India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

[Cyrano]

Time to start working on regime change ? Without impinging on anyone's sovereignty and electoral integrity of course...

[chetak]

Would one be completely wrong if one thought that this nijjar playbook was based partially on eliciting a groundswell of Bharatiya "opposition" (read BIF lant swilling, multiracial, gyan ka bhandar and entitled dynastic tribe celebutante) from the allegedly wildly popular "competition" to the allegedly hugely unpopular incumbent premier ministre

After all, that is what happened in the case of pulwama and balakot when the rabid opposition claimed that it was done by Modi for electoral purposes. There was a media riot against Modi on all tv channels and other media

did some hopeful members of the 5eyes mehndi mandali grossly miscalculate when perhaps they banked on the expected street protests and adverse media coverage to corner the Modi govt after they made these unsubstantiated charges ......

Our opposition went gun shy because they knew that this would end badly for them and hugely enhance the incumbent premier ministre's strong man image

Damned if they do and damned if they don't, is the most benign readout for the catatonic opposition

The ball is now firmly in the mehndi mandali's court

[sanman]

One favourite old movie my dad used to enjoy, starring 2 great Brit actors Sean Connery, Michael Caine, and Canadian Christopher Plummer:

It's about a pair of con artists who try to take over the country of 'Kafiristan' and its people:



I feel like we're living in some kind of modern updated sequel to that movie.

[vijayk]

The Wire Varadarajan and Rajdep already started taking Canada side - Human RIghts, No trial, extra-judicial killing etc.

Pappu right now busy with OBC toolkit he got from Belgium trip. Will get on it once $oros teams decide what to do with it

[g.sarkar]

https://www.rediff.com/news/interview/t ... 230922.htm
'Can Modi show that Trudeau is wrong?'
PRASANNA D ZORE, September 25, 2023
'Can Trudeau's evidence hold up? If not, he's finished.'
The diplomatic skirmishes that erupted after Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau alleged in the House of Commons on Monday, September 18, 2023, that India had a hand in the killing of Khalistani Tiger Force leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar -- who India designated a terrorist in 2020 -- which the Indian government has denied and dubbed absurd could get murkier believes Terry Milewski the author of Blood for Blood: Fifty Years of the Global Khalistan Project and a former journalist at the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
"I do not believe that Mr Modi would sit in a meeting with Trudeau making these allegations and would have sat there like a potted plant and not asked any questions. He would have been outraged," Milewski tells Prasanna D Zore/Rediff.com.
The first of a three-part interview:
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https://www.rediff.com/news/interview/t ... 230925.htm
'Canada Created A Khalistani Frankenstein's Monster'
PRASANNA D ZORE, September 25, 2023
'And when the floats go by in the parade garlanded and decorated with the posters of gun toting assassins and murderers and martyrs, you look the other way.'
'And in return we will bring you 10,000 votes because the people of the gurdwaras will vote as we tell them to vote.'
"Nijjar and Parmar are the current heroes. This helps the Khalistan movement in Canada, but I believe it will make no difference worldwide. It will make no difference in Punjab," Terry Milewski -- author of Blood for Blood: Fifty Years of the Global Khalistan Project -- tells Prasanna D Zore/Rediff.comin the second part of a multi-part interview.
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Gautam

[vijayk]

[chetak]

The Wire Varadarajan and Rajdep already started taking Canada side - Human RIghts, No trial, extra-judicial killing etc.

Pappu right now busy with OBC toolkit he got from Belgium trip. Will get on it once $oros teams decide what to do with it

vijay ji,


there is a lot more from paki bots, pushing for pappu as PM

[sanman]

Whether wittingly or unwittingly, China will benefit tremendously from this rift.

But they're not the only ones who will. They're not even the ones who would benefit most.

Even greater beneficiaries would be the Cold War Deep State -- those who helped engineer China's rise in the first place.
Those people cast their lot with China because they had a deeper obsession: RussiaRussiaRussia (USSR)
That arrangement was mutually beneficial to both China and the Cold War Deep State.

Cold War Deep State's alliance with China (and with radical Islam) helped to bring about the defeat of the Soviet Union.
The aftermath of that defeat then saw those tipping forces (China & radical Islam) then going out of control.
Things like 9-11 occurred, which then precipitated Western action on fighting the Islamic radicals, first by invading Afghanistan and then the blunderous misadventures in Iraq & Syria, which only created more radicals in the process.

