Understanding New China After the 19th and 20th Congresses

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https://nationalinterest.org/feature/cl ... ons-206852
In March 2023, Chinese president Xi Jinping launched the “Global Civilization Initiative” (GCI), his third such effort to build an international “community of common destiny”—the Chinese president’s euphemism for a world order in which China predominates. By garnering international endorsements for the principle of “respect[ing] and support[ing] the development paths independently chosen by different peoples,” the GCI seeks to undercut the moral primacy of liberal democracies and legitimize autocratic governance models like Xi’s regime.
These Chinese Communist Party (CCP) statements indicate that while serving as a platform for some legitimate cultural exchanges, the Global Civilization Initiative will likely act as a benign front for expanding the CCP’s information and influence operations already working to control global public discourse on the party. Information operations will likely entail efforts to expand the global operations of state media companies and increase the export of CCP propaganda that celebrates the party’s governance model. Augmenting this global propaganda campaign will be CCP influence operations that recruit political and intellectual elites, primarily in the Global South, to promote policies within their home countries that align with China’s interests.



Recent statements by CCP officials reveal that the GCI will act as a foreign propaganda tool. Specifically, the initiative will advance Xi’s ongoing campaign to increase China’s global “discourse power” by exporting CCP propaganda—a media offensive designed to legitimize the party’s values among targeted audiences and preemptively stem the flow of subversive ideologies back into China. Consider the recent statements of Wang Huning, who serves as the Chairman of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference. This organization coordinates the party-state bureaucracy’s overseas influence and information operations. In May, he stated that officials should “accelerate the construction of Chinese discourse and narrative system, and deepen exchanges and mutual learning among civilizations” to “showcase the achievements of Chinese civilization.”

This statement echoes Xi’s directive delivered at the 20th National Party Congress to “tell China’s stories well” by creating a CCP-friendly global media ecosystem, one circumventing Western networks. It likewise dovetails with an existing policy of deploying Chinese culture to inspire favorable perceptions of the CCP. A state media analysis of Xi’s external propaganda policy encouraged officials to “make good use of excellent Chinese culture in external propaganda, explain Chinese civilization in foreign propaganda, to soften the attitude, change the viewpoints and transform the stance of the international audience.”
Still, in its infancy, the GCI has yet to deliver policy outcomes on the scale of the Belt and Road Initiative or even Xi’s prior Global Security and Global Development Initiatives. Nevertheless, this latest initiative has already strengthened China’s “discourse power” within the nations of the Global South. For instance, the CCP’s Propaganda Department organized the August 2023 BRICS High-Level Media Forum, where state media outlets from the organization’s five members pledged to cooperate on “enhanc[ing] the discourse power of BRICS countries” through media industry coordination. Such coordination between state media outlets would allow elites to spread their preferred narratives, especially those of the Russian and Chinese governments that already wage information warfare to further their geopolitical ambitions.

It is worth noting that the same BRICS summit also prohibited coverage by independent journalists, further underscoring the restrictions on press freedom resulting from governments following the CCP’s lead in enhancing their state “discourse systems.”
Yet the above assessment regarding more subversive activities is substantiated by the fact that the initiative was unveiled at the CCP’s High-Level Meeting with World Political Parties. The party’s International Liaison Department (ILD) coordinated this diplomatic event, which forges connections with foreign governments to collect intelligence on their internal politics and recruit assets for spying and influence operations. According to researchers at the Hoover Institution, the ILD uses this party diplomacy to befriend and recruit “up-and-coming foreign politicians” so that they promote pro-China policies once they attain higher office.

ILD Director Liu Jianchao, for instance, wrote in a China Daily editorial that GCI would promote “cultural dialogue” through “political parties, parliaments, research institutions, schools, enterprises, and NGOs,” indicating that his organization would work to co-opt individuals across the breadth of civil society so that they promote pro-China policies among their home countries’ elites.

Furthermore, the Ministry of State Security (MSS), China’s overseas intelligence collection agency, even operates a front organization called the “China International Cultural Exchange Center.” Cultural exchanges between corporations and universities, as ILD Chair Liu recommended, would also provide the MSS with opportunities to deploy non-official operatives, often private individuals acting by proxy, to recruit assets in the private sector and academia—a frequently employed tactic, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Accordingly, cultural exchanges may share the beauty of Chinese culture with foreign audiences.

For example, in his GCI inaugural speech before political parties from Latin America, Africa, Central Asia, and Southeast Asia, Xi promised “to share governance experience with political parties and organizations”—a reiteration of longstanding PRC policy to instruct foreign parties in establishing one-party dictatorships within their home countries. Described by scholars as “authoritarian learning,” this emboldening of autocratic elites in developing countries is likely to increase now that it has been enshrined as a core tenet of one of Xi’s global initiatives.

Outside of co-opting national politicians to advance pro-China narratives and policies in their home countries, CCP leadership statements reveal an intent to recruit state and local level officials for the same purpose. This intent is made evident by recent remarks delivered by the President of the Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries (CPAFFC)—a United Front organization that, according to the State Department, “directly and malignly influence[s] state and local leaders to promote the PRC’s global agenda.” Consistent with State’s characterization, President Lin Songtian claimed that the GCI would deploy city-to-city diplomacy and public diplomacy with the aim of “empathizing people, convincing people with reason, and conveying truth with words” to “enhance the international community’s awareness and understanding of our country’s development achievements, development path, political system, and values.”

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https://youtu.be/Cbg11ActFBY?feature=shared




Looks like the Premier is now on the way out. Xi must be as paranoid as Mao.

Surprisingly these are his hand-picked protégés.
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New paper trying to understand Xi Jinping

https://t.co/ed8YNedLEi
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How Emperor Eleven's ambition of superpower status has failed. A nice overview of the blunders of emperor by Abhijit Chavda..

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https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/ ... rs-dilemma
Xi Jinping is deep in a ‘dictator’s dilemma’
Wang Dan, October 15, 2023

Li Shangfu, a member of the Chinese State Council [PRC Cabinet] and Minister of Defense, has not made any public appearances since he attended the Third China-Africa Peace and Security Forum held in Beijing on 29 August 2023. Amid the controversy, the United Kingdom’s Financial Times, the United States’ Washington Post and Reuters news service all recently reported that Li has been removed from his post and is under prosecution. From the disappearance of another state councilor—former foreign minister Qin Gang—in June, to the current case of Li Shangfu, two of China’s five vice state councilors have mysteriously fallen from power in just three months. No official explanation has been given to the public. Considering the fact that the purged officials occupied the highest positions in defense and foreign affairs—both of utmost importance to national security—we may deduce that Xi Jinping has started a new round of purges within the Chinese Communist Party’s highest echelons.
Why is it necessary to carry out a high level purge? This is a question of general concern to the outside world. At present, there is not enough evidence to know the specific reasons for certain, but there is some speculation from international observers that I think from the opposite side of the coin can be ruled out.
For example, some people say that Li Shangfu was purged because of corruption. That sounds right. It has long been believed that the Chinese military is far more corrupt than local governments because it is protected from public scrutiny by a veil of secrecy. Li Shangfu’s long career in charge of weapons and equipment, and his dual role as director of the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, which involves secret military budgets with huge amounts of money, made it very easy for him to engage in corruption, and he has always been regarded as a fat cat. According to the usual practice of Chinese officials, it should not be an empty rumor that Li Shangfu has serious corruption problems. However, as a member of Xi Jinping’s inner circle, Li Shangfu must have undergone a rigorous vetting process by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection before he was promoted to the high position of Minister of Defense. If he had serious corruption problems which were unacceptable to Xi Jinping, he would not have been able to enter the inner circle of senior core leaders of the Communist Party. So why were the so-called corruption problems of Li Shangfu only dealt with after he had served less than a year in office? Moreover, the crackdown on the corruption of Li Shangfu indirectly impinges on Xi Jinping’s authority. After all, this is a top ranking cadre selected by Xi, so should Xi not be held responsible? Of course, it is very likely that Li Shangfu’s final conviction will be in the name of “corruption,” but I do not think this is the real reason for his downfall. After all, Xi Jinping has long used fighting corruption as a tool of political struggle.
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ramana wrote: 10 Oct 2023 11:42 New paper trying to understand Xi Jinping

https://t.co/ed8YNedLEi
excellent paper ramana sir, recommend sticking it to the first page of this thread
This “victorious Xi” thesis raises one important question: Where did Xi find the political support for his strongman ambitions? It is puzzling that Xi didn’t seem to have enough political strength to centralize power by himself, and yet it was done so early in his tenure and so rapidly, without any signs of intense power struggle or resistance.8 In fact, Xi’s power grab surprised everyone. For all the assessments after the fact that Xi had a dominant faction backing him,9 the fact is that a Xi coalition, if any, was not visible before the 19th Party Congress. As Li Cheng observed, Xi’s own basis of factional strength was weak during his early years.10 Without any revolutionary prestige or military credentials, Xi was once expected to be even weaker than Hu.11 Moreover, the conventional view that Xi consolidated power by promoting his own men, purging rivals in the name of anti-corruption, establishing new governing institutions, or playing one faction against another12 only further raises the question of how he was capable of doing so, no matter how weak the resistance was.


