Christianity, Evangelism & its geopolitical impact

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ramana wrote: 23 Jul 2023 20:23 I came across a book "Baptizing Burma" about the US effort to convert Burmese tribals.

Along with that, they encourage growing poppy for funds.




abrahamic conversions of the NE was the price that was paid by neverwho's India for the political support, some weapons, and the wheat shipments (PL480) that the amrikis provided to India to help her out to check the cheenis expanding militarily into India and the culinary institute was the primary agency responsible, funding and helping out the padres who entered in large numbers.

The congi + padre hands are covered with the blood of these strategically instigated conflicts, and the NE is also where these traitors are instigating separatists and the political wells were poisoned decades ago

The very difficult access to the NE was due to a purposeful and congi govt policy that ensured a scanty road network and admin hurdles like "inner line permits" etc.

(it was purposely done to ensure and keep out lakhs of ordinary Indians who surely would have gone there, otherwise wouldn't there have been tens of thousands of small chai shops being set up by our cousins from a small southern state)

It is only now that rail and roads have entered the NE, and almost simultaneously, the troubles have flared up in those places.

This BIF instigating separatists is a landmine that was strategically sown some decades ago, and it has been once again set off now, before the elections...

These intra tribal conflicts have been simmering for some time now due to poppy cultivation and the majority metis being pushed away from their traditional lands to help clear the ground for more poppy growing.

One understands that poppy is being currently grown in 16-20K acres of land which are protected by abrahamic converted tribes who are the main cultivators and that is the crux of the conflict.

Easy to guess who the buyers and the transporters are....

the pakis, cheenis, and specially the amrikis, are all active in the region and it is quite easy, $$$ wise, to influence the tribal peoples who have a very fluid concept of national borders per se, nationalism, and patriotism

The Supreme Court on Wednesday observed that an order passed by the Manipur High Court directing the state government to consider petitions of the Meitei community to be included in the Scheduled Tribe category was “completely factually wrong”, reported Bar and Bench.

Last week, the court noted that the president has the power to seek changes in the Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe list, and not the High Court.

The order related to Meitei community was passed by a single-judge bench of Acting Chief Justice MV Muralidaran of the High Court on April 19.
The judgement had revived old anxieties between the majority Meitei community and the hill tribes in the northeastern state, leading to violent clashes and deaths.

https://scroll.in/latest/1049253/manipu ... ng-says-sc

Meitei community to be included in the Scheduled Tribe category means more privileges and more LAND allotment to them

note the name of who passed the order

he is a familiar name...


like one said earlier, it's a LANDmine
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"Another major skill set imparted to the Mizo missionaries is that of vulnerability mapping, wherein based on certain parameters, Mizo proselytisers are taught to identify Communities, Ethnic groups, Localities and Individuals who are susceptible to conversions, such as villages/ families devasted by natural disasters like floods, economic or medical catastrophes, individuals and families suffering from terminal or long term illnesses, underdeveloped/ remote localities, and Single parent orphans or orphans etc."

May be we need to do the same? Why do we not reach out to our own vulnerable people ?

"With access to a never-ending supply of finances and manpower, along with a methodical approach to proselytization, the Mizo Church has been particularly successful."

"Supported by a strong cash inflow from foreign donors such as the Presbyterian Church, USA, Princeton Theological Seminary, USA, Presbyterian Church of Wales, UK, World Communion of Reformed Church, UK, Christian Reform World Mission USA, Council of world missions, UK, and the Church Mission Society, UK"

All of these church organizations are against everything liberal, they are essentially the christian taliban, their views in the west to issues such gay/womens rights, extreme right wing politics needs to be highlighted

How difficult would it be to develop the same approach to defend against these hyenas ?
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A quick overview of Manipur history by Abhijit Chavda



Nagas and Meiteis are the original inhabitants of Manipur. Nagas are those who dwelt in the mountains and Meiteis are the valley dwellers and mostly Hindus. The Kuki are imported from the neighboring provinces in China and parts of Burma. Meiteis opposed the Britshits. Which in turn the Britshits targeted them and imposed Christianity and flooded the place with Kukis. The Britshits used these regions to grow poppy and were knee deep in drug trade worldwide. Now every shitty academic in the US supports the Kukis.

