India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Pratyush]

I find it amusing when these progressives are trying to influence the US foreign policy by opposing Biden's Israel policy.

Have they actually thought, what happens to them when republicans return to power.

[NRao]

I find it amusing when these progressives are trying to influence the US foreign policy by opposing Biden's Israel policy.

Have they actually thought, what happens to them when republicans return to power.

Nothing will happen. Qatar will fund MIT, Harvard, and Penn, and life will continue as it has been.

Republicans, in the current environment, are no different than the Dems. After all Victoria Nuland and her Kagan in-laws survived through Republicans and Dems!! Result = Ukraine. And, to think of it, Donald Kagan, Nuland's Father-in-law is dead and gone!! Brezenski is dead and gone. Granted Kissinger died a few days ago. (These are the guys that treated the world as a chessboard and acted.)

If we want to solve this problem, we must get rid of Al Thanni, the Sheik of Qatar. Close Al Zajeera for all times. Qatar is THE problem. Finish them off.

BTW, I think Modi and Netanyahu have a plan. Not as dramatic as my last sentence. Yet enough to defang Al Thanni. The US, in its current condition, is irrelevant.

[A_Gupta]

I find it amusing when these progressives are trying to influence the US foreign policy by opposing Biden's Israel policy.

Have they actually thought, what happens to them when republicans return to power.

In 2015-16, in the aftermath of the bitter nomination fight between a centrist Hillary Clinton and an extremely progressive Bernie Sanders, enough progressives ("Bernie bros") deserted the Democratic Party ticket to enable Trump to come to power. (To be clear, it did not take a whole lot of them.)

Americans are stuck in their tribal-political-positions and ideology. Instead of using ideology as a guide to what their goals might be, they use ideology as the lens through which to see what is. The "asatomasatgamaya" is exceptionally apt for them, they need it.

[Vayutuvan]

That is true of all countries, but the Govt of the day sets the tone for relations with other countries. Nations cannot base their relations on what the outlook/opinion is from multiple factions within a country.

The problem, IMHO, is that Biden is weak and is not in control of SDOTUS. VP Harris has mouth but has gober for brains.

[Rakesh]

The problem, IMHO, is that Biden is weak and is not in control of SDOTUS. VP Harris has mouth but has gober for brains.

I am not denying any of the ills that are plaguing the current government in the US. Fortunate or unfortunate, that is an internal issue that only they can address and resolve. But at the international level, what the GOTUS conveys to another country is to be taken at face value.

[NRao]

If you need some comic relief in your life:

[g.sarkar]

https://sundayguardianlive.com/top-five ... ia-us-ties
Sino-Wahhabi lobby again fails to derail India-US ties
Madhav Nalapat, December 10, 2023
NEW DELHI
Since 2017, there have been a succession of intense efforts, which by now have become almost desperate, by the Sino-Wahhabi lobby aimed at derailing the strengthening trajectory of India-US ties under Prime Minister Modi and Presidents Trump and Biden. Given the hold that the lobby has within the Democratic Party, it has to be said to the credit of US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas in particular that their commitment to a strong India-US partnership has helped the White House to resist pressure to bite into the poison pill of going the Justin Trudeau way. The Canadian PM, for undisclosed reasons, transparently sought to divert public attention and anger within the G7 from the PRC to the world’s most populous country and democracy, India, which under Prime Minister Narendra Modi has emerged as a key partner of the G7.
That the Sino-Wahhabi lobby is thankless for past favours is clear from its recent criticism of Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who had for decades been close to several members of the lobby. The cause is his support for backing Israel in its battle against the military wing of Hamas. The reality is that failure by the IDF to eliminate the military wing of Hamas during the current campaign would ensure its metastising in different forms into the entire Middle East, endangering the rulers of even staunch backers of Hamas such as Qatar. While much more attention needs to be given to protecting civilians in all Palestinian territories from becoming collateral damage, the imperative of eliminating the military wing of Hamas as a lesson to other present and potential terror groups is evident. Such an outcome is what the Sino-Wahhabi lobby seeks to avert, so as to destabilise the region to its advantage.
The lobby is mainly composed of ethnic elements linked to GHQ Rawalpindi and the diminishing number of business tycoons who have for decades put personal financial gain above the national interests of the US. Efforts have been incessant to have a resolution brought forward in the US Congress against India, and it is in this context that the incomprehensible step of elements in the Biden administration seeking immunity for a known facilitator of terrorists, G.S. Pannun, was taken. During the Nijjar-Trudeau episode, there were reports that it was from the US that Trudeau was conveniently provided (false) evidence that the Government of India was behind the gangland killing of a drug lord. The drug lord, H.S. Nijjar, in exchange for illicit profits openly participated in the facilitation of GHQ-inspired terror groups. The drip-drip of accusations against India by unnamed sources within the Biden administration was intended to ensure that a senior administration official, if not President Biden or Secretary of State Blinken, would testify before the US Congress that officials in India were seeking to assassinate Pannun in the way they were alleged by Trudeau in the Canadian parliament to have knocked off Nijjar.
In the event that such a malicious charge would be aired in so august a forum, facts about Pannun were compiled (and privately shared with the US side) that would expose the Washington Beltway’s double talk about fighting terror while protecting some of the most toxic of them. In the event, much to the disappointment of Moscow, Rawalpindi, Ankara and Beijing, President Biden refused to take a hammer to US-India ties by replicating the error committed by the Prime Minister of Canada. Sadly, under Trudeau a country that was once an exemplar of success has been awash in narcotics and gangs on a scale never before seen. Trudeau sought to damage if not destroy the relationship between India and Canada that have been partners since the 1950s.
.......
Gautam

