Hamas attack.on Israel. Oct 2023

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 24 Oct 2023 12:32

Deans wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 09:03
vinod wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 03:47 2 aircraft carriers in the region. Russia sees threat to them from those carriers. So, they are nervous.

This whole thing has set off a chain of actions and reactions. It is building up to be a powder keg and wrong move or miscalculation or intentions will blow this up in no time.
If the carriers are hanging around while there is a full fledged war in Gaza and possibly a lower level one with Hezbollah (which does not cross US red lines) as is currently the case, the US will look silly. Deterrence works as long as it deters.

The US is itching for a fight .. if it doesn't get it , it will find one. Something to bomb everyday is the US mil ind motto.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Oct 2023 18:57

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 24 Oct 2023 20:23

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769646
Hamas terrorists took Captagon to help them murder and torture victims
Hamas terrorists killed by Israeli soldiers were found to carry bags of synthetic amphetamine pills in their pockets.
JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH, OCTOBER 22, 2023
As if Hamas terrorists were not monstrous enough, their handlers gave them bags of Captagon – a synthetic, amphetamine-type stimulant known on the Arabic drug market as “Abu al-Hilalain” and consumed like candy to endure in battle and promotes feelings of rage, irritability, and impatience that encourage terrorists to murder and torture victims.
Known generically as fenethylline, it is trafficked through Turkey to the Middle East. According to authorities in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar, the use of fenethylline is prevalent among their younger, affluent citizens. Captagon, used in Saudi Arabia since the late 1980s, is one of the most popular drugs of abuse among the young affluent populations in Arab countries where students use it to stay away before final exams or women use it as an anorectic agent to lose weight.
Prof. Rami Yaka – head of Hebrew University Faculty of Medicine’s School of Pharmacy, who is a researcher on addiction, told The Jerusalem Post that amphetamines – as stimulants – are stronger and more potent than opiates. “Those to take them feel they are the king of the world, with no inhibitions. Opiates make users feel more euphoric and violent, but their motivation to do evil is less than that caused by amphetamines.” He added that the infamous Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler, whose directives have now been adopted by Hamas, regularly consumed a “cocktail” of amphetamines and opiates.
In small-to-moderate doses, Captagon raises blood pressure, body temperature, and breathing rate. Other side effects that have been experienced by regular users include blurred vision and dizziness. mouth dryness, breathing difficulties, irregular heartbeat, gastrointestinal symptoms, muscle and/or joint pain, muscle cramping, anxiety, mood swings, confusion, feelings of anger or rage, irritability and impatience
Over the long term, amphetamine use can have a number of side effects, including tiredness, depression, insomnia, toxicity to the heart and blood vessels, and malnutrition.
The US Department of Justice reports that the drug does not have an accepted medical use in that country and is not approved for distribution. As available stocks of diverted fenethylline are depleted and the availability of chemicals for the clandestine production of the drug fluctuates, increasing amounts of counterfeit Captagon will likely become available.
A study on the drug was published seven years ago by Greek toxicologists and forensic medicine specialists in the journal Basic & Clinical Pharmacology & Toxicology under the title “Fenethylline (Captagon) Abuse – Local Problems from an Old Drug Become Universal.”
........
Gautam
If my memory is still intact, the German army was using meth on its soldiers during WWII.
Also see:
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/h ... 2023-10-20

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Oct 2023 00:19

At UN, US draws parallels between Israel's 7/10 & India's 26/11 along with other terror attacks; Lists Hamas, alongside Pakistan's LeT along with other terror groups

Watch: At the United Nations meet on the West Asia crisis, US Secretary of State Blinken condemned the Hamas attack in Israel & cited other terror incidents, including the one in Mumbai (26/11), as well as terror attacks by Pakistan based Lashkar-E-Toiba

All acts of terrorism are unlawful and unjustifiable. Whether they target people in Nairobi or Bali, in Mumbai, New York or Kibbutz Be'eri...They're unlawful and unjustifiable whether they're carried out by ISIS, by Boko Haram, by Lashkar E Taiba, or by Hamas

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Oct 2023 00:30

Meanwhile: The Maldives is sending two million cans of tuna to Palestine to demonstrate its solidarity

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Oct 2023 00:31

I really like Col. Douglas MacGregor - he is an excellent sober commentator on military affairs:

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 25 Oct 2023 00:38

drnayar wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 00:03
NRao wrote: ↑23 Oct 2023 23:39

