India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 02:13

Enjoy!

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 02:52

The questions asked by Nayema Raza of New York magazine are more revealing than what Turdeau blurted in their parliament.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 27 Sep 2023 03:04

So Canada has a long history of harboring genocidal hate groups and terrorists. What a nice little peaceful nation.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Sep 2023 03:26

The army officer convicted for the assassination of Bangladesh’s founder President Sheikh Mujibur Rahman & his family has been hiding in Canada for 25 years.

A true safe haven for terrorists and criminals, not just from India.

My take:

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/17 ... 9639946569

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 27 Sep 2023 03:36

I do not know anything about this Yarosalv Hunka, but the name Yaroslav is Slavic in origin, I have Polish friends with that name. During WWII, the German concentration camps were mostly manned by Ukrainians, as true Germans were fighting the Soviet Union and could not be spared. The officers were German, but often consisted of men from Austria, Moravia and other Ethnic German areas. The Ukrainians guards were well known for their barbarism. After WWII, Uncle Joe properly took care of all those who switched over to the German side. He had a treaty with the allied powers that all Soviet citizens would be repatriated back to the USSR. Even those that surrendered and then kept in concentration camps by the Germans were taken care of by Uncle Joe. I wonder how Hunka got away.
Gautam

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 27 Sep 2023 03:54

^^ Uncle had no problem accepting someone even remotely useful. Rest was just drama for public consumption and as usual the foot soldiers got the short end of the stick.
Wasn’t NASA founded on the rocket technology provide by Nazi scientists all of who were provided US citizenship.

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Sep 2023 04:04

vimal wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 01:53

I won’t be surprised if that Junkie Trudeau starts celebrating Osama jayanti along with Bhindarwala birthday. That should get him a lot of votes.

Justinder Turd-Deau likes to party. Wants to show his pretty face and get attention and is so self-centered that he feels he is the center of the universe and he has happened to universe.

This is an opportunity Vimal'ji. On Bhindiwallah's birthday, Turd-Deu should be seen celebrating Bhindiwallah's birthday with the abhorrent floats being reused by Khalistanis (the ones which are so abhorrent to even mention here) and khalistanis celebrating all their acts of cowardice like Kanishka (as courage) with all of media in tow and beamed world wide as "celebrating freedom of expression and hooman rights and kanadian cultural diversity".

Turd-deau should be at helm. I identified him as a pappu some 10 years back and was saddened when he got elected. Now I feel he should be at helm. Single-handedly he is stinking up the entire western "democracies". His name is apt.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Sep 2023 05:06

News report on Nijjar from 2016:

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/695653443566/

williams · Post by **williams** » 27 Sep 2023 05:19

Cyrano wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 02:13 Enjoy!

Where do they get these reporters? They simply blurt out the same thing some hearsay by newsroom opinion makers and expect to get a different answer. The bottom line is there is no credible intelligence yet Pappu ji tried to defend the freedom of expression of terrorists in the Canadian parliament.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 27 Sep 2023 06:20

vimal wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 03:54 ^^ Uncle had no problem accepting someone even remotely useful. Rest was just drama for public consumption and as usual the foot soldiers got the short end of the stick.
Wasn’t NASA founded on the rocket technology provide by Nazi scientists all of who were provided US citizenship.

You are referring to Wernher Freiherr von Braun, who was actually born in Poland. Von Braun worked in the development of the V2. There must also be a Soviet equivalent of von Braun, as scientists doing rocket technology was divided between USSR and USA, after WWII was over. Uncle Joe was not really concerned about the public and its consumption, so he just killed those he did not like or those that were not useful. Very few German POWs came back alive, after years of hard labor, but the same is true for the Soviet POWs in German custody. Soviet military that had joined the Germans were just eliminated quickly as traitors.
Gautam

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Sep 2023 06:42

FWIIW.

Justin Trudeau’s plane was full of cocaine: Former Indian diplomat Deepak Vohra says the Canadian PM was depressed and high in Delhi

On Monday, September 25, former Indian ambassador to Sudan, Deepak Vohra made shocking claims about the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and slammed him for allegedly extending his support to Khalistanis.

“When Justin Trudeau came to India for the G20 this month, his plane was full of cocaine. He did not come out of his room for two days,” Vohra said while speaking to journalist Deepak Chaurasia on a Zee News debate show.

Vohra indicated that the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, behaves like he is a small kid and that he has very little knowledge about international relations.

