Understanding the US - Again

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 13 Jan 2024 04:44

That guy seems to be correct. NeoCons wield influence over both parties, and are conniving to dump Biden and ride the anti-Biden backlash into the Whitehouse, using Nikki Haley as their preferred war-horse candidate. She will be their new pliable puppet in the Oval Office, starting new wars for them on their demand.

Libertarian icon Senator Rand Paul is also coming out against Nikki Haley.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 13 Jan 2024 06:12

US suddenly doing a major U-turn and buying oil from Russia -- what's going on here?

US election considerations?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 13 Jan 2024 22:36

Nikki Haley is the new stooge - the new favourite sepoy of the war lobby

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 14 Jan 2024 10:59

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 14 Jan 2024 14:10

Trump has come out attacking Vivek. Nobody likes him anymore.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 14 Jan 2024 21:25

hgupta wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024 14:10 Trump has come out attacking Vivek. Nobody likes him anymore.

Trump is just worried that Vivek will split the vote.
I think that Vivek has to stay in past Iowa and continue attacking establishment candidate Nikki Haley, just in case the establishment dare to outright block Trump from being on the ballot by using legal tricks.
Otherwise, if Vivek agrees to fold in early into Trump's campaign, then they have to keep open the option that he will once again re-start his candidacy in the event Trump gets blocked from the ballot through legal trickery.

bala · Post by **bala** » 14 Jan 2024 22:18

Dr. Ankit Shah joins Sanjay Dixit and they delve into his predictions on Indian and US elections, offering unique perspectives on India's evolving role in the global order. Ankit Shah also explores the intriguing topic of de-dollarization, providing valuable insights into its potential impact on the world stage.

Dr. Ankit Shah offers some unique perspective on US Elections - Dems vs Republicans. Vivek R is mentioned and the uphill battle he faces with white/evangelical ethos of US. There is an observation of the California wokes relocating into Texas and ruining the values of Texas, including family values and republican ethos of Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPqac2XZI7k

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 14 Jan 2024 23:42

Ankita Shah makes some good points, but he misses a lot too. Ultimately having psephologists on the ground going across voting districts is the only way to gauge things correctly.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 15 Jan 2024 04:36

hgupta wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024 14:10 Trump has come out attacking Vivek. Nobody likes him anymore.

Here - watch this to get a better perspective:

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 15 Jan 2024 04:46

How is all this related to India and US? Shouldn't all this following the political party of my choice be moved to free for all forum (tech/misc forum) or to republican-rakshaks.com or TruthSocial?

Where are the BRadmins?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Jan 2024 04:58

You can post an alternate point of view. A US presidential candidate of Indian ethnic origin is definitely relevant for Indo US ties at a certain level.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 15 Jan 2024 05:17

Alternate point will get into a food fight pretty fast man! I don't think discussing primaries has any value.

VR isn't going to make it.
Nikki is hardly Indian, she didn't even invite her parents (turban and all) to the stage when she won. I was in SC then. The Indian community didn't like her very much. That dumb chick defended holding on to the confederate flag! Couldn't believe it. SC is very backwards. Go to a bar at night even in the capital with colored friends and you are going to get stared at all night.

Dictator trump will scam his followers to help pay his legal bills. If he wins, democracy ends in US. It will be the end of institutions that allowed it to progress.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Jan 2024 22:14

VR is done
Nikki is empty head mostly propped up by media, Democrats and some Independents

Trump will scam his followers (he has done that before)

Democracy ends once he is elected is nonsensical idiocy ...

https://twitter.com/FreeSpeechIre/statu ... 6032846910

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This is what is ending Democracy
https://freespeechireland.ie/TakeAction/

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 16 Jan 2024 03:32

vijayk wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024 22:14 VR is done
Nikki is empty head mostly propped up by media, Democrats and some Independents

Trump will scam his followers (he has done that before)

Democracy ends once he is elected is nonsensical idiocy ...

Good we agree on most.
Without institutions you do not have democracy
Without fair applications of laws, we won't have flourishing markets
US turns into a third world Afrikaan dictatorship.
So we can all stand in attention when he stands if he can
He loves how Xi and KimJonGuuunnn terrorize their own citizenry.

What is "nonsensical idiocy" only time will tell.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Jan 2024 04:20

vijayk wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024 22:14 VR is done
Nikki is empty head mostly propped up by media, Democrats and some Independents

And yet Nikki is running for Republican nominee, not Democrat
In which case, any support for her emanating from traditional "liberal" outlets is merely a sign that "liberal" and "conservative" are artificial snakeskins which power-brokers don at will.

The same establishment that propped up figurehead Biden are now moving to install Nikki Haley in the whitehouse.

