Road to the 2024 Elections in India-1

[chetak]

If Modi doesn't come back in 2024, the woke congis and their brain dead allies will do this to please their BIF puppet masters.

This time they will do it in just one 5year term

They have already done it once before when the came to power and inherited a healthy economy and full coffers

[chetak]

An Ordinary MA, M.Phil in Economics, FM . @nsitharaman Ji has done what Economist “Dr" Manmohan Singh couldn't do! JPMorgan to add Bharat Sarkar's bonds to it's “Govt Bond Index-
Emerging Markets" starting 28June, 2024. Bharat will have weight upto 10% on index.

Benefits:
1. Will drive Billions of foreign inflows to Bharat’s debt market.
2. Will reduce borrowing costs for Bharat Sarkar as well as for Bharatiya Co.s
3. Will ease pressure on Rupee’s exchange rate.
4. Will pave way for Bharat's inclusion into #Bloomberg Index

Don't forget that Bharat has risen to THIS position from “Fragile-5" where “Economist" Manmohan had got us landed.

But still.... Nirmala Ji doesn't know Economics & Mudi shud regin!

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-m ... ed%20down.

[SRajesh]

^^Chetakji
If one takes a careful look at Mouni Baba's track record from his time as Baboo to his later avatar as Minister and PM
Its a patchy scary record.
Except when PVN was at the helm he could be curbed otherwise he has run riot with the economy!!
I wonder whether he is or was bent long before
He is on par for doing unsavoury things to the country a la Banditji

[Lisa]

^ Daughter works with famous investor called G Soros.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/amrit-s ... nitiative/

You can imagine where this families interests are.

[chetak]

^^Chetakji
If one takes a careful look at Mouni Baba's track record from his time as Baboo to his later avatar as Minister and PM
Its a patchy scary record.
Except when PVN was at the helm he could be curbed otherwise he has run riot with the economy!!
I wonder whether he is or was bent long before
He is on par for doing unsavoury things to the country a la Banditji

Rajesh ji,

He has been associated with the Indian economy for the longest time. His performance has always been lackluster and fairly mediocre. He has gained some reputation because PVNR allowed him the freedom to work while shielding him from all the political attacks during the time PVNR was heading the govt. On his own, this man wouldn't have been able to do anything

he was completely bypassed, and also totally eclipsed by the congi party all through his PM years

to bathe in the reflected glory, the media was prevailed upon by the cabal of the person who chose him to become the PM, and the godi media press played their part to lionize him so that others would shine with the reflected glory, and that remained a media creation until recent tears.

The man himself is on record saying that "history" would be kinder to him. Has he forgotten that karma generally lurks among the pages of unvarnished washed history, history that is truthfully written by "The moving finger writes; and, having writ, moves on" (the moving finger representing the passage of time and naman to Omar Khayyám)




Economic Adviser, Ministry of Foreign Trade, India (1971–1972)
Chief Economic Adviser, Ministry of Finance, India, (1972–1976)
Honorary Professor, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi (1976)
Director, Reserve Bank of India (1976–1980)
Director, Industrial Development Bank of India (1976–1980)
Board of Governors, Asian Development Bank, Manila
Secretary, Ministry of Finance (Department of Economic Affairs), Government of India, (1977–1980)
Governor, Reserve Bank of India (1982–1985)
Deputy chairman, Planning Commission of India, (1985–1987)
Secretary General, South Commission, Geneva (1987–1990)
Advisor to Prime Minister of India on Economic Affairs (1990–1991)
Chairman, University Grants Commission (15 March 1991 – 20 June 1991)[4]
Finance Minister of India, (21 June 1991 – 15 May 1996)
Member of Parliament in the Rajya Sabha (1 October 1991 – 14 June 2019)
Leader of the Opposition (India) in the Rajya Sabha (1998–2004)
Prime Minister of India (22 May 2004 – 26 May 2014)
Member of Parliament in the Rajya Sabha (19 August 2019 – Present)


He has been consistent in drawing a salary, far beyond his so called productive years and he allowed himself and his high office to be sullied by unconnected others and did virtually nothing to contain external influences.