“In his parliament address, he used the words ‘credible allegations’ against India. How can allegations be credible? Either it can be credible or an allegation. I also have a ‘credible rumour’ to make in this case that ‘Trudeau’ is crazy. It is a credible rumor,” he said.

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chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 27 Sep 2023 06:55

Canada's Business of International Students

Canada International Student Statistics

Canada is the world's third-leading destination for international students to get a higher education degree. With 807,750 study permit holders in higher education by 2022, the Canadian education system has proven to be of the highest quality. The benefits of studying in Canada as an international student include the affordability of tuition fees and living costs, along with the popularity of Canadian universities worldwide.

The total number of international students in all education levels in Canada is 807,750 (study permit holders), including higher education.
Of the total 807,750 study permit holders, 551,405 received a study permit in 2022 in Canada.
India has the most study permit holders in 2022 in Canada, with 226,450 students.
...

How international students became big business for schools

In 2012, nine out of 10 students at Kitchener’s Conestoga College were domestic. Today, they have more international students than any institution across the country … almost as many as the University of Toronto and the University of British Columbia combined. This year, Canada is on track to bring in 900,000 international students.

Student immigration visas are a money-making business

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 27 Sep 2023 07:18

chanakyaa wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 06:55 Canada's Business of International Students

Canada International Student Statistics

India has the most study permit holders in 2022 in Canada, with 226,450 students.
...

There are so many students that Indian students have been unable to find a job. There was an article where girls are being taken advantage of and forced into prostitution while some girls are voluntarily doing it. The skills learnt from Canadian colleges is nil to none with a few exceptions.

Adding link:
https://tnc.news/2023/06/09/internation ... sex-trade/

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 27 Sep 2023 08:54

NRao wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 06:42 FWIIW.

Justin Trudeau’s plane was full of cocaine: Former Indian diplomat Deepak Vohra says the Canadian PM was depressed and high in Delhi

On Monday, September 25, former Indian ambassador to Sudan, Deepak Vohra made shocking claims about the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and slammed him for allegedly extending his support to Khalistanis.

“When Justin Trudeau came to India for the G20 this month, his plane was full of cocaine. He did not come out of his room for two days,” Vohra said while speaking to journalist Deepak Chaurasia on a Zee News debate show.

Vohra indicated that the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, behaves like he is a small kid and that he has very little knowledge about international relations.

“In his parliament address, he used the words ‘credible allegations’ against India. How can allegations be credible? Either it can be credible or an allegation. I also have a ‘credible rumour’ to make in this case that ‘Trudeau’ is crazy. It is a credible rumor,” he said.

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Is this GoI's way of firing a warning shot across the bows? Our ambassadors are IFS folks, and they won't say things without giving it some thought. So a former ambassador making this statement is not something to be taken lightly, and might even be taken as unofficial confirmation of earlier rumours.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 27 Sep 2023 09:01

disha wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 04:04 Justinder Turd-Deau likes to party. Wants to show his pretty face and get attention and is so self-centered that he feels he is the center of the universe and he has happened to universe.

I think we on BRF should recognize Shri Trudeau's unceasing efforts for the khalistani dream and should reward him with a befitting title: Justinder Bill Khaalistani (JBK). "Bill" stands for "billi" as opposed to "Singh", using which would be an affront to Guru Gobind Singh-ji's initiation of the Panj-pyaare into a Khalsa. "Khaali" as opposed to "khali" since this stan is in some empty tract of someone's imagination. Canada does have a large area of "khaali" stanas which can be used to realize this dream they so cherish.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2023 09:03

I have seen Ambassador Vohra speak to different people.

He is an extremely smart person.

It's not necessary for him to follow the government instructions for this statement.

He is perfectly capable of saying that on his own initiative.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 27 Sep 2023 09:07

Pratyush wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 09:03 I have seen Ambassador Vohra speak to different people.

He is an extremely smart person.

It's not necessary for him to follow the government instructions for this statement.

He is perfectly capable of saying that on his own initiative.

What I meant was that this is a serious allegation which an ex-IFS bureaucrat won't get into by themselves. Especially a smart person like Amb Vohra. He can say anything to articulate our position without getting into these details which, if true, put Canada in an extremely poor light and would cause serious loss of face and have its impact on Indo-Canadian relations as well. Of course GoI wouldn't confirm such a thing, but why would even a retired IFS officer risk his credibility by stating something like this?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2023 09:24

If Trudeau didn't care about his or his parliament's credibility.