I don't understand why India is not paying attention to the northeast and correcting the Britshit nonsense of mischief.
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bala wrote: 27 Jul 2023 01:55 A quick overview of Manipur history by Abhijit Chavda



Nagas and Meiteis are the original inhabitants of Manipur. Nagas are those who dwelt in the mountains and Meiteis are the valley dwellers and mostly Hindus. The Kuki are imported from the neighboring provinces in China and parts of Burma. Meiteis opposed the Britshits. Which in turn the Britshits targeted them and imposed Christianity and flooded the place with Kukis. The Britshits used these regions to grow poppy and were knee deep in drug trade worldwide. Now every shitty academic in the US supports the Kukis.

I don't understand why India is not paying attention to the northeast and correcting the Britshit nonsense of mischief.




bala saar,

check this out. some of your queries may find answers here....



viewtopic.php?p=2596074#p2596074
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Why is this always happening in church associated institutions ??

"TikTok star and English language teacher Luke Rockwell, 29, with 2m followers is arrested for 'having sex with a minor he infected with STDs' while working at private Christian schools in Bangkok"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kwell.html
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Please correct your thinking.

Such activity is a hallmark of the heathens in India. Perhaps also hypersexualised blacks in the west.
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Kapaleeswarar was moved from Santhome to Mylapore in Chennai due Portuguese invasion

The ancient Kapaleeswarar Temple at San Thome visited by Thirugyanasambandar in 6th century AD and Arunagirinathar in 1456 was destroyed by the Catholic Portuguese in 1561. To cleverly cover up this act of crime, the Catholic Church has come up with the fraudulent fable of Martyrdom of St. Thomas at Mylapore in 73 AD. {btw, until 325 AD no one heard about Jesus Christ}. The Portuguese domination of Mylapore lasted from 1522 to 1697, by which time the British had established themselves in the Fort St. George and adjoining territories and the Portuguese had to withdraw to Goa where their Empire lasted until 1962.

Swami Tapasyananda has observed `In Goa Portuguese rule was noted for a spree of destruction of Hindu Temples and persecution of the Goanese, so much so that large sections of them had to flee that territory and settle all along the west coast of India. They are the Gauda Sarawats. The fate of these Goanese would have overtaken the Temples and the people of Madras also, a foretaste of which contingency they got in the destruction of the holy Kapaleeshwara Temple.

Sita Ram Goel in his outstanding book titled `HISTORY OF HINDU-CHRISTIAN ENCOUNTERS (AD 304 TO AD 1996)' has given his magisterial verdict:
`The history of Christianity, crowded as it is with crimes of the most horrendous kind, provides a running commentary on the Christian doctrine. And the biggest share in Christian crimes down the centuries can safely be allotted to the Roman Catholic Church, its head, its hierarchy, its theologians, its religious orders and its missionaries. There is, however, one criminal field in which the Roman Catholic Church has remained unrivaled. No other Christian denomination —there are as many as 23000 of them - comes anywhere near the Roman Catholic Church when it concerns committing of blatant forgeries and foisting of pious frauds. It is no exaggeration to say that starting with Jesus Christ, the entire doctrinal and institutional edifice of Catholicism rests on a series of staggering swindles. The Roman Catholic Church in India has remained true to this tradition. The literature it has produced during the last five centuries is full of lies of the filthiest sort, not only about Hindu religion and culture but also about its own `religion' and role. And this garbage heap is topped by the hoax about the so-called St Thomas'.