[vijayk]

[disha]

US Prez declined invitation to India Jan 26 Republic day. Also the quad summit is cancelled.

Optically, this is a huge win for the Sino-US lobby and a win for the US-SD Nuland BIFs.

In reality, the issues could be:

1. Biden's frail health
2. Ukraine funding setbacks in US Congress
3. Flailing US Economy
4. Israel-Hamas conflict
5. Obama-Clintonite (Nuland is the front like Robin Rapael) clique winning this game

And on top of it, #AntiHindu Democrats and pliant #mediapimps in WaPo are piquing the people-to-people relations with India by fanning BIF.

[vijayk]

https://twitter.com/suryakane/status/17 ... 8052091283

Surya Kanegaonkar @suryakane
The US government’s Global Engagement Center (GEC) officially partners with private media outlets - including WaPo, NYT and Soros-funded “fact checkers” - to “counter disinformation.” The stated objective of the GEC: “To direct, lead, synchronize, integrate, and coordinate U.S. Federal Government efforts to recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining or influencing the policies, security, or stability of the United States, its allies, and partner nations.” This makes WaPo a state mouthpiece.

@Heritage
’s online magazine, Daily Signal, reported this in detail with supporting evidence.
https://dailysignal.com/2023/05/25/stat ... eveal/amp/

America First Legal filed a case against the US State Department in which they exposed “how the GEC carries out state propaganda through willing participants from private organizations.”
https://aflegal.org/america-first-legal ... ropaganda/

Meanwhile, @theintercept carried an ostensibly fake document purportedly claiming that Indian authorities were going to take “concrete” actions against West-based terrorists. Why is it fake? 1) No GOI document goes without a number and date. 2) Communication on such issues would not be done through a letter from the Foreign Secretary 3) Words like “organization,” “mobilized” and “favorable” are clearly American English. 4) The litany of grammatical errors don’t fit the training of IFS personnel (https://x.com/seemasirohi/status/173440 ... AzMCud8UCA). The question then arises - who wrote and planted this document?

On Nov 21, The Intercept published an article stating, “leaked Pakistani intelligence backs up Canada’s claim of an Indian assassination program” (https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/ind ... -pakistan/). The article goes on to insinuate that amongst India’s targets was Ripudaman Singh Malik, a co-conspirator in Kanishka case. Malik had been in talks with the Indian government as part of the BJP’s effort to reconcile with elements in the Canadian Sikh diaspora. He had been allowed to travel to India and had openly praised the country’s leadership. It is reported that Indian authorities believe the talks were sabotaged by Ottawa (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry- ... 1fcc7/amp/) given the Canadian government had barred the entry of a UK-based Sikh interlocutor into Canada (https://hindustantimes.com/india-news/c ... N2oGM.html). A few years later, Malik was assassinated in Canada. Indian authorities were convinced of Nijjar’s involvement (https://indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/s ... 2022-07-15). Nijjar underwent firearms training in Pakistan, the same Pakistan whose “secret documents” are cited as “proof” by The Intercept.

