Hamas attack.on Israel. Oct 2023

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 30 Oct 2023 11:18

A_Gupta wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023 04:11 Mr. Vivek Ramaswamy wants the IDF to do A, B and C; but he opposes the US sending any aid to Israel. So he won't put any money where his mouth is.

What has he done to support our fight against State sponsored terror ?

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 30 Oct 2023 11:21

rahulm wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023 06:06
sanman wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023 02:49

what's a cope cage?
To mitigate drone dropped munitions. Its like a wedding shamiana erected on top of the tank except its a metal mesh instead of the colourful tarps used in the wedding shamiana.

Russia gets theirs factory fitted (and the West derisively called them cope cages). When Israel fabricates it on the field, its a smart innovation.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Oct 2023 11:35

Well, what do do, the Russians cannot get anything right. After all, they are a gas station masquerading as a country.

According to the Americans at least.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 30 Oct 2023 12:06

Aditya_V wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023 10:55
sanman wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023 02:50
What about Pakistan the original Sin of Usurping Hindu Lands and Genociding them.

None of these Pakistanis remember what their General Zia-ul-Haq did to Palestinians during the Black September uprising in Jordan.
Their memories are quite selective and convenient.

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 30 Oct 2023 12:14

They sent illiterate unwashed tribals led by their army officers to invade and capture Kashmir even though it has ceded to India. They are still occupying that land and have turned it into terrorist training ground. Islamic world operates on hypocrisies.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 30 Oct 2023 12:52

More from Doug MacGregor:

dsreedhar · Post by **dsreedhar** » 30 Oct 2023 21:19

Israel has hit Gaza hard and showed their capacity and resolve against terrorism. To avoid losing continued support to them so far from various quarters globally (and locally), would it be wise for them to give a temporary pause on military ops (disaster to human lives and negative image) and let the western leftists and UN to send in their orgs and security personnel into Gaza and surrender/capture Hamas terrorists? Put some onus on these orgs too. Make it timebound after which resume operations to destroy/clean up the terrorist infrastructure.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 30 Oct 2023 21:23

^ IMO, only if some leftists or orgs volunteer as counter hostages that will be executed by IDF for every hostage known to be alive right now. IDF need to press on.

Shani Louk, German-Israeli woman captured by Hamas, confirmed dead

SivaR · Post by **SivaR** » 30 Oct 2023 21:27

dsreedhar wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023 21:19 UN to send in their orgs and security personnel into Gaza and surrender/capture Hamas terrorists? Put some onus on these orgs too. Make it timebound after which resume operations to destroy/clean up the terrorist infrastructure.

This was my exact thought process. This is happening in Africa for aeons. But the UN has become very weak and could not get agreement in any global issues like terrorism. We (India) will be happy to send our peace keeping force to this mission as long as it is in global agreement.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 30 Oct 2023 21:49

^^^Should be careful about peace keeping force.
Africa is another matter
Most places Indian forces sent are not in peaceful dominated areas and generally in Africa the Indian Army is respected for its role.
Middle East is a different matter given our peaceful population.
It would end up in IPKF type disaster with allegations and counter allegations or worst an assasination attempt on the central ministers.
Let the goras attempt that!!
As a matter of fact I wonder how many western armies involved in African peace-keeping given the histroy of slave trade. They try to do it peaceful areas given the crap of 'people of the book' !!

bala · Post by **bala** » 30 Oct 2023 21:51

Pakistanis are mercenaries who are willing to commit genocide for a buck or two. They slaughtered Palestinians for the Jordan King sometime back. They continue with innocent civilian killing activity within their nation to those who are not PakJabis. Pukes are involved in training many terrorist orgs including Hamas. The Pak rangers have resorted to firing along the LAC against Border Org of Bharat. The natural question is whether the Pukes (with China's help) resort to a blitz of terror against India in Hamas Style. Most of The Ummah nations are aligned with Hamas and oppose Israel. There could be some internal planning with the Ummah nations for such a move. China is fully on board since Emperor is down on his luck and nothing is going positive for China. The Deep state is itching to get back against India and they are already trying various tricks worldwide to finger India (e.g. Justinder from Kaneda). India has to be super alert and the armed forces should be given carte blanche to rip Pukes apart quickly, no ifs ands or buts. Simply hammer them to stone age and break them into many nations like we did with BanglaDesh. The denizens of Baluchistan, Sindh, etc will thank India.

The Lt. Gens are talking about this question in YT...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_l2o_yqc78

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 30 Oct 2023 22:53

https://www.firstpost.com/world/2016-pr ... 19352.html
2016 prophecy on Hamas attack came true in 2023 and Netanyahu knew

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was warned about the Hamas attack in December 2016, claimed the country’s former defence minister Avigdor Lieberman.

Lieberman, who is a leader of Israel’s opposition party – Yisrael Beytenu, had drafted an 11-page document and gave it to Netanyahu, warning Hamas would attack in “precisely the way it did” on October 7.

