Why are you apologizing for something that was not directed at you?
My apologies - to you! - for not being clear to whom it was directed.
Yeah, don't expect Indian media to do any original thinking. But the Modi govt knows how to play them. So far this announcement by the Canadian Pappu has not caused any domestic or international negative repercussions for the Govt of India. Let me list it out.Tanaji wrote: ↑24 Sep 2023 23:07 The Indian media should really focus on why the killing of suspects (which they legally are until convicted in a court) by the United States on foreign soil is allowed and celebrated but by others is against the “rules-based order”.
The rules of the debate need to be challenged regularly or else we are always in a reactionary mode.
Post it in Rumble toosanman wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 03:41 I just posted a video above via Youtube --- but my Youtube account was disabled within minutes of my uploading it.
I'm making available the same video through this other video website -- let me know if you can see it:
https://vimeo.com/867743527
Canadian Jewish organizations and social media critics are slamming the Canadian Parliament for giving a man who fought for the Nazis a standing ovation during an event featuring Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s visit to the country.
"FSWC is appalled that Canada’s Parliament gave a standing ovation to a Ukrainian veteran who served in a Nazi military unit during the Second World War implicated in the mass murder of Jews and others. An apology and explanation is owed," the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Canadian nonprofit dedicated to educating people on the Holocaust, wrote on X, previously known as Twitter.
Video and photos show the Canadian Parliament erupted into cheers on Friday during Zelenskyy’s visit to the country’s capital of Ottawa, when Canadian lawmakers also honored Yaroslav Hunka, a 98-year-old Ukrainian immigrant who fought for the First Ukrainian Division, according to the Toronto Star. That division was also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, which fought for the Nazis as its paramilitary arm under the Schutzstaffel organization, according to the outlet.
"The fact that a veteran who served in a Nazi military unit was invited to and given a standing ovation in Parliament is shocking. At a time of rising antisemitism and Holocaust distortion, it is incredibly disturbing to see Canada's Parliament rise to applaud an individual who was a member of a unit in the Waffen-SS, a Nazi military branch responsible for the murder of Jews and others and that was declared a criminal organization during the Nuremberg Trials," the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center continued in their statement.
I have stated in an earlier post, that this story will be over in the next 15 days.
September 24, 2023
New Delhi
In what has come as a diplomatic triumph for India, New Delhi’s fact and evidence-based strong narrative against Canada’s “politically driven” controversial claims has met with the approval of a significant part of the global community. Top leaders and ministers from various countries including Quad member states Japan and Australia and some European nations who were in New York to attend the 78th session of the UNGA share India’s concern about how Canada has turned into “a safe haven for terrorists”. They were convinced as India flagged inaction by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
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avid wrote:Without knowing the identity of the primary suspects
GoI will do it because of impact to Indian family members only. You can have your views but I bet this is what will happen. Message has been conveyed, posters are being torn down (and documented to show earlier inaction), embassy staff has been right-sized and Canada is feeling the pinch. Only FATF remaining.
Pratyush,Pratyush wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 07:00 SKumar, what is this fetish with the PM making a statement in the parliament over everything under the sun?
What we have is a case of a dog chasing a car. Why do you think that the car driver should stop his car?
Trudeau, made half cocked allegation against India in his parliament.
He is a Canadian problem to solve.
We have said what needs to be said, through the Indian media. People can try to ignore that, at their own peril.
When even Barkha Dutt is on the message. Then you know that India is extremely sure of what is happening.
skumar, please use your personal social media profile for such messages. Thanksskumar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 08:23 If you see it as a fetish, so be it. You will see more messages from me on this, so deal with it.
It is slightly more serious than a dog chasing a car. Modi ji may be making the same mistake he did with CAA and the farm laws allowing it to get out of hand.
A direct address by him sets out the red lines for every one. His silence leads to more speculation.
1) When India has already called the allegations absurd. There is no reason for Indian PM or even EAM to address this topic anymore.
Do you mean to say that merely saying that the PM should address Parliament on this issue is a no-go on this forum?hnair wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 08:37skumar, please use your personal social media profile for such messages. Thanksskumar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 08:23 If you see it as a fetish, so be it. You will see more messages from me on this, so deal with it.
It is slightly more serious than a dog chasing a car. Modi ji may be making the same mistake he did with CAA and the farm laws allowing it to get out of hand.
A direct address by him sets out the red lines for every one. His silence leads to more speculation.
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That is a different POV and that is fine.Najunamar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 08:58 I don't think the situations (Farmers agitation and Falsdu's allegations) are comparable. Also, it may have been a tactical retreat that is not a big deal in tge grand scheme. This situation has to be dealt with finesse as we are also sending a messafe to any wannabee two bit actors.
Yes. You are not “merely saying”, but demanding things off the PM. Trudeau is being dealt with at the appropriate levels (for now) by GOI and admins don’t want to deal with you continuing your demands. Please use your social media handle for that.
Right.A_Gupta wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 09:14 IMO a clear message has been conveyed to the Indian-origin community in Canada - if you want to keep ties with India then don’t be sheep who vote for the Liberal or NDP candidate because “leaders” like Nijjar tell you so. Otherwise you could find yourself barred from visiting India indefinitely.
skumar Ji, PM, should not waste Parliamentary bandwidth on allegations thrown by people in another country's parliament. He cannot respond when the allegations are heard from the Media. He responded to Canadian Pappu when he met. If other parliamentarians ask for an explanation, he can respond. In this case, the opposition has not demanded such an explanation. Also, the PM does not monitor insinuations that come from newsrooms and press briefings. He does not have the time. He gets intelligence briefings, and even there, things get filtered out to the most important things he should act on. In this case, NSA Doval would have told him what happened and advised him what he should do. He might have spoken a few words with the EAM and HM, and then collective action is taken. That is pretty much it. PM has much larger fish to fry than just responding to all the Pappus of the world. It might be a serious thing for Pappu but it is not for a large state's leader like our PM.skumar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 09:10That is a different POV and that is fine.Najunamar wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023 08:58 I don't think the situations (Farmers agitation and Falsdu's allegations) are comparable. Also, it may have been a tactical retreat that is not a big deal in tge grand scheme. This situation has to be dealt with finesse as we are also sending a messafe to any wannabee two bit actors.
Nothing is going to happen because I say it or someone else says it.
We have a chance to put Canada on the mat. I believe that GoI heard the sigint insinuation from Justinder earlier, knew it was faulty and dismissed it (no indication on what actually happened). I also believe that Justinder himself may have been given a threat from the NDP, so his noose was very much being strung one way or the other.
Let's face it: The role of U.S. intelligence in emboldening Trudeau to pick a geopolitical fight with India could have a bearing on the direction of U.S.-India ties, not least by reinforcing India's imperative for strategic autonomy. The task of building mutual trust now becomes harder.
Less clear is what Ottawa and Washington have sought to achieve against India through allegations arising from the murky world of espionage, where the line between information and disinformation is easily blurred. With neither Ottawa nor Washington willing to present any video, audio or forensic evidence in support, can vague, unsubstantiated allegations about a "potential" India link to a terrorist's killing serve any purpose, other than to make New Delhi rethink its nascent foreign-policy tilt toward the West?