Road to the 2024 Elections in India-1

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 11 Dec 2023 20:42

Balaknath confirmed?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 Dec 2023 20:43

Not yet, no announcement and only Modi ji knows who it will be

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Dec 2023 22:43

congis reject the SC verdict

We the people of India disrespectfully disagree with chidambaram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxlGCUP3K-0

'I respectfully disagree with SC Verdict on abrogation of Article 370': p chidambaram

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 11 Dec 2023 22:47

Yagnasri wrote: ↑11 Dec 2023 13:54 So, he is indirectly saying that SC was wrong. But I can not say that publicly. I do not want to spoil sport, but the fact that SC heard this matter is disturbing. They should have rejected the admission.

I have a different opinion. I watched many of the court proceedings of this case, and I felt that the constitutional bench delved deep into the issues and gave a thorough "undressing" to Sibal et al. Peeled off every layer of fake arguments. Now all this is written down in the judgement.

This is important since it will serve as a thorough legal precedent for many future disputes/claims that may arise regarding the sovereignty of Bharat and the powers of the president. Tomorrow if a similar situation becomes emergent regarding say, POK, GB, Nepal, Bhutan, parts of Paastan that want to join Bharat,etc.... there will no dearth of anti-nationals who will try going to court immediately. And many other types of such disputes will also draw precedents from this judgement.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 11 Dec 2023 23:21

I agree with KL Dubey ji.
A written and codified response is better for future reference.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 11 Dec 2023 23:22

The government has already begun discussing ways to pass on the benefits of softening global crude prices to consumers before the 2024 Lok Sabha elections.

In contrast to peak losses of ₹17 per litre on petrol and ₹35 per litre on diesel in 2022, OMCs are now making a profit of ₹8-10 per litre on petrol and ₹3-4 per litre on diesel.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Dec 2023 05:05

The legal position is almost clear from the start. The useless arguments are political arguments popped up by BIF, and it will never care for any legal precedence set by the SC in this case.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 12 Dec 2023 06:32

Deans wrote: ↑09 Dec 2023 12:03
The NDA got 251 seats with a lead of over 10% in vote share (typically over 100,000 votes).
This 251 includes 18 seats by Shiv Sena in Mah and 6 by the LJP in Bihar. I assume they will be part of NDA in 2024.
It excludes 10 seats won by JDU (over 10% margin) and 2 by Akalis, since they are not part of the NDA.

251 seats should be the lower limit of what NDA can expect, unless they get their alliance arithmetic completely wrong, in which case they can potentially lose 42 seats between Mah, Bihar and Punjab (assuming their NDA partners votes got transferred to BJP in 2019 and there will be no
transfer in 2024. This (209) is a worst case scenario.

I think Bihar and MH might the BJP's biggest headaches out of their relatively safe states because they had absolutely swept both of them in 2019 (with allies). Before the recent assembly elections a lot was being made about what it might mean for 2024 if the BJP loses MP/RJ/CG. But I don't think the BJP really had any vulnerability there even if they had lost all 3 like they did in 2018 because we have repeatedly seen voters vote differently in state and LS elections and Modi's popularity as PM in these areas remains strong.

But in Bihar and MH they face different issues. Correct me if I'm wrong but the BJP has never won an election against the RJD-JDU combine. In 2014 they fought separately and in 2015 when they fought together, the BJP lost. While that seemingly unbeatable caste arithmetic may matter less in LS elections than in state elections, it still matters and it will be a challenge in 2024 no doubt.

In MH on the other hand the problem is that the political situation is too chaotic for anyone to predict what can or will happen. There are essentially 2 Shiv Senas and 2 NCP's at the moment. No one knows what the alliances will look like in 2024 and how the seats may be shared. The voters themselves might get confused about who exactly they are voting for in their constituency.

The two states combined have 88 seats which is significant chunk and the NDA won 80 last time around.

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 12 Dec 2023 08:56

In MH on the other hand the problem is that the political situation is too chaotic for anyone to predict what can or will happen. There are essentially 2 Shiv Senas and 2 NCP's at the moment. No one knows what the alliances will look like in 2024 and how the seats may be shared. The voters themselves might get confused about who exactly they are voting for in their constituency.

The two states combined have 88 seats which is significant chunk and the NDA won 80 last time around.

Sir, I can't speak for other states.

