India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 20 Dec 2023 18:42

If US is asking for extradition and investigation into CC-1 by India for plotting to kill Indian citizens, India should do the request the same about Pannun and others who are advocating violent session from India. Indian lives are equally important as US citizens'. India should ask for reciprocity in that case

williams · Post by **williams** » 20 Dec 2023 20:15

sanman wrote: ↑19 Dec 2023 19:20 Here's what I'm thinking:

The Biden Whitehouse is suddenly doing a 180, and now raising all sorts of hackles against us, with the jet engine deal being a casualty. It all looks rather sudden and contrived.

Washington was looking to make India a key participant in the IMEC corridor, but that's now sunk, due to the unexpected outbreak of Israel-Hamas war. Now that IMEC isn't happening, it seems that US has much less need for us. In the new circumstances, far better for them to have a Sino-Indian war to keep China out of their hair, while they go after Iran to protect Israel. The Washington stuntsmen may calculate a benefit from throwing India under a Chinese bus.

So they're throwing away the jet engine deal in order to create a strategic vulnerability that they can then coax China into exploiting. Think of Iran-Iraq war, among others.

If we suffer a war from this, then we'd better be prepared to do Pokhran-3.

The engine deal is not off. For all we know, it could be related to significant supply chain and labor problems GE is facing this year. Biden has his own set of political issues, and he is essentially a lame-duck president. Also, unless there are official sanctions, the US government has very little leverage on companies like GE, seeking profit maximization. So, I would take any news that says GE is deliberately delaying the supply of engines with a pinch of salt. India has various options to calibrate the relationship according to her own needs. As long as India relies on imported technology for her military needs, she will be strategically vulnerable. Depending on foreign supplies, there will be delays, sanctions, and all sorts of issues. Everybody knows about it, but we are moving at a snail's pace on indigenous engine development. In that case, Pokran 3,4 or 5 cannot save us.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 20 Dec 2023 21:26

Canadian PM Trudeau said "He sees a shift in India's tone after US accused India of trying to kill US citizen Pannu".

He further said, India now understands it cannot bluster their way through this & now India is more open to collaborate.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india- ... -1.7064437

Sidekick pipsqueak speaking on his master's borrowed muscle.

And no, i did not see any shift in tone, yet.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 20 Dec 2023 22:04

williams wrote: ↑20 Dec 2023 20:15 The engine deal is not off. For all we know, it could be related to significant supply chain and labor problems GE is facing this year. Biden has his own set of political issues, and he is essentially a lame-duck president. Also, unless there are official sanctions, the US government has very little leverage on companies like GE, seeking profit maximization. So, I would take any news that says GE is deliberately delaying the supply of engines with a pinch of salt. India has various options to calibrate the relationship according to her own needs. As long as India relies on imported technology for her military needs, she will be strategically vulnerable. Depending on foreign supplies, there will be delays, sanctions, and all sorts of issues. Everybody knows about it, but we are moving at a snail's pace on indigenous engine development. In that case, Pokran 3,4 or 5 cannot save us.

Here's what I see:

US wanted to rope in India for India-MiddleEast-Europe economic corridor (IMEC). Israel-Saudi peace agreement was supposed to be a key lynchpin for that IMEC deal, which made it very important for US. But now sudden unexpected outbreak of Israel-Hamas war has destroyed Israel's relations with even friendlier Arab countries like Saudi. So now IMEC deal cannot happen, and so US doesn't need India anymore for that, and so US no longer has a need to be nice to India. So now USA's real fangs are coming out, ready to arm-twist India at any opportunity.

Meanwhile US is now abandoning Ukraine-Russia conflict after having created it in the first place. Washington NeoCons embedded in Biden admin want to run away from Ukraine war just as fast as they ran away from Afghan war. Previously, they ran away from Afghan war so that they could run to new preferred war with Russia. Now they're running away from Ukraine-Russia war so that they can run toward new preferred war with Iran. That's why America's billionaire political donor class are all suddenly rushing to pile their money on presidential candidate Nikki Haley, whom they hope to use as their war-horse against Iran. Through her, the NeoCons hope to do to Iran what they did to Iraq. Reason for this sudden change is due to sudden outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah, both of which are backed by Iran. US was previously hoping to use India for India-Middleeast-Europe(IMEC) economic corridor, but now Israel-Hamas war has derailed that, so US doesn't need India anymore. That's why they're suddenly shifting to tough arm-twisting tactics against India.

