Hamas attack.on Israel. Oct 2023

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Nov 2023 05:47

Very interesting counter-points.

✦Pressure on Israel to extend truce; the possibility of war to satisfy maximalist terms of regime change in Gaza. 00:13
✦Regional actors are unlikely to allow the extermination of Hamas, but they have different motivations. 03:11
✦Israel's military failure in Gaza. 05:32
✦The Israeli military relies heavily on remote-controlled weapons, lacking face-to-face combat skills. 07:50
✦The Israeli Security Services and Netanyahu would not have allowed the events of October 7th to take place. 10:24
✦Netanyahu is being pushed towards a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide. 12:43
✦Netanyahu's government is in danger. 15:01
✦ The Netanyahu government poses a danger to Israel. 17:06
✦Biden's support for Netanyahu's government is driven by the donor base and Jewish voters. 19:09
✦The Netanyahu government is dangerous for Israel. 21:08
✦Netanyahu government's dangerous actions in Israel. 23:05
✦The Netanyahu government is dangerous for Israel. 25:09

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Dec 2023 19:05

"Girls pelvises broken, been raped so much': Hamas violated men, not just women, on October 7, say Israeli probers
The investigation, led by Shelly Harush, is the largest ever conducted by Israeli police into sexual violence and crimes against women. Harush emphasized that sexual crimes were evidently part of the Hamas terrorists' plan"

https://www.firstpost.com/world/girls-p ... 64132.html

bala · Post by **bala** » 07 Dec 2023 22:12

Israel starts flooding Gaza Tunnels. Footage shows pipes and pumps from the Seas around Gaza laid by IDF. Israel is bombarding high rise buildings in Gaza. City of Khan Yunis in Gaza is being evacuated of civilians and being prepared for further bombardment.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 09 Dec 2023 06:33

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 11 Dec 2023 08:40

Do not know where to post this fun fact. The current Palestine flag was the flag of Jordan between 1920-30 or so.

Jordan, around 1930 added a star, which is what the Jordan flag is today. Give and take some.

(((So, send the Palestinians to Jordan and be done.)))

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 11 Dec 2023 16:10

Ji, many miss the elephant in the room. If the West Bank is truly palestine, then why did the Jordanians who controlled this domain between 1948 to 1967 not had it over to the palestinian authorities? Why no such demand for those years? NOBODY wishes to ask or answer this question.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 12 Dec 2023 14:50

Lisa wrote: ↑11 Dec 2023 16:10 Ji, many miss the elephant in the room. If the West Bank is truly palestine, then why did the Jordanians who controlled this domain between 1948 to 1967 not had it over to the palestinian authorities? Why no such demand for those years? NOBODY wishes to ask or answer this question.

The Palestinians were not really a state with leaders who represented them.
From 1916 onwards (Sykes-Picot agreement and the Balfour declaration) Jordan felt it had got a raw deal from the British. When Palestine was
proposed to be partitioned, Jordan did not agree. the 1948 war was an attempt by both sides (Israel vs the Arab states) to grab as much territory as possible. Since Jewish Israel had enlarged its territory, Jordan wanted to do the same and annexed the West bank.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 12 Dec 2023 19:08

A Palestinian state is DOA. Palestianians are Jordanians historically. The only viable solution is to merge west bank with Jordan and relocation of poeple in Gaza to the new Jordan. The powers that be should come up with a 20-year aid package to Jordan for integration and reconciliation.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 Dec 2023 22:03

These snakes have gone after the King of Jordan (who claims lineage from 7th century) and he desperately & ruthlessly got bhade ke faujis from Pak to kill some 15K of them. Thats why no one wants them in the region. Now Egypt is building a 3rd layer of fencing across Gaza border to prevent snakes crawling in. In a few weeks, Hamas as we know it will be crushed. No one knows whats to happen after or is not telling.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 13 Dec 2023 11:49

Off late, I don't see very big news on the Israel-Hamas conflict. There were way too many reports (and secular whine fest) during the Israeli on-slaught and even during the time of hostage release. After that it was every media outlet just lost interest. Two days back I saw tweets about Israelis taking prisoners and a video about the the Gay parade in Gaza

. It was the Hamas Jehadis being stripped down to their undies and being walked on the streets to waiting vehicles. There was another pick of them being blind folded and sitting the trailer truck.

Which means that Israelis are still taking in Hamas cadre as prisoners, and they have not let down any of their planned responses.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 13 Dec 2023 13:41

Yes, the west has to find something new to outrage about. Ukraine, Palestine, Climate change are nearing expiry date. Recent COP28 and right wing parties winning in Netherlands have put a break on EU's so far unbridled enthusiasm for policies like net zero, CABM taxation, immigration etc... all of which are tied to happenings in west Asia.

The west will not give up its leverage in the region, they will soon manufacture some new outrage, I'm guessing it will be Palestine Act II in the near term.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 14 Dec 2023 00:07

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Dec 2023 01:03

@AvivaKlompas

Hamas’s top three leaders - Ismail Haniyeh, Moussa Abu Marzuk and Khaled Mashal - are worth a staggering $11 billion.

