Hamas attack.on Israel. Oct 2023

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 09 Oct 2023 17:03

Hamas has posted video of Mubar-1 short range air defence system being used. Seems single launch per unit, rocket + warhead screwed on to a mobile launcher set up, could be moved around just on pickup trucks.

Not sure how they get tracking coordinates, no radar was shown.

They are much better prepared than anyone suspected.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Oct 2023 17:10

sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 16:32
Alright, so we can continue with IMEC -- even if Israel-Saudi link takes longer, rest of it can fall into place in meantime (both Tel Aviv & Riyadh are pragmatic)

vijayk wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 16:15 This whole thing

1. Puts focus away from Ukraine blunders
2. Destroys Biden 2024
3. Brings possibly Michelle to power
4. Helps G2 proposal of Ombaba to china

Why not we start there?
No - return of terrorist instability means US Right-wing benefits, not US Left-wingers. Who the hell is going to vote in Michelle O as some guarantor of national & international security?

Those days are gone.
Other than T, no one in Republican party goes against the establishment of. woken and wars. They give no confidence of whatsoever.
Nikki Haley is their top choice right now. Desantis is very tentative. They will disqualify T using courts
She will be demolished by nagini speeches of Michelle

I really don't think Michelle O could convince enough people she'll deliver on that.

They will parachute someone like Michelle and Newsom since they can't openly come out right now.
You will be amazed at how many fools in my own circle who throng for her to join the circus. The sheep will fall in line.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Oct 2023 17:11

Lt Gen Syed Ata Hasnain, on Def Talks

Around 130,000 rockets between Hezbollah and Hamas.

As usual, pretty good analysis.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Oct 2023 17:14

BREAKING: HEZBOLLAH OFFICIAL STATEMENT

“Palestine is not Ukraine. If America intervenes directly, all American locations in the region will become legitimate targets of the resistance axis and will face our attacks. And on this day there will be no red line left."

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 09 Oct 2023 17:19

Iran denies any involvement in Hamas invasion - vows strong response if attacked

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Oct 2023 17:20

Congress Working Committee passes resolution - CWC expresses its dismay and anguish on the war that has broken out in the Middle East where over a thousand people have been killed in the last two days. The CWC reiterates its long-standing support for the rights of the Palestinian people to land, self-government and to live with dignity and respect. The CWC calls for an immediate cease-fire and for negotiations to begin on all outstanding issues including the imperative issues that have given rise to the present conflict.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Oct 2023 17:26

Charlotte Littlewood @CharlotteFLit
The celebrations of terrorism across the Western world, including proudly showing desecrated Jewish bodies and the Swastica, highlights just how we have failed as liberal democracy to ensure we all share values of mutual respect, tolerance and equality. 1/5

Charlotte Littlewood @CharlotteFLit
The focus on immigration is a nonsense and diverts from the need for deradicalisarion and promoting liberal values. It is the second, third generation that are celebrating not those who have just arrived. Those that need us come, those that hate us why are you here? 2/5

Charlotte Littlewood @CharlotteFLit
We have been intimidated into thinking to tackle Islamism is to tackle Muslims, it resolutely is not. But by allowing Islamism to take root so our liberal Muslims fear to speak out. We have been fooled by infiltrating cllrs and influencers that they speak for Islam. They do not.

Charlotte Littlewood @CharlotteFLit
All the charities the gov has worked with, receive funds, enjoy charitable status that have always and continue to support terror - time to shut them down. The money scrapped for liberal minority community orgs it's time to bring that back and actually get experts to manage it4/5

Charlotte Littlewood @CharlotteFLit
This is where vote pandering has got us, this is where fear of feeling politically uncomfortable has got us. No more. We have a strong Islamist lobby, it's skewed the lens for many but learn from the Iranians standing up to the IRGC and chanting on mass against Hamas action. 5/5

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 17:27

This guys observation is spot on

https://twitter.com/YearOfTheKraken/sta ... 1837124839

" The Congress party's stance on the Israel-Palestine War is extremely revealing. It reveals that the Muslim minority will have a veto on India's foreign policy, as has historically been the case under Congress governments.

The Congress party makes it clear that the Muslim Veto will be given due consideration and India will not have a sovereign policy if it ever comes back to power again.

At the most fundamental level, Rahul Gandhi and Congress fundamentally believe that Indian Muslims are justified in harbouring extraterritorial loyalties and it's the duty of the Indian Government to accommodate their interests.