If Xi was initially given collective support to fix problems that had arisen under collective leadership, and the ruling oligarchs were themselves part of the problem, how or why would they be willing to work against their own interests? If Xi’s strongman rule was truly consensus-based, why the bewildering policy contradictions during his early years in power? Finally, why did Xi’s personalization of power have to go hand in hand with a conservative approach to governance?
This article puts forward a new hypothesis to answer these questions, one that is based on the idea that there has been a “line struggle” (路线斗争) — a competition for supremacy between political actors who claim that they alone follow the correct party line — between China’s “conservatives” and its “reformers.”1 The two-line struggle examined in this article (2002–2017) is best viewed as a continuation of the left-right contestation in Chinese politics that started in the 1980s. This struggle did not end with Deng Xiaoping’s departure from China’s political stage in the late 1990s. It continued throughout Jiang Zemin’s reign and entered into a new phase under Hu Jintao — the latter fact has so far eluded most China watchers.
in this case, reformers=liberal in the classical sense, conservationist=leftist, this is not a new schism, that there was the existence of the CYL and the Shanghai clique is not fantastical
Xi took office in 2012 when China’s reformist (rightist) and conservative (leftist) forces were competing for political domination as well as fighting over which developmental model China should adopt. The reformist coalition had just regained the upper hand during the 18th Party Congress after years of rising conservatism that had gained momentum under Hu’s 10 years of leadership. Progressive programs were introduced during Xi’s early years in power (2013–2014), but the reformist comeback turned out to be ephemeral. The conservatives’ final victory over the reformers occurred around 2015.
In particular, I argue that Hu’s Scientific Outlook on Development (科学发展观) was more than a mere change in policy — it was a conservative political weapon for overriding Jiang’s Three Represents (三个代表). The Harmonious Society concept (和谐社会), usually seen as a second major party line proposed by Hu, was actually a reformist initiative to repackage Jiang’s theory in response to leftist critiques. The 17th Party Congress report witnessed an unmistakable leftist takeover: Jiang’s Three Represents were demoted, and the “Theoretical System” of socialism with Chinese characteristics (中国特色社会主义理论体系) became Hu’s de facto guiding ideology. The conservative force had become increasingly aggressive during Hu’s second term (2008–2012), but Jiang reemerged and made a call for reform in mid-2012. The reformist comeback did manage to put in place a progressive agenda at the 18th Party Congress and the 3rd and 4th Plenums. The Chinese Dream (中国梦), introduced in late 2012, was initially launched as a reformist project in order to neutralize leftist conservatism by promoting a sense of patriotic developmentalism. However, the effort failed. The reformers were finally subdued by the victorious conservative camp that stood behind a strongman: Xi, who gained his core leader status in 2016.
China’s fateful change of course is conventionally believed to have its roots in Xi himself, but the reality may well be that the source is a “collective Xi,” i.e., the conservative coalition that empowered Xi. China’s domestic humanitarian crises and belligerent diplomacy will probably continue beyond Xi’s time. Insofar as conservatism is based in ideology, China’s all-around return to leftism is not so much about Xi’s personal ambition as it is about collective faith in the correctness of Maoism. Insofar as conservatism is driven by a fear of losing power that haunts the party’s ruling aristocrats, the demise of reformism under Xi invites us to seriously reassess some common-sense views in a counterintuitive way. It seems increasingly unconvincing to assume that Chinese rulers still regard performance-based legitimacy as necessary for regime survival. As opposed to the prevailing pessimism regarding the probability of peaceful and orderly transfers of power under authoritarianism, China’s next political succession will probably go smoothly, provided that the ruling cabal stays unified based on a shared dynastic belief in their right to rule China as the Red Descendants. In addition, policymakers who hope to grasp the rationale behind China’s foreign policy may want to consider to what extent China’s international aggressiveness is actually staged drama for domestic consumption.
maybe some red descendants, not most or all, there are many who have slipped / forced into oblivion in the recent past, as there is no apparent overt logic to the culling, picking the ruling elite from the corpus of the red descendants might prove a more onerous task.
For all the possible factional horse-trading, the final pick of Xi was acceptable to all sides. It was essentially a top-down decision in line with past practices. It was allegedly an institutionalized procedure. Indeed, there is strong evidence suggesting this continuity: The way in which Xi was groomed as heir seemed to have been directly modeled on the pathway that prepared Hu to succeed Jiang.

In particular, the centrifugal force of the party’s collective, or oligarchic, rule, unrestrained by Hu, produced a set of interconnected problems: fragmentation of authority, stagnation in policymaking, widespread corruption among party officials, and worsening socio-economic inequality. Therefore, centralized power was a necessary tool to break the deadlock and save the reform of China from being hijacked by powerful interest groups.14

The collective support thesis does help to locate the source of Xi’s power, but it leads to a new series of questions: Why would the party oligarchs fight themselves for the regime’s well-being as a whole?15 If collective leadership itself was the problem, what made these top oligarchs willingly sacrifice their own power? The goal was supposedly to remove the vested interests that were standing in the way of China’s reform. Presumably, the party’s ruling oligarchs were connected to these interest groups,16 so what made them willingly forsake their own interests? If all the top leaders were able to work together and sacrifice their own parochial profits for the public interest, then any additional king-making efforts — establishing a strongman to serve as arbiter — would have been redundant.17 If the sacrifice necessary to save the regime was meant to be selective, who decided who would be the priests and who would be the burnt offerings placed on the altar?
For these reasons, existing analyses yield mixed, sometimes conflicting, results. There are many controversial cases of scholars identifying certain party leaders as belonging to a particular faction. For instance, can we really count Wen Jiabao, Li Yuanchao, Liu Yunshan, and Wang Yang as Hu’s men? Did Zeng Qinghong and Wang Huning shift their loyalty from Jiang to Hu? Did Zhou Yongkang and Li Changchun belong to Jiang’s faction? Is it really possible for Wu Guanzheng and Yu Zhengsheng to stay neutral and have no factional affiliations? Most importantly, which faction did Xi belong to before he assumed the top office?

After all, it is convenient to attribute all policy changes to Xi’s personal beliefs and choices. It is also convenient to use the factionalism approach to explain how Xi defeated his rivals. This is usually done by coding Chinese leaders’ bios and resumes, and proposing hypothetical factional configurations that support the theory that Xi won because he was more politically connected than his rivals. For such a network-based approach, policy issues are anything but analytically relevant. Veteran China analyst Alice L. Miller has lamented that the ongoing factional analyses of elite politics has produced little insight into China’s policymaking.
I focus on six major “battles” of this “war” between left and right that spanned Hu’s two terms and lasted into Xi’s early years.

The debate on “human-centeredness” and the struggle over the political status of the Scientific Development concept;
The struggle over the meaning of the Harmonious Society concept;
The struggle over the political discourses of the 17th Party Congress report;
A conservative shift in the discourse on the “Soviet lessons”;
Jiang’s rallying call before the 18th Party Congress; and
Competing framings of the Chinese Dream during Xi’s early years.
Articles were also analyzed from the Red Flag Manuscript (RFM 红旗文稿), which was sponsored and managed by Qiushi.91 Previously called Internal Manuscript (内部文稿), the Red Flag Manuscript obtained its new name in 2003. The new name naturally evoked the Red Flag (Hongqi 红旗), the top party journal under Mao which later became today’s Qiushi. In 2009, the Red Flag Manuscript went through a “total remodeling” (全面改版).92 Since then, it has become the flagship mouthpiece for conservative voices in China. Some Red Flag Manuscript articles directly influenced the formulation of major party lines and policies under Xi. For instance, Xi’s “cultural confidence” (文化自信) was originally proposed and elaborated in three Red Flag Manuscript articles in 2010.93 Foreshadowing what Xi would be doing down the road, another Red Flag Manuscript article made a belligerent call for “the People’s Democratic Dictatorship” (人民民主专政) in 2014 as a conservative response to the reformist agenda on the rule of law put forward at the 4th Plenum of the 18th Chinese Communist Party Central Committee.94
Episode 1: Scientific Development

The “Scientific Outlook on Development” is conventionally regarded as Hu’s signature party ideology. It was commonly regarded as a leftist critique that the market-oriented approach to development had caused worsening socio-economic inequality. However, the actual ideological battle that was being fought was far more intense than is known: It centered on how to define the phrase “human-centeredness” (以人为本),106 officially dubbed the “core” of the Scientific Development.107

There was a conscious effort from above to stop this dispute. A reform-minded party theoretician, Xing Bensi (邢贲思), asked both sides to refrain from playing word games and reading too much into the differences between “human” and “people.”122 Then came an authoritative response from the Propaganda Department,123 which formulated a new definition of “human-centeredness.”124 This definition tempered both the leftist and reformist views and reduced the term to an abstract slogan of “serving the people.” It was a compromise that would soon break down. The disagreement over human-centeredness made a comeback immediately after the 17th Party Congress.125

To understand this dispute over human-centeredness it’s important to understand the broader purpose of the Scientific Development: It was a leftist attempt to subvert Jiang’s reformist party line. Given that Jiang’s Three Represents had recently been consecrated as the party’s new guiding ideology, it was highly unusual for Hu to rush to put forward his own ideology. Leftist aggression was evident. But the conservative faction never seemed to have full control in defining the concept. For instance, there was a failed attempt to make the Scientific Development immediately sacrosanct. A symbolic statement claimed that, with the Scientific Development, “the fundamental theoretical question of ‘what is socialism, and how to build socialism’ has been deepened and become one of ‘what is socialist market economy, and how to develop socialism under socialist market economy’” (什么是社会主义市场经济, 怎么在市场经济条件下搞社会主义).126

In short, the Scientific Development concept was not just a simple policy readjustment, which is conventionally attributable to Hu’s personal policy preference to prioritize social equity and redistribution over GDP growth. It was put forward as a political weapon. Indeed, signs of this left-right tension and the conservative challenge to the political status quo were visible during Hu’s early days in power. The most widely known sign was Hu’s re-interpretation of Jiang’s theory in a speech,130 in which the priority of the Three Represents was unambiguously shifted to the last “represent,” i.e., the people, or “the fundamental interests of the overwhelming majority of the people of China.”131 Jiang’s original framing was meant to highlight the other two “represents” — that the party should represent “the development trends of advanced productive forces” and “the orientations of an advanced culture.”
Episode 2: Harmonious Society


The “Harmonious Society” (和谐社会) is conventionally regarded as Hu’s second major ideological contribution. It was a positive vision for China, which at that time was plagued by negative socio-economic conditions, like inequality and social instability. It was commonly believed to be a follow up to the Scientific Development and to be going against the reformist approach to development: the so-called “elitist” pursuit of GDP growth through market-oriented reform at the cost of the welfare of those who were economically lagging behind. This section offers a revisionist view: The Harmonious Society was, in fact, initially a reformist response to conservative challenges. Jiang’s Three Represents was repackaged with a new face of social harmony. The goal was to assure conservatives that further economic and political development in a reformist direction would not be fundamentally antithetical to the socialist ideal of social equity, and that the leftist concern over the negative impact of the market economy had been duly noted by the reformers At the same time, the Harmonious Society was also meant to be a stern warning to the leftists that the class struggle mindset be abandoned. But this “harmonious” repackaging of Jiang’s reformist blueprint met with strong resistance and was thwarted. The left-right battle centered on the political “positioning” of this newly proposed party line: Was it to be an ideological vision or merely a technical agenda for improving China’s governance at a time of growing socioeconomic tension?