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
Just Rajesh would do for me, No ji please(hence requested the handle name change so its easy for all to address me by first name )

[SRajesh]

Was he not at centre of affairs when we had to pledge 'Gold'
And we agreed to literally haul 'G' to London
Thank god there was no 'Italian Job' type attempted.
One has to check those bars whether Britshits return original maal or just coated lead ones

[Cyrano]

He was also at the helm of affairs when India sold off its currency printing presses and dies as scrap metal and then fake currency started flooding the country until demonetisation broke the back of this racket and a certain economy started tanking.

[sajo]

https://www.news18.com/movies/ex-bjp-po ... 91168.html

I forwarded a picture from this event yesterday in of my friends' WA group (non-political), with just the caption "First Public appearance". Was pleasantly surprised too see how much support and recognition she has amongst ordinary hindus. Even a lady I know, resolutely apolitical across social media thanks to her high ranking job in a German owned co, reacted immediately with "ohh how nice to see her" , by seeing her pic.

[vijayk]

PAPPU and his gang are fully in OBC mode. Everywhere he goes, he brings up OBC. His journalists try to pull out every statistic on OBC whether it is cricket or army or jobs. Looks like the tool kit was prepared in Belgium on OBC.

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra @Iyervval

Today, news emerged that the US ambassador to Pakistan visited POK for 6 days. His second visit in 1 year, he has in the past used the term “Azad Kashmir”. The visit was kept secret. The last time a public visit drew harsh Indian criticism. & you wonder why we suspect US motives?

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1706259778815889582

[Yagnasri]

PVNR did not allow any freedom in MMS. He told MMS what to do and how to do it. MMS was never a free-market guy. Period. Now, we give all the credit for reforms to him. If we observe the reforms under PVNR, we can see these were planned at the PMO level, with other ministers also roped in occasionally.

[V_Raman]

What is OBC toolkit?

[chetak]

PVNR did not allow any freedom in MMS. He told MMS what to do and how to do it. MMS was never a free-market guy. Period. Now, we give all the credit for reforms to him. If we observe the reforms under PVNR, we can see these were planned at the PMO level, with other ministers also roped in occasionally.

Yagnasri garu,

what was meant be giving him freedom was that, he, PVNR, shielded the mute from all criticism

the mute was severely allergic to criticism from any source. It confused and petrified him

It is a BIF created myth that the mute was responsible for all "reforms" when he actually was allergic to responsibility, as well as, woefully short in the creativity and innovation departments. The complete lack of a vertebral column will do that to you. He was elevated in status on the funereal pyre of PVNR and he knows it.

Truly, he is not a leader of men but a follower of women, at home, as well as, in the office

[vijayk]

What is OBC toolkit?

Bring up OBC in every topic to divide Hindu votebank

1. Women's bill - Bring quotas for OBC
2. Pappu is everywhere pointing how only 3 OBC are central secretaries vs 90 others
3. Sports, army... everywhere OBC percentage
4. Caste census demand by pappu, laloo, nitish
5. Include Muslims in OBC fromm TN and WB
6. Attack on sanatana dharma by DMK, SP and JD(u) leaders mostly from OBC
7. Even media is trying to revive

[Atmavik]

What is OBC toolkit?

Bring up OBC in every topic to divide Hindu votebank

1. Women's bill - Bring quotas for OBC
2. Pappu is everywhere pointing how only 3 OBC are central secretaries vs 90 others
3. Sports, army... everywhere OBC percentage
4. Caste census demand by pappu, laloo, nitish
5. Include Muslims in OBC fromm TN and WB
6. Attack on sanatana dharma by DMK, SP and JD(u) leaders mostly from OBC
7. Even media is trying to revive

I think Pappu is still in the Era of Mandal politics, while the nation has moved on. Hope 2024 proves me right. People are tired of this caste game . All parties allocate seats with this caste equations and Having OBC as PM puts a puncture in this narrative

[vimal]

Does Pappu realize that Modi is an OBC?
Also OBC is extremely diluted caste groupings with no real cohesion and thrown in together to make some upper castes happy with promise of sarkari opportunities.

[ernest]

Does Pappu realize that Modi is an OBC?
Also OBC is extremely diluted caste groupings with no real cohesion and thrown in together to make some upper castes happy with promise of sarkari opportunities.

Sadly from my ground level observation, this polarization of OBC group seems to be an effective one. I've seen previously patriotic people move to BIF thought process with this line of propaganda. Congress must have received data / reports and advised to follow this along with freebies as a viable equation for a good shot at 2024. There is a good reason they're raising it everywhere.