Now, after finally extricating itself from what they saw as unwanted diversionary distractions in Afghanistan and Iraq, the same Cold War Deep State has returned with a vengeance toward fighting RussiaRussiaRussia.
As before, the Deep Staters still think they can manage the China angle, having abetted China's rise in the first place.
They also think they can keep the American & Western public under their heel, while they pursue their RussiaRussiaRussia fixation.

These Cold War Deep Staters see India's growing strategic clout and ties with the US to be a threat to the traditional Cold War agenda. ("We can't create an alliance against China! We gotta fight RussiaRussiaRussia!")
So the Deep Staters are now using their own clout to throw bombs at the Indo-US relationship to sabotage it.
Five Eyes has now been used by the Deep State as a convenient opportunity to then do an end-run around growing Indo-US amity to derail the rapprochement.

The buildup of the Deep State over the course of the Cold War has created a massive byzantine network with many channels and conduits to do all sorts of things.

[chetak]

[SBajwa]

Khalistanis are Punjabi Jutt chauvinistic terrorists who have nothing to do with Sikhism. Sikhism is universal without any barriers to language, creed, color, culture, etc.

[vijayk]

Khalistanis are Punjabi Jutt chauvinistic terrorists who have nothing to do with Sikhism. Sikhism is universal without any barriers to language, creed, color, culture, etc.

Absolutely

[yensoy]

Here's a thought. Let's invite Quebec, Scot & Basque separatists, and remaining Irish nationalists to R'day 2024. Two can play this game.

[sanjaykumar]

I think this visa curtailment has forced the silent Sikh majority to declare themselves.

There is a lot of traffic back and forth. With property family and marriage ties stronger than most expatriate communities, they will put pressure to better relations. They may not do so openly as they are always going to be under potential threat from extremists.

[krithivas]

Opinion: Trudeau’s fumble on India

Whatever the case, even for someone described as being made of Teflon, the consequences of the India crisis for Trudeau could be politically fatal if not deftly handled — especially with Ottawa’s traditional best friend, Washington, unlikely to throw a lifeline.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/24/opinions ... index.html

[partha]

Opinion: Trudeau’s fumble on India

Whatever the case, even for someone described as being made of Teflon, the consequences of the India crisis for Trudeau could be politically fatal if not deftly handled — especially with Ottawa’s traditional best friend, Washington, unlikely to throw a lifeline.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/24/opinions ... index.html

Multiple articles in the last couple of days hinting at US throwing Trudeau under the bus and also there is an article in HT where Indian side is attributed with quotes sympathetic towards US as in "we understand US is caught between its oldest ally and newest best friend". Could this be a result of some backroom dealing between India and US in the last few days?

[yensoy]

^^^^ These kind of articles have a dangerous undertone, which is that US is now choosing to go with India because of its market size and anti-China stance. They do not absolve India of this act (as GoI has claimed and as we on BRF believe), nor to they condone this act (in theory, GoI was arguably within its rights to secure its sovereign security interest in going after a known terrorist after all legal means had been exhausted due to Canadian inaction).

[sanman]

[drnayar]

Opinion: Trudeau’s fumble on India

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/24/opinions ... index.html

Multiple articles in the last couple of days hinting at US throwing Trudeau under the bus and also there is an article in HT where Indian side is attributed with quotes sympathetic towards US as in "we understand US is caught between its oldest ally and newest best friend". Could this be a result of some backroom dealing between India and US in the last few days?

Let's just understand that Canada =/= trudeau . His political career is over.

But we need to keep in mind there is no "bad" publicity in politics..just like Boris the Johnson opp the Atlantic he would flounder about leaving others wondering wtf

[vimal]

^^^^ These kind of articles have a dangerous undertone, which is that US is now choosing to go with India because of its market size and anti-China stance. They do not absolve India of this act (as GoI has claimed and as we on BRF believe), nor to they condone this act (in theory, GoI was arguably within its rights to secure its sovereign security interest in going after a known terrorist after all legal means had been exhausted due to Canadian inaction).

