India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[sanman]

Why Is The US Going Out Of The Way For Pannun?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRZa1fSYRU

[vijayk]

What would the scums in Deep state do now? Start communal riots all over with help of Pappu & Co?

[Pratyush]

What happens is 2 or 3 Indian MPs present a private members bill in the Indian parliament. That highlighted the following points.

1) FBI destroyed the evidence provided by Indian side of Mumbai 1993 bomb blasts.

2) David Coleman Headley was responsible for scouting the targets for 26/11 Attackers and has not been handed over to India.

3) Pannu has threatened to blow up Air India jets and instead of arresting him, the USA is letting him continue on his merry ways.

All this is the action of an enemy nation and unless the USA hands Pannu by a certain date. Indian government is ordered to reduce all diplomatic contacts with the USA both bilaterally and multilaterally. Including Quad, IMEC, I2U2, etc.

What would be the outcome of such an excercise?

[Vayutuvan]

Pratyush ji, the answer is ni, nada, nought, cypher, zero, shoonya.

(If I may, could you please stop using double spacing your posts? Thanks.)

[SSridhar]

What would be the outcome of such an excercise?

I agree with Vayutuvan on that part.

First of all, there should be unanimity in political support, which is not there because of opposition’s hatred of Modi.

Secondly, they would use it as a political opportunity to rile Modi & BJP.

These would be especially so after the latest election results.

[chetak]

A gentle reminder for American friends that this is how transfer of power takes place in healthy democracies when the incumbent government loses an election.

Yes, the partisan divide runs deep but we don't mock our institutions.

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[A_Gupta]

Union government:

New Delhi: The central registry on narcotics traffickers maintained by the Union government has not found any records of Nikhil Gupta, who was named by the United States in an indictment before a US court, alleging a plot to assassinate a US citizen involving Indian officials.

The registry, however, threw up five other persons with the same name who are under trial in different states, but not in Gujarat, said officials.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... aign=cppst

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State government:
https://thewire.in/government/pannun-as ... ujarat-dgp

New Delhi: The Gujarat Police has said that none of its documents show any criminal record against Nikhil Gupta (52), the Indian citizen accused by the United States of plotting to assassinate Khalistan separatist Gurpatwant Singh Pannun. Gupta, who is currently in Czechia, is awaiting extradition to the US.

“We have inquired about the person named Nikhil Gupta. Prima facie inquiry did not find any case against him. I have confirmed with all four commissionerates in Gujarat. All DCPs from the city confirmed that they did not know who Nikhil Gupta was,” DGP Vikas Sahay told.

[srin]

I'm beginning to suspect that Pannu and Nikkar are Intel assets or some kind of informers for US and Canada respectively.

[A_Gupta]

Indian journalists with supposedly close ties to India's intelligence community have written that Ajit Doval told the Americans that India knew that Pannun is a CIA asset and so would take no action against him. As to Nijjar, despite being caught in lies twice by the Canadian immigration authorities, he nevertheless got Canadian citizenship - how?; and both him and his son have said that he had extensive contacts with Canadian intelligence. (As a matter of interest, someone who knew nothing about all this, to whom I narrated only the time line of events with respect to Nijjar blurted out that Nijjar must be a Canadian asset!). One explanation as to why the Canadians are so upset could be that they feel that an asset was eliminated under their noses, and they have no clue as to the perpetrators. How many assets will remain assets if they can't be protected by their Intelligence Agency employers?

If there are any indications that Nijjar or Pannun are not intel assets, I would like to know.

[vijayk]

FBI chief is coming to India to put pressure on this ...

[vijayk]

Indian journalists with supposedly close ties to India's intelligence community have written that Ajit Doval told the Americans that India knew that Pannun is a CIA asset and so would take no action against him. As to Nijjar, despite being caught in lies twice by the Canadian immigration authorities, he nevertheless got Canadian citizenship - how?; and both him and his son have said that he had extensive contacts with Canadian intelligence. (As a matter of interest, someone who knew nothing about all this, to whom I narrated only the time line of events with respect to Nijjar blurted out that Nijjar must be a Canadian asset!). One explanation as to why the Canadians are so upset could be that they feel that an asset was eliminated under their noses, and they have no clue as to the perpetrators. How many assets will remain assets if they can't be protected by their Intelligence Agency employers?

If there are any indications that Nijjar or Pannun are not intel assets, I would like to know.

Definitely Nijjar and Pannu were are all activated for Punjab election and disrupt Farm laws ...