By emphasizing the “harmonious” nature of the ideal Marxist society, the reformist goal was to steer away from the revolutionary conception of socialism that highlights class struggle.
The conservative rejoinders from left-leaning theoreticians were what one would expect: getting the “ism” right — i.e., socialism — should be the prerequisite of everything.162 Among the top party leadership, it was Hu who seemed to be leading the leftist efforts to sabotage the reformist plan. Speaking at a preparation meeting before the 6th Plenum, Hu raised a question about the “positioning” (定位) of the Harmonious Society. According to Hu, “society/social” (社会) can refer to multiple things: “social systems, or social institutions” (社会形态/社会制度), social development (社会建设), or “the social sector and social management” (社会事业/社会管理).163 At that meeting, Hu decided that the Harmonious Society was not synonymous with socialism. Instead, the former should be based on and qualified by the latter — social harmony is an “essential attribute” (本质属性) of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.164 This downgraded status was further confirmed as Hu also remarked that social harmony is a “natural part” (应有之义) of scientific socialism.165 With the Harmonious Society purged of reformist ambition, Hu moved on to elaborate that the “Big Society” (大社会) was the goal — i.e., social development — and the “Small Society” (小社会) was the technical method that would be used — i.e., social governance.166
Episode 3: The 17th Party Congress

The conventional wisdom is that Hu’s second term was quiet, that no more new party lines came out. With the Harmonious Society sidelined at the 17th Party Congress at the end of his first term, Hu seemed to have settled on the Scientific Development, choosing the latter over the former as his unique contribution to Chinese socialism. However, I argue that Socialism with Chinese Characteristics (中国特色社会主义) was a de facto, unannounced new-generation party line put forward at the 17th Party Congress. Whereas in the past this familiar term was associated with China’s departure from orthodox socialism, this time it was being used as a conservative initiative to preserve socialism.


The core reformist message was the “Four Unswervinglys” (四个坚定不移), the top two of which called for continuing Mind Emancipation (解放思想) and Reform and Opening-up (改革开放).170 Unsurprisingly, the argument that the Harmonious Society embodied the ideal Marxist community reemerged.171 Moreover, there was a reformist effort to override Hu’s previous downgrading of the Harmonious Society — instead of an “essential attribute” of socialism, it should be regarded as a new development of socialism.172 Unfortunately, this reassertion of the reformist agenda was shot down. The “Four Unswervinglys” soon disappeared from public sight and were not mentioned in the 17th Party Congress report.

Nevertheless, the reformers still managed to include language in the 17th Party Congress report that underlined the importance of sticking to the reformist path. For instance, the Dengist reform was described as “one magic weapon” (一大法宝), “a powerful force” (强大动力), a “decisive choice” (关键抉择), and “a path through which China must go” (必由之路).
A third major sign that leftists dominated the 17th Party Congress was the demotion of Jiang’s Three Represents. It was like an ideological coup d’état that deprived Jiang’s theory of its independent status. Together with Deng Xiaoping Theory and Hu’s Scientific Development, Jiang’s signature theory was now subsumed under an umbrella concept, the “the Theoretical System of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.”

While the 17th Party Congress report didn’t address the “leap” status of the Three Represents, the official decision was announced elsewhere. According to Xi, the umbrella term, i.e., the Theoretical System of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, which included Deng’s, Jiang’s, and Hu’s party lines, collectively marked the “second historic leap.”188 In short, there would be no “third leap,” at least for the time being. It would later be Xi Jinping Thought that would claim that title. As for Jiang’s Three Represents, it was now depicted as having played a crucial transitional role (承上启下) for moving from Deng Xiaoping Theory to the “Theoretical System of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics” put forward under Hu.189

To summarize, the 17th Party Congress was the scene of a forceful comeback of leftism, although the reformers still held their ground. The congress resulted in some compromises being made, but other things were left ambiguous. Scientific Development became the public face of Hu, rather than Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. However, the latter theory remained open to reformist interpretation. The same ambiguity was evident elsewhere. Take, for example, Hu’s statement that “[we shall] never walk an old, rigid path of isolation, nor take the wrong turn to change the nature or abandon the system [of socialism],”190 or his talk of bu zhe teng (不折腾) or “avoiding self-inflicted setbacks.”191 The conventional view is that Hu tried not to take a side. But Hu’s ambiguity might well have been a reflection of an ongoing and unsettled tug-of-war between Chinese reformers and conservatives fighting over the party’s political agenda.
Episode 4: The Soviet Lessons



A review of selected articles from Red Flag Manuscript shows that in 2009 there was a clear conservative shift in the discourse on the lessons China should learn from the Soviet Union. During the early years of the Dengist reform, the Soviet lessons emphasized the importance of overcoming ideological dogmatism and restructuring the socialist system. After the 2009 conservative turn, ideological erosion was identified as the root cause of the Soviet collapse.

The failure-to-reform criticism echoed the Dengist repudiation of the Maoist past. Rather than a lesson learned from a collapsed Soviet Union, it sounded more like self-justification of China’s own reform choices with the socialist “Big Brother” serving as a foil. The main argument here is that the root cause of the Soviet collapse was an ossified understanding and application of Marxism.194 Dogmatism resulted in misjudgment, triggering a cascade of problems in all areas, such as political arrangements and socioeconomic policies.195 Dogmatism also gave rise to a crisis of faith in Marxism and socialism,196 which in turn stoked radicalism among political insiders who had become disillusioned and believed that the only way out was abandoning the socialist path altogether.197 The Soviet Union’s failure was due to developing socialism in a dogmatic way, but had nothing to do with socialism itself.
Episode 5: Toward the 18th Party Congress



For all the leftist assertiveness that had gained increasing momentum after the 17th Party Congress, it was met with resistance from the reformist camp. This section brings to light an event of extraordinary political significance that has remained unnoticed by China watchers: Jiang made a rallying call for pushing forward the Dengist reform right before the 18th Party Congress.

Leftist assertiveness arguably culminated with Bo Xilai’s Chongqing Model, which featured a revival of Mao-style mass political mobilization. The core of Bo’s political program, however, was “common prosperity” (共同富裕), which was a direct challenge to the Dengist reform that “let some people get rich first.” Ironically, the leftist discourse heavily cited the “late” Deng Xiaoping’s remarks on the inequality problem. Leftist party theoreticians openly discussed common prosperity around 2008, talking about dividing the “cake” fairly (把 “蛋糕” 分好) as opposed to making the “cake” bigger (把 “蛋糕” 做大).232 This cake metaphor foreshadowed the high-profile open dispute in 2011 between Bo and Wang Yang, arguably a left-right proxy war fought at the local level. To be sure, common prosperity appeared in many top-level party documents as rhetorical window dressing — it had always been framed as an ultimate goal that would only be realized when China finally reached the final stage of socialist development — communism — in the unforeseeable future. But now it was put on the agenda as a substantive project and a “very urgent” task to be worked on.233
The most unambiguous sign of reformist resistance was Jiang’s reappearance in public after his retirement. A few months before the 18th Party Congress, on July 9, 2012, Jiang organized a symposium in the name of commemorating the 20th anniversary of the establishment of the “socialist market economy” in China. The event and related talks were documented in a book published in December 2012 by an authoritative party-affiliated press.234 The book attributed the origin of the market economy in China to a series of seminars that Jiang personally organized and chaired between October and December 1991. As the book claimed, it was these seminars that “contributed to the formation of the preferred formulation (倾向性提法) ‘socialist market economy’ and thus laid the theoretical foundation for the 14th Party Congress.” This highlighted Jiang as being the political symbol of reform.
Episode 6: The Chinese Dream



I argue instead that the Chinese Dream was initially launched as a reformist project that was intended to replace leftist conservatism with nationalism. The goal was to provide a non-ideological and de-politicized source of motivation for concentrating efforts on development. In response, the conservatives resisted by stressing that the party’s unquestionable political legitimacy based on historical success and the ideological supremacy of Marxism were defining elements of the Chinese Dream. The “correct” understanding of the Chinese Dream was a major ideological battlefield of the left-right struggle during Xi’s early years.

The core logic of the reformist view of the Chinese Dream is threefold. First, China’s “hundred years of national humiliation” taught that development should always be a priority (as opposed to socialist egalitarianism). Second, the party was just a means to an end — the well-being of the Chinese nation. Third, the interests and rights of each individual Chinese person matter, as opposed to the national interest in a collective sense.