These media groups and others made a concerted effort to use the term “activist” for those who took down civilian airliners, threaten to execute diplomats, get trained by the Pakistan’s ISI to carry out terror attacks. The Intercept’s latest report which uses fake documents cites a Soros Equality Fellow. It also cites Panth Punjab, a Khalistani media mouthpiece. which enlists the founder of Polis Project, a “non-profit” media platform that advocates for secessionist groups and convicted Maoists. (https://thepolisproject.com). This individual writes for WaPo, Time and the Caravan. Panth Punjab has also been active in the “farmer’s protest.” (https://panthpunjab.org/contributors).

One would ask what has changed since the 1960s and 70s. Then, Jagjit Singh Chohan was one of the first to work with the ISI to promote Khalistani secessionism. He took shelter in Western countries and his secessionist appeal was first published by NYT. Same game, new century?

[drnayar]

US Prez declined invitation to India Jan 26 Republic day. Also the quad summit is cancelled.

Optically, this is a huge win for the Sino-US lobby and a win for the US-SD Nuland BIFs.

In reality, the issues could be:

1. Biden's frail health

plain and simple; pl correct if i am wrong, the invite does need to keep standing for a certain time ?

[A_Gupta]

A number of factors are believed to be behind the US administration’s decision not to take up the Republic Day invitation, including Biden’s focus on his re-election bid in the face of a resurgent campaign by former president Donald Trump, the State of the Union address expected in late January or early February, and a string of geopolitical crises, especially the Israel-Hamas conflict.

While the leaders of Australia and Japan have pressing domestic engagements in late January, both countries had agreed to join a proposed Quad Summit on January 27, provided Biden went ahead with his visit to New Delhi, the people said.
A Quad Summit over the weekend following Republic Day was being considered because Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese will be busy with Australia Day on January 26, while his Japanese counterpart Fumio Kishida will be tied up with a session of the Diet or Japan’s Parliament. The Diet session is expected to begin on either January 15 or January 22, and the convention is that the premier cannot be absent during proceedings.

Australia and Japan had shown flexibility about the holding of the Quad Summit in January because both India and the US are set to go into general elections, which will sharply reduce the window for such a meeting.....

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 18002.html

Also, India has not yet given an official invite, per the Hindustan Times:

While there has been no official word from the Indian government on Biden being invited to be chief guest at the Republic Day celebrations on January 26, US ambassador Eric Garcetti told reporters in September that an invitation had been extended to President Biden by Prime Minister Narendra Modi when the two leaders held a bilateral meeting on the margins of the G20 Summit.

[Jay]

US Prez declined invitation to India Jan 26 Republic day. Also the quad summit is cancelled.

Optically, this is a huge win for the Sino-US lobby and a win for the US-SD Nuland BIFs.

In reality, the issues could be:

1. Biden's frail health

plain and simple; pl correct if i am wrong, the invite does need to keep standing for a certain time ?

It’s his waning election numbers and this little side drama within the “Pannum assassination” saga that might be playing spoil sport. Even if Biden somehow comes back, he will have to visit India before his lame duck term ends.

[disha]

plain and simple; pl correct if i am wrong, the invite does need to keep standing for a certain time ?

Actually only Pres. Murmu, as supreme commander of armed forces, has to take salute during march past of the armed forces. All are guests to the republic day and they are seated.

India should have Xi as part of the republic day celebrations and have Agni III march past him. That will send shivers down his Jong.

[Cyrano]

good one but Chee has well and truly burned his bridges with NaMo and India.

And the US knows this, hence trying to take advantage of India in its usual hamfisted way.

If Biden doesn't come on R Day, no loss. We should invite Putin instead

[vijayk]

[A_Gupta]

This Indian commission of investigation into the Pannun affair should request access to Nikhil Gupta who is in FBI custody. When the Americans deny it, this entire matter can be thrown in the dustbin.

[chetak]

good one but Chee has well and truly burned his bridges with NaMo and India.