The international community should stop sending aid dollars to Gaza to further bankroll their life of luxury in Qatar. When Israel takes these murderers out, that $11 billion can go to rebuilding Gaza.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Dec 2023 02:17

Top Hamas Official Suggests Recognizing Israel, Following Official PLO Stance

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Dec 2023 20:33

What just happened?

morem · Post by **morem** » 15 Dec 2023 22:46

also described as "g**d lagi fatne , prasad laga batne"

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Dec 2023 09:46

Per this reading of the Quran, the Quran itself says that Allah granted the Jews the authority in the land of Israel to kill anyone who makes mischief in their land.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2023 13:29

US is pulling all stops to make Netanyahu finish by new year's eve.
It's hurting US political goodwill in.Arab capitals and
Hurting Ukraine effort by diverting resources and attention.

Biden making long retired friends of Bibi call him.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 20 Dec 2023 07:13

PM Modi, Israel PM Netanyahu hold telephonic talks; share concerns regarding the safety of maritime traffic. PM Modi emphasized an "early and peaceful resolution of the conflict", says Indian Readout

Isreael readout..""discussed advancing the arrival of foreign workers from India to the State of Israel"; freedom of navigation in the Bab-el-Mandeb strait also discussed"

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 23 Dec 2023 15:37

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/12/th ... later.html

Part two of my analysis of the Gaza war, in my attached blogpost. No politics, only numbers and military related details.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 23 Dec 2023 18:24

This so called Houthi/Iran Drone attacks are suspiciously attacking only Ships either going or coming from India, is there a Chinese/ Pakistani angle to this?

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 23 Dec 2023 23:37

Deans wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 15:37 https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/12/th ... later.html

Part two of my analysis of the Gaza war, in my attached blogpost. No politics, only numbers and military related details.

Good analysis.

The common thread in this and the Ukraine conflict is that it is high intensity and eats up ammunition very quickly. The cheapest ammo for doing damage (as opposed to missiles) is the 155mm shell and this is what gets exhausted rapidly.

It is high time that GoI doubled current 155mm shell stocks in anticipation of conflict that will come surely. That, and fuze production.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 24 Dec 2023 06:55

Tanaji wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 23:37
...The cheapest ammo for doing damage (as opposed to missiles) is the 155mm shell and this is what gets exhausted rapidly.

It is high time that GoI doubled current 155mm shell stocks in anticipation of conflict that will come surely. That, and fuze production.

And barrels for the guns

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 24 Dec 2023 08:17

Tanaji wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 23:37
Deans wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 15:37 https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2023/12/th ... later.html

Part two of my analysis of the Gaza war, in my attached blogpost. No politics, only numbers and military related details.
Good analysis.

The common thread in this and the Ukraine conflict is that it is high intensity and eats up ammunition very quickly. The cheapest ammo for doing damage (as opposed to missiles) is the 155mm shell and this is what gets exhausted rapidly.

It is high time that GoI doubled current 155mm shell stocks in anticipation of conflict that will come surely. That, and fuze production.

In the case of the IDF, they are also running out of smart bombs and missiles for Iron Dome. The problem with Iron dome is that it will intercept a missile fabricated in a garage, using a missile costing 100 times more.
I think our artillery shells stocks should be 10X more than whatever they currently are. I'm not sure there is any supplier for 130mm ammo outside India. For 155mm, western suppliers will arm twist us.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Dec 2023 08:27

Aditya_V wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 18:24 This so called Houthi/Iran Drone attacks are suspiciously attacking only Ships either going or coming from India, is there a Chinese/ Pakistani angle to this?

The thought had crossed my mind. Along with the following possibilities.

1) they don't care what they're hitting. Something gets hit, they link it to Israel.

2) they're receiving accurate targeting data from somewhere. And are then targetting the ship.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 24 Dec 2023 15:17

Deans wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 08:17

In the case of the IDF, they are also running out of smart bombs and missiles for Iron Dome. The problem with Iron dome is that it will intercept a missile fabricated in a garage, using a missile costing 100 times more.
I think our artillery shells stocks should be 10X more than whatever they currently are. I'm not sure there is any supplier for 130mm ammo outside India. For 155mm, western suppliers will arm twist us.

Deansji, you have hit the nail on the head. The current developments on guidance have enabled any one to make a reasonable accurate guided missile that can be fabricated very cheaply with a WW2 era infrastructure. It also means that the attacker can put out hundreds of these and overwhelm the defences as all of these need to be intercepted.

Governments either due to inertia or due to their MIC havent moved beyond intercepting these with costly missiles that were originally developed to counter ballistic missiles. This will fail spectacularly at scale…

I think we need to develop a cheaper counter. These cheap drones don’t fly high neither do they do fancy manoeuvres. We need to develop guided AA guns with fast swivelling mounts with 3 axis freedom in a quad pack. This combined with some sort of custom developed fuze that fragments the shells at proximity of even a small target such as a drone should do the job… Couple it with a wheeled mount and we have a cheapish counter… Add to this the Russian approach of jamming the drone control signals..