In Lok Sabha elections, Maharashtrians will vote for whoever is in alliance with Modi in their respective areas. The voters are more nationalist and less caste-based when it comes to Lok Sabha. I am not worried about performance of NDA in Maharashtra.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 12 Dec 2023 09:31

Pappu was supposed to visit Vietnam,malaysia,sinapore, Indonesia after Dec 6. He ccancelled it. Looks like Xi was also supposed to be in Vietnam too.

srin · Post by **srin** » 12 Dec 2023 10:24

You'd think the opposition wouldn't think self goals like this.. do they think they will gain votes with this ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Dec 2023 10:41

nachiket wrote: ↑12 Dec 2023 06:32
Deans wrote: ↑09 Dec 2023 12:03
The NDA got 251 seats with a lead of over 10% in vote share (typically over 100,000 votes).
This 251 includes 18 seats by Shiv Sena in Mah and 6 by the LJP in Bihar. I assume they will be part of NDA in 2024.
It excludes 10 seats won by JDU (over 10% margin) and 2 by Akalis, since they are not part of the NDA.

251 seats should be the lower limit of what NDA can expect, unless they get their alliance arithmetic completely wrong, in which case they can potentially lose 42 seats between Mah, Bihar and Punjab (assuming their NDA partners votes got transferred to BJP in 2019 and there will be no
transfer in 2024. This (209) is a worst case scenario.
I think Bihar and MH might the BJP's biggest headaches out of their relatively safe states because they had absolutely swept both of them in 2019 (with allies). Before the recent assembly elections a lot was being made about what it might mean for 2024 if the BJP loses MP/RJ/CG. But I don't think the BJP really had any vulnerability there even if they had lost all 3 like they did in 2018 because we have repeatedly seen voters vote differently in state and LS elections and Modi's popularity as PM in these areas remains strong.

But in Bihar and MH they face different issues. Correct me if I'm wrong but the BJP has never won an election against the RJD-JDU combine. In 2014 they fought separately and in 2015 when they fought together, the BJP lost. While that seemingly unbeatable caste arithmetic may matter less in LS elections than in state elections, it still matters and it will be a challenge in 2024 no doubt.

In MH on the other hand the problem is that the political situation is too chaotic for anyone to predict what can or will happen. There are essentially 2 Shiv Senas and 2 NCP's at the moment. No one knows what the alliances will look like in 2024 and how the seats may be shared. The voters themselves might get confused about who exactly they are voting for in their constituency.

The two states combined have 88 seats which is significant chunk and the NDA won 80 last time around.

nachiket ji,

It looks like most states vote regional to keep alive and stress their regional identities, but in a positive way, baring KER, WB, NE, TN, the old cashmere, and TG where the ecosystem is geared for maximizing profits for the political dispensation and they sometimes throw a few crumbs to their supporters to keep them enticed enough to build vote banks. This innate sense of distinctiveness and oneness is becoming increasingly important to them and they use it to differentiate themselves from the rest of the Indian populace. TN in particular is a virulent example with open calls to secession and separatism, (under the malicious subterfuge of "freedom of expression" and "free speech").

But a lot of them in many states vote national in the general elections because they know which side of their bread is buttered

in some states, their delusional and entitled leadership structures have overarching kingmaker aspirations/vaulting ambition to the crown itself and the likes of nitishwa, khujliwal, mafia famiglia, KCR, onions, and CBN come to mind.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Dec 2023 12:38

Bharat looto yatra

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 12 Dec 2023 23:33

https://twitter.com/BJP4India/status/17 ... 1887876370

https://twitter.com/BJP4India/status/17 ... 6584408149

Now fully in attack mode. Please spread these ...

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 17:43

!!! security breach inside the parliament !!!

During the zero hour, 2 persons, a man and a woman, jumped into the well of the lok Sabha from the visitor's gallery and set off canisters emitting yellow smoke. They were rapidly overpowered and arrested by security staff. LS adjourned for a while, reconvening now, probe ordered, both persons identified. A guy Manoranjan, from KA and a woman called Neelam from Haryana.

Doesnt seem like terror incident, but reveals a serious security lapse nevertheless.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 17:50

Some news reports are confusing, visuals of a person jumping across MP rows inside Lok Sabha, presumably he jumped in from the visitor gallery. Then visuals of at least 2 people setting off yellow and orange smoke canisters in the new parliament building complex but outside the building. Lets wait for detailed reports and identities and further statements from GoI.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 18:39

Our tv media vultures have once again covered themselves in glory, as you will see in news and SM channels.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Dec 2023 19:55

Cyrano wrote: ↑13 Dec 2023 17:43 !!! security breach inside the parliament !!!

During the zero hour, 2 persons, a man and a woman, jumped into the well of the lok Sabha from the visitor's gallery and set off canisters emitting yellow smoke. They were rapidly overpowered and arrested by security staff. LS adjourned for a while, reconvening now, probe ordered, both persons identified. A guy Manoranjan, from KA and a woman called Neelam from Haryana.

