India-Qatar Fallout: News & Discussion

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bala wrote: 28 Oct 2023 21:38 ... The ex-Navy Indian officers joined a private security firm in Qatar, via a Singapore entity. Now they are under death threat with some false charges. Why did GOI give permission for these ex-navy officers to join such a firm...
India continues to lose skilled tradesmen, scientists and engineers to these middle eastern sheikhdoms and other countries for reasons I need not mention. I'm sure there are many may more Indians that have picked up lucrative jobs post-retirement. See the sentiments expressed in this old post viewtopic.php?p=2159527#p2159527
bala wrote: 28 Oct 2023 21:38 India needs a multi-prong approach against Qatar, the MEA tries all diplomatic means and also put pressure on US via Israel, the Indian navy needs to think of ways and means to target Qatar, the labor pool of Indians in Qatar need to pitch in too.
The labour pool of Indians, most of whom are blue collar workers have suffered many indignities over the years. And for most of this time, the Indian embassy has been unwilling or unable to help, a combination of not having as much clout as western countries and general incompetence. Asking them to pitch in is a bit too much. I had family representing Indian state companies in Qatar in the late 90s. At the time, even Indian professionals were not treated that well.

This might be an unpopular opinion here on BRF, but the ex-navy officers were not representing the Indian armed forces or the Indian government in any capacity and the consular support that should be extended to them should be the same as that India extends to every other Indian citizen. The 'ex-navy' statement being emphasized repeatedly in every media outlet and portraying this as an attack on the nation tells me that someone wants to make this into a big deal. For all I know they could well have been acting against Qatari interests in exchange for money - which is the reason that Indians land up in the middle east in the first place.
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This might be an unpopular opinion here on BRF
Saar, opinions are fine and necessary in any discussion. The context of people working in Middle East is driven by economics and why they are there is up to them to decide and manage. Today, India is in a pole position with some heft and the EAM especially has shown the path forward in many areas. India airlifted its denizens from the Ukraine-Rus war and also did the same for those Indians caught in Israel in the latest war outbreak. Nations of the world are lining up to send their foreign ministers to India. India has good standing in G20, Global South and even the middle east. India's voice is important in many areas. For Qatar to casually announce death sentence for 8 Indian people (who happen to be ex-Navy) who have worked there, requires full explanation by Qatar. This is a matter that India should not take lightly. The Qatar nation is given protection by the US, there is robust trade between India and Qatar, flights go back and forth and just because there is war between Israel and Hamas India cannot be blamed or tarred in any way. There is some sinister motives by players whom we do not know currently but whom we suspect. Best for Qatar to solve the issue properly otherwise the blowback for them is forthcoming.
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The motive is clear, get Modi out in 24. Watch Al Jazeera, INC and BIF gloating. Theyhave tried Manipur and feel it is not enough traction.

Many people do not realize this but INC fired up it's base and got crucial Hindu votes in 2004 elections thanks to Godhra and post Godhra riots.
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Aditya_V wrote: 28 Oct 2023 10:34
Pratyush wrote: 28 Oct 2023 10:18 Gentlemen,

Please get real.

India has no military options against Quatar. Blockade is a military tool.

Not when the US 5th fleet is based in that country and the USA is beating drums of war with Iran. While they are striking Iranian assets in Syria.

India has to try quite diplomacy with this country.

While i hope that India won't have to pay a high cost to get our men home. But the timing is not very good.
the only option is covert killing of Qataris if they kill our retired personal, but nothing can be done overtly as Qatar is US protectorate state. Even Israel cant kill or Kidnap Hams leaders in Qatar who are sitting a room away from US military personal.
No one is asking you to attack the US Navy. The Israeli's did attack a USN corvette and got away with it too.

If we cant impose our will on the mouth of a channel that is 300kms wide, at a distance of 800 kms from our westernmost tip, at a time when the US needs our goodwill, being embroiled in two side shows and the Chinese are breaking out past the first island chain, then what is the point of even having a Navy with two carriers, 16 subs, 16+ destroyers/frigates?

At some point in time, we will have to do this, i.e. assert ourselves in the gulf. One can argue that this is not the time, we need a/b/c to happen before, or we need some other equipment.. but to dhoti shiver at the thought itself is ridiculous.

We have an anti-sub ballistic torpedo, why cant we use that coupled with drones for a complete sensor-shooter chain?

We should only go to hard options if Qatar harms our men. But this option is on the table as far as I am concerned. The world is simply going to urge restraint and talks.

Finally, we need to bring back ECNR for all emigrants, and this should be used as a reverse lever for economic warfare regimes. Its a shame that we ourselves are considering our youth and our skilled workforce as lesser in value than a polluting commodity like oil or gas! If we are dependent on OnG imports, they are dependent on our manpower imports. It cuts both ways.

As the 3rd-5th largest and fastest growing economy in the world, with world beating armed forces, I am not ready to be bullied by pip-squeaks like Qatar.
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I am sure GoI will take appropriate steps regarding this situation. The charges, evidence, etc will need to be discussed. I don’t think Qatar wants to make an enemy of India for the next 100 years.
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A different insight...