It is a very cunning strategy, and BJP will have to be very calculated in its 2024 campaign to keep their earlier share of OBC vote. It is surreal to see how small benefits over others will quickly throw off principles, patriotism, sustainability etc in voting. It is bad trust game and quickly everyone is looking out for their own

[SRajesh]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 32748.html
Hmm interesting
What should we deduce :
1. Leadership change in the State and move Mamaji to RS??
2. Earlier elections if similar trends in Rajasthan
3. Or putting strong Union Ministers to stem any defections or rebel candidates issue
4. Pure caste arithmetic??
Retaining MP and wresting Rajasthan will be augur well for early elections
If not before Republic Day it probably will be from Feb onwards
In between some jhapad to Napak as they won’t be able to control their itch what with BIF and Deep State moves

[sanjayc]

Does Pappu realize that Modi is an OBC?
Also OBC is extremely diluted caste groupings with no real cohesion and thrown in together to make some upper castes happy with promise of sarkari opportunities.

Sadly from my ground level observation, this polarization of OBC group seems to be an effective one. I've seen previously patriotic people move to BIF thought process with this line of propaganda. Congress must have received data / reports and advised to follow this along with freebies as a viable equation for a good shot at 2024. There is a good reason they're raising it everywhere.

It is a very cunning strategy, and BJP will have to be very calculated in its 2024 campaign to keep their earlier share of OBC vote. It is surreal to see how small benefits over others will quickly throw off principles, patriotism, sustainability etc in voting. It is bad trust game and quickly everyone is looking out for their own

Greed and political blindness are the bane of Hindus throughout history. We are just seeing it in action in present time. They will continue to get themselves persecuted till they don't get rid of the ghost of caste from their mind and identify themselves as Hindus and nothing else

[sanjayc]

What is OBC toolkit?

Bring up OBC in every topic to divide Hindu votebank

1. Women's bill - Bring quotas for OBC
2. Pappu is everywhere pointing how only 3 OBC are central secretaries vs 90 others
3. Sports, army... everywhere OBC percentage
4. Caste census demand by pappu, laloo, nitish
5. Include Muslims in OBC fromm TN and WB
6. Attack on sanatana dharma by DMK, SP and JD(u) leaders mostly from OBC
7. Even media is trying to revive

I am seeing this a lot on social media -- it is obvious that someone is orchestrating it. Most handles are Congressis or being paid by Congress IT cell. Breaking Hindus into castes and then creating animosity among various castes with a sense of grievance against each other, is a tried-and-tested strategy of Congress since Independence. That is the strategy of the church too for harvesting souls.

[chetak]

Does Pappu realize that Modi is an OBC?
Also OBC is extremely diluted caste groupings with no real cohesion and thrown in together to make some upper castes happy with promise of sarkari opportunities.

Sadly from my ground level observation, this polarization of OBC group seems to be an effective one. I've seen previously patriotic people move to BIF thought process with this line of propaganda. Congress must have received data / reports and advised to follow this along with freebies as a viable equation for a good shot at 2024. There is a good reason they're raising it everywhere.

It is a very cunning strategy, and BJP will have to be very calculated in its 2024 campaign to keep their earlier share of OBC vote. It is surreal to see how small benefits over others will quickly throw off principles, patriotism, sustainability etc in voting. It is bad trust game and quickly everyone is looking out for their own

ernest ji,


pappu is talking through his tattered hat

If there is one political party that has done the maximum for the OBCs, it is the BJP

OBCs are the bread and butter of the BJP


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpBzB7zCK18


First OBC Prime Minister was from BJP, says Amit Shah

[la.khan]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 32748.html
Hmm interesting
What should we deduce :
1. Leadership change in the State and move Mamaji to RS??
2. Earlier elections if similar trends in Rajasthan
3. Or putting strong Union Ministers to stem any defections or rebel candidates issue
4. Pure caste arithmetic??
Retaining MP and wresting Rajasthan will be augur well for early elections
If not before Republic Day it probably will be from Feb onwards
In between some jhapad to Napak as they won’t be able to control their itch what with BIF and Deep State moves

Issue of SSC bugs me no end After 15+ years of CMship, why is he still in Bhopal? After 10-12 years, shouldn't a successful CM in a BJP ruled state be moved to Delhi? Making room for ambitious BJP leaders in the state to step up. Isn't this how BJP/RSS operate? Why is SSC still in Bhopal? To face anti-incumbency? No second rung leadership to assume the mantle?