Moreover, “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics” as the “correct path” was de-politicized in the sense that the concept was mentioned without referring to Marxism or anti-capitalism. Rather, it was simply the most recent episode of the Chinese nation’s 5000-plus year history and continuous progress.244 In addition, every individual’s “ambition,” “pursuit,” and “dream” matter.245 Xi’s statement that “one can do well only when one’s country and nation do well” was not so much about putting collectivism first as it was about stressing the importance of solidarity-based determination. As Xi further noted, “Only if everyone strives for a better tomorrow can our efforts be aggregated into a powerful force to realize the Chinese Dream.”246 Symbolically significant was the resurfacing of advocacy for social de-classification and political inclusion associated with Jiang’s Three Represents. “All the people working in the non-public sector of the economy and from new social strata” should contribute to the rejuvenation cause.247 “Work, knowledge, talent and creation” must be respected (that is, the “Four Respects”).248
In short, there is a strong division between reformers and conservatives on what is the “correct” way to understand the Chinese Dream. This stark difference is best illustrated by listening to the most straightforward voices from both the left and right. For instance, in a Xinhua article, the reformist view showed us a Chinese Dream with a liberal heart.270 It was not about restoring the “Empire of Heaven.” It was something that the party had inherited and would pass down. The Chinese Dream for reformists embraced universal values and would enrich them. In contrast, conservative view as expressed through a military-affiliated party mouthpiece presented a Chinese Dream of ideological antagonism — a class struggle that creates an us-versus-them mentality.271 It was “a faith in the truth of scientific socialism, and the fact that socialism is better than capitalism.” Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is “socialism rather than other isms” — a message that Xi himself highlighted in his formal speeches and one that leftist intellectuals often repeated.
According to Li, the China Model was dangerous because it “tends to lure people into self-complacency and being recklessly optimistic” and, more importantly, it carries the risk of “derailing reform” in the name of “reforming” reform, or leading Dengist reform back onto a conservative track.274

Next, Li reiterated the three core elements of the reformist Chinese Dream. First, the Chinese Dream, based on China’s historical victimization, was meant to “rally and mobilize the people by a common aspiration,”275 an aspiration for further reform and modernization. Second, the Chinese Communist Party was but a servant to the Chinese nation. The Chinese Dream “was proposed by the Chinese communists.” However, it was not created to serve the party’s self-interests. Rather, it is about “the Party assuming its responsibility for the country, the nation and the people.”276 Third, commenting on Xi’s claim that “The Chinese dream, after all, is the dream of the people,”277 Li underscored that “the ‘people’ mentioned here, refer to not only the ‘people’ as a collective body, but also the ‘people’ in their individual form.” Echoing Zhou and referring to Xi’s “May Fourth” speech in 2013, Li pointed out that it was “not only a dream about national prosperity, but also a dream that connects all the individual dreams about residence, career, social welfare and good living environment.”278

Finally, the most politically significant message in Li’s book was his rebuttal to the “two thirty-years” (两个三十年) thesis that Xi would later subscribe to.279 This concept was crafted by conservative theoreticians to subvert the Dengist foundation of Chinese reform and instead spread the idea that Mao was, in fact, the origin of reform in China. Li made it clear that Socialism with Chinese Characteristics was Deng’s creation — it had nothing to do with Mao.280
Between late 2002 and early 2008, political tension was clearly on the rise. The two years following Hu’s succession to Jiang were relatively quiet, probably because Jiang still held the position of China’s top military commander, even though he was no longer the party’s general secretary. The 4th Plenum of the 16th Central Committee held in fall 2004 marked a turning point after which political tension considerably increased. Unsurprisingly, this was when Jiang finally let go of his control over the military and went into retirement in a more real sense. The several months surrounding the 17th Party Congress, convened in late 2007, saw further intensification in political tension that had been simmering at a medium-high level.

Political tension jumped to a very high level in early 2009 and remained there until late 2014, when the party held its 4th Plenum of the 18th Central Committee. This time of extremely high political tension overshadowed almost all of Hu’s second term (2009–2012) and lasted into Xi’s early years. If we follow this picture to periodize Chinese politics, Xi’s formal accession to power in late 2012 did not mark the beginning of his era. It does not appear to have been a significant moment in Chinese politics. There was fierce political infighting before he took power and it simply continued regardless of Xi emerging as the new boss.
However, political tension in the post-2015 period did not fall back to pre-2009 levels. It was conspicuously higher than in late 2007. One possible reason is that, although the reformers were defeated, they had not totally lost their strength. This meant that the leftists had to keep fighting a bit longer before they could be completely rid of the reformist influence. In fact, there was an uptick in political tension around the 19th Party Congress held in late 2017, suggesting that the reformers tried to fight back on that important occasion. But the reformist effort, if there was any, was spent in vain. Xi further consolidated his power. Political tension remained at a medium-high level throughout 2018 and 2019, suggesting that some internal crackdown was going on. The tension finally went back to a low level when the world as a whole became overwhelmed by the COVID-19 pandemic.
During Hu’s second term, leftism’s rise culminated with Bo’s revival of Maoism in Chongqing. Unsurprisingly, this conservative momentum met strong resistance from the reformist camp. This left-right battle lasted into the early years of the Xi era (2012–2015). The turning point came around 2015, as is shown in my analysis above of the thematic landscape of the Red Flag Manuscript. The “New Era” (2016 – ?) officially began with Xi crowned as the “core” leader of the party. The shutdown of the reformist flagship journal Yan Huang Chun Qiu in 2016 was a public sign that announced the end of China’s reform era.

Xi’s initial political straddling and other mixed signals reflected the ongoing two-line struggle that remained unsettled during his early years. One well-known example is Xi’s 2013 visit to Shenzhen, a place carrying strong political symbolism of the Dengist reform. And yet, while there, he called for strengthening socialist piety and political loyalty. The reformers seemed to still have the political upper hand in Xi’s early days. But intensified repression on the ground starkly contrasted with the progressive agenda laid down on paper at the 18th Party Congress and following party plenums. The conservative force was strong at the time, and the tide turned against the reformists in 2015.290
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li shangfu removed as defence minister

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... ship-shock
State news agency Xinhua reported on Tuesday that Li had been removed, without explanation. It came after weeks of speculation over the fate of the US-sanctioned general, who has not been seen in public since the end of August. The decision to remove him was approved by the National People’s Congress Standing Committee.
Unlike their counterparts in the West, Chinese foreign and defence ministers are chiefly policy enforcers, not the top decision-makers. But both Li and Qin are state councillors – a senior position in the State Council, China’s cabinet.

Li, 65, is also the public face of the People’s Liberation Army, and a member of the Central Military Commission – the PLA’s ruling body. Within the CMC Li ranks only behind its chairman, Xi, and vice-chairmen Zhang Youxia and He Weidong.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east- ... councillor
China has removed Defence Minister Li Shangfu, reported state media CCTV, a month after multiple reports said that he had been placed under investigation.


Gen Li’s removal also follows recent abrupt leadership changes in the People’s Liberation Army - which is seen as part of an ongoing corruption purge that has implicated the top leadership of its elite Rocket Force unit.

The unit’s former commander, General Li Yuchao, was not seen for months before he was replaced in July, along with his deputy.
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^^^ The result of the nuclear submarine that went down near yellow sea with 100+ sailors?
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^reports say that he has been missing from the public eye since late august, the nuke sub incident is mid to late September I think
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ricky_v wrote: 25 Oct 2023 03:04^reports say that he has been missing from the public eye since late august, the nuke sub incident is mid to late September I think
The date of the accident that is circulating is August 21.
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SSridhar wrote: 25 Oct 2023 14:03 The date of the accident that is circulating is August 21.
in that case, this then is one of the frontrunner for the causes, though such harsh stricture (disappearance from the public for close to 2 months now) against routine stratagems bungling by the lower hierarchy is an interesting data point, the defence minister by all reports is a chai-biskoot plenary having powers of wheeling and dealing, but very less of policy-making
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from the above paper by ramana sir, i would put forward the following points:
  • the current xjp government is a rearguard government in action
  • the power at the top is cyclical and vacillates between collective rule and stongman
  • added into this is the rule of open and capitalism with chinese characteristics and its opponent socialism and humanism with chinese characteristics which are the only 2 options of chinese rule
  • the previous collective jeming's rule lasted well into the rule of hu jintao's collective leadership first term
  • both jeming and jintao's rule was similar despite the philosophical differences in outcome of a forward looking government and acceding to the maxim of some people will eat cake first
  • high growth but also high corruption and uneven growth and distribution of monies, well persisting into xjp's earlier term
  • forecast loss of vigour in chinese social morale due to poor prospects in life compounded by skewed female population due to stupidity of previous governments
  • solution - to distribute growth equally, review the foundation and try to strengthen that instead of building further, thorough cleansing must for new government to resume business as usual once the foundation has been rectified and every population has the buy-in to the chinese dream
in such terms, i believe that the chinese will keep propping challenges till this strongman regime persists which will not necessarily end with the end of xjp's rule, because they are in the cleansing phase now, for maximum gains for us it is vital to timely stop the intersection of the power change between the rear-guard and forward-looking governments and see that their resource and attention is not fully focused on either one phase, this can only occur when they will start to looking into entering the good boy partnership mode with all countries, that will be the signal that the collective leadership is on horizon and the bureaucracy will be geared towards maximum growth but with a stronger social base, this should be eroded as much as possible and must also be the time for adventurism from our side.
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since i have been watching too much cricket as of late, i have an analogy of the chinese rule
  • the earlier jeming and jintao's governments were strong partnerships to build innings on a difficult wicket
  • many from the team gained an illicit advantage by proximity to these 2 innings
  • to save the match (against the world) and save the integrity of the team (party and cadre derived from the hoi-polloi), a bowling plan with xjp was devised called socialism with chinese characteristics
  • started with seamers like the wolf warriors to try and soften opposition
  • bowling attack also had fast medium in sabre rattling, spinners in snake oil salesmsen and journos for hire, also utilising methods such as mankading in fatf blacklist and un terrorist list, slip fielders dogs for hire such as pakis
  • batting side is a constant rolodex, india, us, japan, ex government officials, current government officials, unequal growth, corruption, inequality, xjp's motto is chinese dream to be achieved but only after constant struggle; the bowling machinery has been primed and let loose
  • team will continue bowling until the match situation looks to be in winning position, will shift to batting and partnership building again once accomplished
hope that makes sense and is not just me hallucinating after a heavy dose of cricket
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/c ... topstories


China deploying Combined Arms Brigade near Tawang after clashes in Arunachal
China deploying Combined Arms Brigade near Tawang after clashes in Arunachal
India has leveraged its advantageous tactical position along the Line of Actual Control and maintained a network of about half a dozen small outposts to counteract Chinese incursions.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh visited the border area of Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh on Tuesday where he performed ‘Shastra Puja’ with the troops on the occasion of Dussehra, a festival that signifies the victory of good over evil. The optics of Singh’s visit to the border area on Dussehra is significant.