Pokhran-3 can certainly be useful for us. Just as nukes have been Pakistan's most reliable and economical deterrent against India, likewise tactical thermonukes can be our reliable low-cost deterrent against China.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Dec 2023 00:03

Sanman, US muscled their way into IMEC which is original India,.Arabs, Israel, Greece idea. It's revival of old Petra trade route. This was bigger in value than Old Silk Road.

It was India that persuaded the two Sheikhs to agree. And IMEC will happen regardless of US participation or not.

The land links are being built at fast pace.
Biden with.over 4p years of foreign policy knows that US has to be seen as a participant in great initiatives and not be isolationist.

So keep this in mind.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Dec 2023 06:17

I agree with Abhijit Iyer-Mitra that the babus in the Czech Embassy are total failures. How can an Indian citizen be held in the conditions that Nikhil Gupta claims with no advocacy by the MEA? Especially, if by some chance, Nikhil Gupta is indeed an asset of some Indian agency, how can he be abandoned like that? This is not "great power" behavior and has to change.

https://www.youtube.com/live/wa1cPAumAe ... VrEGhWumFc

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 21 Dec 2023 06:31

A_Gupta wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 06:17 I agree with Abhijit Iyer-Mitra that the babus in the Czech Embassy are total failures. How can an Indian citizen be held in the conditions that Nikhil Gupta claims with no advocacy by the MEA? Especially, if by some chance, Nikhil Gupta is indeed an asset of some Indian agency, how can he be abandoned like that? This is not "great power" behavior and has to change.

https://www.youtube.com/live/wa1cPAumAe ... VrEGhWumFc

Total incompetent losers and morons

Is he still in Czech republic?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Dec 2023 08:04

WRT, IMEC, I am quite confused about the future of same.

As the news article linked below suggests that there is an active land route between Dubai and Haifa with first shipment already being completed.

With Jordan refuting the claim.

https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/15999

Yemen's dagger slices through 'normalization'

published on:DEC 20, 2023

Quoting from the article.

In early December, Israeli media broke the news of an agreement to establish a land bridge between the port of Dubai and the occupied port of Haifa. The reports claim this strategic accord aims to circumvent the growing Yemeni threat to close vital sea lanes to vessels associated with and/or destined for Israeli ports.

More in the article linked above.

Is the IMEC dead or alive?

Besides, why can't IMEC, branch into Syria and reach Europe from there?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 21 Dec 2023 09:52

Pratyush wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 08:04 Is the IMEC dead or alive?

Besides, why can't IMEC, branch into Syria and reach Europe from there?

Because Syria is an Iranian client, and Iran would not be supportive of IMEC if it bypasses them. As you know, Iran is not a fan of Saudi

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Dec 2023 10:03

The Czech lowest court has cleared the way for Nikhil Gupta's extradition to the US, but has also said that he can appeal to the higher court and then to their supreme court.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Dec 2023 11:12

Nikhil Gupta seems to be the unfortunate Indian whom the US is willing to sacrifice for its geopolitical whims and fancies. Is he an Indian Citizen , are we allowed consular access to him?

First it was Qatar, now this- looks like looking at Demographics these Govts are worried that all their Hitec jobs and senior positions will go to NRI's.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 21 Dec 2023 11:17

"Meanwhile, Indians’ perception of the US as a hypocritical, duplicitous and flatly hostile power is back in the mainstream."

I don't think that perception had ever gone away, to be "back in the mainstream."

Hard-hitting article with no punches pulled.
Opinion | Biden-Modi Bonhomie Overshadowed as American Political Hostility Towards India Takes Centre Stage

An alleged murder plot concerning a US-based terrorist at the hands of Indian authorities has powered a strikingly grim disruption in one of the most consequential bilateral relationships in geopolitics in this century. American pro-Democrat media outlets have been bursting with hit pieces, carefully crafted and timed to play up the rift. Meanwhile, Indians’ perception of the US as a hypocritical, duplicitous and flatly hostile power is back in the mainstream.