Doesnt seem like terror incident, but reveals a serious security lapse nevertheless.

Cyrano ji,

looks like the two may have entered the visitors gallery on a visitors pass issued by mysore MP pratap simha (BJP)

The woman protester has been identified as a Neelam Kaur (42) and Amol Shinde (25). (both outside parliament, near transport bhavan)

Meanwhile, one of the accused who jumped inside the Lok Sabha is reportedly being identified as a Sagar.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 20:21

Yes, it seems 2 more arrested for sheltering these 4 people in Delhi.

When will our police learn to shoot intruders down, or immediately tie hands behind the back with cuffs or zipties, put a hood on them etc as standard procedure ? That intruder babe is an Andolan jeevi shouting slogans as she was being held by the arm and walked off by a lady Delhi police constable, the whole media vultures circus following behind.

So much laxism, chalta Hai, lack of discipline on display.

Mahadev Ki Krupa Hai Ki this attack coming on the very day of Dec 13 was mostly harmless...

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 13 Dec 2023 20:36

Pannun connection? Can Bharat ask USA?

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 20:56

LoL !

Seeing how quickly Adhi Ranjan, Kharge, Shampoo boy knew that a BJP MP was named in the parliament visitors pass of one of the intruders and started making ruckus in LS and RS as soon as the houses reconvened,

And photos all over SM of these intruders with Pappu, other congi netas, sloganeering for them etc etc

It's only a matter of time before full truth comes out.

These scum cannot digest the new parliament built and inaugurated by Modi and are hell bent on tarnishing the building and Bharat's image in any dumbffking way. The only word for them is neech-nikrustha.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Dec 2023 21:01

@pallavict

This lady #NeelamAzad, who breached Parliament Security today, is a serial andolanjeevi associated with Sudeep Goyat & is seen here openly campaigning for Congress & INLD

Is there a Congress hand in what happened today

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 13 Dec 2023 21:10

Vicky Sharma is possible IYC (Indian Youth Congress) leader.

Delhi police arrests Vicky Sharma and his wife. 4 Parliament intruders were staying at their house.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 13 Dec 2023 21:13

They orchestrated this to sideline the news of 350 crores ...

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 21:19

Add to neech-nikrustha, mand-buddhi as well.

greatde · Post by **greatde** » 13 Dec 2023 21:38

It should not be limited to just parliament. All highly sensitive places got to rechecked, and training done professionally.

Surely, drills should be regular, both for the security personal, and people in the institution. Like here, many MPs here didn't even know what to do next...

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 13 Dec 2023 22:03

This is a huge security lapse. I hope we don't try to play politics, but get our act together on security and get to the bottom of this.
At the least, members of Parliament are owed a detailed explanation about what happened.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 13 Dec 2023 22:50

lol so many duggal saabs in INC

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 Dec 2023 22:51

@SaffronSunanda

Samyukt Kisan Morcha and the entire 'Ecosystem' stands with Neelam and is demanding her release.

And they are threatening government to protest against the arrest of Neelam Azad.

Now the world knows that who did this and why.

Losers!!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Dec 2023 01:21

https://twitter.com/Starboy2079/status/ ... 0994980208

Yesterday Congress posted this video where Rahul Gandhi saying
"Unemployment is big crisis now, It's going out of hand now"

And today a congress supporter went out of hand on unemployment at parliament

Then congress ecosystem started to talk abt unemployment

Connect the dots

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Dec 2023 01:25

https://twitter.com/TimesAlgebraIND/sta ... 5440163863

Times Algebra @TimesAlgebraIND
BIG BREAKING NEWS - PM Modi is coming back with 308+ seats in 2024 as per Times Now ETG Opinion Poll

He will secure 3rd consecutive term, a feat achieved by only Jawaharlal Nehru in India.

BJP : 308-328
NDA : 319-339

CONG : 52-72
BJD : 13-15
YSRC : 24-25
TMC : 20-24
DMK : 20-24
AAP : 4-7
BRS : 3-5
OTH : 66-76

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Dec 2023 02:13

Cyrano wrote: ↑13 Dec 2023 20:56 The only word for them is neech-nikrustha.

neech-nikrushta-pishacha is the right word, but that is a mouthful. Hence I go with the simplified form : CONgoon.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 14 Dec 2023 07:37

Cyrano wrote: ↑13 Dec 2023 20:21 Yes, it seems 2 more arrested for sheltering these 4 people in Delhi.