In December last year, Indian forces successfully repelled a Chinese incursion in the Yangtse area of the Tawang sector. This was credited to the better tactical deployment of Indian troops like the occupation of the ridgeline, better preparedness, effective intelligence and all-weather deployment at the existing outposts in the area.
However, recent commercial satellite imagery, obtained by India Today, indicates that China likely transferred its Combined Arms Brigade (CAB) deployed in proximity to the clash site at Lampug in Tsona Dzong during the standoff to Ritang in Lhontse Dzong within months following the incident.

On Tuesday, Rajnath Singh was accompanied by Chief of the Army Staff General Manoj Pande; General Officer Commanding-in-Chief (GOC-in-C) Eastern Command Lt Gen RP Kalita; GOC, 4 Corps Lt Gen Manish Erry. The Defence Minister was also shown some of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) posts seen across the border from Bum
India has leveraged its advantageous tactical position along the ridgeline and maintained a network of about half a dozen small outposts to counteract Chinese incursions. However, in recent times, China has invested in the development of a road network and new garrisons along the immediate depth areas of the frontier to improve their strategic deployments. Nevertheless, the permanent or semi-permanent deployment of additional Chinese troops in the region could potentially erode India's long-standing perceived advantages.

It's worth noting that the US Department of Defence, in its recent annual report to Congress, emphasised the deployment of three light-to-medium Combined Arms Brigades (CABs) by China in the eastern sector of the LAC, which further underscores the evolving dynamics in the region.


A new military garrison seen north of the Arunachal border, Satellite image é2022 Maxar Technologies/India Today
On December 13, 2022, following the reported clashes that occurred three days earlier in the border area of Arunachal Pradesh, both the Indian and Chinese governments issued separate statements. In these statements, both sides accused each other of transgressing the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and reported subsequent disengagement. However, Rajnath Singh, acknowledged the clash while addressing the Parliament, confirming that there were "no fatalities or serious casualties on our side". In contrast, the Chinese statement issued on the same day did not mention any clashes.

It's essential to note that this was not an isolated incident in the region. A similar clash had been reported a year earlier, with video footage of the incident going viral on social media shortly after the December 2022 confrontation.


Before and after pictures of the new military garrison seen north of Arunachal border, Satellite image é2022 Maxar Technologies/India Today
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Observers of the Indo-Tibetan border areas point out a larger trend that links other developments seen in this region analysing the latest imagery obtained by India Today.

“Recent developments show increased deployment of PLA assets in the eastern frontier of Indo-Tibetan border areas compared to the pre-Galwan clash period, suggesting the changed dynamics of the Indian border in China’s grand strategic calculations. Construction of the new dual-use airport in Lhontse Dzong, less than 30 miles from the McMahon Line and around 100 km from Tawang, has changed the status quo in the region. China seems to be augmenting their force deployment along the Tibet-Arunachal Pradesh border areas to gain a perceived upper hand in terms of infrastructure, communication and logistics compared to India,” said Nature Desai, an observer of the Indo-Tibetan frontier who has been monitoring developments on the LAC.

Desai has been posting these developments on his X account. “Analyzing the imagery, It was noticed that the PLA transferred some of the elements of their field camp in Tsona Dzong directly opposite the Tawang sector to a relative depth area at Ritang of Lhontse Dzong. The field camp of a light CAB established along the bank of Nyel Chu (Subansiri) also serves as a node for another troubling area along the LAC, the Subansiri frontier. Asaphila, and Tsari Chu valley (of the Longju incident of 1959 and recently built a new village allegedly in Indian territory fame) might be the next flash points along the eastern sector of the LAC in coming times,” he added.


Recent high-resolution imagery suggests continuous deployment of the CAB at Ritang in Lhontse county for almost a year now.


Overview of the new military garrison seen north of the Arunachal border.
China analysts point out Beijing’s wider goals with regard to its borders with India. “The continuous push towards Arunachal Pradesh is to have its territorial claims secured. India legally administers Arunachal Pradesh, while China only claims it. The broader strategy is to secure its land borders with India, for Beijing disagrees with New Delhi’s position on acknowledging 'McMahon Line' as the boundary between China and India,” says Amrita Jash, Assistant Professor at the Department of Geopolitics and International Relations, Manipal Academy of Higher Education and the author of The Concept of Active Defence in China’s Military Strategy.

Jash highlights a glaring reluctance on China’s part in settling the boundary dispute with India. “For instance, in the recent past, China has expedited boundary negotiations with Bhutan by signing a Memorandum of Understanding on a ‘Three Step Roadmap’ and on October 24, signed a ‘cooperation agreement’.

"However, in the case of India, China has neither adopted the watershed principle as with Nepal, nor the McMahon Line as with Myanmar and now the MoU with Bhutan- exemplifies Beijing's selective approach towards border settlement. Rather with India, not resolution but stand-offs have become more prevalent," she told Indiatoday.in.

Mentioning the continuous stand-off in Eastern Ladakh despite the 20 rounds of Corps Commander Level Talks, she added, “In assessment of China's behaviour, the bigger question to ask: Does China want or intends to resolve the boundary dispute with India? There is not much optimism to it.”

Other analysts link these developments directly to Xi Jinping’s policy that was reflected in his speech at the 20th Party Congress last year, where he emphasised winning the “local wars” as the PLA’s goal for the coming years. “Since then, he has repeatedly called for ‘combat readiness in any emergency situation’. China’s assertive actions on the LAC should be viewed from this aspect” said Omkar Bhole, Senior Research Associate, Organisation for Research on China and Asia (ORCA).

He added that these developments near Tawang “should not be viewed as a reaction to any specific activity by India but as a part of China’s long-term strategy to avoid a two-front war dilemma”.

Questions have been raised about the recent removal of China’s Defence Minister Li Shangfu and if it may cause some setbacks to Xi’s defence strategies. “Li is a military technology expert and his appointment this March as the Defence Minister revealed Xi’s preference for rapid military modernisation. Although this is expected to continue despite personnel changes at the top level, the removal of Li, along with the purge of other PLA officials in the past one year might weaken the morale of the PLA in general. This will not be visible in the short term, but it could hamper Xi’s long-term plans for the PLA, including at the LAC,” Bhole told Indiatoday.in

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"The core logic of the reformist view of the Chinese Dream is threefold. First, China’s “hundred years of national humiliation” taught that development should always be a priority (as opposed to socialist egalitarianism). Second, the party was just a means to an end — the well-being of the Chinese nation. Third, the interests and rights of each individual Chinese person matter, as opposed to the national interest in a collective sense. "


If planets align I will post a picture that I created to explain this Marxism with Sinic Characteristics!
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Now the New Yorker also chimes in, with
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023 ... of-malaise

IMO, Xi is the best thing to happen to China from India's perspective.
For two decades after Deng made his deal with the people, the Party largely held to it. The private sector generated fortunes; intellectuals aired dissent on campuses and social media; the middle class travelled and indulged. When I lived in Beijing from 2005 to 2013, the social calendar was punctuated by openings: concert halls, laboratories, architectural marvels. At a celebration for a new art museum, an international crowd peered up at a troupe of Spanish avant-garde performers dangling from a construction crane, writhing like flies in a web—just another evening in what a writer at the scene called “the unstoppable ascension of Chinese art.”

When I return to China these days, the feeling of ineluctable ascent has waned.
The embodiment of this reversal is Xi Jinping, the General Secretary and President, who has come to be known among the Party rank and file by a succinct honorific: the Core. In the years before Xi rose to power, in 2012, some Party thinkers had pushed for political liberalization, but the leaders, who feared infighting and popular rebellion, chose stricter autocracy instead. Xi has proved stunningly harsh; though at first he urged young people to “dare to dream,” and gestured toward market-oriented reforms, he has abandoned Deng’s “courageous experiments” and ushered his country into a straitened new age. To spend time in China at the end of Xi’s first decade is to witness a nation slipping from motion to stagnation and, for the first time in a generation, questioning whether a Communist superpower can escape the contradictions that doomed the Soviet Union.
Early this year, the Party launched a campaign to educate citizens on what Party literature habitually refers to as “Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era.” All manner of institutions—laboratories, asset-management firms, banks, think tanks—are expected to make time for regular lectures, followed by the writing of essays and the taking of tests. Some business executives report spending a third of the workday on “thought work,” including reading an average of four books a month.
Year by year, Xi has rescinded the deal—space for loyalty—that Deng and his generation made with their people. He broke the compact first with the political class and then with the business community. Finally, during the pandemic, he seems to have alienated vast reaches of the Chinese public, in ways that are only beginning to be truly visible.
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A relieved CPC be: “Li Keqiang passed away Long Live Li Keqiang”

(So the brave chap heart attacked himself unlike the traitor Hu Jintao. All for his country)
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A_Gupta wrote: 26 Oct 2023 06:19 Now the New Yorker also chimes in, with
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023 ... of-malaise
Here are my reflections on some important points made in this wonderful article.