I can't believe BJP/RSS/NaMo/AS let this continue. Maybe, the powers-that-be in BJP know a lot more than they let on, but I dread to see another state enter BIF column

[SRajesh]

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/modi ... rt-2700882
And add this as well to the 'Masala Dabba' and you come up with an excellent curry(so it seems to the BIF's and deepstate)
1.OBC
2.Attack on Democratic institutions
3. Minority Daara hua insaan
4. Freebies
5.Hum Do Hamare Do
6. Weak PM(maybe a urge Napak for Masochistic act)
7. Hmmm I missing some Kaloonji type ?? what could it be

[chetak]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 32748.html
Hmm interesting
What should we deduce :
1. Leadership change in the State and move Mamaji to RS??
2. Earlier elections if similar trends in Rajasthan
3. Or putting strong Union Ministers to stem any defections or rebel candidates issue
4. Pure caste arithmetic??
Retaining MP and wresting Rajasthan will be augur well for early elections
If not before Republic Day it probably will be from Feb onwards
In between some jhapad to Napak as they won’t be able to control their itch what with BIF and Deep State moves

Issue of SSC bugs me no end After 15+ years of CMship, why is he still in Bhopal? After 10-12 years, shouldn't a successful CM in a BJP ruled state be moved to Delhi? Making room for ambitious BJP leaders in the state to step up. Isn't this how BJP/RSS operate? Why is SSC still in Bhopal? To face anti-incumbency? No second rung leadership to assume the mantle?

I can't believe BJP/RSS/NaMo/AS let this continue. Maybe, the powers-that-be in BJP know a lot more than they let on, but I dread to see another state enter BIF column

la.khan ji,

local leaders and local political milieu, at times, transcends party policies and directives

look at vasundhara raje and the mess that she continues to create and also the mess in KAR

They needlessly sidelined BSY in KAR and got sidelined themselves. Even the current disarray in the ranks of the KAR BJP can be traced back to the BSY issue and his community's resentment at being denied what they consider as their legitimate political aspirations not being accommodated...

It's horses for courses, especially when options are limited and the way forward is constrained. The defeat of the BJP in KAR has rejuvenated the vile BIF driven congis and the illegitimate ecosystem that has been, for decades, nurtured by them. To take rigid positions like cutoff age limit, bringing in impotent leaders as replacement. Allow BSY's son to contest as an independent and be done with, whose father what goes. Allow the son to spread his wings and if he is not worth it, then do not induct him into the party

within the BJP in KAR, BSY is akin to a regional satrap, with a mass base and his own loyal community vote bank. If it ain't broke, then why try to fix it

These BJP guys had the congis, wokes, and commies on the ropes. They should have ruthlessly gone in for the political kill but instead they find themselves backed into a tight corner, all over the south

2024 is the most vital election and the BJP simply cannot afford to lose it, but the way in which they are going about it doesn't inspire much confidence.

[ernest]

ernest ji,


pappu is talking through his tattered hat

If there is one political party that has done the maximum for the OBCs, it is the BJP

OBCs are the bread and butter of the BJP

Absolutely, Chetak ji. This is one of the reasons why BIF are trying to create fault lines there as it has maximum impact. BJP has done more than any other party for OBC (and pretty much any Indic group).

BJP will have to shape the narrative so that the good work is not squandered away. Already AS and others have shown that they are willing to counter it. But caste politics being such a delicate zero-sum-game, they have to be careful to not antagonize any group that contributes to their voteshare. BIF OTOH have a lot less to lose and they'll try all sort of crazy ideas.

Greed and political blindness are the bane of Hindus throughout history. We are just seeing it in action in present time. They will continue to get themselves persecuted till they don't get rid of the ghost of caste from their mind and identify themselves as Hindus and nothing else

Absolutely. Hindutva is the only viable route to an Indian society free of caste based narrow-mindedness. All other political parties / ideologies are interested in exploiting caste based divisions.

[chetak]

it never rains but it pours

ungil baboo has the special knack of picking the wrong guys to tangle with.......

his son and political heir may also probably soon avail of free govt board and lodge

what was that old adage about apples and trees...........