When will our police learn to shoot intruders down, or immediately tie hands behind the back with cuffs or zipties, put a hood on them etc as standard procedure ? That intruder babe is an Andolan jeevi shouting slogans as she was being held by the arm and walked off by a lady Delhi police constable, the whole media vultures circus following behind.

So much laxism, chalta Hai, lack of discipline on display.

Mahadev Ki Krupa Hai Ki this attack coming on the very day of Dec 13 was mostly harmless...

I don't recall the details. But years ago the Supreme Court ruled that handcuffing an accused or undertrial prisoner is a violation of their fundamental right.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 14 Dec 2023 08:52

nandakumar wrote: ↑14 Dec 2023 07:37
I don't recall the details. But years ago the Supreme Court ruled that handcuffing an accused or undertrial prisoner is a violation of their fundamental right.

There apparently is a loophole provision left however (see last para below)

Yes. Moronic worthies of the 'those-who-shall-not-be-questioned' types have foisted it on the law enforcement.

https://bnblegal.com/article/police-can ... -in-india/

Supreme Court Guidelines On Handcuffing In India

Expressing its displeasure with the continuous violation of previous directives, the Supreme Court issued stricter directives.

We declare, direct and lay down as a rule that handcuffs or other fetters shall not be forced on a prisoner – convicted or under-trial-while lodged in jail anywhere in the country or while transporting or in transit from one jail to another or from jail to court and back.

The police and the jail authorities, on their own, shall have no authority to direct the hand-cuffing of any inmate of a jail in the country or during transport from one jail to another or from jail to court and back.

Where the police or the jail authorities have a well-grounded basis for drawing a strong inference that a particular prisoner is likely to jump jail or break out of custody then the said prisoner be produced before the magistrate concerned and a prayer for permission to handcuff the prisoner be made before the said magistrate. # err what about the risk of such an escape while transporting the prisoner to the magistrate... or will the magistrate come to the prison ?

Save in rare cases of concrete proof regarding proneness of the prisoner to violence, his tendency to escape, he being so dangerous/desperate and the finding that no other practical way of forbidding escape is available, the magistrate may grant permission to handcuff the prisoner.

In all the cases where a person arrested by police, is produced before the magistrate and remand – judicial or non-judicial – is given by the magistrate the person concerned shall not be handcuffed unless special orders in that respect are obtained from the magistrate at the time of the grant of the remand.

When the police arrests a person in execution of a warrant of arrest obtained from a magistrate, the person so arrested shall not be handcuffed unless the police has also obtained orders from the magistrate for the handcuffing of the person to be so arrested.

Where a person is arrested by the police without a warrant the police officer concerned may if he is satisfied, on the basis of the guidelines given by us in para above, that it is necessary to handcuff such a person, he may do so till the time he is taken to the police station and thereafter his production before the magistrate.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Dec 2023 09:17

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Dec 2023 09:18

If anyone is in AP, they are giving 24-25 to YSRCP and 0-1 to TDP. Is that possible?

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 14 Dec 2023 10:08

nandakumar wrote:But years ago the Supreme Court ruled that handcuffing an accused or undertrial prisoner is a violation of their fundamental right.

Yes there are such directives. But from what I have seen, handcuffing is still done at least in KA, KL. In KL generally the both rings of the handcuffs are placed on the same hand

. So this hand cuff generally is only like a tag which shows that the person is a prisoner/or in police custody. He can still make an attempt to run (and such things have happened) and the only benefit the handcuff provides is that the people will at least know who the prisoner is.

One reason for not allowing handcuffing prisoners when inside vehicles was that, if such a vehicle meets with an accident the prisoner is at more risk. As he cannot easily escape.

In KA, hand cuffs are used regularly when prisoners are brought to the magistrate's court. And they also use longer chains, which is fixed to the handcuff as well. UP police also seems to be following the same. See how Shri. Siddique Kappan - Jehadi sympathiser from KL brought to a court in UP

.

Cyrano wrote:When will our police learn to shoot intruders down, or immediately tie hands behind the back with cuffs or zipties, put a hood on them etc as standard procedure ?

Regular police patrols in India rarely carry small arms (or even rifles), or handcuffs. The concept of "duty belt" as seen in US is not in India. And hoods etc are also not carried by police men or even their patrol mobiles.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Dec 2023 13:22

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Dec 2023 13:41

@MinhazMerchant

As ⁦@FBI⁩ director Chris Wray arrives today, he’ll find India isn’t the subservient strategic partner US would like. Out goes the carrot & in comes an admonitory stick. Didn’t work in the Nixon-Kissinger era. Won’t work now.

My ⁦@DainikBhaskar⁩ oped. English alongside

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Dec 2023 13:58