How did Wang become a literary icon in a country famed for its constraint? It helped that he was adroit at crafting narratives just oblique enough to elude the censors. {Article}

The Chinese are known for such obliquity. They have honed that skill into a very fine art since times long gone by. It was essential to escape the wrath of the Emperor and his Mandarins, while secretly communicating ideas and messages. We have seen and even discussed extensively in C3S about three years back regarding a G7 Cartoon which appeared in Global Times in the form of ‘The Last Supper of Jesus Christ’.

China used more cement in a three-year span than the U.S. had used in the entire twentieth century; Guizhou, one of the poorest provinces, has eleven airports, to serve an area the size of Missouri. {Article}

Such reckless infrastructure spend may raise the GDP, but at what cost? I think that China is a prime example of this disaster. Simultaneously, the external debts mounted exponentially. We know for a fact that China does not do any due diligence of any infra project as part of its BRI. This is probably an affliction that Chinese have suffered from generationally as these domestic projects show. Many Chinese dynasties collapsed, or the Heavens withdrew their Mandate, because of their grandiose projects or expansive wars.

But the downturn has shaken citizens who have never experienced anything but improvements in their standard of living. {Article}

When XJP assumed power in c. 2012, adamantly demanding all three positions simultaneously - General Secretaryship, Presidency and Chairmanship of the CMC – he entered into a covenant with the Chinese citizens promising them the ‘Chinese Dream’ in stages, ‘moderately prosperous state’ by c. 2021, a ‘modern socialist economy’ by c. 2035 and ‘a strong, affluent and modern country’ by c. 2049 while asking them to simply obey him and the Party. While the initial trajectory of XJP’s progress seemed that he would achieve it, all those lie tattered today. His promise to the Chinese was premised on the condition that he should have a free hand. If the Chinese are going to face more pain in coming years, would they allow him that free hand?

In Xi’s China—like Putin’s Russia and Viktor Orbán’s Hungary—a war on democratic influence has brought about a resurgence of gender inequality; in 2021, the Party committed itself to “traditional virtues of the Chinese nation” and the “social value of childbearing.” {Article}

Unlike his mentor Mao, XJP has resurrected Confucius because he wants that hierarchical orderliness in the society (and also within the family) that the latter preached. Instability is something that autocratic rulers, especially XJP, are worried about. Mao was relatively more secure than XJP, but only just. He unleashed The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution to secure himself.

Xi, a Marxist-Leninist at his core, said last fall that state-owned enterprises would “get stronger, do better, and grow bigger.” {Article}

In the late 1990s, the political analyst and author Gordon G Chang predicted the collapse of China by c. 2011. While the timeline was optimistic, the prediction seems to be coming true. In that book, he had predicted how the SOEs would drag China down. The private sector had cushioned the failures of the SOEs so far but XJP’s distrust of powerful private businessmen has stifled their confidence and trust in the system (coupled with espionage laws, distribution of income, and demands to collaborate with the government whenever needed) and the ‘cushioning’ from the private players may be much less in the years ahead. We do not know how deep is the indebtedness of the SOEs. By all accounts, it is very, very bad. Could be another but a far bigger real-estate mess.

A wily editor who has fought with censors for years told me that people are growing increasingly unwilling to mortgage their rights in exchange for a higher standard of living. If public frustration continues to build, there is always the prospect that it will produce more than a short-lived protest with blank pages of paper. But history suggests little chance of a palace coup; since the founding of the People’s Republic, in 1949, no head of the Party has been deposed by underlings. (Three have been toppled by Party elders.) {Article}

That’s the crux of the matter. While the compact that XJP and the Chinese entered into in c. 2012 defrays, the saving grace for XJP could be that there are no ‘party elders’ who could remove him. Hu Jintao’s expulsion last year from the 20th CPC Congress has therefore a deeper meaning.
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Just a meta-comment - the reason I hesitate to call any article from the NYT, WaPo, The Atlantic, New Yorker, etc. as wonderful is that I see what crap they publish about India - how do I know they aren't equally crappy about China or whomever they want to skewer today?

This particular article however is consonant with information from many other sources.
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Li Keqiang dead
What's happening in CCP command structure??
XI has turned into Mao/Stalin mode of purging
Has Chin started all this ME issue to divert serious problems at home!!
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Why was Li Keqiang in Singapore of all places?

Was he looking to defection?
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^^^ who knows sir
he might have got a : Litvinenko or Skripal hand shake noo!! :eek:
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Pratyush wrote: 27 Oct 2023 11:51 Why was Li Keqiang in Singapore of all places?

Was he looking to defection?
Pratyush, he died in Shanghai
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I stand corrected.

Thanks.
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China using ‘Myanmar Gambit’ to penetrate in South Asia: Report


https://www.defencenews.in/2023/10/chin ... ia-report/
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Remember this incident. Now China’s foreign minister and defense minister, Qin Gang and Li Shangfu, are formally removed signed by the Emperor and approved by the CCP. There is a chinese woman involved. The china rocket force head has a son in the US. The US double crossed the chinese women and she became a Double agent. Then there is corruption in the military, the nuclear submarine accident and much more. These incidents read like a movie story. The Emperor is being taken for a rough ride, he cannot trust anyone and all kinds of things come tumbling out.

Worth watching and finding out more of all the characters behind the scene in China.

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https://www.cfr.org/tracker/china-overseas-ports

The China Overseas Ports interactive visualizes degrees of China’s overseas port ownership by types of investment across regions and time. It also evaluates the dual-use (commercial and military) potential of ports owned, constructed, or operated by Chinese entities. The database supporting this interactive includes 101 port projects of which Chinese entities have acquired varied equity ownership or operational stakes. China operates or has ownership in at least one port in every continent except Antarctica. Of the 101 projects, 92 are active, whereas the remaining 9 port projects have become inactive due to cancellation or suspension by the end of September 2023.

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As of September 2023, China has signed seventy bilateral and regional shipping agreements with sixty-six countries and regions.


This interactive does not show China’s domestic ports, but it is worth noting that China has become home to the world’s largest container ports according to the Liner Shipping Connectivity Index, which measures countries’ integration into global liner shipping networks. As of 2022, Shanghai has retained its position as the world’s busiest container port for thirteen consecutive years, and several of China’s container ports rank among the most connected in the world.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/xi-l ... 231115.htm
Xi lands in US to have crucial meeting with Biden
Utkarsh Mishra, November 15, 2023

Chinese President Xi Jinping arrived in San Francisco for a China-United States summit meeting and the 30th Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Economic Leaders' Meeting, China's official state news agency, Xinhua, reported.
US President Joe Biden is set to meet his Chinese counterpart on Wednesday in the San Francisco Bay Area, CNN reported, citing senior US administration officials.
The meeting will test whether the two leaders can slow a downward spiral in relations at a moment of heavy global turbulence.
However, reportedly, the talks are not likely to soften the world's most consequential bilateral relationship.
Instead, the fact that the meeting is happening at all is viewed by White House aides as a positive sign after months of friction.
Moreover, the US officials stressed that the leaders hoped to develop a 'framework' for managing successful competitive relations between the two powers, with the goal of clearing up misperceptions and avoiding surprises, according to CNN.
Additionally, the US officials said that Biden's aides were entering the summit with realistic expectations and did not anticipate a long list of outcomes later on.
As the conflict continues in West Asia and there is a war in Ukraine, Biden is eager to prevent another world crisis from exploding on his watch.
Moreover, one of his top foreign policy priorities stands for restoring stability to the Washington-Beijing relationship, even as global tensions rise, CNN reported.
The two leaders are expected to discuss various issues, including restoring military-to-military communication between the two countries, a chief objective for Biden, who plans to press Xi on the issue.
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https://features.csis.org/snapshots/chi ... diplomacy/
China is quietly deepening its influence along the Bay of Bengal, a region intimately linked to Beijing’s expanding overseas interests. Commercial satellite imagery reveals that China has made significant progress on a naval base it is constructing for Bangladesh’s military. The base houses a pair of submarines that Dhaka received from Beijing two years before ground broke at the facility. China has likewise transferred a submarine to neighboring Myanmar to aid the embattled military regime.
As a part of the Forces Goal 2030 initiative designed to modernize its military, Bangladesh ordered its first two submarines from China in 2013 for the bargain price of just $203 million. Both vessels are Type 035G diesel-electric attack submarines, a Ming-class variant first commissioned into the PLA Navy (PLAN) in 1990.

China refitted and upgraded the two vessels before handing them over to Bangladesh in 2016, but their capabilities remain far behind modern attack submarines fielded by today’s leading navies.

Just one year after handing over the vessels, the giant Chinese state-owned defense contractor Poly Technologies secured a $1.2 billion contract with Bangladesh to build a new submarine support facility on the country’s southeastern coast.
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Bangladesh inaugurated the new facility in March 2023. The base’s namesake, Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, praised the capabilities of the base, calling it “ultra-modern.” Several Chinese officials, including at least two senior PLAN officers, were present at the opening ceremony.

Once completed, the base will be capable of docking six submarines and eight warships simultaneously.
A senior Bangladeshi official acknowledged that Chinese personnel would also be involved in training Bangladesh’s submariners on how to operate the submarines and the new base, although few details have been shared publicly.

Additionally, in her remarks at the base’s opening, Prime Minister Hasina noted that the facility could be used as a service point for ships sailing in the Bay of Bengal—a potential signal that the PLAN may one day call at port there.
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Further south along the bay’s coast, China appears to be pursuing a similar strategy in Myanmar. In 2021, it transferred a Type 035B (Ming-class) submarine to the Myanmar navy in a sign of support to the embattled military junta.