After India's Independence, the Catholic Church went on spreading the myth of murder and martyrdom of St. Thomas at Mylapore in the first century A.D. Meanwhile, the Liberation Theology of the Church had added a new dimension to it. St. Thomas started being sold not only as the first founder of Christianity in India but also as the first to proclaim a new social message in this country.

C A Simon under the title `In Memory Of a Slain Saint', struck a new revolutionary note: `St. Thomas spent the last part of his life in Madras preaching the Gospel. A large number of people listened and embraced the way of life preached by him. The oppressed and downtrodden followed him and claimed equal status in society as it was denied to them by the prevailing social norms. He condemned untouchability and attempted to restore equal status to women'.

In November 2006 Pope Benedict XVI had categorically stated that St.Thomas never visited South India.
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Why would that matter? It is a minor point.

There is no historicity of their god.

The only difference between worshipping an abrahamic god and worshipping a cow is that the cow is real.
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sanjaykumar wrote: 10 Sep 2023 00:47 There is no historicity of their god.

The only difference between worshipping an abrahamic god and worshipping a cow is that the cow is real.
BG 4.24
ब्रह्मार्पणं ब्रह्म हविर्ब्रह्माग्नौ ब्रह्मणा हुतम् |
ब्रह्मैव तेन गन्तव्यं ब्रह्मकर्मसमाधिना || 24||
brahmārpaṇaṁ brahma havir brahmāgnau brahmaṇā hutam
brahmaiva tena gantavyaṁ brahma-karma-samādhinā

Some history:
हुतम् hutam (offered) became gutam in german and gott in dutch and finally god in Angrez.

The West notion of Brahman is not the same as the Vedic. Abrahamic "god" is not equivalent to the Vedic concept of Brahman. Bra in sanskrit is to expand. Brahman is truly unknown and beyond material considerations. But by universal consciousness we can infer the presence of such entity. It is considered Nirguna i.e. without attributes because attributes are for strictly objects. Brahman is considered both infinity and shunyam in Vedic times. However since Brahman is truly unknown and nirguna, the human mind can only conjure up objects and the great thing Vedic practice provided is to have any object of worship (cow included). That is why Bharat has many worship murthis, which is confused with "god". The Vedics conjectured (rightly so) that the universe is governed by 3 principles - creation, destruction and preservation (brahma, shiva, vishnu). Around these 3 principles were erected murthis conceived by the human mind. Furthermore they delineated the instigator from the raw power and the Vedics designated Shiva (male, instigator) and Shakti (female, raw power). Most Vedic murthis are consecrated, i.e. the object is said to represent that great hidden power of the Brahman. In South Temples, the murthi's third eye, the dwajastamba and temple kalasha atop the entrance spire are at an angle of 23 degrees, the tilt of earth's spinning axis. This points to the Vishnu nabhi or cosmos center where the nakshatras are clustered. By praying to the murthi you are directly communicating to the power behind the cosmos and that is why Vedics emphasized shraddha (inner belief) rather than blind bhakti. You don't need a middleman to communicate to the Brahman. Temple pujaris are there to get you in the right frame of mind/concentration. There is no coercion. It is up to you to use your own shraddha which is intertwined with universal consciousness.
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Thanks ramana!

A central figure in the propagation of Christianity is Flavia Julia Helena known as Helena of Constantinople or Saint Helena. Sources agree that Helena was a Greek, probably from Asia Minor in modern Turkey. She was a "concubine" and had a relationship with Constantius. The precise legal nature of the relationship between Helena and Constantius is unknown. Helena gave birth to the future emperor Constantine I. Constantius has no relations with Helena and some time before 289, he married Theodora. Constantius was appointed caesar (heir-apparent) of Maximian. Constantius was a pagan.