Meanwhile, here's my India-relevant comment: why is it that US can arrest Indian official Nikhil Gupta over attempted murder of Pannu, but meanwhile actual murder of US citizen Gonzalo Lira by Ukrainian officials is completely ignored? Where is the consistency?

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 16 Jan 2024 04:41

sanman wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 04:20
The same establishment that propped up figurehead Biden are now moving to install Nikki Haley in the whitehouse.

Good lord! Too much conspiracy in that statement brother!

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 16 Jan 2024 04:45

New York's Voter Suppression

Technical detail about how local officials "shape" elections in the USA. Some of these practices are from the stone age, designed to trip up anyone wanting to vote for the best candidate instead of a political party.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Jan 2024 05:10

Cybaru wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 04:41 Good lord! Too much conspiracy in that statement brother!

It's the ugly reality. Look at how NeoCon Victoria Nuland served in senior policy roles in both Democrat and Republican administrations. She served under Clinton whitehouse, then Bush whitehouse, then Obama whitehouse. The only one she didn't really serve under was Trump's admin, and we can see how hard the Deep State pushed against the Trump admin, and how false conspiracy theories like Russia collusion were supported against Trump & Co.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 16 Jan 2024 09:36

sanman wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 05:10
Cybaru wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 04:41 Good lord! Too much conspiracy in that statement brother!
It's the ugly reality. Look at how NeoCon Victoria Nuland served in senior policy roles in both Democrat and Republican administrations. She served under Clinton whitehouse, then Bush whitehouse, then Obama whitehouse. The only one she didn't really serve under was Trump's admin, and we can see how hard the Deep State pushed against the Trump admin, and how false conspiracy theories like Russia collusion were supported against Trump & Co.

That's okay if you want to believe that and you could very well be right. IMO, it is very unlikely though. How many folks in the beltway want to fly to Pakistan and know how to deal with the establishment there? You end up with a niche set of folks who continue to fly that segment to deliver the news to the local dictator of the month. I think you are connecting too many surface level dots and reading more into it than there maybe. Knew a person that managed the Sudan/South Sudan sector. They know the players and are sent in no matter which company is dealing with the local folks. Local expertise matters.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Jan 2024 10:05

Cybaru wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 09:36 That's okay if you want to believe that and you could very well be right. IMO, it is very unlikely though. How many folks in the beltway want to fly to Pakistan and know how to deal with the establishment there? You end up with a niche set of folks who continue to fly that segment to deliver the news to the local dictator of the month. I think you are connecting too many surface level dots and reading more into it than there maybe. Knew a person that managed the Sudan/South Sudan sector. They know the players and are sent in no matter which company is dealing with the local folks. Local expertise matters.

Nuland was there orchestrating the illegal invasion of Iraq for the Bush-Cheney whitehouse, she was there meddling in the Maidan square in 2014 to oust the Yanuckovitch govt and install fascists into power during Obama's term. She's now orchestrated the war on Russia through Ukraine.

Nuland's husband Robert Kagan was a prominent NeoCon who loudly called for the US to use its military muscle to remodel the world around itself.

These NeoCons are now backing Nikki Haley to make her their war puppet in the whitehouse.

Anyway, Vivek Ramaswamy has conceded, and has now endorsed Donald Trump for President of the United States.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 16 Jan 2024 11:02

Here, for your amusement, is the caustic commentary from hard-lefty Cenk Uighur

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Jan 2024 12:11

If Trump doesn't make Vivek his VP nominee, there are a significant number of right leaning independents who will not vote for Trump. I would put them between 0.7-0.8% of independents. That may sound insignificant, but in 2020 by the electoral college Trump lost by 10,000 votes in AZ, 12,000 in GA, 21,000 in WI.

Only a Dharmic can save America.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 16 Jan 2024 13:04

only 51% of mega maga brigade voted for Drumpf in Iowa
That's a huge problem for him.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 16 Jan 2024 20:22

Cybaru wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 04:41
sanman wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 04:20
The same establishment that propped up figurehead Biden are now moving to install Nikki Haley in the whitehouse.

Good lord! Too much conspiracy in that statement brother!

No conspiracy there.

Most of Nikki Haley is being propped up by Democrat fund raisers

Her campaign manager admits it
https://twitter.com/Jules31415/status/1 ... 4145271042

Since 2012, Democrats have become party of wars, regime changes, MIC b1tches. No question on that. Republicans used to be that but now Obama/Clinton party has become.

Nikki fully represents the war lobby from Republican side. She is being propped up so that even if Biden runs, she will represent Republicans. They win either way. She has ZERO chance of becoming President.