[chetak]

FBI chief is coming to India to put pressure on this ...

vijay ji,


huzoor tashreef la rahe hain, very unusual....

normally, for India, the amrikis would send out a burnt out, alcohol sodden has been, whose beer belly would enter the room three seconds before he did

now, we have been truly honoured by the presence of such exalted beings jo tashreef la rahe hain, the FBI chief himself making an arduous trip to the boondocks and outskirts of civilization as they know it

he would made sure to have packed his solar topee and insect repellent... not to mention the crates of tonic water

[krithivas]

The amount of anti-semitic feeling that suddenly encompassing all walks of life in the US is very worrisone. Not allowing a Jewish customer to use the restroom as she complained about anti-semitic graffiti in the restroom?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 2#comments


Note: Sorry I could not find the US-only thread to post.

[Cyrano]

Chetak Ji, aap bhi.....

[vimal]

FBI chief is coming to India to put pressure on this ...

Good time to ask for the extradition of that Headley chap of 26/11 fame

[S_Madhukar]

We should produce a random Paxtani who takes responsibility for these acts and refuse to have him interrogated or extradited. Name could be Mohd Singh Karachiwala pretty sure records can’t be found on any flying lists

[NRao]

FBI chief is coming to India to put pressure on this ...

Via gra moment.

(Do not waste your time watching that video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCW5Y4HDhHg

Christopher Wray, the Director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), will travel to India next week with a team of legal and security experts. This marks the first visit by an FBI Director to India in the last 12 years. Wray will chair a meet with the NIA on issues surrounding Khalistan terrorism and gangster linkage. The visit follows the US FBI's findings on a plot to assassinate a US-based Indian-origin lawyer. India plans to confront Wray with instances of threats made by Gurpatwan Singh Pannun, a US-based lawyer linked with Khalistan militant activities.

Bhai log,

Eric Saheb, an expert in Hindi, has bowed down.

Now it is the turn of Chris to pay respects and bow.

The Islamo-Leftists (as opposed to Neocons) have made blunder after blunder.

व्रे जी को सिखाया जाएगा कि दुनिया कैसे काम करती है

Enjoy your pani puri.

[NRao]

A small clarification.

Wray, IMHO, is neither coming to nor going to India. Wray Saheb, I think, has been called to India.

जी हा |

If I had a say, I would advise Pannun to retire. His shelf life is over.

[KL Dubey]

व्रे

Among the few western or indian names that can be written in one letter. One such indian name is "Jha".

The hindi spelling above is wrong though, since the pronounciation is actually "ray"..so would be written "re", not "vre" in devanagari. Use google translate next time, it actually gets it right

Sample question from NIA babus in discussion with the FBI team: "kya bakwaas karta hai, re?" or "pannu tera saala lagta hai, re?"

[sanman]

US keeps upping the pressure - we need to push back:

[NRao]

FBI chief to visit India next week amid controversy over plot to kill Pannun

Speaking about India-US relations during a panel discussion at the Carnegie ‘Global Technology Summit’ held in New Delhi, Ambassador Eric Garcetti said, “{1}This was the Number 1 country she [US Secretary of Treasury Janet Yellen] went to outside the United States. {2}Four times this year. The {3}Secretary of State [Antony Blinken] just came here for the third time. {4}Secretary of Defence [Lloyd Austin] for the second time. The FBI director is here next week.”

and

The {5}FBI Director’s visit, aimed at strengthening cooperation between the United States and India on a range of law enforcement issues, comes days after {6}US Principal Deputy National Security Adviser (NSA), Jonathan Finer, was in Delhi to meet with Vikram Misri, India’s Deputy National Security Adviser.

Bending backward has a new meaning.

After 5 US majors visit India, the FBI chief makes a 6th visit to "strengthening cooperation between the United States and India on a range of law enforcement issues"!!!!!

A few years ago Indians would have been making the yatra to DC. Bharat has not just pushed back, Bharat has taken control - the media and analysts have yet to catch up. Most analysts are still in the old format.

[NRao]

Very timely.

[chetak]

The amount of anti-semitic feeling that suddenly encompassing all walks of life in the US is very worrisone. Not allowing a Jewish customer to use the restroom as she complained about anti-semitic graffiti in the restroom?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lif ... 2#comments
Note: Sorry I could not find the US-only thread to post.

krithivas ji,

It's the same as the anti-semitic feeling in India, generated by the jihadis and the loony leftists.