As Congressional Democrats storm into the fray amid election season, the Biden administration seems to be orchestrating a controlled implosion of India-US ties, a move directed at altering the perception of rising Modi-Biden bonhomie, or as many left-leaning democrats would view it— remedying it.
<snip> please read the article in full..<snip>

While part of the differences between the US and India oscillate between good times and bad times, others are deeply ingrained in American policies toward India and its interests. As the other half of a mature partnership, the US must shake off its politically hostile tendencies and respect India’s democracy, its sovereignty and its security interests.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Dec 2023 11:26

A_Gupta wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 06:17 if by some chance, Nikhil Gupta is indeed an asset of some Indian agency, ...

I am sure you know what "measure zero" means.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Dec 2023 11:31

Aditya_V wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 11:12 ... these Govts are worried that all their Hitec jobs and senior positions will go to NRI's.

Let us not take premature victory laps. Also let us not forget ex-twitter head - Anurag <something> and that woman Vijaya Gadde. If you want to go back into the distant past, Padmashri Warrier destroyed Motorola - once a proud company.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Dec 2023 12:36

sanman wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 09:52

Because Syria is an Iranian client, and Iran would not be supportive of IMEC if it bypasses them. As you know, Iran is not a fan of Saudi

Looking at the map of West Asia, I don't really understand the argument about Iran.

Besides, isn't India already working on a corridor between Iran and Saint Petersburg?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 21 Dec 2023 15:06

Pratyush wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 12:36 Looking at the map of West Asia, I don't really understand the argument about Iran.

Besides, isn't India already working on a corridor between Iran and Saint Petersburg?

It's about multiple corridors - can't put all your eggs in one basket

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 21 Dec 2023 16:18

Pratyush wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 12:36
Looking at the map of West Asia, I don't really understand the argument about Iran.

Besides, isn't India already working on a corridor between Iran and Saint Petersburg?

indian corridor with russia, the instec is on cards... or has been for sometime, if i recall correctly, the part upto the upper reaches of the caspian had more progress than the part from lower caspian to chabahar and that is only 1 country, iran in such projects usually hems and haws and tries to rake as much toll as possible, recall the chabahar port project and the difficulties in completing that

coming to the imec, by most accounts, us muscled its way in, this was a program devised by eu on the western side with france as the main driver and italy as secondary driver, greece ofcourse being an integral part of the scheme.

that us was not involved in the plans is to do with the status of its lapdog in the scheme, the uk finds no mention, iirc, there was some seethe and teeth gnashing in ft opeds regarding this; had the us been involved from the get go, there would have been a role demarcated for the uk, the usual security / services guarantor/ middle manager as is their prerogative.

re: relations between saudia and iran, there were repairs earlier this year with the mediation of china, the final outcome remains to be seen, but from the gaza conflict, hezabollah needling isreal, houthis harassing the red sea, all with the overt support of iran, no arab leader has come out and publicly chastised iran for this as was common in the past, that is also a big indicator of where the current relationship levels are at.

now for the path through syria, the us has for a better part of the past decade been looting oil, spreading terrorism and unrest and actively trying to destabilise the syrian government, if there is one ruler which causes the west more collective seethe than putin, it has to be assad, to actively pump money through infra means when the ruler has been personally using chemical weapons on his civilians as has been reported in the msm is anathema.

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 21 Dec 2023 16:38

sanman wrote: ↑20 Dec 2023 22:04
So now IMEC deal cannot happen, and so US doesn't need India anymore for that, and so US no longer has a need to be nice to India. So now USA's real fangs are coming out, ready to arm-twist India at any opportunity.

US was previously hoping to use India for India-Middleeast-Europe(IMEC) economic corridor, but now Israel-Hamas war has derailed that, so US doesn't need India anymore. That's why they're suddenly shifting to tough arm-twisting tactics against India.

sanman, lets say that the imec is not happening, as per your post, how does that translate to the us not needing india anymore? the relations and interests of the 2 are more interlinked and synergetic than the accomplishment of a project for which even the funding mechanism is not in public discourse

Meanwhile US is now abandoning Ukraine-Russia conflict after having created it in the first place. Washington NeoCons embedded in Biden admin want to run away from Ukraine war just as fast as they ran away from Afghan war.

the war in afghanistan was started c.2002, the us left in 2021, that as per my calculations is nearly 20 years...