The part of the detailed document was published by the Yedioth Ahronoth daily on Monday. As per the excerpt, Lieberman claimed to have warned of Hamas plans to invade into the Gaza border, overrun communities in southern Israel, staging massacres and taking hostages.

Most of what was mentioned in the draft was strangely similar to Hamas’ October 7 onslaught. It also indicates that for several years, Israeli officials had been aware of the potential for such a Hamas assault, but apparently did not take the warnings seriously enough.
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Lieberman recalled that he had persuaded Netanyahu to raise the issue at a Cabinet meeting, where the document was “waved away dismissively,” including by security chiefs.

Also, Lieberman alleged that he was made to feel “arrogant” for having presented it.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2023 01:49

Could be the causus belli Bibi was looking for

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 03:07

Cyrano wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 01:49 Could be the causus belli Bibi was looking for

Then how come they weren't able to pre-empt it?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 03:07

bala · Post by **bala** » 31 Oct 2023 03:08

Lots of topics in this YT by Col. Ajay Raina (retd). Israel Iran, tensions along pak border, poor quality munitions supplied by Pukes to Ukraine for $ 0.9 B cost in order to get IMF loan and much more. Interesting tit-bit: Iranian women are heavily into "Victoria Secret" products. Why there may not be a war with Iran now. Even the good Col is waiting for the Balkanization of the land of the Pukes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOT0V_QjIy0

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 31 Oct 2023 03:38

AkshaySG wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023 07:18 Netanyahu is trying to shift blame from his role in the security lapses that led to Oct 07 (and the rise of Hamas) while at the same time figuring out how he can best use this escalation to his political advantage and stay in power as long as possible.

However in this particular situation I don't think he can pull his Phoenix act one more time, His approval ratings are extremely poor and his foreign allies are losing patience w him

His political career is over . If Golda Mier resigned after the Yom Kippur war bibi will also have to resign. But first there is a hell of a lot work to do

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 06:34

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2023 06:48

For your consideration. Another toolkit.

IMO, very serious stuff, if true.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2023 06:55

Folks,

I think the Hamas terrorist act was a Greta Thunberg event.

Staged.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 31 Oct 2023 07:17

^^ staged or not this kind of barbarity is not seen in the modern age.

The bastar** put a baby in the oven.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Oct 2023 07:47

It is simple, we even have Netanyahu's own words.

Netanyahu wanted Hamas to finish off all the other Palestinian political groups, and then he could finish off Hamas as a terrorist organization.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 31 Oct 2023 07:57

Atmavik wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 07:17 ^^ staged or not this kind of barbarity is not seen in the modern age.

The bastar** put a baby in the oven.

The point is that "barbarity" was staged. It was premeditated. Scripted. Tollkitted (if there is such a word).

This is beyond analysis. Enough.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2023 12:43

sanman wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 03:07
Cyrano wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 01:49 Could be the causus belli Bibi was looking for
Then how come they weren't able to pre-empt it?

If you pre-empt then there wont be a causus belli for Bibi. Sounds atrocious when you say it, but who knows ?!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Oct 2023 13:55

NRao wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 07:57
Atmavik wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 07:17 ^^ staged or not this kind of barbarity is not seen in the modern age.

The bastar** put a baby in the oven.
The point is that "barbarity" was staged. It was premeditated. Scripted. Tollkitted (if there is such a word).

This is beyond analysis. Enough.

Rao ji,

Toolkitted: yes, for sure, but it has been some years in the making and the organization / development of the toolkit was so cleverly managed / camouflaged, that it did not even alert intelligence agencies in europe and amrikis much vaunted homeland security, others like the 5eyes for example seem to be equally clueless.

was this deliberate or was it connived, only time will tell...as the details start to unravel...

who has the resources for undertaking on such a massive scale as this, except a rapidly coalescing conglomeration of left oriented and globally funded commie entities, coming out of different countries directly supported by unfriendly deep states and their collaborators

this toolkit has been a long time in the making, with slick snake oil salesman obummer's hand on the tiller because of his global stature and jihadi credentials. Others like cheen, paki, eyeraan, qatar and other jihadi organizations are also in the mix

obummer's animosity toward India, Hindus, and Modi using the caste narrative being pushed in amrika, which has also miraculously manifested in India as a demand for a "caste" census using OBC empowerment as a smokescreen, and pappu is leading this quixotic charge to rally his supporters while promising them their "haq" in the political ecosystem.

caste is a very long standing britshit and european narrative, engineered to assert the superiority of race, culture, and religion over that of the natives in the Indian subcontinent

the left being marginalized in the Indian political and academic arenas has left them rudderless and bereft of funding so the jihadis have risen up the greasy pole because of the funding for their cause not being so drastically affected but the jihadis have not supported the commies as the commies would have wanted or expected

Hriday · Post by **Hriday** » 31 Oct 2023 15:30

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/ ... JSKWQ&s=19

The above is Mario Nawfal's X post on 30.10.2023.

It says that documents reveal that USA and Israel are considering plans to remove the Gaza population to Sinai , Egypt and eventually settle them there.
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My comments below..