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Aditya_V wrote: 29 Oct 2023 08:24 The motive is clear, get Modi out in 24. Watch Al Jazeera, INC and BIF gloating. Theyhave tried Manipur and feel it is not enough traction.

Many people do not realize this but INC fired up it's base and got crucial Hindu votes in 2004 elections thanks to Godhra and post Godhra riots.
India Shining slogan was not understood by the masses. With relatively meager resources, NDA was trying a top down approach and the rural people had not yet received the benefits, which INC exploited to the full.

This is not the case post 2014, when rural voter is getting the benefits first.
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Qatar is an enemy of India.
🔘 The preachers of the Al-Thani family teaches Muslims that Hindus are kafir and practice shirk, or equating something to god, a crime worse than murder, according to to its preachers.

🔘 The Al-Thani family treats laborers from India like slaves.

🔘 The Al-Thani family is trying to indoctrinate Muslims in India with its rigid, hateful interpretation of Islam.

🔘 They are funding the anti- Hindu hate in America and the West through “Equality Labs,” the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Indian American Muslim Council, Georgetown Bridge Initiative, and all the other “anti-caste” propaganda that is actually anti-Hindu hate.

🔘 Qatar is funding the propaganda equating Modi to Hitler and India to Nazi Germany.

🔘 The Al-Thani family sees the Muslim population in India as a target to win. India will soon have the world’s largest Muslim population. Qatar wants it.
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^^ Pretty sure most of these can be applied to other ME nations
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^ True. But the Qataris have the money.. and are under the protection of KSA and the USA
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Manish_P wrote: 31 Oct 2023 16:24 ^ True. But the Qataris have the money.. and are under the protection of KSA and the USA
QA has money. But they have been at loggerheads with UAE and KSA for a long time.

They have connections with the US true.

There is more to this than meets the eye.
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@NorbertElikes

News: Several Air carriers including Qatar Airways are accused of GST evasion of Rs. 57,000 Crores.

Interesting thing is, DGCI exposed this fraud by Qatar Airways on October 18.

Qatar announced death penalty to 8 Ex-Indian Navy officials On October 26.

Is there something related?
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François Gautier



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoHq4yisS5M


QATAR TAKES REVENGE ON INDIA & SPONSORS ISLAMIC TERRORISM


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https://www.news18.com/india/qatar-cour ... 61130.html

Qatar Court Rejects Appeal against Death Sentence of 8 Indians
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A Qatar court has rejected the appeal filed by the Indian government against the death sentence given to eight former Indian Navy officials, sources told CNN-News18.

The Indian nationals, all employees of Al Dahra company, were taken into custody in August last year in an alleged case of espionage. However, the charges against them were not made public by Qatari authorities.

The officials were allegedly given the death sentence on charges of committing espionage for Israel.

Sources said the Indian government will go for another round of appeal, which is likely to be met with the same treatment.
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What would be the political consequences, if, following the rejection of all legal options, our men are hanged just before the 2024 general elections?

Who are the parties and players would benefit form such an outcome?

That should tell us, just who and what is the driving force behind this charade.
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https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 32207.html
"Diwali dropped as a holiday for Indian schools across Qatar
The note issued to teachers, internally by the school principals, has urged them to abide by the rule out of politeness to the host country though it is the most celebrated Indian festival."
NEW DELHI: Indian schools in Qatar will have a working Diwali on Sunday. Traditionally Diwali has been a holiday for Indian schools but the new notification that was issued by Qatar's education department for the ongoing academic year decided to drop it.

“There are 19 Indian schools in Qatar and at the beginning of the new academic year, they dropped Diwali from the list of holidays. Principals of Indian schools wrote to their staff (which includes people from mostly Indian but other nationalities too) to refrain from applying for leave for November 12th – which happens to be Diwali,” said a source.

The note issued to teachers, internally by the school principals, has also urged them to abide by the rule out of politeness to the host country despite the fact that it is the most celebrated Indian festival.
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India needs to send a strong message to Qatar by supporting anti-Qatar activities and etc.
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@A_Gupta, pin prick. Why you are getting hot under the coller JEE?!!!
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The Israelis think:
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-772924

"The US must designate Qatar as a state sponsor of terrorism - opinion
Qatar has a long record of harboring and funding terrorist organizations. It's time the US holds them accountable."
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wig wrote: 14 Nov 2023 06:14 https://www.news18.com/india/qatar-cour ... 61130.html

Qatar Court Rejects Appeal against Death Sentence of 8 Indians
The URL above now leads to something else.
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I read somewhere that the Men are charged with espionage for Israel (not India) - any Idea on this?
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^^^

That is what has been reported in the media. But we don't really know exactly what is going on.
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Did Israel Attacks Qatar in Hamas on behest of Modi?

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Here's a detailed and informative article (from Nov 2022) on Qatar's "death row" and their practices that will likely apply for the present issue:

https://theconversation.com/qatars-deat ... ess-191017

Interestingly, it says there were 7 Indians on death row between 2016-2021, i.e. before the recent addition of the 8 ex-services men. I don't know what happened to them, and how much the Bharat sarkar has been involved. But the only execution in the last 7 years was of a Nepali.