And the US knows this, hence trying to take advantage of India in its usual hamfisted way.

If Biden doesn't come on R Day, no loss. We should invite Putin instead

Cyrano ji,


There is always a backup(s) to avoid just this sort of an eventuality


SOP because no head of state or government will be available at such short notice


Moreover, it may also be that the invitation was not followed up by both sides because the POTUS may not have been really that keen to visit India, given all that has gone on in terms of the khalistanis, the accusations by US and kaneda, and the fast deteriorating situations in UKR, as well as, israel

[Cyrano]

My thoughts exactly Chetak saar, there have been several interactions this year with POTUS & Gang at multiple levels, in India, in US, elsewhere. Lot of initiatives have started in various domains. These need to progress concretely on both sides then we can reconvene and assess outcomes, and this needs time. We know NaMo is a hard task master and insists on delivery of outcomes - the US system may not be used this pace of working and getting driven by the strategic partner that IT intends to drive.

Elections fever in many countries in 2024. The whole thali cannot be cooked instantly and need not be eaten in one meal - else indigestion happens. Sometimes slow roasted dishes taste better.

[disha]

And the US knows this, hence trying to take advantage of India in its usual hamfisted way.

Moreover, it may also be that the invitation was not followed up by both sides because the POTUS may not have been really that keen to visit India, given all that has gone on in terms of the khalistanis, the accusations by US and kaneda, and the fast deteriorating situations in UKR, as well as, israel

Cyrano'ji and Chetak'ji,

All such invitations are kept private (and secret) until accepted. No state leader would want to be seen as a "second fiddle".

By refusing the invitation, Biden and US SD has put Modi Govt and India in a piquant position. Also the quad meeting stands cancelled. Even if India invites Putin or Xi or Bhutan's King, they know that since Biden refused the invitation, they are being invited.

It may be that Biden may not even able to handle the long journey. And Biden might even have forgotten who he is. Either way, the most gracious thing to do from their side was to send US VP Kamala Harris and just put out a story that Biden has to take care of US Congress (some or other bill). They cannot even discuss Biden's health, since that will put another dent in his already plummeting numbers.

In India, the opposition will make a major noise of Biden not coming to India. Again this is the diplomatic scale of US denying visa to Modi.

So how come this situation arise?

The invitation to Biden was leaked to press by US Ambassador to India GarShitty.

As I say, there are wheels within wheels within wheels in US SD, Biden needs the likes of GarShitty to get election funding from Hollywoodwallahs, two make sure that the Gavin Newsom camp is contained (remember he is Gov. of California and waiting in wings to be Democrat candidate for US Prez in case Biden cannot run) and three the US SD in spite of all its efforts (Adani-hindenberg, Nijjar and Pannun etc) has not been able to dent the credibility of Modi and GOI. On top of it, US Border stands open and the war in Ukraine is going nowhere and there is impatience in US Congress on funding and the people are tired of economy going in dumps (yes the rate cuts by fed are timed for elections) and endless spending behind a war they do not understand (nor the likes of Nikki or Chris Christie!)

It is just interesting in a way that the local politics is impacting Indo-US relations in a big way, while US SD is like the ear-infected bitch in heat going hither and tither to gain leverage over Modi and India!

[Vayutuvan]

Moreover, it may also be that the invitation was not followed up by both sides because the POTUS may not have been really that keen to visit India, given all that has gone on in terms of the khalistanis, the accusations by US and kaneda, and the fast deteriorating situations in UKR, as well as, israel

Add Hunter Biden's indictments and starting the impeachment inquiry by the House to the list

[A_Gupta]

The US economy is actually doing very well. A major economy having a 5% GDP growth rate even for a quarter is rather unusual. Unemployment is at a historic low, etc. The one down side was that blip in inflation.

"If this is a bad economy, please tell me what a good economy would look like".
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/if-this-i ... lease-tell

But the force of mis/dis-information is strong in the US.

[disha]

The US economy is actually doing very well. A major economy having a 5% GDP growth rate even for a quarter is rather unusual. Unemployment is at a historic low, etc. The one down side was that blip in inflation.

That downside "blip in inflation" is called Stagflation. Stagnant growth and growing inflation. Yes, the growth is coming topline, that is big corporates are minting money hand over fist but the inflation adjusted wages of labour is actually going down.