Israel had repeatedly asserted that Hamas will be completely destroyed this time. For that to happen a thorough combing through Gaza is necessary with atleast a temporary displacement of the population.

If the above is true, it may heighten the tension between Islamic countries and Israel. It will also match with Starboy's statement of the controlled destruction plan by the Deep State which involves a third world war between Islamic countries and Israel resulting in mutual destruction.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 17:51

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 18:01

Girl from music festival was beheaded

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 18:07

hard lefty Jayapal

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 18:32

Khalistan-Hamas bhai-bhai

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Oct 2023 19:46

Sid Varadarajan is allegedly an American citizen

He wants Modi to be ashamed because India abstained from the UN resolution for ceasefire in Gaza

Did he ask America to be ashamed for voting against the resolution?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 31 Oct 2023 21:30

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2023 22:31

No one in the ME wants Palestinian people. Its against the tenets of Islam that call for forever expanding Muslim controlled lands. They will infight all they want within themselves, but wont accept refugees from another muslim claimed land, that will be seen as a betrayal and cop out.

Secondly, all the OIC countries will use this issue (as they have been doing since Israel was formed) as leverage or shall we say outrage material to inflame and control their own populations on one hand and play the only other card of geo-political influence they have (besides oil which is running out) on the other hand.

One could say the west also uses this issue as leverage to meddle in MErn politics. IMO this time around, thanks to the advent of SM, the outrage factor was hugely visible and has very quickly inflamed muslims and jews all over the world.

Getting gaza residents to resettle or even give away Gaza to Egypt was a proposition that was tabled before. No takers then, no takers now. Peace is actually a threat in a region ruled by dynasties and dictators.

bala · Post by **bala** » 31 Oct 2023 22:33

Folks I have a doubt: Who are the palestine people. Some say they are Greek in origin. Is this true.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2023 22:48

Don't know. They are located at the confluence of trade routes, ancient civilisations, many invasions and wars, and where 3 religions originated, each more virulent than its predecessor. AFAIK, There haven't been mass migrations of muslims INTO this region we now call Palestine since WW2. Arabs were happy to sell scantly populated barren desert lands to Zionists whom they considered fools. When they saw what Israelis could do once they settled there, none of the neighbouring countries ruled by clans wanted them to continue, lest their own people start getting new ideas and start demanding this and that, which once again did not allow people movement of muslims from neighbouring countries into Israel. So assuming we are only talking about muslims living there now, given their reproductive rate in Gaza and West Bank, they havent been greeks or anyone else for over a thousand years or more. I'm wondering how that matters...

In this part of the world, haplo group genetic studies etc do not have any relevance, especially if they are inconvenient with islamic narratives.

bala · Post by **bala** » 31 Oct 2023 23:08

cyrano wrote:especially if they are inconvenient with islamic narratives.

Cyrano saar, this is the issue. Al-aqsa mosque is also in dispute, since it was a Yehudi temple much earlier and destroyed. A small prayer house was erected at the site by Umar after the death of Prophet.

On the palestine being greek/invader from crete and also discussion on al-aqsa see this YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-d6lmb-Jhs

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 31 Oct 2023 23:29

Bala saar,
You may want to check out a YT channel called CIRA International. They may have something on this topic among lots of very credible analyses they have posted.

bala · Post by **bala** » 01 Nov 2023 00:14

The Hamas-Israel conflict is likely just the beginning of global conflicts. The conflict in the Middle East is a crucial part of the CCP's overall strategy to take down the United States. The West might have underestimated China's defense manufacturing capability as the CCP plans for unconventional warfare. Belt and Road is a military project, not an economic one. China wants to open up multiple fronts and middle east war just suits its objective. China has so many problems at home with the economy, demographics, factional infighting, mismanagement, Xi’s foibles, etc but that they are driving this global plan of fomenting instability and war effectively.

Italy has finally come to it's senses and will no doubt exit the BRI. Italy is the soft underbelly of Europe.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 01 Nov 2023 00:27

chetak wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 19:46
Sid Varadarajan is allegedly an American citizen

He wants Modi to be ashamed because India abstained from the UN resolution for ceasefire in Gaza

Did he ask America to be ashamed for voting against the resolution?

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9wB0-YaQAA ... name=small

@gger is an Indian when it suits him , what a hypocrite

Terrorism is Terrorism .no matter whoever tries to white wash it.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 01 Nov 2023 00:45

bala wrote: ↑31 Oct 2023 23:08
cyrano wrote:especially if they are inconvenient with islamic narratives.
Cyrano saar, this is the issue. Al-aqsa mosque is also in dispute, since it was a Yehudi temple much earlier and destroyed. A small prayer house was erected at the site by Umar after the death of Prophet.

On the palestine being greek/invader from crete and also discussion on al-aqsa see this YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-d6lmb-Jhs

The temple mound issue is very similar to ram mandir . One particular religion has a habit of encroaching onto others for the last 1500 years .