Straight into Iran.
Too many players in the field., this is not just Hamas vs Israel .. this thread needs to renamed to the Middle East conflict , this would reset the geopolitical balance between different powers . Turkey, Qatar , Saudi, Iran, Syria , Egypt, Russia and US all are in play with different end games

This conflict will go on like Ukraine war, unless Israel realizes its ground objectives as fast as it can.. there are many actors who would want it prolonged under the garb of hooman rights etc

and here we go

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-p ... -bgk0sv6b7

President Biden and other leading figures in Washington have told Israeli officials to delay their anticipated ground invasion of Gaza, warning that the Israel defence forces (IDF) are not sufficiently prepared to take on Hamas in the labyrinth of tunnels beneath the Palestinian territory.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Oct 2023 00:58

g.sarkar wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 20:23 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769646
Hamas terrorists took Captagon to help them murder and torture victims
Hamas terrorists killed by Israeli soldiers were found to carry bags of synthetic amphetamine pills in their pockets.
JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH, OCTOBER 22, 2023

as·sas·sin
/əˈsas(ə)n/
Origin

early 16th century: from French, from Italian assassino, from Arabic ḥašīšī ‘member of Nizari branch of Ismaili Muslims’, literally ‘hashish-eater’, probably originally a derogatory nickname, with reference to the supposedly erratic behavior of the members of the sect, as if they were intoxicated by hashish.

Nothing has changed.

Neither the Book, nor the thinking.

The Book has to be rewritten.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Oct 2023 09:09

I don't think US condemned terror attacks in Moscow

Roop · Post by **Roop** » 25 Oct 2023 09:09

NRao wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 00:58 ... Nothing has changed. ... Neither the Book, nor the thinking. ... The Book has to be rewritten.

This is all true, but the "rewriting" part is IMO wishful thinking, it is not going to happen.

However, what may happen (what I believe is already happening world-wide, and has been happening for the last decade or two) is a widespread "falling away" from the religion. Multiple people (mostly ex-Muslims but some non-Muslims as well) have told me that millions of Muslims all over the world have left the religion in the past couple of decades. They are now, in effect, ex-muslims, but they don't come out and say so openly, for obvious reasons.

The problem is not Muslims (the people) but Islam (the religion). M's, for the most part, shun and avoid the extreme parts of I (the religion). They are sensible and reasonable people who abhor senseless violence as much as you and I do. The problem is the fanatical and bloodthirsty minority who take their Book (and its mandates of violence) seriously -- people like that noisy mob from AMU (tere-mera rishta kya? La illaha il illah ! ), the "hero-jihadis" of ISIS, HAMAS, Let, JeM, etc.. This minority does massive damage and violence in sporadic bursts all over the world.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 25 Oct 2023 09:21

The same can be said if sikhs. Small minority etc.

However this small minority is useful for the silent majority. They are monetising terror to use as currency for wholly undeserved privileges. It is extortion.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Oct 2023 10:15

Amber G. wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 00:30 Meanwhile: The Maldives is sending two million cans of tuna to Palestine to demonstrate its solidarity

Amber ji,

Their support seems fishy and comes with an inbuilt expiry date

tuna and support will evaporate at the same time

typical of the ummah

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 25 Oct 2023 10:30

sanman wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 00:31 I really like Col. Douglas MacGregor - he is an excellent sober commentator on military affairs:

He was also military advisor to Trump. Weather or not one agrees with his opinions, he does have inside knowledge of the US establishment.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 25 Oct 2023 10:43

To all
This limited raids, non stop pounding, tu-tu main-main, yada yada.
I have three questions :
1. Who is footing the bill for this (on both Gaza and Israel side)
2. What will be the global financial implications of of this long drawn conflict
3. Fallout in the immediate regions and continent wise(especially where peaceful are a minority with or without stake in local governance)
The reasons I ask is there are
A. Already noises of Chin activity be it SCS or Bhutan or shakeup in the command structure(which could be a coincidental one but has widely gone unnoticed by the west).
B.Pukraine noise has completely died down and wonder if as one of the BRFites suggested a climbdown by Unkil to concentrate here in ME.
C, Will financial meltdown and slowing of economy embolden Soros/BIF gangs to reactivate their efforts given large swathes of lands will be reeling under immense Gora-induced problems
D. Effect of this on our 2024 and the on going elections(will there be riots etc in the name of jihard!!)
E, Now that Badmash is back the establishment try another of their famous strategic stunts to curtail his chances given the perceived closeness to NaMo and the current government