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 22 Dec 2023 05:13

ricky_v wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 16:38 sanman, lets say that the imec is not happening, as per your post, how does that translate to the us not needing india anymore? the relations and interests of the 2 are more interlinked and synergetic than the accomplishment of a project for which even the funding mechanism is not in public discourse

The feeling has to be mutual. It cannot be a one-way relationship.

If they are going to smear us and tarnish our name, then we have to do the very same back to them.

So if you feel that their badmouthing us shouldn't stop us from cooperating with them, then you should equally recognize that our badmouthing them shouldn't stop them from cooperating with us. We can't have some one-way kow-towing here.

In which case, let the badmouthing flow forth. Time for us to get our gripes out. Let it be mutual, and not one-way.

I see US begging for international partners in patrolling Red Sea against Houthis right now. Why don't they go ask Khalistan Navy for help?

the war in afghanistan was started c.2002, the us left in 2021, that as per my calculations is nearly 20 years...

Biden admin clearly made a beeline to get our of Afghanistan the moment they got into the whitehouse. And this was because of NeoCons embedded in the Biden admin. The Bush-Cheney NeoCons were biding their time while out of power during the Obama & Trump years, waiting until they had a chance to get back into power, so that they could go after Russia. (They'd originally been expecting to ride Jeb Bush's coattails back into power, and were incensed when Jeb was trounced by Trump). Once these NeoCons were able to get back into power through senile puppet Biden, then they immediately sought about getting the hell out of Afghanistan so that they could focus on starting war with Russia. Their catspaw Nuland had already laid the seeds for this by helping to overthrow the Yanuckovitch govt.

Now that Israel-Hamas war has suddenly broken out, this has given the NeoCons a sudden imperative to go after Iran. That's why so many billionaire political donors are suddenly switching their support over to Nikki Haley, whom they see as their fastest and most reliable vehicle to launching a major war against Iran. They intend to start war on Iran in the same way they started it on Iraq. They'll manufacture whatever pretext suits them, and will proceed to bomb Iran to the ground. Russia won't accept that at all, of course - and so there will be an extremely high risk of direct military confrontation between US and Russia in the event of an Iran War, with China joining in on the Russian side.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2023 03:18

https://x.com/DivaJain2/status/1737686147285831742?s=20 ---> For those who accuse PM Modi of not answering media questions - he has taken head on arguably the most vicious of his media critics in this interview and demolished their chicanery.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Dec 2023 09:01

Think of the 4/5 eyes as US munnas. As India rises US will use indirect strategy of using the munnas as proxies.
Canada got caught in the retaliation and is nursing its wounds.
US with Nick Singh case is saying don't go after my munnas.
Modiji with his FT interview made clear the munnas and the backer need to bring evidence and will be reviewed.
They won't for it reveals methods or its just made up intelligence case.
So now Trudeau is saying let's look at Indo-Pacific strategy as a way of saving let bygones be bygones.
We are not noticing another near by munna Qatar is going to release the eight detainess.

Can't be a coincidence in International politics.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 23 Dec 2023 10:25

Is Qatar releasing the folks?

Najunamar · Post by **Najunamar** » 23 Dec 2023 10:54

Wall of Hindu temple in California defaced by Khalistani terrorists. Hinduphobia to be unleashed by the Dhimmicrats?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 226152.cms

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 23 Dec 2023 11:24

^^^Swaminarayan Mandir Vasana Sanstha in Newark, California was defaced with pro-Khalistan slogans.

The mention of the Khalistan terrorist kingpin Bhindranwale, who targeted Hindus for murder, is specifically meant to traumatize temple goers and create a fear of violence—meeting the CA definition of a hate crime

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 23 Dec 2023 14:15

I thought that Khalistanis are non-communal secular freedom fighters who are only campaigning against the Indian govt:

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 23 Dec 2023 19:00

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 23 Dec 2023 20:22

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 23 Dec 2023 22:33

The spring semester 2024 at many US universities is about to start in 2-3 weeks. The MEA needs to put out a US Travel Advisory for students and families going to the US. A warning of hate crimes against Hindus, violent gun crime, and violent crime in general in many large metropolitan localities across the US.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 23 Dec 2023 23:12

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 23 Dec 2023 23:44

+1008 India needs to strike back hard against US antipathy for Hindus.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 24 Dec 2023 06:04

So keeping Pres. Trump off the ballot is not “democratic backsliding”?