All Nikki's leads are from Democratic counties in Iowa. They won't vote for her

bala · Post by **bala** » 16 Jan 2024 20:34

The epithet of Drumpf is to tar Trump with his germanic background. Donald John Trump is german on his father's side and scottish on his mother's side. The term Anglo-Saxon connotes the English across the pond. The words Anglo-Angel (e.g. Angela Merkel) and Saxon are districts in Germany. One half of the English are kissing cousins of the germans, their current royalty is germanic too. In the south of India the Britshits were termed Aangla-karan meaning people of Angel, they did not call them Engel/Ingle but Aangel. So Bidenwa is also german by implication of him being English. There is a survey in US that claims that germanic origin people are more successful, educated and well off than the rest in the US.

Aldonkar · Post by **Aldonkar** » 16 Jan 2024 21:27

bala wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024 20:34 The epithet of Drumpf is to tar Trump with his germanic background. Donald John Trump is german on his father's side and scottish on his mother's side. The term Anglo-Saxon connotes the English across the pond. The words Anglo-Angel (e.g. Angela Merkel) and Saxon are districts in Germany. One half of the English are kissing cousins of the germans, their current royalty is germanic too. In the south of India the Britshits were termed Aangla-karan meaning people of Angel, they did not call them Engel/Ingle but Aangel. So Bidenwa is also german by implication of him being English. There is a survey in US that claims that germanic origin people are more successful, educated and well off than the rest in the US.

Trump's grandfather was a German immigrant called Drumph. He anglicised the name to Trump and made some money in Alaska during the gold rush (I believe that he was a shopkeeper) before settling in New York state. His grandson, Donald Trumph, initially claimed Swedish roots, until he began to gain political ambitions when the truth came out. Incidentally, the current Trump has a British mother, an immigrant to the US from one of the Scottish Islands.

The English people have descent from a number of Germanic tribes including Saxons , Jutes and Angles. Today the eastern portion of England is called East Anglia; West Anglia is the Midlands (also called Mercia). Today's English has only a tiny resemblence to German having accumulated changes from the native Celts, Germans, Romans and French (Normans) and loads of other influences including Hindi (eg. pyjamas, bungalow and my favourite doolali).

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 17 Jan 2024 07:53

US political establishment / Deep State want Trump to make Nikki Haley his VP.

NeoCon Nikki is seen as a reliable war-hawk to help prosecute whichever wars the establishment / Deep State need and want.

Trump may be inclined to appease the establishment / Deep State in order to reduce frictions with them.
This is in spite of Rand Paul and other libertarian conservatives publicly opposing Nikki.

Will America's Men in Khaki call the shots?

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 17 Jan 2024 09:19

sanman wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024 07:53 US political establishment / Deep State want Trump to make Nikki Haley his VP.

Sorry I am new to this deep state thingy. Only seen this on Fox News (Which really isn't a news site). How do you define it? Who runs it? And and how do you know what Deep State wants?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Jan 2024 09:40

Cybaru wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024 09:19
sanman wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024 07:53 US political establishment / Deep State want Trump to make Nikki Haley his VP.

Sorry I am new to this deep state thingy. Only seen this on Fox News (Which really isn't a news site). How do you define it? Who runs it? And and how do you know what Deep State wants?

Cyrano, I know that you were not born yesterday, so why are you acting like you were born yesterday.

The US deep state consists of the military industrial, foreign policy, educational, elites. The media is it's public relations arm. It's interests are not necessarily aligned with the majority of the US population. Or even for that matter those of the USA. Or else it would not have acted as stupidly as it has over the last nearly 30 years.

The elites of both parties think that by submitting to this, they will be allowed to alternate in power.

Donald Trump showed in 2016, that it was possible to win without the endorsement of the deep state. Since then they have been trying to destroy him.

bala · Post by **bala** » 17 Jan 2024 10:48

After Vivek R exited the race for President, Trump introduces Vivek R at campaign event in New Hampshire..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6FbSbr5lJI

// seems like the opening that Vivek R was looking forward to after endorsing Trump.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jan 2024 11:34

bala wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024 10:48 After Vivek R exited the race for President, Trump introduces Vivek R at campaign event in New Hampshire..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6FbSbr5lJI

// seems like the opening that Vivek R was looking forward to after endorsing Trump.

bala saar,

The crowd chanted "VP.....VP.......VP" when VR was introduced by trump

https://www.news18.com/world/watch-crow ... 43159.html

“Last night I was truly honoured to welcome the endorsement of the man who has become a true leader and earned the admiration of so many patriots. I have been his friend even though we were competing against each other,” the 77-year-old said at the rally as he welcomed the Indian American on stage.

Addressing Trump supporters, Ramaswamy said that the United States is “in the middle of a war”. “It’s not a war between black and white. It’s not between Democrats and Republicans, even in a deeper sense. It’s between the permanent state and the everyday citizen, between those of us who love the United States of America and a fringe minority who hates this country and what we stand for,” he added.