TDP general secretary Nara Lokesh made accused in Amaravati Inner Ring Road case



https://www.newindianexpress.com/states ... 18404.html

[RajaRudra]

I was expecting fireworks in Special Session, but got ,color balloon pinching. We still have two days. Let's see.

That's because you have folling media and not events, nothing dramtic will be passed with a notice, demonetisation, removal of art 370, Balasore, action will be taken and then announced

The people who got this party to power starting from 2 mps is Hindus. I feel there should be a payback at least in second term.

1) Kashmir 360 Article - It is a national wish
2) Trible Talaq - Its good for Muslim women
3) Ram Mandir - Its purely for Hindus and i am certain without BJP in central and state, this would have got delayed till eternity even with court order.

There should be something delivered ONLY for Hindus(as a whole without any caste consideration). Without any role played by other parties including the courts.

What that ONE item could be is a billion dollar question, that as a ruling party, BJP needs to find.

In my thinking, giving all the rights minority holds to all(including Hindus, as a very conservative expectation) in establishing and running educations institutions is one such. There should be plenty of such things Hindus are being starved.

[RajaRudra]

Absolutely. Hindutva is the only viable route to an Indian society free of caste based narrow-mindedness. All other political parties / ideologies are interested in exploiting caste based divisions.

That is why, every big, small and letter pad parties are attacking Hindutva. To divide Hindus as Hindutva and non Hindutva based on various factors.

By attacking Hindus(Hindutva) there is a minority vote bank ready to harvest and there is a mad rush to harvest that. But all parties understood that minority votes getting divided by that way, they formed INDI/UPA like coalition to not stop that division.

Now only vote that is getting divided is of hindus, through non senses called caste, development, economic policy, party supporters votes etc.

BJP has to find a way that unites all Hindus(only) economically. May be a scheme like Bhumiputra scheme in Malaysia.

[sanjayc]

The people who got this party to power starting from 2 mps is Hindus. I feel there should be a payback at least in second term.

1) Kashmir 360 Article - It is a national wish
2) Trible Talaq - Its good for Muslim women
3) Ram Mandir - Its purely for Hindus and i am certain without BJP in central and state, this would have got delayed till eternity even with court order.

There should be something delivered ONLY for Hindus(as a whole without any caste consideration). Without any role played by other parties including the courts.

What that ONE item could be is a billion dollar question, that as a ruling party, BJP needs to find.

In my thinking, giving all the rights minority holds to all(including Hindus, as a very conservative expectation) in establishing and running educations institutions is one such. There should be plenty of such things Hindus are being starved.

Two things BJP can do:

1. Extend all special minority rights to Hindus too, especially in education institutions etc. (nobody will object)
3. Remove state control over temples. If that is not possible, make a trust of top 500 temples in India. Use the money collected by this trust to open charitable hospitals and schools for Hindus. I foresee collection of Rs 5,000 crores every year, that will be game changer in providing health and education to poor Hindus, saving them from conversion mafia and communists. This will be solid vote bank for BJP

[Kati]

What is OBC toolkit?

Bring up OBC in every topic to divide Hindu votebank

1. Women's bill - Bring quotas for OBC
2. Pappu is everywhere pointing how only 3 OBC are central secretaries vs 90 others
3. Sports, army... everywhere OBC percentage
4. Caste census demand by pappu, laloo, nitish
5. Include Muslims in OBC fromm TN and WB
6. Attack on sanatana dharma by DMK, SP and JD(u) leaders mostly from OBC
7. Even media is trying to revive

Very easy to counter Pappu on this OBC matter.
Just roll out the statistics how OBCs were given representations during six decades of Congi rule, and ask his why his papa or dadi didn't do any thing for the OBCs.

[fanne]

Chetak Ji, What is your take on 2024 LS right now and on Raj and MP (mainly MP). BJP taking unnecessary risks?

[chetak]

Chetak Ji, What is your take on 2024 LS right now and on Raj and MP (mainly MP). BJP taking unnecessary risks?

fanne ji,

The BJP conceded the CM's gaddi to a smaller party in MAH. Now another greedier group has managed to sneak in to the alliance and it also expects to be handed the CM's chair because of "coalition dharma" and the "generosity" of the big brother despite the BJP having an exceptional leader like fadnavis in its own ranks. Caste arithmetic never encourages or even fosters loyalty,

This methodology is expected in TN too, where some country bumpkins who are in alliance are eager to tell the BJP all about how politics is to be conducted but only under their leadership

The BJP have already tried this formula in KAR and burnt their fingers very badly with the gowdas and yet, they are now back in alliance with the same thugs

vasundhara is like a spider, all set and ready with a woven web in place. here is yet another CM seat that was expected to be had for the asking but the BJP has baulked. Some sins are unforgiveable.