This is an extremely dangerous view as it encourages the worst tendencies among the Indian Muslim community and is extremely harmful to long-term Indian interests. But the Congress party has made it clear now that they don't care about Indian interests as long as they can ensure their return to power.

There's literally no difference between the sentiments expressed by Congress party and Hamas apologists abroad. In fact, this statement could have been written by the propaganda wing of Hamas Terrorists. Contrast this with the Indian Government's stance on the war under Narendra Modi: Unequivocal condemnation of evil."

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 09 Oct 2023 17:30

Israel is really turning the screws:

They are now cutting off water in addition to everything else

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 17:30

Off note , this thread needs to be renamed to relate to how this conflict affects Bharat..quite significant.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 09 Oct 2023 17:32

drnayar wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 17:27 This guys observation is spot on

https://twitter.com/YearOfTheKraken/sta ... 1837124839

" The Congress party's stance on the Israel-Palestine War is extremely revealing. It reveals that the Muslim minority will have a veto on India's foreign policy, as has historically been the case under Congress governments.

The Congress party makes it clear that the Muslim Veto will be given due consideration and India will not have a sovereign policy if it ever comes back to power again.

At the most fundamental level, Rahul Gandhi and Congress fundamentally believe that Indian Muslims are justified in harbouring extraterritorial loyalties and it's the duty of the Indian Government to accommodate their interests.

This is an extremely dangerous view as it encourages the worst tendencies among the Indian Muslim community and is extremely harmful to long-term Indian interests. But the Congress party has made it clear now that they don't care about Indian interests as long as they can ensure their return to power.

There's literally no difference between the sentiments expressed by Congress party and Hamas apologists abroad. In fact, this statement could have been written by the propaganda wing of Hamas Terrorists. Contrast this with the Indian Government's stance on the war under Narendra Modi: Unequivocal condemnation of evil."

So in other words, INDIAN PAPPU PARTY is just like CANADIAN PAPPU PARTY

INDIAN PAPPU needs Muslim votes just like CANADIAN PAPPU needs Sikh votes.

Are there any Arab farmer protests going on in Israel? Because Indian Pappu would like to know about it and comment on it. He has a Vote Bank he needs to impress.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 Oct 2023 17:40

sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 07:54

This silly girl @ 35.49 lifting her top, does she realise what the peacefuls would do to her ?
I have seen similar things in London. Girls with skirts so short, and tops so low, leaving nothing to the imagination, parading around with "Free palestine" flags. How do they think moslem women live ??

She would be a "right hand possession" instantly.

These people just jump on the bandwagon, no real thinking or logic.
She probably got some tasty meat and rice to eat as a reward.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 09 Oct 2023 18:01

drnayar wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 17:27 This guys observation is spot on

https://twitter.com/YearOfTheKraken/sta ... 1837124839

" The Congress party's stance on the Israel-Palestine War is extremely revealing. It reveals that the Muslim minority will have a veto on India's foreign policy, as has historically been the case under Congress governments.

The Congress party makes it clear that the Muslim Veto will be given due consideration and India will not have a sovereign policy if it ever comes back to power again.

At the most fundamental level, Rahul Gandhi and Congress fundamentally believe that Indian Muslims are justified in harbouring extraterritorial loyalties and it's the duty of the Indian Government to accommodate their interests.

This is an extremely dangerous view as it encourages the worst tendencies among the Indian Muslim community and is extremely harmful to long-term Indian interests. But the Congress party has made it clear now that they don't care about Indian interests as long as they can ensure their return to power.

There's literally no difference between the sentiments expressed by Congress party and Hamas apologists abroad. In fact, this statement could have been written by the propaganda wing of Hamas Terrorists. Contrast this with the Indian Government's stance on the war under Narendra Modi: Unequivocal condemnation of evil."

drnayar ji,

A final twist to this dastardly tale of virtue signaling treachery is that the idea of federalism and "the concept of a union of states" presupposes the absolute right to secede, at will, from the union and that is the unspoken common thread in all his ravings and rantings, be it in India, or (especially) in foreign lands. It gladdens the BIF heart to hear such claptrap because this is the exact narrative that there were always trying to push, since independence

The goras had already planned and programmed for it (by leaving behind traitors) and fully expected India to break up catastrophically, within a very short time of their leaving, and then the britshits were sure that they would be "invited" back to take charge once again