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 24 Dec 2023 06:14

Mort Walker wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 22:33 The spring semester 2024 at many US universities is about to start in 2-3 weeks. The MEA needs to put out a US Travel Advisory for students and families going to the US. A warning of hate crimes against Hindus, violent gun crime, and violent crime in general in many large metropolitan localities across the US.

GoI should blacklist the universities/departments that employ "Dismantle-Hindutva" professors, shaming such universities as promoters of hate against Hindus and supporters of Hindu genocide. No Forex and bank loans should be given to students going to such universities. We should come up with a term equivalent to "anti-semitism" and make it a career-breaking offence to indulge in anti-Hindu activities.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 06:34

krithivas wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 06:04 So keeping Pres. Trump off the ballot is not “democratic backsliding”?

These librandus are hypocrites, of course. Glandular self-obsessed types like these will never care enough to notice this.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 09:26

Let me give a theory:

South Carolina Moment: Is Vivek Ramaswamy Why US Establishment Has Suddenly Turned Hostile to India?

In the South Carolina debates for the Republican primary of the 2016 US presidential race, Trump famously responded to jabs from NeoCon opponent Jeb Bush, by blasting his brother George W Bush for having wrecked the country with the ill-conceived and ill-managed invasion of Iraq. This stirred a hornet's nest among the NeoCons, who had been counting on riding Jeb's coattails back to power in the Whitehouse, having pumped billions into his presidential campaign for this purpose.

In a possible repeat of history, in the latest Republican primary debate, upstart challenger Vivek Ramaswamy similarly blasted NeoCon opponent Nikki Haley of South Carolina as "Dick Cheney in heels", calling her a corrupt Bush-Cheney warmonger and servant of the military-industrial complex. This looks to have again stirred a hornet's nest among the NeoCons, who've been backing Nikki 's run for the Whitehouse, hoping to ride her coattails back into power, and use her as a vehicle for a new war against Iran.

The sudden unexpected outbreak of war between Israel vs Hamas & Hezbollah, has produced sudden shifts in the dynamics of the US presidential race. Suddenly multiple large billionaire donors are switching away from backing Ron DeSantis (who'd been the 2nd-highest polling candidate and rival to Trump), to instead backing Nikki Haley. This is happening because the wealthy elites in America are now suddenly feeling a strong imperative for war on Iran, and NeoCon Nikki is seen as the best route to making this happen. (As we know, Iran is the main source of funding/support for both Hamas and Hezbollah.) Even Zelensky, the previous darling of US establishment for carrying out their war on Russia, is now being told to bide his time and perhaps even seek talks with Putin. American warmongers are now quietly running away from war with Russia, and towards their newer preferred war with Iran -- much as they'd quickly ran away from Afghanistan so that they could quickly start their newer preferred war on Russia.

What does this have to do with India? "Oppo Research" (aka. dirt-digging) done by the contestants in this current US presidential race has unearthed instances of Vivek Ramaswamy praising Modi, and has been used to claim Vivek is "right-wing Modi hindutva fascist". (Note that in contrast to Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy does not attempt to hide his Indian roots and faith) Therefore any opportunity to vilify Modi can be used as an attack vector against troublemaker Vivek Ramaswamy. Showing India's ruling govt as a rogue regime engaged in assassinations and other nasty stuff is then useful and timely. In a similar vein, Lefty bastion BBC deliberately ran their hit-piece against Modi ("The Modi Question") because they were hoping to use it to cast aspersions against the non-Lefty brown guy who'd just moved into 10 Downing Street. So these things are from the same playbook.

The prime concern of America's warmongering elites right now is to get their war-horse Nikki into the Whitehouse, so that they can get their war on Iran. Joe Biden's Dhritarashtra presidency has now run its course, having served its purpose in bringing war against Russia. He'll be discarded in due course, with a seamless switchover to NeoCon Nikki as the next president from the Republican side - just like surefootedly shifting from one foot to the other.

Their main obstacle has been Donald Trump, who of course has been bogged down with every kind of legal case being filed against him. But Vivek Ramaswamy has increasingly emerged as a new thorn in the side, with his spirited defense of Trump, and his recent raining of fire on NeoCon Nikki, the preferred new war-horse candidate of the war lobby.