Constantine I was proclaimed augustus (emperor) in 306 by Constantius' troops after the latter had died. Constantine I appointed his mother Helena as Augusta, and gave her unlimited access. Constantine I lived much of his life as a pagan. He did not follow Christianity. His son Constantine II, raised by grandmother Helena, was raised in Helena's belief, Christianity. Upon death of Constantine I the Catholic Church claimed that Constantine I died as a Christian.

The Nicean council was constituted in 325 AD. The Nicean council did not talk about the physical Jesus but the spiritual Jesus. In AD 326–28 Helena undertook a trip to Palestine. She was responsible for the construction or beautification of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, and the Church of Eleona on the Mount of Olives; sites of Christ's birth and ascension, respectively. A temple to Venus over the supposed site of Jesus' tomb near Calvary existed. Helena ordered the temple to be torn down and lo and behold excavation yielded 3 crosses. The legend states that a woman was near death touched one of the cross and Helena declared the cross with which the woman had been touched to be the True Cross. { how miraculous this all sounds, when up to 325 AD no one ever heard about a person called Jesus Christ}
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Florida 'church of healing' leader, 65, and his three sons are sentenced to up to 12 years in prison for selling bleach as a 'miracle cure' for COVID, HIV and autism

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... utism.html
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'A good butter, unsalted of course because we're not heathens, will ensure it keeps its crisp crunch.' :roll: :roll: :roll:

Have YOU been making beans on toast all wrong? Heinz forced to publish step-by-step guide after Brits bungle classic meal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Brits.html
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Prof Kenneth Humphreys (a British scholar and activist, writer, radio broadcaster, and public speaker) in Sangam Talks says that the more he delved into Jesus he is unable to prove whether such a person actually existed. He wrote a book "Jesus Never Existed" which was published and has been exported to more than thirty countries. A writer with a consuming passion for religion and history, and having devoted much of his life to the careful study of ancient history, Humphreys harbors no doubt: Jesus, the non-existent son of a non-existent father, will soon be consigned to a place among his ancestors Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Moses in the realm of mythology, not history.

95% of Mark's gospel appears in Matthew. For Mark, Jesus was an allegorical character. Incidents in Bible identical to those in Dead Sea Scrolls. The towns recorded by Roman historian Josephus are not there in the Gospels. Christianity took its best ideas from Judaism. John the baptist skull head is kept in Germany, Hungary and Italy. In India, the Santhome church (created by the Portuguese by demolishing a Kabali-eswar temple) believed Saint Thomas visited Chennai but the Vatican Pope declared that no such person visited Chennai, India.

YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmZlckcwMY
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In South Temples, the murthi's third eye, the dwajastamba and temple kalasha atop the entrance spire are at an angle of 23 degrees, the tilt of earth's spinning axis.
Bala saar, I have never seen this in any of the temples I visited in the south. Any examples? Also IIRC the tilt in the earth's axis is not constant over time.
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Cyrano, the main murthi's third eye (i.e. the spot on forehead above the eyes), the top of dwajastamba (which has irridium/rhodium elements) and entrance gopuram's kalasha on top (which has sacred water, water remembers everything) form a straight line at an angle of around 23 degrees. It is not obvious to anyone. You have to imagine this by careful observation. This is part of the consecration of the murthi. You pray in earnest to the murthi as a vehicle for your thoughts/prayers and that is transmitted and remembered to that Brahman at Vishnu Nabi (center of universe). The earth is a spinning top, with respect to nakshatras and the exact tilt degree is computed at time of consecration. The entire thing is well thought out and executed in every south Indian temple.
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Thanks BBala saar, this is not difficult to check, all you need is the height of the goupra kalahsam, the dhwajasthambam, which are accessible even if the sanctum with lingam isn't for most people, and the distance between the three which are almost always aligned on a straight line. Perhaps anyone today with a basic knowledge of trigonometry (tri-koNa-miti) with a goniometer can measure this.

What happens in Vishnava temples ? Most have a moola virat who is in a standing position (balaji for ex) or reclining (Sri Rangoon or any Ranganadha temple).
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