Then why should a retired ambassador saying credible rumour effect his credibility?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Sep 2023 09:49

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/wor ... 2023-09-27

> The Prime Minister's Office in Canada has dismissed "troubling" comments from a former Indian diplomat, who says there was a "credible rumour" that Indian sniffer dogs discovered cocaine from Justin Trudeau's plane during his recent G20 meeting in New Delhi.

> The PMO in Canada, however, denied the unsubstantiated claim. “This (is) absolutely false and a troubling example of how disinformation can make its way into media reporting,” the statement read, as per Toronto Sun.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2023 10:05

I think that the Ambassador Vohra has made his point.

The Canadians are just too stupid to understand that.

bala · Post by **bala** » 27 Sep 2023 10:19

A_Gupta wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 09:49 https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/wor ... 2023-09-27

> The Prime Minister's Office in Canada has dismissed "troubling" comments from a former Indian diplomat,
> The PMO in Canada, however, denied the unsubstantiated claim.

I would be shocked if the PMO did not deny or defend their boy wonder Trudoodoo. Tis par for the course, but internally they know what a slob Trudoodoo has been, he cannot contain himself with the pot induced mind of his. I am sure the five eyes nations know the true saga but they won't admit it openly.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 27 Sep 2023 10:21

vimal wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 03:54 ^^
Wasn’t NASA founded on the rocket technology provide by Nazi scientists all of who were provided US citizenship.

Right you are : Check Peenemunde and what to happened to the scientist who worked there

bala · Post by **bala** » 27 Sep 2023 10:49

A little prior to Peenemunde:

British East India Company, who ruled India, did a frantic search (after Shivkur Talpade's MARUTSHAKTI vimana model flew over Chowpatty beach in Mumbai in 1895) all over India for Sanskrit texts on Vimana and took it away. Many Indian Sanskrit scholars were kidnapped in India and they were never heard of anymore. Vedic Vimanas or flying saucers used mercury vortex ion engines. The Vedic texts in Sanskrit were taken to Germany by Hermann Gundert. Indian INA leader Subhash Chandra Bose helped Hitler with Sanskrit translations, by using Bengali Sanskrit Pandits. The ion engine was then demonstrated by German-born NASA scientist Ernst Stuhlinger. There are old pictures that show Germany was creating some vimana like structure. Operation paper clip was a top secret operation by USA whereby German astrophysicists lives were spared if they would give the plasma vortex technology to USA. USA stole all Germany’s aeronautics flight engineers and missile engineers.

On April 4, 1944 at 4:40 a.m. the German submarine U-859 left on a mysterious mission carrying 67 men and 33 tons of mercury sealed in glass bottles in watertight tin crates. The sub was sunk by a British submarine and most of the crew died. Naval divers checked out the story and found all the mercury.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Sep 2023 10:53

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Sep 2023 11:25

A_Gupta wrote: ↑26 Sep 2023 17:37 What sanman said +100

What.? Bharat can crush this puny drug addled puppu and his mistress Melonie Joly with little effort. Blackface made Israel and Poland get on top of his case with that standing ovation to a known nazi soldier. This nepokid is caput

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Sep 2023 11:35

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 27 Sep 2023 11:38

Brantford police investigate billboard depicting Justin Trudeau beside image of Hitler

Police in Brantford, Ont. are investigating a billboard depicting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wearing a Nazi uniform standing beside Adolf Hitler.

Robin Matthews-Osmond, a spokesperson for the Brantford Police Service, says officers are looking into the report of the offensive billboard near the corner of Colborne Street and Alfred Street, near the city's core.

An image of the billboard surfaced on social media Monday afternoon, the same day police began investigating.

The billboard depicts Justin Trudeau performing the Nazi salute beside Hitler next to the phrase "Trudeau 4 Treason."

Hitler led Nazi fascists in Germany during the Second World War when roughly six million Jewish people were murdered during the Holocaust.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 27 Sep 2023 11:40

As per AlJazeera, Trudeau was played by his own intelligence team, worth a read: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023 ... adas-spies

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 11:44

Scott Ritter blows apart the carefully crafted facade of western countries and their intelligence agencies:

Note the part where he says infiltrating diaspora and using them against their former country has been going on for decades. Be it Ukraine against Russia or Muslims and Sikhs against Bharat, there are presumably many other examples.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 27 Sep 2023 11:57

There are at least 3 khalistani gangs who fight for the uppr hand in drug running and control of gurudwaras. Khalistan tiger force (ktf), Khalistan liberation front (klf), International sikh youth federation (isyf). Canadia police was on the record saying Nijjar killed his rival gang member Ripudman. It should be easy to piece together everything from here on for half asleep police force. .