There are many who are claiming these so called 'rights", the cashmeris, jihadis in the south, and the dravidiyas

The britshits founded the congress party not for the benefit of the Indians but for their own benefit to subtly suppress and direct the freedom movement to enrich themselves and more importantly buttress their still burning global ambition of being a super power

As for churchill, his undoubtedly malevolent role and the long yet hidden shadow he cast over the Indian subcontinent and his often-veiled role in the actions that led to Partition in 1947 cannot be overlooked nor dismissed

The britshits simply had no Intention of ever leaving India, but the amrikis outmaneuvered them, and to make doubly sure that the britshits would never challenge them again, they reduced the britshits to the status of a lowly vassal state, one that could turn to no one else but the amrikis for help or succor

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 09 Oct 2023 18:25

Hareshji,
I am in love with that girl you call silly. And I fall in love every day.
Loosen up Brother,
Gautam

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 18:31

Haresh wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 17:40
sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 07:54 [youtube]CooCkzYnFPQ[/youtube
This silly girl @ 35.49 lifting her top, does she realise what the peacefuls would do to her ?
I have seen similar things in London. Girls with skirts so short, and tops so low, leaving nothing to the imagination, parading around with "Free palestine" flags. How do they think moslem women live ??

She would be a "right hand possession" instantly.

These people just jump on the bandwagon, no real thinking or logic.
She probably got some tasty meat and rice to eat as a reward.

kind of reminded of one of the "Living Dead" movies ..that's precisely the mindless terror cult they are.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 18:36

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 09 Oct 2023 18:50

india needs to figure out how to keep IMEC alive.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Oct 2023 18:57

Go through Syria.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Oct 2023 19:16

gakakkad wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 18:50 india needs to figure out how to keep IMEC alive.

Thucydides Trap!!!!

Modi needs to figure out how to retain/sustain the political gains he made at the BRICS, ASEAN, and the G-20. I would love to know how often Jaishankar's phone rings.

Trade, at this point in time, is relatively irrelevant.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 19:29

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hama ... -jcjhmdgjd

Israel will launch assassination attempts against Hamas commanders while seeking to isolate the militant group by telling its backers — including Qatar — that the rulers of Gaza now pose the same threat as Islamic State.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 09 Oct 2023 19:41

I think it was Cyrano who had asked 'who is providing the money for the IMEC'... we should make sure the Gulf states are the ones who fork the cash for it. They are anyway good at collecting rent/toll, like the pakis. Let them earn the ROI that way. That will leave them plenty of time to go back to camel herding once the oil runs out.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 20:15

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Oct 2023 20:34

A good amount of details:

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 09 Oct 2023 21:53

It seems there is military action now on the Lebanese border as well. Gaza will be difficult. There will be numerous tunnels, many of new and constructed recently for which maps may not be there. They prepared meticulously. Am expecting tunnles to be booby-trapped. Separating civilians/children from the rest will not be easy. There are similarities to the Gaza situation with the assault by US forces on Fallujah city in Iraq in 2004/2003 (?) timeframe.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 09 Oct 2023 22:14

Per reoorts: Guy who killed most in the music fest in Israel
GRADUATED FROM TERRORISTAN's T€RR0R UNIVERSITY

Meanwhile Congress Youth Leader from Rajasthan

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Oct 2023 22:21

sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 17:19 Iran denies any involvement in Hamas invasion - vows strong response if attacked

They will be attacked. The Israelis will go after their nuclear program & Qods Force in a big way. The Saudi response will be interesting.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 09 Oct 2023 22:27

ME mein sab ki phati padi hai, matlab SAB ki

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 22:30

Y. Kanan wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 22:21
sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 17:19 Iran denies any involvement in Hamas invasion - vows strong response if attacked

[youtube]H3l0hpvKvaA[/youtube
They will be attacked. The Israelis will go after their nuclear program & Qods Force in a big way. The Saudi response will be interesting.

The Saudis would let the Israelis cull the Iranians and Hamas [and Qatar as well [ what a blight of a country!]] .. no love lost there..MBS is more pragmatic than idealogical. I do not think the IMEC is dead.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 09 Oct 2023 22:32

Saudis haven't called off any meetings with Israel. Several twitter posts were without any official backing or sources.