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Oct 2023 18:10

Interesting first-person account:

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Oct 2023 19:25

bala · Post by **bala** » 25 Oct 2023 20:06

China's Secret Hand Behind Israel War and Xi Jinping's Big Plan for USA by Jennifer Zeng, Aadi Achint

Jennifer Zeng reveals that China wants 3 areas of conflict : Ukraine, Israel and guess who .. Japan/South Korea. This is to erode the US. Iran was given the red carpet in China and plans were made to take on Israel. China has direct contact with Hamas. One of Hamas commander, after his stint in prison, was invited into China and trained under the PLA. He took a muslim chinese wife (ethnically this group speaks a language close to palestines). The wife enabled smooth communication with the top leadership of PLA and CCP.

CCP paints the picture that the Palestine people are good and their struggle is righteous.

A chinese navy official has stated that the rocket (5000+ launched by Hamas on Israel) launchers were supplied by China. The rockets were supplied via North Korea.

The Chinese strategy is to "create a big enough chaos to implement a new world order". China wants to start fires all over the world and keep the US occupied while its goal is to take on Taiwan and also neutralize its border threats like South Korea/Japan and yes even India.

// IMHO:
// surprisingly Israel has mistakenly helped China with Military high technology transfer.
// If China wants a two state solution - Israel and Palestine, how about the same for Taiwan, Tibet and East Turkmenistan (the 3 Ts).

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Oct 2023 20:54

bala wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 20:06 // IMHO:
// surprisingly Israel has mistakenly helped China with Military high technology transfer.
// If China wants a two state solution - Israel and Palestine, how about the same for Taiwan, Tibet and East Turkmenistan (the 3 Ts).

From what I remember, Chinese J-10 fighter is based on Israel's Lavi fighter tech, and likewise Israel may have sold them its Phalcon AEW technology.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Oct 2023 21:02

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Oct 2023 22:00

Meanwhile:
In Israel after Hamas attack:
-55 Journalists from India
-4 from Nepal
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sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Oct 2023 02:07

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Oct 2023 02:46

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 26 Oct 2023 02:49

This Erdogan is a piece of scum for calling Hamas a liberation group. Would a liberation group go out and murder over 1400 innocent civilians?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Oct 2023 03:41

Douglas MacGregor again - worth hearing:

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Oct 2023 06:52

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 26 Oct 2023 08:20

I think Modi should strongly condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization and compare Hamas to LeT as terrorist organizations and put Rahul Gandhi on the spot for even thinking of Hamas as a freedom fighter organization.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 26 Oct 2023 08:22

sanman wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 20:54
bala wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 20:06 // IMHO:
// surprisingly Israel has mistakenly helped China with Military high technology transfer.
// If China wants a two state solution - Israel and Palestine, how about the same for Taiwan, Tibet and East Turkmenistan (the 3 Ts).

From what I remember, Chinese J-10 fighter is based on Israel's Lavi fighter tech, and likewise Israel may have sold them its Phalcon AEW technology.

remember that phalcons were meant for china and came to india only after massa blocked the sale. for a very long time israel was desperate to resume sales to china - only when india orders ramped up did that stop.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Oct 2023 08:31

500 Hamas, PIJ terrorists trained for October 7 attack in Iran last month – report

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 26 Oct 2023 09:20

hgupta wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023 08:20 I think Modi should strongly condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization and compare Hamas to LeT as terrorist organizations and put Rahul Gandhi on the spot for even thinking of Hamas as a freedom fighter organization.

I think our stand is sensible and well balanced.
We have said terrorism is terrorism and called out the actions of Hamas on 7th Oct.
We have stood with Israel in its fight against terror, just as they have with us.

We are committed to the 2 state solution as the way to solve the Israel-Palestine problem. This is more than Israel or the West is prepared to
concede ( I don't see them agreeing to the Oslo agreement either). We have also rightly recognised that Hamas does not represent the
Palestinian people and have an ongoing discussion with Mahmood Abbas.

We've also expressed deep concern the loss of civilians on both sides and asked for an enquiry into the hospital bombing. We aren't prejudging the issue, unlike everyone else.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 26 Oct 2023 10:12

hgupta wrote: ↑26 Oct 2023 08:20 I think Modi should strongly condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization and compare Hamas to LeT as terrorist organizations and put Rahul Gandhi on the spot for even thinking of Hamas as a freedom fighter organization.