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 27 Sep 2023 12:18

vimal wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 03:54 ^^ Uncle had no problem accepting someone even remotely useful. Rest was just drama for public consumption and as usual the foot soldiers got the short end of the stick.
Wasn’t NASA founded on the rocket technology provide by Nazi scientists all of who were provided US citizenship.

Not just the scientists ..look at the names of all the NATO secretary generals at the very start of that alliance!!

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 12:24

They can deny all they want, but under the hood you'll find clear signs of awe for the German nazi war machine.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Sep 2023 12:24

drnayar wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 12:18
vimal wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 03:54 ^^ Uncle had no problem accepting someone even remotely useful. Rest was just drama for public consumption and as usual the foot soldiers got the short end of the stick.
Wasn’t NASA founded on the rocket technology provide by Nazi scientists all of who were provided US citizenship.
Not just the scientists ..look at the names of all the NATO secretary generals at the very start of that alliance!!

drnayar ji,

This very expressive phrase sums it all up extremely well....

"He's a b@$t@rd, but he is our b@$t@rd"

Roop · Post by **Roop** » 27 Sep 2023 12:35

Re. what ex-Amb. Vohra said, I think there is roughly zero percent probability that he said it without first getting unofficial clearance (the proverbial "a nod and a wink") from GoI. Therefore, I now think these rumours are true. (Previously, I had my doubts).

Re. German rocket scientists at the end of WW2, it is absolutely true that both the US rocket program as well as its Soviet equivalent received huge boosts from the brainpower of captured German rocket scientists. IMO, no Germans, no Sputnik in 1955 and no Appollo moon landing in 1968 (or was it 1969? I forget now). Both those achievements would have been delayed by at least a decade without the captured Germans.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 14:02

Parsing this ill mannered and equally presumptuous Nayeema's question:

"You are saying you have no evidence of.. this relates to the Canadian story which I'm sure you are sick of speaking about..eh umm... have the Canadians..there has been reporting that there have been progressive visits of Canadians to India including in August, you're saying that you never familiarised yourself with the documents that were provided err umm could no documents have been provided to you by the Canadians that purport to show evidence that Indian officials were err umm were aware that of this attack. You have not seen...these intercepted comm...

JS cuts her off. "Are you saying that the Canadians gave us documents?"

Stumped, she says "I'm asking you if the Canadians gave you intercepted documents"..(of)... "Indian diplomatic communications"

JS smoothly interjects and says "No, look, I have said that if somebody gives us specific and relevant information we are prepared to look at it"

Nayeema Be-adab continues "SO you have not received those intercepted communications from the Canadian"

JS: "If I had, wouldn't I be looking at it"

Nayeema Be-wakoof continues "I'm asking you for a yes or know"

The moderator interjects and says "I thinks he answered the question

Nayeema Be-Hayaa continues "Actually I have a second question..."

JS the Be-reham shuts her up "I'm not answering your second question".

Each person is allowed 1 question at that event, and Be-naquaab-ed Nayeema blew her one chance !

I said this is very revealing and points to what myself and others have speculated on this thread.

- Canada & 4 eyes have been spying on Indian diplomats for quite a while now. Since months or years no one really knows, but everyone can guess

- They have indeed intercepted communications - presumably conversations since Nayeema Be-akal says "transcripts" - which are most likely phones were trapped or offices/vehicles/homes of our diplomatic staff were bugged.
- These were given by the Canadians to Indian officals some time after Nijjar was killed.
- India dismissed them since they were "neither specific nor relevant", possibly in 1 on 1 meetings that happened between Canadian and Indian officials,
- Possibly Canada also raised this out of turn and out of agenda in the G20 NSA meetings. But they must have got rejected and hauled on coals on their non action on a bunch of extradition requests for years in front of all the other NSAs present. Plus Indian NSA would have asked them where did these transcripts come from? They of course cannot answer in front of all the other G20 NSAs. They fold tail and go back.
- Turdeau is pissed, the ongoing RCMP investigation makes no headway and Hagmeet is humping him every day.