@IsraelWarRoom
https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/statu ... 9900881994
Reports that Saudi/Israeli negotiations have been ended are false. There are many posts claiming that an article in the Jerusalem Post is their source, but no such article exists.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 22:32

Y. Kanan wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 22:21
sanman wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 17:19 Iran denies any involvement in Hamas invasion - vows strong response if attacked

[youtube]H3l0hpvKvaA[/youtube
They will be attacked. The Israelis will go after their nuclear program & Qods Force in a big way. The Saudi response will be interesting.

for sure they will bomb the Iranian facilities back to stone age and this time unkle is likely to give a hand.

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Oct 2023 22:45

Lines of Israeli tanks seen near Re'im

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAe9fcPvXtk

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Oct 2023 22:48

This is live. Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan and Aadi Achint

Big Game Behind Israel's War. Are The Arabs Switching Sides? What is the hidden plan for the middle east.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 09 Oct 2023 22:50

Israel strikes Lebanon.. lots of fireworks.. some spectacular Diwali ones as well

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711301921187795123

lol !! who knows whether it was Ukraine supplied through black market ?!! dont think Russia marks it love from Russia ?!!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Oct 2023 22:52

Russian mega handles whom many of us quoted and trusted here have fully gone in support of Hizbula & Hamas, very painful to watch, Russia has crossed into the dangerous camp.
Another obs democrats are pretty divided IO is posting support for Hamas, BO is quiet and Biden seems clueless.
Low on munition and money.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 09 Oct 2023 22:54

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1711353424 ... k6bP7UUGYQ Qatar comes out opnely in support of Hamas

https://x.com/KimDotcom/status/1711184217655415001?s=20
Iran invites Israel and the US to a new war in the Middle-East. Taking the bait will accelerate the inevitable decline of the bankrupt US Govt. Imagine US wars in Ukraine, Iran and Taiwan simultaneously + North Korea attacking the South. A coordinated geostrategic checkmate.

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Oct 2023 22:59

China hand is fully behind this attack on Israel. IMEC is upsetting them big time. Also global deep state actors are pulling out of China in terms of manufacturing and semiconductors. China is looking at an internal implosion within very soon. So they are lashing out as much as they can. Maybe the rockets supplied to Hamas via Iran are chinese ones. Israel's response will be swift and devastating to say the least. The Saudi rapproachment with Israel is at stake. Note that China was involved in the rapproachment between Iran and Saudi.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 09 Oct 2023 23:21

IndraD wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 22:52 Russian mega handles whom many of us quoted and trusted here have fully gone in support of Hizbula & Hamas, very painful to watch, Russia has crossed into the dangerous camp.
Another obs democrats are pretty divided IO is posting support for Hamas, BO is quiet and Biden seems clueless.
Low on munition and money.

I was wondering about the same. But these are the same channels that criticized Russian mobilisation, pull out from Kharkiv, Kherson, Wagner and backed Prigozhny shenanigans at times etc. without knowing what is really going on.

But I agree, their anti Israeli stance doesn't go with denazification stuff, not sure what's their motive...

Putin doesn't screw around like this and doesn't need to when the war in Ukraine is going his way, BRICS expanding, oil prices up, his stature has never been better despite daily bad mouthing by NATO and EU.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 09 Oct 2023 23:23

bala wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 22:59 China hand is fully behind this attack on Israel. IMEC is upsetting them big time.

IMEC was announced a few weeks ago, and even if Chinese had moles in G20 official circles they would have known this at most say 6 months ago. The operation is certainly something that has been planned for years given all the stockpiling of rockets, training of paragliders, tunnel excavation and execution. This has hardly anything to do with IMEC.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 09 Oct 2023 23:29

Can I ask how the hell IDF and government give a go ahead to ‘peace’ festival closer to Gaza Strip
I mean 5 km to the border
Who the hell approved this location
I personally think BiBi is hamstrung and IDF have either grown soft or over confident about their capabilities
This is akin to us hosting mela near the border

bala · Post by **bala** » 09 Oct 2023 23:31

yensoy wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023 23:23 IMEC was announced a few weeks ago, and even if Chinese had moles in G20 official circles they would have known this at most say 6 months ago. The operation is certainly something that has been planned for years given all the stockpiling of rockets, training of paragliders, tunnel excavation and execution. This has hardly anything to do with IMEC.

Training usually happens much ahead to actual weapons usage. Some stockpiling could have happened but not in the numbers they are displaying currently. The actual delivery of numbers is quite recent. You are free to have your opinion. But the hand of big players is quite ostensibly apparent. Hamas does not have the inventory supply.