This is exactly the type of line I’ve seen Canadians take. Felt very similar to Paki line of world siding with India because of its geopolitical importance not because India is right and they are wrong.

[A_Gupta]

Pursuing electoral gains, is Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau digging himself into a deeper hole than he can climb out of? And will the United States choose Canada over India? Watch former Pentagon official Michael Rubin in conversation with ThePrint’s National Security Editor Praveen Swami.

[yensoy]

Q: How to get the world to forget about your big mistake?
A: Make an even bigger mistake

Not implying that inviting a Nazi to a state function is a bigger mistake than dissing the GoI in Parliament, but the focus has shifted to his latest blunder and away from India.

[NRao]

[A_Gupta]

Via Abhijit Iyer-Mitra and then Wiki:

Wiki: Mario Bachand

François Mario Bachand was found shot to death in the apartment of Pierre Barral and his wife, Françoise, in the Paris suburb of St. Ouen on March 29, 1971, following a cous cous lunch with them and Norman Roy and Denyse Leduc of the DEFLQ (Delegation extérierure du FLQ). He was assassinated by 3 shots from a .22 calibre pistol with a silencer. It is asserted that he was killed by Normand Roy and Denyse Leduc, assisted by the Security and Intelligence branch of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or RCMP Security Service[1]

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The Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau PC CC CH QC FRSC was Prime Minister of Canada at the time.

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Warning: the allegation that "Operation Whitelaw" was sanctioned by the government of Canada to assassinate Bachand is as far as I can tell, is the work of one journalist. I don''t know the quality of the evidence.

[williams]

I want to point out how much Indian Diplomatic strategy has transformed. In the past, a travel advisory was used to beat India when India wanted to take any assertive action against Paki terrorist attack. Canadians living in the past thought of the same and issued the same. India not only issued similar advisory for Canada but also said if you are worried about traveling to India, please don't come and shut the Visa processing. Now Canadian travel advisory is effectively voided.

[Pratyush]

I had estimated that this story would be over in 15 days.

It's over in under 7.

But Canada still has to be held accountable.

I was amused to see a retired head of Canadian intelligence and security services saying that evidence shared by India was not enough to extradite.

I think that he was right.

Because, India is not sufficiently differential to the English Royalty. No evidence shared by India will ever be good enough.

This is a nice and a big stick with which to beat the Canadians from now on.

Lets make the Canadians own it. .

[sanjaykumar]

Hmm….what can we expect from India when it is the third largest economy?

One hopes it continues its benign engagement with most of the world. This Canada affair I believe can lead to clearing the air and much closer relations. Canada has some smart liberal people. I would not make unnecessary antagonists.

Obviously the Indians don’t think much of Trudeau, but he is not Canada.

[Pratyush]

Let's not be quick to give Canada or its liberals a clean chit.

Justin was not the PM in early 80s. Yet that is when Canada turned a blind eye and allowed Kanishka.

Our efforts have to be focused on making the Canadians own every decision that they have made WRT, India over the last 50 years.

A few days ago, some Canadian clown was trying to deflect the 2018 invitation to that convicted terrorist. That India was somehow responsible for that event.

Once you have stupidity of that level. There is no comming back.

[Aditya_V]

I agree with your points but his father was he PM. It was afront, Trial Baloon etc. But effectively the 5 eyes are one nation. Thier problem is they want absolute dominace in the world, it is this quest for ultimate power which causes problems, there seems to be no concept of live and let live.

[sanman]

^^^^ These kind of articles have a dangerous undertone, which is that US is now choosing to go with India because of its market size and anti-China stance. They do not absolve India of this act (as GoI has claimed and as we on BRF believe), nor to they condone this act (in theory, GoI was arguably within its rights to secure its sovereign security interest in going after a known terrorist after all legal means had been exhausted due to Canadian inaction).

They also don't seem to care that Canada has become a haven for terrorists -- in spite of the awful lessons that were supposed to have been learned after 9-11, when those hijackers came via Canada. They've quickly sunk back into their same mode all over again, as their preferred state. What happens when these 9-11 type attacks occur all over again, due to their renewed laxity?

[Vayutuvan]

Without knowing the identity of the primary suspects

What happened to the Police of Kaneda (r they incompetent?).