After the overthrow of trump, the left has attempted to establish itself as the primary political, academic and cultural arbiter of all things in the ameriki mind space. The uncontrolled migration and the opening up of borders to illegals is but one symptom

the "presidents" of poison ivy league colleges who tried their damnedest to justify jewish genocide at a congressional hearing and got kicked very hard on their commie butts for their duplicity is another symptom of the commie malaise that has cancerously infiltrated these once symbols of excellence


This is what the commies did in the EU, this is also why the britshits allegedly rebelled and voted brexit

India is next in line. It has the food, financial resources and the land to support a very large indigent and entitled jihadi migrant population that will soon be herded into our hinterland under the guise of "refugees", if all goes according to their plans.

Such mass forced migrations have only one single objective....

The genuine stakeholders in all these countries are fighting back and that's why the right wing govts are coming back to power in some cases

It is also why the UCC and NRC bills are being opposed by the global entities who have set EU, amrika and much of africa on fire.

It is being enabled by a cabal, many of whose members are even now being welcomed in India by a foolish govt unable to take a stand against the likes of bill/melinda gates and their poisonous foundations, not to mention the others who eagerly follow in their venomous wake

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/Z_DauletSingh/status/1732 ... 51279?s=20 ---> The problem with the US India relationship is at two levels:

1) US has been behaving like a schizophrenic declining power unable to come to terms with the loss of its global supremacy. India, on the other hand, welcomes a multipolar world with several power centres and a plurality of civilizations.

2) In the subcontinent — the core security area for India — the US does not see eye to eye with India on the central issues that define the regional and security order (ie Pakistan army, terrorism, Bangladesh politics, India’s territorial integrity, India’s domestic politics etc.).

For how long can both sides keep milking the China threat to elide over such fundamental areas of divergence?

[NRao]

More related to US/Canada.

[NRao]

https://x.com/Z_DauletSingh/status/1732 ... 51279?s=20 ---> The problem with the US India relationship is at two levels:

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https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu ... 5591458056

The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, defense secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins and sons to fight Russia.” Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids.

Granted this is unrelated to "India". The point is which "US" is Daulet Singh referring to?

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Having said that, this stand taken by SecDef from an Indian PoV is concerning. It leans towards a group that the SecDef has previously not leaned towards openly.

Also, if that was a classified briefing session, ................................... Enough said. Daulet Singh PhD has no standing.

[mappunni]

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[A_Gupta]

^^^^X has reader-added context:

Context:

"...Austin warned Congress Tuesday that if lawmakers fail to pass more aid to Ukraine that it "very likely" will lead to U.S. troops on the ground in Europe defending NATO allies in other countries Russia may target next."

https://themessenger.com/politics/austi ... -in-europe

[Manish_P]

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https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/statu ... 5591458056

The Biden administration is openly threatening Americans over Ukraine. In a classified briefing in the House yesterday, defense secretary Lloyd Austin informed members that if they don’t appropriate more money for Zelensky, “we’ll send your uncles, cousins and sons to fight Russia.” Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids.

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Vivek R better keep looking over his shoulder. The Neocons, Deep state won't risk hitting a white ex-President... but a brown, non-christian, upstart is a fair game. One thing going for him is that unlike Rishi S, he hasn't associated himself closely with PM Modi. So far..

[drnayar]

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Vivek R better keep looking over his shoulder. The Neocons, Deep state won't risk hitting a white ex-President... but a brown, non-christian, upstart is a fair game. One thing going for him is that unlike Rishi S, he hasn't associated himself closely with PM Modi. So far..

wow..just wow..the neocons [ ex Ukrainian and the neo-oligarchs] are running the show

[sanman]

I worry that the whole reason US is suddenly antagonizing India over Khalistan is because the NeoCons & Deep State feel antagonized by Vivek Ramaswamy, who is battering them in an increasingly direct way. The NeoCons in particular are the kind of stuntsmen who'll resort to these dirty tricks in their desperation to prevail.

[drnayar]

I worry that the whole reason US is suddenly antagonizing India over Khalistan is because the NeoCons & Deep State feel antagonized by Vivek Ramaswamy, who is battering them in an increasingly direct way. The NeoCons in particular are the kind of stuntsmen who'll resort to these dirty tricks in their desperation to prevail.

Interestingly it will be the internet that finally becomes the Achilles heel of the "greatest superpower the world has ever seen" ..like it or not. a thousand lies may not equal the truth ..AI brings in a very particular angle to the mix in the way narratives are shaped.

[sanman]

Interestingly it will be the internet that finally becomes the Achilles heel of the "greatest superpower the world has ever seen" ..like it or not. a thousand lies may not equal the truth ..AI brings in a very particular angle to the mix in the way narratives are shaped.