Nope, we don't need to equate our problem to another problem and bring more attention. LeT is on it's way out and dong this will only elevate its profile. If one wants to put pappu on the spot, just call him out on calling this hamas attack as an attack on israel and see how he squirms.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 26 Oct 2023 10:20

The problem is the lack of differentiation between Hamas and the Palestinian need for a seperate state.

Those are 2 seperate issues.

But if one is speaking about the Indian or even global political spectrum. Beyond the official statement from governments. There is no recognition in several civil societies, that Hamas is in fact a terrorist organisation. That is holding the civilian population of Gaza as hostage.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Oct 2023 19:44

bala · Post by **bala** » 26 Oct 2023 22:50

Israel fingers both Russia and China at the UN. Look at how China weasels its way by putting statements about equal rights for Palestine & Israel in the UN, when in the first place it engineered the massacre of Israelis by Hamas by providing vital arms and equipment. China hosts Iran & Hamas operatives on its soil.

This YT by Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan clearly states that Iran, Turkey, Qatar (gave funding) and China are hand-in-gloves with Hamas. Hamas has connections with ISIS and Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) factions.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Oct 2023 00:45

Roop · Post by **Roop** » 27 Oct 2023 07:14

SRajesh wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 10:43 Who is footing the bill for this (on both Gaza and Israel side) ?

On the Gaza side, clearly the majority of funding is from Qatar, with little bits and pieces from Iran, Turkey and China. On the Israeli side, probably mostly from the U.S.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Oct 2023 17:58

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Oct 2023 18:23

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377281/
America’s First Amphetamine Epidemic 1929–1971

The US military also supplied Benzedrine to servicemen during the war, mainly as 5-mg tablets, for routine use in aviation, as a general medical supply, and in emergency kits. The British military also supplied Benzedrine tablets during the war, and the German and Japanese military supplied methamphetamine.Of course, not all amphetamine supplied by the military was ingested by servicemen, nor did users ingest it ad libitum; there were rules limiting the drug’s use. However, these were not well observed. For instance, in a 1945 army survey of fighter pilots, of the 15% (13 of 85) who regularly used amphetamine in combat, the majority “made their own rules” and took Benzedrine whenever they “felt like it” rather than as directed.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 27 Oct 2023 20:54

Col. Douglas MacGregor is asking for the retreat of U.S. Without war, U.S cannot maintain their global dominance without it. Since U.S misused wars so much, people are against U.S waging wars. Col want the U.S to stop all wars. He don't mind the space being occupied by China. He encourages it and is against U.S going to war with China. This is more like a child who cried wolf situation for the U.S. People has lost trust in war. Situation is so bad that they cannot realize who their real enemies are and when the real threat keep expanding, they will not be in a position to wage wars. Something similar to what happened to Tibet and us.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Oct 2023 21:27

If Iran enters into the war - and that's very likely, starting with its proxy Hezbollah - then the situation will blow up fast.

If Iran was not willing to risk war, then it would have never initiated its 10/7 attack on Israel in the first place.

Iran is currently behaving as if it has already received guarantees from stronger powers. (We all know who they are.)

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Oct 2023 21:47

NRao wrote: ↑25 Oct 2023 00:58
g.sarkar wrote: ↑24 Oct 2023 20:23 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-769646
Hamas terrorists took Captagon to help them murder and torture victims
Hamas terrorists killed by Israeli soldiers were found to carry bags of synthetic amphetamine pills in their pockets.
JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH, OCTOBER 22, 2023

as·sas·sin
/əˈsas(ə)n/
Origin

early 16th century: from French, from Italian assassino, from Arabic ḥašīšī ‘member of Nizari branch of Ismaili Muslims’, literally ‘hashish-eater’, probably originally a derogatory nickname, with reference to the supposedly erratic behavior of the members of the sect, as if they were intoxicated by hashish.

Nothing has changed.

Neither the Book, nor the thinking.

The Book has to be rewritten.

Rao ji,

somali pirates chew khat, to produce a captagon like effect

“Khat is a stimulant (‘upper’) with similar effects to amphetamine. It comes from a leafy green plant of the same name. The fresher the leaves, the stronger the effect. You chew the leaf over a number of hours.”

the practice is now fairly wide spread, especially when "migrants" carried the custom to other shores