- This could also be because Najjar was a Canadian asset, who was actually working for CIA.

- It is also possible that Najjar was bumped off by his gang war enemies or by Canadian/American agencies with the sole purpose of containing Modi/India since they habitually do this to any rising power as a way to exert their dominance - which ceases to be dominance if you don't exert it.

- Before the G20, Turdeau leans on his 4eyes buddies and asks for more info, which they do some digging and produce, but even those do not add up to anything conclusive.
- At the G20, Turdeau wants all the 5ayes buddies to gang up on Modi and confront him but finds no takers.
- His paranoia is at all time high, he refuses to stay in the presidential suite and takes other rooms. Because what he has done to India, India will of course to to him.
- Buddies are pissed, they don't want to rankle or provoke India based on flimsy transcripts, and Bidenwa warns him with a big finger and threatens that he wont smell Turdeau's hair ever again if he goes rogue on this.
- Meanwhile Turdeau is informed that his plane is impounded after drugs are discovered on board.
- Turdeau gets totally out of control, possibly gets tied to his bed by his own security detail, he sulks, threatens, and finallygets his Baap Biden to intervene.
- Bidenwa might have called on an old favour they did when the Indian Pappu was let off by the US after a drug bust during Vajpayee era. After a lot of begging and pleading with NaMo, Turdeau is finally let off.
- Of course during all this, our handsome junkie is shitting enough bricks to build a second Redfort in Delhi and skips President Murum's dinner invite.

- But once back in Canada, the Hagmeet Humping resumes and drug supply is restored. With new courage running through his blood, Turdeau forgets all his promises to NaMo and shits all over the shitty sorry bunch of nazi-apologist geezers that they call the Canadian parliament.

This time, NaMo is pitiless and tells JS, AD & AS to do what they need to do.

In their infinite patience and wisdom, the trio has so far limited slinging match to Canada in public. AS jumps on the opt and starts a massive kalistani-hunt, which would have the predictable consequence of Hadmeet humping even harder. The US made some half hearted noises saying India should cooperate, but has no way of compelling India to even lift a finger in the matter, and is worried of getting exposure once again in full public glare on a range of misdeeds.

The rest of the 5ayes (by pure coincidence of course) who also harbour significant Khalistani terrorists on their soil are nervous and unsure what to do next and while Bidenwa makes up his leftover mind between the push and pull of state dept vs pentagon.

The circus continues...

Dumal · Post by **Dumal** » 27 Sep 2023 14:02

vimal wrote: ↑27 Sep 2023 11:38 Brantford Police Service, says officers are looking into the report of the offensive billboard

What?

What do they have to investigate? What's so offensive? I thought freedom of expression was supreme in Canadastan!

They didn't flinch when a tableau of an elected Indian PM's assassination was making rounds!

srin · Post by **srin** » 27 Sep 2023 14:44

If the so-called intelligence really was so good, it'd have been leaked to the press. My guess is that the intelligence isn't worth the paper it is written on.

That said, I know Jaishankar has to be diplomatic, but I wish he had addressed the issue thusly: India has in the past neutralized state-sheltered terrorists across the borders, in the same manner as that of the other big powers. But in each case, we have publicized it, since we don't see any reason to be reticent about it. There is no reason for us to deny if had indeed conducted it. In this specific case, we deny our involvement though we aren't unhappy about the matter. The information shared with us has no relevance to the allegation, and we await the further information that establish the credibility of the accusers and the accusation.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Sep 2023 14:53

One big learning I get from watching JS since he has become EAM is "not to say a word more than necessary in ANY situation." Diplomacy is a long term game, it takes years to establish trust and make friendships, and even one statement too many can harm long standing relationships.

I'm amazed at how rigorously he keeps his tongue in his mouth despite all that he must be knowing and the provocations he regularly encounters. A very very rare skill & incredible discipline.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 27 Sep 2023 15:12

Is this GoI's way of firing a warning shot across the bows? Our ambassadors are IFS folks, and they won't say things without giving it some thought. So a former ambassador making this statement is not something to be taken lightly, and might even be taken as unofficial confirmation of earlier rumours.

Deepak Vohra is also the one who called Trudeau an idiot on a news show. That was quite a slap indeed!
Link

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2023 15:41

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... a-8957790/

Act against ‘anti-India terrorists’: Adhir slams targeting of PM in Canada

Published on September 27, 2023 06:04 AM.

The INC has spoken. This is not going to end well for Canada.