Skeptics will claim "But we India! We so big! We so impressive! No foreigners will mess with us just because of their own silly election politics! Don't be ridiculous paranoid!" The fact is that foreigners are not as in awe of India as we imagine them to be. Even lightweight Trudeau in lightweight Canada is easily willing to sacrifice relations with us for the sake of domestic political fortunes. In the case of US politics, their big money lobbies are very powerful and are playing for very high stakes. They strongly intend to get their war on Iran, and anyone even vaguely seen as standing in their way will be swept aside, howsoever crudely and no matter what the collateral damage to the rest of us.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Dec 2023 21:41

Trump committed insurrection on Jan 6, 2021. It is as simple as that, there is no need to read in "deep state" and other such stuff. Exactly the reaction if Indians would have if RaGa loses in 2024 but says he did not lose and organizes a march on Parliament to void the election results. As to the various alibis for Trump, the organizer of the event on January 6ths:

"This stays only between us, we are having a second stage at the Supreme Court again after the ellipse. POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol . . . It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the national park service and all the agencies but POTUS is going to just call for it “unexpectedly[.]”

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/default/fi ... 202021.pdf

If you want to keep US-India relations based on reality, then I dunno why this is so difficult to understand.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Dec 2023 00:08

@A_Gupta ji, OT but let us wait and see what SCOTUS would say on Colorado SC ruling. That said, let Amrus worry about it. India has to only recognize fault lines in the US Poitiers/society and try to exploit to its advantage. Realpolitik only,saarree only.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Dec 2023 02:26

A_Gupta wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 21:41 Trump committed insurrection on Jan 6, 2021. It is as simple as that, there is no need to read in "deep state" and other such stuff.

Why not saaru vaaru? Why not? Is it your case that there is no "deep state"? It would be interesting if you can prove that deep state doesn't exist, or even oif it exists (depending in some definition of "deep state") it doesn't try to steer India-US relations in a way that is helpful to that "deep state".

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Dec 2023 05:04

A_Gupta wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 21:41 Trump committed insurrection on Jan 6, 2021. It is as simple as that, there is no need to read in "deep state" and other such stuff. Exactly the reaction if Indians would have if RaGa loses in 2024 but says he did not lose and organizes a march on Parliament to void the election results. As to the various alibis for Trump, the organizer of the event on January 6ths:

Trump did not pre-plan any violence and had no intention of violence. Any violence that occurred was spontaneous, and more like a mild riot. Nothing was set on fire -- in contrast to the preceding 2020 Summer of RIoting instigated by the Left, which was far worse and saw a number of people killed and many things burned down. You may remember that Lefty Democrats fanned that Summer of Rioting, triggered by the George Floyd incident, entire police stations were burned down, police officers were killed in various attacks across the country. The US Democratic National Convention refused to allow police officers on its floor, claiming their presence would be a provocation against attendees.

How many shops were burned down on Jan 6? Numerous shops were burned in the preceding 2020 Summer of RIoting.

"This stays only between us, we are having a second stage at the Supreme Court again after the ellipse. POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol . . . It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the national park service and all the agencies but POTUS is going to just call for it “unexpectedly[.]”

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/default/fi ... 202021.pdf

If you want to keep US-India relations based on reality, then I dunno why this is so difficult to understand.

I see that the American Left (like the rest of the Western Left) are increasingly targeting India and Hindus. These Leftists are now suddenly trying to pass laws on caste, etc, seeking to expand their game of divide-and-rule. It's like a colonial renaissance.
These Leftists have suddenly made Modi into their scapegoat and their devil.
The leftists on university campuses have been spreading their predatory slander, calling for "Dismantling Global Hindutva".
Then they also add that "Since Hinduism and Hindutva are inseparable, it's necessary to destroy Hinduism too"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/znQdMytulhI

Najunamar · Post by **Najunamar** » 26 Dec 2023 11:46

More than the article, the comments are quite interesting. Looks like it’s struck a raw nerve, I wasn’t sure India itself considers the goal as anywhere close but if there’s so much venom, we must be quite close! I am surprised at the level of hubris and hatred.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/india-wa ... 17276.html

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 27 Dec 2023 15:49

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