MP has factions and incumbency, and also many contenders but there is no marathon runner who can carry the torch safely and get to the finish line. He has to run for a full 5 years. The previous marathon runner is being put out to pasture, read governorship

Somehow, it looks like the BJP has lost it's way and no one thought to bring along the compass. or it may be that they are playing their cards very close to the vest. Modi does that often

Even now, there is time to regroup and coalesce into an electorally fighting fit unit but a leader to rally around, one who can rouse the troops and lead them into battle has not been found, and the weakness/compromises shown in Bihar, MAH. KAR, and in TN have emboldened the factions and reenergized the smaller parties......

They are paying the price for too much of centralization when delegation would have been the better way to go

Regarding 2024, right now it looks like it is a cakewalk for the BJP to return with a larger majority than before but the BIF has just shown what could be in store with justinder singh khalistania firing the first salvo, and ungil blinken giving the cover fire.

They are openly saying that they will use the 5eyes coalition to hobble Modi.

give it a week or two to see which way the cat is going to jump....

we need to see a major move to judge the intensity and directionality of their attack.

So, for now, we wait......


The russkis are no slouches at ferreting out information. I would reach out to them

[chetak]

https://youtu.be/G4BGRmtBrIM?t=12


India Vs Canada: Indian Action Has Visible Effect, 5 Protesters At Khalistan Protest





some comments by viewers of this video on you tube

All OCI holders need to realize that OCI is a PRIVELEGE granted to them by the Indian government and it means that you shouldn't be doing any anti - India activity, including false reporting & spreading misinformation about India.

The government of India needs to send a very strong message about this.

I also support cancelling the OCI status of all the relatives & dependents of known terrorist sympathizers & activists.

Let them pay & queue up for visas, every time they want to visit India.

[nandakumar]

Cancelation of OCI cards is not so easy I think. For one thing recent events go against such a belief of unfettered discretion to Government. When Swedish citizen of Indian origin Ashok Swain's OCI card was canceled he promptly filed a writ petition before the Delhi High Court. It has been admitted which suggests that there is a justiciable issue. Article 21 of the Constitution says, "No person shall be deprived of his right to life or right to liberty without due process of law.... etc. The expression used is 'person' and not a 'citizen'. This itself suggests that it applies to actions of the Government vis a vis non citizens. Now the word 'life' under Article 21 itself has been liberally interpreted to mean a whole lot of things including payment of sustainable living wages. So who is to say that the phrase 'right to liberty would not be subject to even more liberal interpretation? Very specifically, the issue before the Court would be one of whether the 'right to liberty' kicks in after a person enters India or it confers a right even when a person is outside India's territorial jurisdiction? Can an overseas citizen claim a pre-existing 'right to liberty' that the Constitution bestows? Complex question. Disclaimer: I am not trained in law.

[chetak]

Cancelation of OCI cards is not so easy I think. For one thing recent events go against such a belief of unfettered discretion to Government. When Swedish citizen of Indian origin Ashok Swain's OCI card was canceled he promptly filed a writ petition before the Delhi High Court. It has been admitted which suggests that there is a justiciable issue. Article 21 of the Constitution says, "No person shall be deprived of his right to life or right to liberty without due process of law.... etc. The expression used is 'person' and not a 'citizen'. This itself suggests that it applies to actions of the Government vis a vis non citizens. Now the word 'life' under Article 21 itself has been liberally interpreted to mean a whole lot of things including payment of sustainable living wages. So who is to say that the phrase 'right to liberty would not be subject to even more liberal interpretation? Very specifically, the issue before the Court would be one of whether the 'right to liberty' kicks in after a person enters India or it confers a right even when a person is outside India's territorial jurisdiction? Can an overseas citizen claim a pre-existing 'right to liberty' that the Constitution bestows? Complex question. Disclaimer: I am not trained in law.

nandakumar ji,

If one has sworn loyalty to another country, what rights can you have in the country you left behind, except those rights that the country one left behind deigns to give you.