These same NeoCons had made sure to embed themselves in the Bush-Cheney whitehouse, surrounding them like a coterie. Victoria Nuland was Cheney's NSA. These NeoCons were the ones who convinced Bush to prematurely abandon the fight against Taliban by declaring "mission accomplished", and then invading Iraq on obviously fake allegations of WMD. That Iraq invasion was meant to knock down a powerful Arab regime which could challenge Israel.

Now once again, with Biden coming to power, Nuland was made Undersecretary of State, and these NeoCons were again rushing to pull out of Afghanistan, because they were rushing to creating a new war with Russia over Ukraine. And why were NeoCons so interested in war with Russia? Because Russia had thwarted their designs on Syria, and their hopes to use Syria as a springboard toward a showdown with Iran (Israel's biggest and most implacable enemy). And also there was a desire to cut EU's ambitions down to size too, by making Europe vulnerable to a war on its doorstep, so that US could exert control over them thru NATO. That's all happened.

[Rakesh]

Granted this is unrelated to "India". The point is which "US" is Daulet Singh referring to?

The internal politics of the US has zero bearing on India. This is a pointless question.

The very idea that India has to figure which avatar of the US it is dealing with from one day to the next, clearly proves that the US is indeed an unreliable partner.

Having said that, this stand taken by SecDef from an Indian PoV is concerning. It leans towards a group that the SecDef has previously not leaned towards openly.

Also, if that was a classified briefing session, ................................... Enough said. Daulet Singh PhD has no standing.

So we are back to cryptic nonsense again?

What you think about Daulet Singh is irrelevant. Cope.

[sanman]

The internal politics of the US has zero bearing on India. This is a pointless question.

The very idea that India has to figure which avatar of the US it is dealing with from one day to the next, clearly proves that the US is indeed an unreliable partner.

The US has multiple centres of power. These multiple factions are all jockeying with each other to see who comes out on top. Whoever does manage to come out on top, even if temporarily - they become the "face of America", or at least its policy establishment. There is the Deep State that links up with factions to pursue its own interests.

[Rakesh]

The US has multiple centres of power. These multiple factions are all jockeying with each other to see who comes out on top. Whoever does manage to come out on top, even if temporarily - they become the "face of America", or at least its policy establishment. There is the Deep State that links up with factions to pursue its own interests.

That is true of all countries, but the Govt of the day sets the tone for relations with other countries. Nations cannot base their relations on what the outlook/opinion is from multiple factions within a country. You can never have a productive relationship based on this premise. It will be a disaster.

The problem with the US is that each Administration is starkly different from the previous one. It is challenging enough to transition from the Bush Doctrine to the Obama doctrine to the Trump Doctrine and now to the Biden Doctrine. Now we are expected to bend over for the flavour of the month.

[Pratyush]

Abhijit Iyer Mitra had this theory, that he spoke off.

That the US has multiple splits within it's structure. Politically they're split Dow the middle between Democrats and republicans.

However, within the government and especially within the States Department, there is a horizontal split between the older more pragmatic types, and the younger more woke types.

Going forward, as the older and more pragmatic types retire from service and these woke types start reaching upper echelons of power. The USA is going to be under full control of these woke types. They're going to be extremely problematic to deal with.

In this context, this vlog from Dr. Muktader Khan is quite enlightening. Where he is asking why the USA is antagonising India over this clown Pannu.

US needs to go after Khalistanis and not India

[youtube]https://youtu.be/btzuM_FlpA8?si=R8Vuv-xmGCKGYnZc[/youtube]

Published on Dec 08, 2023.

[NRao]

Abhijit Iyer Mitra had this theory, that he spoke off.

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Published on Dec 08, 2023.

There is more to this that AIM did not capture (as far as I know). The Biden Admin's Anti-Semetic script is being written by ......................... drum roll ............... CAIR. Ji hai. This is similar to Muslims/Leftists writing Indian history during the Nehru era.

Rakesh, I will get back to your post sometime l8r.

[NRao]

I think with the US veto (rightly so IMO) in the UNSC the India-Israel-"US" link has been established.

More l8r.

[A_Gupta]

To that point:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... sm/676243/
Why These Progressives Stopped Helping Biden
Biden’s support for Israel is straining his coalition.

Many progressives are protesting the administration’s support for Israel’s military offensive in Gaza, which began after Hamas’s massacre of more than 1,200 Israelis and has left more than 16,000 dead, according to Gaza’s Hamas-controlled health ministry. On perhaps no other issue is the gap between Democratic leaders and young progressives wider than on the Israel-Palestine conflict. “It’s just a reality that the Middle East crisis is a superseding priority for many activists and takes oxygen out of the room on other issues the White House needs to break through on,” Adam Green, a co-founder of the Progressive Change Institute, told me. “We’ve let that be known.”