countries, we just got caught unprepared during the “farmers’” enemy action.

I think this time, we took the time to prepare and game it out.

We better not climb down.

I predict, at worst, endless chai-biskoot with goras & gora adjacents, with babooz running the paki-dialogue playbook of, “yeses let’s talk only, but about your support for terrorism.”

Murthy ji,

justinder has already made clear what he wants India to do so we should throw in the towel, and simply honor the white man's demand.

Don't really see any other option that is open to a poor third world nation like us

“In a visit to The New York Times on Thursday, Trudeau said he wanted to see “a number of people thrown in jail”, plus “a series of lessons learned and changes made to the way Indian intelligence services operate”,” wrote Austen.

Asked what would be the most fitting resolution to the situation, the G7 leader was quoted as saying, “A number of people thrown in jail, convicted. A series of lessons learned and changes made to the way the Indian government and the intelligence services operate”.

https://theprint.in/diplomacy/trudeau-v ... g/1775039/

[krithivas]

Paramar effect has turned rightly the spotlight on Canada's support for terrorism. Trudeau is left mud-faced. The world is asking why Air India Kanishka happened? Were the RCMP and CSIS that impotent, incompetent and imbecile to not have stopped it despite India providing material evidence? Why did they later fail to solve the crime? The world is asking why are celebratory floats of assassinations flooding Canada? The world is asking why posters calling for assassination of Indian diplomats dotting Canada? Trudeau in his immense desperate stupidity turned the flood lights on Canada itself.

Five eyes or three buttocks was a lifeline thrown to Canada for face-saving, But that failed too, Look at the slow Canadian climbdown - Posters calling for assassination of Indian diplomats are being torn down by force. Canada has to come down a hell lot and do a hell lot more. Start with a formal apology for the victims of Air India Kanishka!

[yensoy]

“In a visit to The New York Times on Thursday, Trudeau said he wanted to see “a number of people thrown in jail”, plus “a series of lessons learned and changes made to the way Indian intelligence services operate”,” wrote Austen.

तो करो ना तुम्हे किसने रोका है ?
Go make a case, arrest some people, build a dossier and ask for interpol notice for those not in the country. You want to outsource the investigation to India too, with presumption of complicity/guilt already built in?

Its clear there is no case here.

It's also noteworthy that US has been monitoring communications regarding some random Canadian murder. Or it was not so random and Nijjar was somebody's asset. You decide.

NYT... well yeah we know how that ship tilts

[drnayar]

I am curious as to who is influencing the section of indian media drumming up " CIA motivated falsdu and provided intelligence yada yada.. we all know about five eys etc China seems to have a field day drumming up its section in the indian press !!

[drnayar]

“In a visit to The New York Times on Thursday, Trudeau said he wanted to see “a number of people thrown in jail”, plus “a series of lessons learned and changes made to the way Indian intelligence services operate”,” wrote Austen.

तो करो ना तुम्हे किसने रोका है ?
Go make a case, arrest some people, build a dossier and ask for interpol notice for those not in the country. You want to outsource the investigation to India too, with presumption of complicity/guilt already built in?

Its clear there is no case here.

It's also noteworthy that US has been monitoring communications regarding some random Canadian murder. Or it was not so random and Nijjar was somebody's asset. You decide.

NYT... well yeah we know how that ship tilts

..Nijjar was a canadian intelligence operative .hence the khujli as to "how indian intelligence operates" .. the a$$ faced falsdu cannot be more circumspect

[Rakesh]

one fears that there is more to come.

The saga will not end so easily.

Thank you chetak-ji.

That this has to be explained in a post is disappointing.

[vimal]

I’m disappointed at the Indian media’s confusing messaging. Why waste words by using terms like “Khalistani Separatist “ , militant, fighter etc.

Just call them Canadian Terror Group.
Canada becomes Afghanistan.
Images of training camps 24x7.

[Tanaji]

The Indian media should really focus on why killing of suspects (which they legally are until convicted in a court) by United States on foreign soil is allowed and celebrated but by others is against the “rules based order”.

The rules of the debate need to be challenged regularly or else we are always in a reactionary mode.

[chetak]

Thank you chetak-ji.

That this has to be explained in a post is disappointing.

Apologies Rakesh ji.

That didn't come out right. My bad

Notwithstanding, your point is well taken and valid.