The 38-year-old political novice said he called the former president earlier Monday evening to congratulate him on his victory in Iowa. Ramaswamy told supporters gathered at a Des Moines hotel that Trump “will have my full endorsement for the presidency.” “And I think we’re going to do the right thing for this country. And so I’m going to ask you to follow me in taking our America First movement to the next level,” he added. Trump, in his victory speech earlier, said Ramaswamy “did a helluva job” in the campaign.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Jan 2024 15:32

I don't think Vivek will be VP candidate. I really doubt it

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 17 Jan 2024 23:45

The last Trumps VP almost got executed by his incited mob! It's a tough job, do all illegal things your boss says or the mob is gonna get ya! Who would want to be his VeePee.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 18 Jan 2024 01:07

Pratyush wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024 09:40
Cybaru wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024 09:19

Sorry I am new to this deep state thingy. Only seen this on Fox News (Which really isn't a news site). How do you define it? Who runs it? And and how do you know what Deep State wants?
Cyrano, I know that you were not born yesterday, so why are you acting like you were born yesterday.

The US deep state consists of the military industrial, foreign policy, educational, elites. The media is it's public relations arm. It's interests are not necessarily aligned with the majority of the US population. Or even for that matter those of the USA. Or else it would not have acted as stupidly as it has over the last nearly 30 years.

The elites of both parties think that by submitting to this, they will be allowed to alternate in power.

Donald Trump showed in 2016, that it was possible to win without the endorsement of the deep state. Since then they have been trying to destroy him.

If we can't define it, name the people in this deep state set, and everything we don't understand gets attributed to it, then it's not really real IMO. Maybe I am naive.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 18 Jan 2024 01:22

https://x.com/mkraju/status/1747694536497774641?s=20

Just asked Mitt Romney about Iowa caucus entrance polls showing that a majority of GOP caucusgoers didn't believe that Joe Biden was elected legitimately.

"I think a lot of people in this country are out of touch with reality and will accept anything Donald Trump tells them. You had a jury that said that Donald Trump raped a woman. And that doesn't seem to be moving the needle. There's a lot of things about today's electorate that I have a hard time understanding."

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Jan 2024 02:33

Democracy is dying right now at the hands of current admin too.

They stopped enforcing borders and illegal immigration. They started destroying criminal justice system by not prosecuting crime based on identity. They literally undermine the law enforcement. They are colluding with Tech companies to destroy FoE illegally. These are all destroying institutions.

They are enabling people like Trump as a measure of protest. Trump does not have moral, ethical and honesty standards to lead this country. But 75M people who voted for him mainly due to what they perceive as arrogance of power by the elites.

After WMD wars by Bush, they started new wars in Syria, Libya, funded many Islamist rebel units which eventually became part of ISIS, manufactured a war in Ukraine and now stuck with Israel/Hamas and several battles in Yemen, Iran and Syria. They have only doubled down on wars, regime change efforts, staring Islamist fires across all over the world including India, Bangladesh, and identity hate mongering to encourage divisions in the society using DEI.

I despise Jamie Damon but listen to what he says .
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 4523878541

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 18 Jan 2024 02:39

Cybaru wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024 01:07 everything we don't understand gets attributed to it, then it's not really real IMO. Maybe I am naive.

No you are not. Deep State has become a "crutch" of sorts for some people on this forum.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 18 Jan 2024 02:43

vijayk wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024 02:33 Democracy is dying right now at the hands of current admin too.

They stopped enforcing borders and illegal immigration.

https://www.newsweek.com/republican-bra ... al-1854820

Talking on Fox News's The Ingraham Angle on Thursday about a border security deal reportedly in the works between Senate Democrats and Republicans, Johnson, who's part of the Homeland Security Committee, said he's been "pretty well leading the efforts to slow this process down."

Republicans scuttling the border bills to ensure they can talk border border border for elections.. Yaaawn.. Scallywags..

Here is the Right wing christian pro life party letting people drown. Haven't forgotten that the folks who stole land from natives are separating babies on the border from their parents. This has been done before all through 16th-18th century with the natives.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-migrants ... r-agents/

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Jan 2024 04:30

Fair enough. All parties do politics near elections. Democrats and Republicans will both have their narrative to the the public. People will judge. Hopefully BLM won't start rioting again if Trump wins. He will be out after 4 years anyway.

Most of the divisive issues such as abortion, guns, immigration, DEI, gender surgeries, drug policies all can be reasonably solved if both parties sit down to negotiate but extremists on both sides don't want the solution.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 18 Jan 2024 04:36

https://archive.is/E5sDW

Why We Can’t Just Shrug Off the Fani Willis Scandal
LOOKS REALLY BAD

If the DA prosecuting Trump prolonged an investigation to justify a hefty salary for a romantic partner, that is a genuine conflict of interest that would require her dismissal.

You say anything against her. They pull a Race card. How can a system work like this.