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 24 Dec 2023 17:28

Pratyush wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 08:27
Aditya_V wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 18:24 This so called Houthi/Iran Drone attacks are suspiciously attacking only Ships either going or coming from India, is there a Chinese/ Pakistani angle to this?
The thought had crossed my mind. Along with the following possibilities.

1) they don't care what they're hitting. Something gets hit, they link it to Israel.

2) they're receiving accurate targeting data from somewhere. And are then targetting the ship.

Almost all cargo ships have a well defined route, which they file with ports they call on. They travel on designated sea lanes (like using a road).
Every port in the Middle East will have an Iranian agent who will know when a vessel with any connection to Israel will either arrive and depart.
Its not too difficult to then program a drone to fly along the likely route of the ship.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 24 Dec 2023 17:31

Manish_P wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 06:55
And barrels for the guns

That's a valid point, Currently NATO's entire barrel refurbishing capacity is unable to deal with the demands of Ukraine (which is seeing increasing number of inaccurate shells or burst barrels). Israel has always looked to fight short wars and hasn't anticipated guns firing this many shells. For Russia a 2 year war is a quickie. Their shell production in 2023 was 3 times the 2021 figure.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Dec 2023 00:04

Aditya_V wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 18:24 This so called Houthi/Iran Drone attacks are suspiciously attacking only Ships either going or coming from India, is there a Chinese/ Pakistani angle to this?

IN assessed the damage on tanker ship M Chem Pluto.

Says drone strke. We need to track these in a separate thread.

Must be a big warhead to cause such damage and a heavy UAV for that range to hit 300 nm from Indian coast.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 26 Dec 2023 10:58

Meanwhile one more military advisor of Iran is toast.
Israeli Airstrike Kills Iran's Senior Military Commander: Tehran | Who Was IRGC's Sayyed Mousavi?

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 28 Dec 2023 14:20

Hamas tunnels in Gaza

A look inside the largest Hamas tunnel ever discovered by the Israeli military

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Dec 2023 09:50

South Africa files genocide case against Israel at World Court

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Dec 2023 18:49

ramana wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023 00:04
Aditya_V wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 18:24 This so called Houthi/Iran Drone attacks are suspiciously attacking only Ships either going or coming from India, is there a Chinese/ Pakistani angle to this?
IN assessed the damage on tanker ship M Chem Pluto.

Says drone strke. We need to track these in a separate thread.

Must be a big warhead to cause such damage and a heavy UAV for that range to hit 300 nm from Indian coast.

(Images: ANI)

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2023-12-25

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 30 Dec 2023 19:36

NRao wrote: ↑30 Dec 2023 09:50 South Africa files genocide case against Israel at World Court

probably the years of apartheid rankles still ...

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 30 Dec 2023 19:44

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 01 Jan 2024 18:33

Object lesson here to respond with overwhelming force, suspending the rules of war. The USA looks compromised possibly due to election mechanics.

Why Hamas Won’t Release Hostages

As pressure builds on Israel, the terror group now thinks it can win.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 20 Jan 2024 16:42

Warning: This site contains truly horrific images

Oct. 7 2023
HAMAS MASSACRE:
Documentation of Crimes Against Humanity
On the morning of October 7, 2023, Hamas invaded Israel from Gaza in a massive surprise terrorist attack against civilians by air, land and sea.

https://saturday-october-seven.com/#gallery-items

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 20 Jan 2024 18:19

Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... er-attacks

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 23 Jan 2024 12:31

Just saying.

IMEC is alive and kicking. Has been for a few months.

Israel plans to transport goods from India via UAE to bypass Houthi attacks

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Israel said, Monday, that it plans to transport goods from India through the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to bypass Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, Anadolu Agency reports.

“We have established professional teams to enable the overland transportation of goods from Abu Dhabi to Israel,” Transport Minister, Miri Regev, said on X.

“The overland transportation of the goods will shorten the time by 12 days and greatly reduce the existing waiting time due to the Houthi problem,” she added. “We will do it and we will succeed.”

There was no comment from Emirati authorities on the Israeli minister’s statements.

Tensions have escalated in the Red Sea amid Houthi attacks on commercial ships suspected of having links with Israel.

The Houthis say their attacks aim to pressure Israel to halt its deadly onslaught on the Gaza Strip, which has killed more than 25,295 people since a 7 October cross-border offensive by the Palestinian group, Hamas.

The US and UK launched airstrikes against Houthi targets in Yemen in recent days in retaliation for the attacks, which have created fears of a new bout of inflation and supply chain disruption.

The Red Sea is one of the world’s most frequently used sea routes for oil and fuel shipments. It is used to transit between Egypt’s Suez Canal and the Gulf of Aden, allowing ships to avoid the much costlier and longer route across the southern coast of Africa.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Jan 2024 12:49

There have be reports of shipments through UAE, Saudi, and Jordan to Israel in the past as well.