No foreigner (in matters of entry into India) can ask "why him and why not me" If such were the case, why are passports needed at all....

just pack your langote and harness the bullocks to the cart, and set off for destination India

Does any country need to explain a denial of visa, is such an act subject to some sort of judicial process or is it left to the sole judgement of the country issuing or denying the visa

would this @h0le have challenged this stand of the govt, in any other country....

Finally, if on arrival at an Indian airport, after all is said and done, this guy is denied entry, "for security reasons" or he is placed on a no fly list at the discretion of the security establishment despite the court judgement, what then......


If the GoI turns bloody minded and amends the law, what then....

will someone set up a constitutional bench.....

if a foreign passport holder can do this in an Indian court, why cannot an Indian challenge a denial of, say, a US visa, in an Indian court

[Cyrano]

And what IF the court rules against the plaintiff and removes any doubt on the legitimacy of GoB's action?

[nandakumar]

Chetak
India is a signatory to some multilateral treaty that guarantees 'due process of law' for even foreigners. It is supposed to benefit all. So now the only question is for the Courts to decide whether snatching an unfettered right to enter India, among other things, that a OCI card confers, is an act of infringement of 'right to liberty' guaranteed under Article 21. As in everything else, Supreme Court is 'right' because it is the 'last word' on a subject and not the 'last word' because it is right. A wise lawyer told me this.

[Yagnasri]

OIC giving, not giving or taking away etc are in the preview of the executive. Personal liberty, etc., do not enter here. Delhi High Court and its orders in the Ashok Swain case only asked GoI to provide reasons for the same. That is all. There are many ways to do it, and I am sure GoI knows how to do it.

[chetak]

Chetak
India is a signatory to some multilateral treaty that guarantees 'due process of law' for even foreigners. It is supposed to benefit all. So now the only question is for the Courts to decide whether snatching an unfettered right to enter India, among other things, that a OCI card confers, is an act of infringement of 'right to liberty' guaranteed under Article 21. As in everything else, Supreme Court is 'right' because it is the 'last word' on a subject and not the 'last word' because it is right. A wise lawyer told me this.

nandakumar ji,

extra privileges for foreigners are a courtesy of the govt of India, and the same may or may not extended, depending on their sweet will and wish at any given time

There is no due process of the law. It is the judgment of the guy into whose sweaty hands you have entrusted your passport with the valid visa who will make the call. At best, you may ask to see his supervisor.

Any visa is a considered privilege, as is the OCI or PIO cards. All can be denied or granted at will.

There are thousands of cases where visas are denied and OCI/PIO status stands revoked.

Even with a valid visa, one's entry can be refused and one can be deported by the return flight

one prominent jihadi bollywood star has been cavity searched repeatedly on arrival in the US. His visa was valid but it usually takes him more than a few hours to clear immigration and he walks funny for a few days. This is his "unfettered" right

an OCI/PIO card is not a right.

please don't keep harping on art 21. Person means Indian citizen, unless otherwise stated.

rights of foreigners is limited to protection from attack, safety of life and limb, access to emergency services yada yada and that sort of thing

If one abuses the caste of an Indian amriki citizen in India, where is the caste defined in amrika, will an OBC Indian, holding an amriki passport, remain an OBC under amriki law or can he, on periodic visits to India temporarily (re)claim OBC status under Indian law. Ask the wise lawyer to answer this

If push comes to shove, The law can always be changed like it was done in the shabano case when everyone kept quiet because the congis were feared

there is no unfettered right for foreigners to enter India. Visas are given or denied on an individual basis, like it is done in all countries.

The only one with an unfettered right to re enter India is a genuine 24 carat solid gold adorned INDIAN CITIZEN, who can thump the table, and swagger in, cocking a snook at everyone who may be watching.

[Sachin]

among other things, that a OCI card confers, is an act of infringement of 'right to liberty' guaranteed under Article 21

In that case even verification and withholding of passport becomes a violation of Article 21. For every fundamental right, there are also reasonable restrictions. An OCI Card is just a multiple entry VISA for people who have been once Indian citizens. If the judiciary feels denying OCI card is against Article 21, then why should India even have VISAs? We will have open borders as 'right of liberty' is guaranteed for all and sundry.

Delhi High Court and its orders in the Ashok Swain case only asked GoI to provide reasons for the same.

My understanding is even Passport is a privilege, given to Indian citizens after due diligence.