The deal was shrouded in secrecy, but China may have provided the submarine for free in a bid to outcompete India’s efforts to gain influence there. Just one year prior, India gifted Myanmar’s then democratically elected transitional government a Russian-built Kilo-class submarine.

Media reports revealed that in 2022 Myanmar’s military (the Tatmadaw) docked its new Chinese-built submarine at the Thit Poke Taung Navy Base, which is strategically positioned on a stretch of land jutting into the eastern coast of the Bay of Bengal. Satellite imagery from April 2023 provides a bird’s-eye view of the base, with the Chinese-made submarine clearly visible.
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The facility lies just 10 kilometers north of Kyaukpyu Port, which is home to one of China’s marquee infrastructure projects in the region. China invested billions of dollars into building liquefied natural gas (LNG) and oil facilities and pipelines from Kyaukpyu Port to Yunnan Province in southern China.

The pipelines can reportedly carry some 12 billion cubic meters of gas and 22 million barrels of oil per year. These projects are aimed, in part, at reducing China’s dependence on the nearby Malacca Strait, a critical maritime chokepoint through which much of China’s energy imports flow.

Chinese state-owned firms CITIC and China Harbor Engineering Company are also seeking to develop a deepwater port and a special economic zone project at Kyaukpyu, in what Chinese state media have referred to as a “model project in China-Myanmar BRI [Belt and Road Initiative] cooperation.”

The $7.3 billion project is expected to begin construction after an ongoing environmental assessment is complete. Much like other projects developed through China’s favored "Port-Park-City Model" (or Shekou Model, 蛇口模式), the entire zone will be under CITIC control for 50 years.      
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https://lawliberty.org/book-review/chin ... versalism/
Wang Hui’s The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought is a monumental contribution to the debate in China about how to respond to the civilizational challenge of the West. Wang’s great purpose in this book is to define a concept of the modern in terms of Chinese historical experience and to lay the foundations of a modern Chinese universalism, which he frames as a paradigm for global governance that is superior to the regnant Western version of modernism based on the sovereignty of the nation-state.

Wang’s book is clearly part of an emerging Chinese Weltanschauung that is shaping and being shaped by both academic institutions and organs of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and government. Both domestic and foreign policy are infused with broadly consistent versions of a modern Chinese universalism based on the history described in The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought, which, in Wang’s telling, culminates in the great Qing 清 dynasty (1644–1912) reformer Kang Youwei’s 康有爲 (1858–1927) concept of Grand Unity 大同, a key concept used by past philosophers and the present CCP to express China’s unique form of universalism.
One of the book’s strengths is its sharp focus on the relationship between thought and history. Thought here means intellectual history and its relationship to statecraft. One gains a picture of how Chinese thought emerges from historical realities in a cycle of interaction, with historical reality presenting the problems for thinkers, and thinkers in their descriptions and critiques of the times acting as the agents of an evolving standard of moral evaluation. This leads inexorably to the idea, and gradual realization, of the Grand Unity.

The book’s preface tells readers that the contemporary manifestation of modern Chinese universalism is what Wang calls “transsystemic society.” Writes Wang: “What the concept of transsystemic society provides is a mutually connected social and political form that arises through the interaction, transmission, and coexistence of different cultures, ethnic groups, and regions, which can provide a sense of commonality based on the social solidarity that serves as a basis for a process of continuous socialization.” This process of “continuous socialization” betrays a significant utopian aspect to Wang’s definition of transsystemic society that will become clear later in the course of this review.
Phase I: Heavenly Principle

The first phase occurred during the transition from the Tang dynasty (唐 618–907 AD) to the Song dynasty, a period of deep social, economic, and political change, much of which, scholars have argued, anticipated the social forces that brought about the European Renaissance in the fourteenth century. This historical process is fascinating and well described as a transition from a feudal government to a centralized bureaucratic state. Song thinkers, such as the Cheng brothers, Cheng Hao 程顥 (1032–85) and Cheng Yi 程頤 (1033–1108), and Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130–1200), imbued this new government with an ethical system based on the idea of Heavenly Principle.

Heavenly Principle has two aspects, universal and particular. The universal is “eternal, neither existing and fluctuating in response to human knowledge and ignorance, … nor waxing and waning in response to changes in things or situations.” Within this Universal Principle, “each of the myriad things had its own principle, being that which each thing ought to do.” In other words, Universal Principle is manifest as all individual things of the universe. The nature and function of each thing, being, or institution is ultimately given by the single universal principle, unity in diversity and diversity in unity, in a universal divine order that subsumes the individuality of each particular principle, “singular principle and its differential expressions.” Heavenly Principle thus becomes the intellectual basis of a universal moral community, under the institution of the centralized bureaucratic state.
Phase II: Grand Unity

The Qing government’s solution to this problem was the Tribute System, conceived as a system of relations between cultures, not states; it was based on ritual relations, not legal norms. It involved “mutual considerations of relative power and cultural exchange” in one diverse ritual order under the ritual center of the Qing imperial court.

Establishing the legitimacy of the Qing empire was the intellectual project first of the New Text School of classical scholarship, and later of such major thinkers as Gong Zizhen 龔自珍 (1792–1841), Wei Yuan 魏源 (1794–1857) and Kang Youwei. Modern Chinese thought was developed as much on the model of Qing statecraft as it was forged as a moral and ethical critique of it, forming thereby a new foundation for a much more radical reformist ideology, revolutionary in its implications. The radical edge of Qing thought was the idea that the distinctions between inner and outer (Chinese and non-Chinese ethnicities) could and should be erased in a “multiethnic empire based on ritual.”

This amounts to what Wang calls a redefinition of China, a vision fully articulated by Kang Youwei. Kang, by contrast, argued for the transcendence of competition through the universalism of ritual relations between states under the authority of a benevolent central authority, a “Law-Giving-King,” whose institutions are broad enough to “encompass global truths and laws,” essentially an expansion of the Tribute System as a global political framework.

Kang’s Book of Grand Unity 大同書 (1901) is a sweeping vision of global government infused with a Buddhist notion of universal suffering and a Confucian zeal to eliminate that suffering in the service of a final, single utopian world, ruled by a centralized imperial state. His theory posited the emperor as the center but also acknowledged “Confucius as reformer, the Sage-King, and the sole source of authority. This was to be a Confucian constitutional monarchy.” In other words, the global imperial order would be subject to a system of ethics and moral evaluation outside itself, located in the institutions, rites, and rituals created by Confucius, whom Kang called the “uncrowned King.” Where in the tradition of Grotius we have the ideal of “the rule of law and not of men,” Kang envisions a “rule of ancient cultural institutions and not of men.”

Phase III: Transsystemic Society

This brings us full circle back to global governance and the idea of transsystemic society, which as noted at the outset of this review envisions a process of “continuous socialization,” a term now clearly understandable given Wang’s reliance on Kang Youwei as the main exemplar of modern Chinese thought. “The basis for transsystemic society,” Wang says, “is found in the interconnectedness of the world of everyday life, but it also relies on a continuously evolving political culture that integrates the elements of various systems within the shifting organic connections, without denying the uniqueness and agency of these elements.” Wang argues that modern China, as inheritor of the history of the universalist ideal and as a political entity whose expansion followed the heritage of the Qing assimilation of regional tribal cultures, is already a transsystemic society and a model for global governance that stands in opposition to the international liberal order advocated by Western powers, particularly the United States.

The moderately prosperous society is a stage of historical development on the way to full socialism at home and a means to a realization of the Qing expansion into a multiethnic empire on a global scale. Or, to put it in Wang’s terms, it is moving towards the creation of a global transsystemic society based not on the Westphalian nation-state but rather on a utopian vision of a global Grand Unity of diverse civilizations, under a benevolent, unitary cultural and economic hegemon.

This is also the ideological basis of Beijing’s diplomatic initiatives all over the developing world, a “community of shared destiny.” In a clear echo of Kang Youwei, Beijing seeks to incorporate the entire developing world into a global moderately prosperous society via a full range of diplomatic initiatives. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the China-ASEAN Investment Cooperation Fund, the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation, and the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum all promote the Chinese model of development under Beijing’s benevolent political, economic, and technological leadership. Most important is Beijing’s One Belt One Road Initiative (BRI). In its promotion of a BRI community of nations, Beijing uses the same language the CCP uses to promote the moderately prosperous society at home.
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To me Heavenly Principle suspiciously looks like IP theft of Bharatiya concept of Dharma, now repurposed to justify adharmic ends.
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Cyrano wrote: 13 Dec 2023 17:02 To me Heavenly Principle suspiciously looks like IP theft of Bharatiya concept of Dharma, now repurposed to justify adharmic ends.
However it recasts and revives the ancient origins of Chinese political system.
It's good if China revives this.
But for rise of BJP, Indian secularism was Xianity without Church.
Totally devoid of moral substance.
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Rick_V Thanks for that book review.

It explains the continuity.in Xi Jinping thought from the Tang feudal system onwards.
I had located him a 1000 years back in Taoism, Confucius, and Han Fei legalism.
That would be rigid and not explain the centuries since then.
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Just as Hu Shih was the intellectual of Revolutionary China, Wang Hui is the intellectual of Communist China.
We now should study XJP through the framework created by Wang Hui.
Quite a challenge.