Royally Corrupt Moron Police - RCMP

[chetak]

snakes in the backyard, which party had backed them to spout this invective.......

-SGPC executive passes special resolution on India-Canada issue

-Statement of Prime Minister is not considered common in Parliament of any country: SGPC

-Hate propaganda against Sikhs and Punjab strongly condemned

Amritsar:
The executive meeting of the Shiromani Gurdwara… pic.twitter.com/xa20x1XzNg

— Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (@SGPCAmritsar) September 25, 2023

The SGPC passed a special resolution in the executive meeting presided over by the SGPC President Harjinder Singh Dhami, a leader of the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) and advocate. The resolution passed stated, “The statement given by the Prime Minister in the Parliament of any country is not understood as common, rather considered to be fact-based within the scope of the dignity of the concerned country’s constitution.”

[chetak]

I agree with your points but his father was he PM. It was afront, Trial Baloon etc. But effectively the 5 eyes are one nation. Thier problem is they want absolute dominace in the world, it is this quest for ultimate power which causes problems, there seems to be no concept of live and let live.

But effectively the 5 eyes are one nation.

Aditya saar,

Look at the striking commonalities

the colonizer and the 4 colonized.

That is the common thread: racism, white supremacy, language, WASP culture and most important, the loot, land grab, and savage exploitation and pillage of the natives,

and some unmitigated poppycock about some BS "rules based international order"

[sanman]

snakes in the backyard, which party had backed them to spout this invective.......

-SGPC executive passes special resolution on India-Canada issue

-Statement of Prime Minister is not considered common in Parliament of any country: SGPC

-Hate propaganda against Sikhs and Punjab strongly condemned

Amritsar:
The executive meeting of the Shiromani Gurdwara… pic.twitter.com/xa20x1XzNg

— Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (@SGPCAmritsar) September 25, 2023

The SGPC passed a special resolution in the executive meeting presided over by the SGPC President Harjinder Singh Dhami, a leader of the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) and advocate. The resolution passed stated, “The statement given by the Prime Minister in the Parliament of any country is not understood as common, rather considered to be fact-based within the scope of the dignity of the concerned country’s constitution.”

I don't understand the meaning of the SGPC statement. Can someone explain it to me in plainer english?

[chetak]

snakes in the backyard, which party had backed them to spout this invective.......





The SGPC passed a special resolution in the executive meeting presided over by the SGPC President Harjinder Singh Dhami, a leader of the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) and advocate. The resolution passed stated, “The statement given by the Prime Minister in the Parliament of any country is not understood as common, rather considered to be fact-based within the scope of the dignity of the concerned country’s constitution.”

I don't understand the meaning of the SGPC statement. Can someone explain it to me in plainer english?

sanman ji,

The akali dal and the badals are supporting kaneda and have gone against India onlee. They control the SGPC

they are saying exactly what justinder singh khalistania has been saying, with no ifs and buts, or any sort of caveats

at the same time, badal's wife harsimrat kaur badal, is in serious talks with the BJP for an alliance which they themselves had broken during the "farmer's agitation"

go figure

[Pratyush]

If the badal family doesn't return to NDA. They have no future.

But they're doing everything to ensure that it cannot happen.

Very very interesting.

[sanman]

[sanman]

[chetak]

If the badal family doesn't return to NDA. They have no future.

But they're doing everything to ensure that it cannot happen.

Very very interesting.

Pratyush ji,


the SGPC seems to believe justinder singh khalistania's version of things and not India’s version and they themselves are known and vocal supporters of the secessionists

On 23 September, Akali Dal MP Harsimrat Kaur Badal supported pro-Khalistani Canadian singer Shubh calling him a “proud son of Punjab”. The singer’s India tour was cancelled owing to outrage against him for sharing a distorted map of India.

running with the hare and hunting with the hounds is par for the course, as far as the demented husband and wife duo are concerned

But this time around, amrinder singh is with the BJP and that may be a big spanner in the works for the demented duo

[sanman]

burning tricolour in Toronto

[Pratyush]

Good show, we should not be bothered by such actions.

We should organise a protest in Canada for the burning of Trudeau's potrait. Using free speech as a shield.

Let's see how Trudeau will respond to such an act.