Similarly it says UAE in recent years had 27 Indians on death row for bootlegging. Clicking the link in the article, it looks like 15 of them were saved by paying compensation/blood money.
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Enforcement Directorate seeks Qatar Airways’ foreign transaction info
https://www.hindustantimes.com/business ... 47490.html

Pressure being built.

Qatar will hurt badly. India will get alternatives for supply of gas and Qatar Airways and Al Jazeera will be banned
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sanjayc wrote: 15 Nov 2023 23:57 Enforcement Directorate seeks Qatar Airways’ foreign transaction info
https://www.hindustantimes.com/business ... 47490.html

Pressure being built.

Qatar will hurt badly. India will get alternatives for supply of gas and Qatar Airways and Al Jazeera will be banned
lotsa ways to squeeze Qatar.... india is the second largest energy consumer by large and going bigger.. Qatar is being reaaally stoopid
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IMO, Al Thani is the problem, not the solution.

The faster he is removed the better. IMO.

________________________________

Unrelated.

BTW, I did light a diya for them Unknown Gunmen.

Just saying.
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Nice gesture, NRao!

As someone said on Twitter, "unknown gunmen" are taking Narayana Murthy's 70-hr workweek advice seriously!

We have had successes in extradition/grabbing from UAE, Nepal, Thailand etc. But botched up the Mehul Choksi op. Hope we have assets in Qatar.
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Appeal process failed: appeal rejected

Last edited by sanman on 16 Nov 2023 23:52, edited 1 time in total.
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Appeal process in case involving 8 Indians on death row in Qatar underway: India
https://www.ptinews.com/news/national/a ... 90055.html
16 Nov 2023
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Yemeni rebels hijack cargo ship in Red Sea with 25 crew members on board, Israel says
Israel says a cargo ship carrying 25 crew members was hijacked in the Red Sea on Sunday.

The Israel Defense Forces claimed Yemen’s Houthi rebels captured the ship. The ship is owned by a British company and operated by a Japanese firm, according to the Israeli prime minister's office, which did not provide details of the companies.

“The hijacking of a cargo ship by the Houthis near Yemen in the southern Red Sea is a very grave incident of global consequence. The ship departed Turkey on its way to India, staffed by civilians of various nationalities, not including Israelis. It is not an Israeli ship,” the IDF said in a statement.

CNN has reached out to a Houthi spokesperson for comment regarding Israeli claim, but is yet to hear back.

The Houthis are a Shia political and military organization in Yemen that have been fighting a civil war in the country against a coalition backed by Saudi Arabia. They have voiced support for the Palestinians and organized protests in Yemen, against Israel’s assault on Gaza.

CNN's Jessie Yeung, Hamdi Alkhshali and Kyle Blaine contributed reporting.
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sanjayc wrote: 15 Nov 2023 23:57 Enforcement Directorate seeks Qatar Airways’ foreign transaction info
https://www.hindustantimes.com/business ... 47490.html

Pressure being built.

Qatar will hurt badly. India will get alternatives for supply of gas and Qatar Airways and Al Jazeera will be banned

This seems Qatarai CCM

Qatar slaps Rs 239 crore tax penalty on L&T

IANS Last Updated: Nov 17, 2023, 10:35 PM IST

India's construction and engineering giant Larsen & Toubro (L&T) has been slapped with two penalties of Rs 111.31 crore and Rs 127.64 crore by Qatar's income tax authorities for alleged variation in the income declared by the company compared with the assessment of the authority, the company said in a stock exchange filing on Friday.

The penalties, which add up to Rs 238.9 crore, have been imposed for the tax assessment period between April 2016 to March 2017 and April 2017 to March 2018. "An appeal has been filed against the levy of this penalty as the company believes it is arbitrary and unjustified," L&T said.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 298618.cms
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^^ Seems like Qatar is two steps ahead of India and have already planned their moves in advance.
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Not really, we have so many levers , the Al thanis and their cronies will regret this a few years from now.
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They will murder our people just before the 2024 elections. That is the plan.
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https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/17 ... 55493?s=20 ---> Qatar Court accepts Ex-Indian Navy Men's Appeal, Next Hearing Soon. India had vowed to explore all legal options in the case to secure the release of its citizens. The appeal document was prepared by the lawyer representing the families & supported by the Modi government & date will be decided for the next appeal hearing.

https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/17 ... 80825?s=20 ---> Backdoor talks are being held by India with US, Saudi Arabia and Turkey in this matter.
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Yagnasri wrote: 21 Nov 2023 12:03 They will murder our people just before the 2024 elections. That is the plan.
Only if we allow them to do so.
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Based on his sources, Dixit ji claims Hamas-Iaraeli deal was managed by Modi's diplomacy. That resulted in the Indian appeal on behalf of the Indian naval officers has been accepted by a Qatari court!!

In Hindi. A lot of details.

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A Qatar Court Accepts India's Appeal Against Death Sentence For 8 Navy Veterans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh74Yb878ZA
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