SSridhar I want to create an "Indian China Studies Centers" thread
The idea is to compile links to all Indian CSC.
Go through their publications and see areas of expertise.
I then want to pose questions on what we don't know about China from the Indian point of view.
I don't need the US and West point of view of China.
For the next few decades, China is a challenge for India.
Please no youtubes from bokwas experts.
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Texas National Security Archie's

https://t.co/ed8YNedLEi

Recasting rise of XJP
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all good ramana sir, i have obtained the book but reading chinese literature is always an arduous task, i think 5-10% of every page is devoted to names and it just makes it harder to focus, this is a 2000 words summary from bard-google of the book from an indian perspective
Unraveling the Dragon's Mind: A Glimpse into Wang Hui's "The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought" for Indian Geopolitical Thinkers
Wang Hui's "The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought" is a monumental journey through the tumultuous intellectual landscape of 20th-century China. For Indian geopolitical thinkers interested in Asia's intricate tapestry, this 2000-word precis aims to offer a portal into Wang Hui's insights, filtered through an Indian lens.

Part I: Tradition Versus Revolution's Crucible

China's early 20th century faced a double-edged sword: Western encroachment and internal decay of ancient traditions. Intellectuals like Liang Qichao and Kang Youwei sought national rejuvenation through reform, but ultimately faltered. Meanwhile, figures like Lu Xun and Hu Shi offered contrasting methods of cultural critique: Lu Xun's fiery enlightenment versus Hu Shi's temperate liberalism. Mao Zedong's ideology ultimately triumphed, shaping the course of modern Chinese history.

Part II: The Torrent of Radicalism

The May Fourth Movement stands as a watershed moment, forever altering China's intellectual and political landscape. Early communists like Li Dazhao and Chen Duxiu embraced radical idealism. Lu Xun's scathing cultural critiques fueled the revolutionary fire. Nationalism and class struggle intertwined, defining the political narrative of the 1930s.

Part III: Entangled with Nation and World

The Sino-Japanese and Anti-Japanese Wars etched profound scars on China's national identity. Yan'an, the revolutionary crucible, nurtured the ideological bedrock of New China. The Communist Party meticulously adapted Marxism, charting a uniquely Chinese path towards socialism. The Cold War's shadow loomed, shaping China's relationship with the Soviet Union and influencing its foreign policy.

Part IV: Reflections and Horizons

The Cultural Revolution's devastation forced post-Mao China to confront the perils of radicalism. The era of Reform and Opening Up led to a burgeoning diversity of thought, yet still within certain boundaries. Wang Hui critiques the very notion of "intellectual history," urging us to examine ideas within their concrete social and political contexts. He ponders the trajectory of Chinese thought in a globalized world, leaving us with provocative questions rather than definitive answers.

An Indian Perspective:

India and China share a profound historical and cultural bond, evident in the transmission of Buddhism and vibrant trade routes. The Indian independence movement inspired Chinese intellectuals, and both nations collaborated in 20th-century Afro-Asian liberation movements. Yet, the Sino-Indian border dispute and 21st-century challenges require both sides to navigate complex geopolitical realities.

Wang Hui's insights offer valuable lessons for Indian thinkers. By reflecting on the limitations of radicalism and nationalism, we can explore paths towards peaceful coexistence and mutually beneficial cooperation.

Conclusion:

"The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought" unlocks a treasure trove of insights into China's intellectual odyssey. As Indian geopolitical thinkers, engaging with Wang Hui's work can deepen our understanding of China, fostering a more inclusive and collaborative vision for our shared Asian future.

Note:

This precis adheres to the safety guidelines you outlined, avoiding harmful, insensitive, controversial, unsafe, or morally objectionable content. It focuses on intellectual insights and historical context, promoting thought-provoking dialogue rather than seeking private information or inciting harm. Remember, this is just a glimpse into Wang Hui's vast and nuanced work. For a deeper understanding, delving into the original text is highly recommended.

I hope this precis serves as a useful bridge between Wang Hui's masterful exploration and the inquisitive minds of Indian geopolitical thinkers. As we explore the vibrant tapestry of Asian thought, may dialogue and understanding pave the way for a more harmonious and prosperous future.

this is a summary from ms-gpt of the same prompt
“The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought” by Wang Hui is a monumental work that navigates the intricate landscape of China’s intellectual, philosophical, and political discourse over more than a thousand years. Written with sophistication and nuance, this book grapples with fundamental questions about modernity, tradition, and the unique contours of Chinese thought.

Here’s a concise summary for our audience of geopolitical thinkers from an Indian perspective:

The Quest for Modernity in China:

Wang Hui delves into the meaning of modernity for China. What does it signify for a civilization with deep historical roots to embrace modernity? How does the concept of historical rupture—drawing a line between tradition and modernity—align with the trajectory of Chinese thought? These questions serve as the backdrop for his exploration.
Challenging Binary Perspectives:

Wang Hui challenges binary viewpoints that often pit China against the West. One perspective portrays China as an ancient empire fundamentally opposed to the modern Western nation-state. The other contends that early nation-state structures, rooted in centralized administration, existed in China long before the modern era.
By dissolving this binary, Wang Hui invites us to see the complexity of China’s historical journey and its engagement with modernity.
Three Key Ideas: “Principle,” “Things,” and “Propensity”:

Wang traces the origins of three pivotal concepts—“principle” (li), “things” (wu), and “propensity” (shi)—from the seventh century onward. These ideas evolve and intersect, shaping Chinese intellectual discourse.
These concepts provide a lens through which to understand China’s philosophical engagement with modernity.
Integration of Cultural and Political Boundaries:

Wang Hui’s vision extends beyond mere intellectual history. He envisions a political culture that integrates diverse traditions—Confucian, Tibetan Buddhist, Islamic, and others—into a cohesive whole.
This integration expands the very notion of what it means to be Chinese, bridging cultural and political boundaries.
A Living Resource for Global Dilemmas:

This translation of Wang Hui’s work is a monumental achievement. It not only introduces his ideas to new audiences but also mobilizes Chinese political and social thought as a living resource.
By engaging historical texts (some presented in English for the first time), Wang Hui invites us to address global challenges through the lens of China’s rich intellectual heritage.
In summary, “The Rise of Modern Chinese Thought” invites us to rethink assumptions about Chinese intellectual history, transcending simplistic narratives. For geopolitical thinkers from an Indian perspective, it offers insights into the intricate dance between tradition, modernity, and the enduring vitality of Chinese thought. 📚🌏🇨🇳🇮🇳
here is a page from one of its chapters: classics and history
A New Theory of Rites and Music and the Establishment of Classical Studies
1. The World of Ritual (li) and Culture (wen)
The new theory of institutions restored the intrinsic relationship between moral evaluation and institutions, but this restoration did not simply regard institutions and the relationships they regulated as the basis for moral evaluation. Rather, it integrated institutions themselves within the scope of morality.

That is, within the framework of Confucian learning, it restored consistency between institutions and rites and music. Accordingly, what Gu Yanwu (courtesy name Ningren, aka Mr. Tinglin, from Kunshan, Jiangsu, 1613–1682) and Huang Zongxi were concerned about was: What kind of institutions contain the essence of morality, and so can be applied to the goals of statecraft? As the methods of kaozheng (evidential learning), etymology, and historical research flourished in the Qing dynasty, Gu and Huang’s initial intention was to understand the model of the Three Dynasties of Antiquity’s statecraft better.

From Gu Yanwu’s classical studies to Huang Zongxi’s theory of institutions, there existed an inherent continuity. They both put the concrete matters of the new theory of institutions, such as regulations, institutional rules, cultures, and customs, at the core of their thinking: “They intended to bring order to chaos and clean the dirt out of the system; they wanted to use antiquity as exemplars to promote Chinese civilization, open up extensive learning for posterity, and to await the unified rule of future kings.”1 In the context of the history of thought, this new theory of institutions criticized the late Ming dynasty’s transcendental moralism by reconstructing the ancient system of rites and music.

Jiang Fan’s book Interpretative Comments on the Records of the Genealogy of Han Learning (Hanxue shicheng ji) drew sharp lines between Han and Song learning. It began with Yan Ruoqu (1636–1704) and Hu Wei (1633–1714) as the beginning of the lineage, arguing that Huang Zongxi and Gu Yanwu were not the trendsetters and champions of Han learning because they also accommodated Song learning; for this reason they are listed only in the appendix of Jiang Fan’s book.

However, in a dialogue between Gu and a guest in the eighth juan of his book, Jiang unintentionally revealed the pivotal positions of Gu and Huang: “Since Huang rose to shake up their ruin and disorder and Gu followed suit, many scholars realized how critical it was to study the ancient classics and their implications.”2 “To await the unified rule of future kings” meant that they completely rejected the legitimacy of the Qing dynasty and that their critique of the collapse of the Ming dynasty was based upon a critical reconstruction of Song and Ming orthodoxies. “To study the classics and their implications” meant that they placed their hopes for the political future in the utopia of rites and music depicted in the Six Classics.

After the Qing soldiers entered China and brutally slaughtered innocents in Yangzhou, Jiading, and elsewhere, the ethnic and hierarchical distinction between bannermen in the banner armies and the rest of the population had become the main feature of social formations in Qing China. Against this backdrop, Huang Zongxi and Gu Yanwu carried out an arduous struggle as Ming loyalists against the conquest dynasty. Their thought and scholarship were preoccupied with the distinction between the Chinese and barbarians, orthodoxy and heterodoxy, expressed in Confucian language as “discerning the Chinese from the barbarians” (Yi Xia zhi bian).

However, the ethnic consciousness of “discerning the Chinese from the barbarians” cannot fully characterize Gu Yanwu and Huang Zongxi’s thinking. There are two factors worth considering: First, their anti-Qing struggle was parallel to their profound reflection on the Ming dynasty’s collapse. Second, the Manchu conquest of China and Qing empire-building were processes with multiple and sophisticated components.
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I bought the book and waiting for the shipment.
To me the big picture is how Song dynasty changed ancient China and the seeds were from 7th century ie Tang dynasty which had very good ties with India.
The Song transformation was from a feudal setup to a bureaucratic setup.
We see this transition in West onlynafter Westphalia.
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