Remember India shining between 2008 and 2014? US is in 2008 equivalent of Indian economy. [/quote]

But the force of mis/dis-information is strong in the US.

Same goes for all the above blogs. Please take it with a pinch of salt. Lived in experience is always different from a tourist experience. The bloggers details the later.

[vimal]

Massive corporate restructuring and layoffs are the norm in USA under Biden. Long gone are the days of stock pumps and crazy hiring under Trump era. The numbers are just that numbers, no meaningful wage growth just corporates minting money.

[bala]

Usa Nervous About 2024 Modi Win. Modi Shows USA Its Place.

Ankit Shah on Jaipur Dialogues


Some factions of the Deep State are kind of uncomfortable with India's rise. Many spanners are being thrown at India to make things difficult. Pannu/Chunnu is a total distraction. Some interesting facts on the economic front. India is pushing rupee trade with many nations. Russia is asking Indian companies to take charge of the western companies infrastructure who left Russia due to Ukr war. Citibank is targeting Japan Yen prop up, since Japan will be buying some US treasuries. The US has announced interest rate cuts next year, could be due to US elections. However Euro hasn't considered interest cut.

Indian economy is on the rise and no one can stop it. China's real estate is going to be hammered some more next year. More investment is headed into India. UAE is investing in J&K. India is going to be a global hub for goods and services that the world needs.

[krithivas]

Aunty Pramila is very upset! Especially after her disastrous CNN interview.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 031689.cms

[krithivas]

Aunty Pramila is very upset! Especially after her disastrous CNN interview.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 031689.cms

[sanjaykumar]

Times of India is another imbecilic site with numerous pop-ups.

I make it a point to exit quickly.

[vera_k]

For all its faults, ToI has more on this matter.

Accosted by US agents, interrogated for 3 hours, forced to eat beef', says Nikhil Gupta, man accused by US of plotting to kill Khalistani terrorist Gurpatwant Singh Pannun

I’m a bizman, not someone tasked to hire assassin, Indian held in Czechia tells SC

SC agrees to hear plea of Indian arrested in Prague in Sikh separatist Pannun's assassination plot

The latest from the US PIO lawmakers seems to be an effort to head off any legal assistance that the GoI may be required to provide.

[A_Gupta]

...but the inflation adjusted wages of labour is actually going down.

Not per the numbers published by the US Federal Reserve, but no point in arguing about it. The political/information universe reality is that the US economy is not doing well, while the actual truth is different and irrelevant, because the actual truth never determines public affairs. But to quote a popular article, "In 2023, the median American worker can afford the same goods and services they did in 2019 — and still would have $1,000 left."

Why I came here to post is that I see an interesting pattern. The workers on the BAPS temple in New Jersey supposedly made claims of caste discrimination to the US authorities, and a case was brought against the BAPS temple. Back in India some workers filed a petition with the Rajasthan Court that they had been coerced into making statements in the US. Then later, the case in the US died.

Here Nikhil Gupta brought his case to the Indian Supreme Court, claiming coercion - just like the Indian workers, even though in both instances the case is outside the jurisdiction of the Indian court.

So these out-of-the-court-jurisdiction appeals seem to be the means to bring to public attention facts which the US/Czech court are not allowing to be heard - which says something about the politics behind these cases.

What happens next will be interesting.

[A_Gupta]

https://thewire.in/world/nikhil-gupta-p ... -documents
"'Nick', a Money Courier and a Hitman: What New Documents Say About The Pannun Murder Plot"

The habeas corpus petition, submitted to the Supreme Court by Nikhil Gupta’s family, urging the Indian government’s active involvement in securing his return, not only addresses the allegations regarding his treatment in detention but also reveals additional details about the investigation by US agencies.

....
The writ petition has attached the sealed June 13 indictment by the US Southern District of New York grand jury of Nikhil Gupta. It also includes the extradition request presented by the US Department of Justice in August to the Czech government, which includes supporting affidavits from the Assistant US Attorney at Southern District of New York, Ashley C. Nicolas and DEA special agent Mark J. Franks. These provides further insights into the case being weaved against Gupta by law enforcement agencies, as outlined in the 15-page indictment made public last month.

The DEA special agent Mark Frank’s affidavit said that their confidential informant had developed a relationship with an Indian calling himself ‘Nick’ from 2016. He claimed that ‘Nick’ was identified as Nikhil Gupta on the basis of phone records and reports of other law enforcement agencies.

Over the next seven years, Gupta and the ‘Confidential Informant’ (referred to as CS in the indictment) discussed several narcotics and weapon trafficking deals, but nothing came to fruition, as per both the affidavits of the US officials.

According to Nicolas, while the Confidential Informant believed that Gupta was a drug and weapons trafficker, the latter thought that his old acquaintance was a Colombian cocaine supplier.

Incidentally, the physical handover of money is key to the case. Special Agent Marks described Gupta’s identification as being linked to the phone number that was used to communicate with the person who arranged the $15000 payment to the ‘hitman’.

He also identified Gupta based on two photographs taken at the border when the Indian travelled to US in 2016 and 2017. “I compared both photographs of — to recordings of video calls between the Confidential Informant and the Undercover Agent and the person who paid to have the Intended Victim murdered via the Phone Number, and determined that (Redacted)’s photographs match the person depicted in the video calls who paid to have the Intended Victim murdered,” the DEA special agent said.

The writ petition did not deal with the specific details of the two indictments, as Gupta gave a blanket dismissal stating that that the allegations were made against a ‘Nick’, an alias which {he} has never used.

Another inconsistency arises between the US documents and the applications filed by Gupta’s family about the passport number. The US agents have listed a passport for Gupta that was apparently issued in March this year. But, that is different from the number provided by Gupta’s son and daughter in their communication requesting help to the MEA.

From elsewhere:

In a habeas corpus petition filed in the Supreme Court, Gupta’s family said he is “aggrieved by the blatant negligence and omission” by the Indian Embassy officials to handle his case with “due care and caution”.

[vijayk]

Both Victoria Nuland & Anthony Blinken met their paid puppet COAS Gen Asim Munir.

2024 will get bloodier like I said two years ago

[drnayar]

Both Victoria Nuland & Anthony Blinken met their paid puppet COAS Gen Asim Munir.

2024 will get bloodier like I said two years ago

Zelensky of pakistan

[Aditya_V]

this worries, it looks like some Mischief by the Pakis is being encouraged, whatever it is I hope it fails miserably.

[Cyrano]

No shivering. Just the kind of opportunity Bharat is waiting for may present itself...

[A_Gupta]

The dogs are barking louder and louder: (posting without the link)

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), an independent federal government commission, said “recent efforts by the Indian government to silence activists, journalists, and lawyers abroad pose a serious threat to religious freedom.”

“USCIRF implores the US Department of State to designate India a Country of Particular Concern due to India’s systematic, ongoing, and egregious violations of freedom of religion or belief,” it said in a statement.

[hgupta]

The dogs are barking louder and louder: (posting without the link)

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), an independent federal government commission, said “recent efforts by the Indian government to silence activists, journalists, and lawyers abroad pose a serious threat to religious freedom.”

“USCIRF implores the US Department of State to designate India a Country of Particular Concern due to India’s systematic, ongoing, and egregious violations of freedom of religion or belief,” it said in a statement.

Has it designated Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Malaysia as Countries of Particular concerns for their atrocities against minorities especially the Hindus? If not, then they can very well eat dirt and pound sand.

[A_Gupta]

How easy or difficult is it to get a passport in India based on a stolen identity? Stolen identity plus passport or forged passport can explain many of the facts re: Nick and Nikhil Gupta (I assume Mr X would not dare lie in a petition to the Supreme Court of India). This includes that the US has a passport issued in March and different from the one mentioned by Nikhil Gupta’s children).

[krithivas]

All the noises American establishment is making against Modi Government will only strengthen Modi’s welcome chances of storming back 2024!

[vera_k]

How easy or difficult is it to get a passport in India based on a stolen identity?

One would think its very difficult, but then Nijjar entered Canada on a fake passport and eventually obtained Canadian citizenship.
Perhaps its not uncommon in some states, or maybe the Pakistanis are running a fake Indian papers racket now?

26 years before he was shot, Hardeep Singh Nijjar landed in Canada with fake papers